Glascow Prince

Sir in Racing manipulation can not  be avoided and you have to take it as a part ofthe Game. First take Jackpot pool. They have to bring one or two unexpected horses to filter the tickets. Even today many peopleare not aware of it.

To be successful in any field you must havea passion and program your mind for winning. There is no alternative way or substitute.  To program your mind you need little bit spiritual strength and support. One can obtain all these by taking professional guidance from a well trained Psychologist. I am told by a professional psychologist that addiction can be removed by by a well trained Hypnotist. Merely listening to the losers one can not avoid addiction. On the contrary it will increase . For example any forbidden thing will attract more people.  When I took guidance from a professional Psychologist he suggested to continue Racing but with different attitudeand learn to program our mind in positive direction. I am successful to some extent.  Healsosuggested to read a few books to condition our subconscious mind and program it positively. Our punters may not beleive or listen to it and they will never go for professional guidance. 

Regards

Ayyarnet

There is a general feeling among veteran race goers that races used to be fair in the old days and manipulations were on a much smaller scale. Once I had made a statement in this forum that my personal guestimate was that the percentage of winning favourites was no better in the old days as well. ITR had made some quick and limited references to old records and had found evidence to support this observation. (ITR to qualify if necessary). In retrospect, I can see a number of rides of top notch jockeys even in those old days that were dubious even to the naked eye. In those days, the facilities of CCTV displays or video replays were non-existent which became available later gradually and progressively. It is possible that the feeling arose out of the non-visibility of the ‘tactics’ employed by the perpetrators in the absence of these facilities. However, there is no doubt that the advent of sponsorship changed the character of racing in India.

Ayyarnet,

I totally agree with you that if one has any qualms of conscience about racing or anything else in life for that matter, he is better off not doing it. He will have a guilty feeling that will make him go about it regretfully and half-heartedly and he will not be able to give off his best.

For all serious race goers who cannot resist the temptation of playing more than the selected bets for the day, I have a suggestion. Many times a race goer feels like backing a horse because he somehow ‘smells’ it or he feels like backing just for the heck of it or he wants to buy a jackpot ticket or something similar. Let’s call this thrill betting. He should set aside 10 % of his serious capital as 'thrill capital'. If his serious capital for the selected bets is say 10000, then he should set aside 1000 as thrill capital. Under no circumstances should he exceed this thrill capital beyond 10 %. This will help him balance both - his serious betting and his thrill betting.

Coming to the strategy of following a jockey or a stable, let us take a look at some statistics. The strike rate (for win) of a top jockey normally varies between 25 to 30 %. Sometimes it can be higher than 30 while sometimes it can be below 25. If we assume an average of say 28%, the average winning odds required (considering 10 % tax) to break even will work out to 3. If this is possible consistently, then one will break even. Any odds (on an average) less than 3 per winning bet will land the punter in red. Generally, the strike rate of a top stable will be even lower than 28% although there will be exceptions. The consensus here seems to be that a 40 % strike rate will allow a person to at least break even if not make a profit. In this case, the average odds required per winning bet work out to 1.75 which looks realistic.

On PDS words through paddock studying/there is a lot of info hiding in this activity.

I want to share my experience in this regard it may helpful for few persons.

While parading the horses so many people gathering surroundings of paddock for watching the horses, after the horses left from the paddock the actual story starts suppose in a race 8/10 runners out of that 4/5 runners are main contender's I am taking A,B,C,D instead of horse nos, after horses left from the paddock Trainers & Owners comes to their launge in between they comes to conclusion for betting, A horse owner says to his followers my horse is going to win go & play Trainer informed me. B horse zammedar will say his followers our horse is going to win it is fully fit go & play. C horse asst. Trainer says says to his followers we are going all out go & play. D horse syces says to their followers our horse is going to canter go & play here the actual process starts from the launge the respective followers moves fast towards bookie ring & play bets so many common people like sheep's they  follow these connective persons & play blindly. For every race most of the people are wait for this connective persons & follows them. Some times may success, most of the times they fail, in bookies ring for every race 4/5 horses are been betting for win and nearly 6/7 horses are been betting for places these are all from info based strategy.

Some times rank outsider wins owners & trainers also in shock if owner asks trainer he says I am also surprised (ghoda suddenly raise hogaya muje bi pata ni ) in racing industry so many small owners are Scape goats they will not get proper info from trainer itself, most of small owners on road unable to pay BTF for horses. 

Now a days the big owners are become a SYNDICATE and ruling the industry if they wants to do, whatever they can do. These are all my experience only may some people differ also I am not writing in full details regarding trainers & owners.

What about the Horses taken directly to the Starting Gate. Can we hitchhike in the starters Car?

@ PDS,

I regret if  my reply  has hurt  your  feelings, because  I consider  you  as  one  of  the  very few  level-headed persons  on  this  forum. Few  of  them  exist  only for  sarcastic  remarks without  contributing  anything  during  last  5 or 6  years...

I will  be posting my  selections on  this  forum  or  my  blog in  future  too. But my  point  was  and  still  is  that  40% success  rate  is  difficult  but  not  impossible  to  achieve in  Indian  racing arena  thesedays,  though in  70's  and  even upto  90's it  was  possible  to  achieve 60  to  70% success in  punting.Due  to  erosion in 'value' of rupee  the prize  money  has  lost  its  importance forcing  the  aveage  owner to  remain  in  the  game  by  using  devious  means. An average  horse with  racing  life  of  4  to  5  years - the  average  cost  per  year comes  to  about  Rs.  6  to  7 lakhs which  can not be  neutralised by  winning  one  or  2  races unless  they  are  million  type....

@ ayyarnet,

You  are  right in  ignoring the fence  sitters  and  negativity  spreaders who  take  pride and eulogize their  failures again  and  again....

@ PDS,

Paddock  study is  certainly a  very  important factor in  decision  making but  it  is  not  quantifiable. I've  read  perhaps  more  than  50  articles  on  paddock  handcapping  by  an  American  writer, several  years ago  but the  same  problem  arose  then  also. To select  one  from  2 or  3  close  contestents  it  could  be  a  deciding  factor no  doubt  but  used  alone  can  it  give a probable  winner?

To all my friends: I have read almost every one connected with these columns and have decided that this is now the time that I must bring out some things which I strongly feel after a serious study of Horse Racing and wagering for 55 years that are the most important factors to complete your study of a Race. It is before playing your Horse, the thorough Paddock study. You must try and study each and every Horse in the on going Race from the time it has come to the Paddock upto its reaching the starting gates. There is a lot of info hiding in this activity/ period, but it is almost impossible to be able to read 100 percent of all this hidden info and that is a very serious problem, because some times you are likely to interpret wrongly and some times you can not see every thing and every runner, you also have to learn the art of Paddock study which is not  easy at all especially when the time available to complete this vital difficlt study is too short. All said and done it is the most essential part of the study of a Race. Try you must, it will be very useful. God luck

Glascow Prince

Sir is there any obligation that we must bet all the races? Why not follow a few stable whose horses wins frequently ? This is the main reason  why Punters lose their money always. If you follow a particular stable or Jockey even if you lose also no problem you can recover your due soon since there will be winner from the stable soon.

Playing is one thing and making money is another thing. You got to be a Businessman like investors in Stock Exchange. 

Simply playing and going home will only produce loss. On the contrary you MUST program you mind for Winning. Many people go to Races with opinion Races are very bad it will ruin your life this and that.  If you feel so why the hell you go to races. These sort of people neither they will make money nor will allow others to make money by spreading egative feelings.

My point is  i either you like or do not like.  If you do not like please please be kind enough to leave it once for all never look at the Race Club again. Sitting over the fence you like races and at the same time pretend to be a good person and advicing others Races are bad dont go to races etc.,  This only gives unbearable irritation. You have to learn in any trade. No other substitute sir. You have to put your whole heart in the job. If you like a horse you have to visualise the actual race in your mind that your horse is running nicely and warding away others and wns the race.  This is out of my my experience. You must watch the Race also how a particular Horse is placed in the Race and you have to make a note of it and if you apply these observation you will be successful in due course f time. ese things can never be taught and you must have a passion for any thing you pursue in your life whether good or bad.

Best Regards

ayyarnet

PDS

When you deal with Chanakya you will be flowered with un wanted self praise details

Please ope with him ,for Gods sake.

Taking the first three favourites from the bookies' odds and selecting the winner sounds relatively easy but the same writer also knows how difficult it is in actual practice. That is why he also says Cole with tons of experience can manage only 40 % success and that you should be happy if your horse places in the first three for a dividend.

As for B V S  Prasad's post, I feel he has been consistent in what he has said. He does not change his selection depending on the odds but does not bet if his selected horse is odds on. That is his betting strategy. It is not a part of his selection system. As far as the games or contests on HT are concerned, I don't know how many people play the same horse in actual practice that they had selected in the contest. Participants may have different approaches to the contest depending upon what they seek to achieve or gain from it.

@ Chanakya,

I had only written that you are wecome to accept the challenge of nominating over all 40 percent winners. In case it is not acceptable by you fine, why come out with so many details and that also to say your result was 33 percent for a season. Any way, I dont think there is any need of picking up arguments. I would like to wish you all the best. Take care and God bless you.

 @Maj. S. Nargolkar (Retd.) My post 21/4 has three sentences first one was  a request to HT readers to read your article as I thought is useful for interested for calculation.

The second one 100% strike rate was referring to lead post nothing to do with your Ten pointer.

Third was my opinion about strike rate which can give positive ROI.

I know you have problem with your eye sight but have to respond to your post for clearing the air.

with regards

Admin, I am posting again as the previous post is somewhat distorted.

Major S. Nargolkar (Retd.),

Thanks for the clarification. The error is regretted. My post of 21.4.20 / 9.49 pm should read as 

“According to the author, the Ten Pointer System would give about 90 % (if the Major remembers correctly) strike rate.........."

Ksmrow,

True. Selections system and betting strategy are two separate things. If I had added the word 'also' after ‘but’ i.e. ”not only by way of fine tuning his selection system but also in terms of optimizing his betting strategy" perhaps there would have been no reason for the ambiguity. 

It is not my intention to challenge anybody here nor am I trying to prove anything. I am just trying to steer the dialogue ahead logically to probe further possibilities. Hence this question to elicit your views. If a serious race goer, after taking all the important factors including paddock looks into consideration, can realistically achieve a strike rate of 40 %, in your view what are the factors that contribute to his failure 60 % of the time? In fact, the views of all serious race goers are welcome. In my lead post, I had raised this question at the end. What are the uncertainties that account for our methods falling short? Are there any issues or factors apart from intent and interference?

@ Sun

        The book on TEN POINTER system remained in my possession for exactly three days. It was then borrowed and never returned. What I remember about the book, I have already mentioned in the article (Taraporevalas, hard bound, statistical data, graphs, author being a lwayer and having "V" and ",,,,raj" in his name). I did make a few notes and did use the system during Poona season of 1970 and that is how I remember the basic concepts and tthe ten parameters. 

      I am afraid I do not remember anything else but if something does occur to mind in fuuture, I will let you know.

@ Kolramsri

      Please accept my sincere apologies. I should have been referring to @ ksmrow's post of  21-04-2020. Because of the cataract, I am unable to read HORSETALK and my young nephew and niece help me out by reading the posts. It is a fact but not an excuse. I should have been more careful in remembering correectly. My apologies once again..  

Major S. Nargolkar (Retd.),

Thanks for the clarification. The error is regretted. My post of 21.4.20 / 9.49 pm should read as 

“According to the author, the Ten Pointer System would give about 90 % (if the Major remembers correctly) strike rate.........."

Ksmrow,

True. Selections system and betting strategy are two separate things. If I had added the word 'also' after ‘but’ i.e. ”not only by way of fine tuning his selection system but also in terms of optimizing his betting strategy" perhaps there would have been no reason for the ambiguity. 

It is not my intention to challenge anybody here nor am I trying to prove anything. I am just trying to steer the dialogue ahead logically to probe further possibilities. Hence this question to elicit your views. If a serious race goer, after taking all the important factors including paddock looks into consideration, can realistically achieve a strike rate of 40 %, in your view what are the factors that contribute to his failure 60 % of the time? In fact, the views of all serious race goers are welcome. In my lead post, I had raised this question at the end. What are the uncertainties that account for our methods falling short? Are there any issues or factors apart from intent and interference?

Points to ponder.When a System loses its exclusivity it stops working.Is it because the System is imperfect OR the application by many people the System undergoes mutuation and stops working.

My opinion a Simple System like Beyer's Speed Ratings OR Ten Pointer fails because of the uncertainities of Racing and/or the fact that Horses like people have moods good or bad.

@ksmrow,

You have let the cat out of the bag and hence the rejoinder.When someone says his system is working let us leave it that.If the choice is changed after the Odds,according to me, is not a System.As HP++ mentioned it is just enough to wait for the Odds of Bookies and make choice from among the 3 horses..Having a system helps to bet on a Odds On Horse or 20/1 Horse with the same confidence.

For Major Saab  Is the title of the book Ten Pointer OR some thing else.A book which I also bought from Taraporewala has a preface to the book wherein it quotes "The author is a renowned professional(the field I don't remember) and betting on horse is not for his livelyhood but has developed system" some thing like that,I wonder if you can recall Thanks.

Friends. Just away from Corona for a moment.

In the late 1960s, no one's potential matched that of Alexander Macfarlane Barclay's who had future champion Jockeywritten all over him. Sandy Barclay who rode CHARON to victory in the 1984 edition of Indian Turf Invitation at  Bombay., has an Indian connection, which is still with him.

He first rode in public April 3 1965at AYR Horse name INDIAN STYLE.

Barclay married Miranda. She gave him three children- Iona, Alexander, and INDIA.

@ PDS,

You  have  either  misunderstood  mypost  or  misinterpreting it.What  I said  that  40%  is  difficult but  not  impossible. Moreover  with  only 2 or  3  selections even  if  the  strike  rate  is  40% or  close  to  it  the  return  will  be  meagre and  not  worth the  efforts...

Challenge  is  normally  given  after  proving  oneself, i.e.,  I've  done  this - 'you'  try  to  improve on  this is a  challenge. If  done  that  way  I'll  accept the  challenge. In  the  past  many  self  proclaimed  failures  have thrown  challenges which  I  refused. I hope  you  understand  my  point . 

However  to  enlighten  you I  must  share  my  current  season-(2018/2019) Mumbai performance from  29/12/19 to  12/3/20. The  selections  were  posted  on  this  forum while  12/4/20 selections  werev posted  on  my  blog. 

12  race  days, betting  on  all  races my averages  vary  from  a  low  of  22% to  a  high  of  56%; while  4 of  them  were more than  40%, 7 were below and  ne  was  washout (0%) giving  an overall average  of  33%....

Attention. Maj. S. Nargolkar (Retd)

I could not make out "I do not from where @ Kolramsri got his 100% and 90% was what the Author reckoned not what I attested.

I am totally confused. To the best of my knowledge here or earlier  I have not commented anything on your posts.

Major. please clarify.

dear ksmrow

Whatever you have given data about me absolutely correct, but what I written in my post you might not noticed clearly about MDBP selections I have given my selections one day before race & few days  2 hrs before the race time at that time I don't know odds & not even knows the favourite in some cases I have given fluke hrs as a selection by the race time they became favourites, in MDBP i have given different different horses majority persons gave a common horses that is their interest, but my aim is to play 2/3 bets a day that too not to play odds on, I have clearly mentioned in. my post & always gives advise to my friends also, the encouraging & discouraging doesn't matter for me I will follow my own method in that I am satisfied very much need not wants appreciation of anybody. Just given my ideas whether to follow or not to follow that is upto you people, you can't judge by anybody's ability from competitions like PTR or MDBP. The odds will come 20mts before every race from there you choose your choice is in good odds or odds on there you can decide to play or not.

Anyway thanks bro I never felt anything abt your details.

Why go for any pointer system Just study the 1^st 3 favourites..

That’s as easy as it gets

@ Glasgow Prince

     In one of your posts, you have said, "The Ten Pointer System used to give about 90 percent (that is if Major remembers correctly) strike rate as long as 50 years back ....."

     You have quoted me wrongly. What I had said was, " He (Author) reckoned that his system would give about 90 % -- if I remember correctly -- strike rate".

     I have gone on to say:-

    " Our hapzard betting meant that we did not have the means of evaluating how good the system was."

     "I have not maintained any statistics to deteermine how effective it is and I am in no way recommending it."

     "However, I felt 'thinking' punters may find something of value"

     I do not from where @ kolramsri got his "100 %" and "90 %" was what the Author recokoned not what I attested.

     Trust I have clarified. I am having problems with my eyesight so kindly overlook any typos.

Chanakya,

I am in total agreement that a system remains effective only till it is exclusive.However if one looks carefully at the Ten Pointer System (TPS), he will find that there is hardly anything exclusive about it. It consists of ten thumb rules - most of them qualitative - based on racing common sense. The system (if one can call it that) tries to tie down a bet worthy runner to such an extent that in most cases it will be a prime favourite........and we know that such a favourite apart from being quoted at cramped odds, carries an additional handicap of doubtful intent!

However, my reasons for citing the TPS and its strike rate in my previous post are two fold.

1. I have cited the TPS only to highlight the fact that a system existed even 50 years ago that was known to give a strike rate as high as 90 %. Viewed against this background, why doesn't it sound logical that another system can give similar strike rate in today's info-empowered world? That is why nowhere have I said that the same TPS can be expected to give 90 % strike rate today. I am only trying to somehow remove that untouchability that seems to be clinging to high strike rates in race goers' minds.

2. I have quoted the Major because whatever he writes is taken as sacrosanct by most Horse Talkers. Hence no one will dispute that such a system existed 50 years ago. That helps my cause.

Santosh Kumar V K, 

Got your no. Will send selections as and when racing starts.

@Chanakya, 

Its nice to hear from you, you are also welcome to accept the challenge for nominating 40 percent winners over the complete season, but as I have already mentioned you can include favourites in your choices with reasonable odds i.e excl. odds on favs. because then our friends will not be able to join the game. Please confirm and spell out conditions for the game. I hope to hear from you soon. Regards

Ten Pointers back then and today so much of information at the disposal of Punter and Why better success rate cannot be obtainted,My answer to that is Information Over Kill.

In this Forum we find discussion on How to Win at Races.In reply people enmurate a number of Factors/Points to be considered.I find that in any race consideration of so many factors leads to Divergence rather than Convergence.On Distance Suitability X horse is in the recokning while on Track Work will point to another.

My opinion is to keep system Simplest Possible relying on Quatifiable Parameters.In this connection the points mentioned in another post by Ramanujan holds the key.Data Mining and Data Analysis.

I have been working on Analysis by Ratings with Weightage for Times Clocked and I find giving some good selections.However there comes the need to make a selection out of 2 to 3 horses which is where I find the approach of Ruchi in reading the Past Performance plays an important role.

Ten Pointers as outlined by Major can be considered as Essence Or Ten Commandments of Handicapping.In fact I did come across a book on Handicapping which has similar method and it formed the basis for my research on Ratings.

Thanks

@ PDS,

There  are  normally  20  to  35 race  days  in  a  season depending  on  the  center.  A strike  rate  of  40%  is  difficult  but  not  impossible. However, with  only  2  or  3  bets  in  a day which perforce  will include  mostly  favorites; the final  result  most  probab;ly  will  be 'loss'  or  at  the  most  result  in  a  no profit  no  loss  situation. That  is why  I stress  that the  selection  process  and  betting  strategy plays  a  vital  role  in  making  money  from  races...

Glasgow Prince,

Any  system gives  good  results  till  it  remains  'exclusive'.  The  moment  its  exclusivity  is  lost  its predictability  is  either  lost  or  reduced to  make  it  non-effective. Take  for  example Andrew  Beyer. He  developed  speed  figures  and   made  money and  wrote  a  book  ' My  $ 50,000 a year  at  races". Once  his  speed  figures  were  made  available  to  public  by  DRF (Daily  Racing  Form) , they  lost value  and  today  no  punter  can  make  even $ 5000 by  using  his  figures available in  DRF.

Same  will  be  the  case  with 'Ten pointers'...

G P,

Sir Please Get to see your mail once in a while,

Regards

Dear NARENDRA PILLALA

It's depends on your confident selection either win or place .  My will be not to play odds on,  In your selection the place odds good means you can go for that only 

Prasad Garu 

2 or 3 bets only win or place, or only win

The Ten Pointer System used to give about 90 per cent (that is if the Major remembers correctly) strike rate as long as 50 years back when racing information was not easily available and maintaining records manually was a tough job. If that is so, then why should the same strike rate sound impossible in today’s world?

Santosh Kumar V K,

All the same by your logic, all that scribbling and blah blah should lead to selections!

Jokes apart, if you give me your phone no, I will send you my selections by whatsapp. 

G P,

The one who Rockks only provides us a Summary on racing to Exite,Entice and to keep the Sport Alive.

Tipping has Never Been on his Radar.

Regards

Looks like many not seen Major ten pointer in TOPSTORY  please go through,

100% strike rate is just like asking a bowler to take all ten wickets in a innings

l agree with @pds 40% strike rate more than enough to stand as winner.now a days clubs conducting mostly 7 races a day if you ignore two odds on races you are left to pick 2 winners from remaining 5races, 

GLASGOW PRINCE/PDS

Yes according to your observations I am maintaining 40% to 50% strike rate in my winner's I am so happy for that. Thanks for both of you on keen interest shown on my post.  If  i  achieved my monthly target in 3 weeks, I will not play in 4th week, just attend the races & observe keenly so that I can analyse the horses for  further.  That is my courage and strength in total control of all aspects.

B V S Prasad,

You are a good encouraging example for everybody because you are totally dependent on racing and are happy about it. It appears that you are achieving a strike rate of 50 % and earning regularly for the last 10 years. My suggestion would be that you should keep improving your method in your own way since it is working for you. I think those who have started racing in the last 10 years have a better chance of making a success ot it since they don't carry the baggage of hardened ideas and opinions.

Sureshot,

Sorry for not being able to give my selections. Come to think of it, now I remember that in the past also you had asked me to give my selections. You had even imagined that I was a bookies' man. May be you should request 'the one who rockks" for his selections. It would be interesting if you could elaborate why there can't be any exclusive formulae / strategy. Even your guru has an exclusive system.

@BVSP, ref, your comments in respect of my observation, I think you are the right person to accept my challenge of nominating 40 percent winners over a period of one full season. Please work out your own conditions and I shall accept it what ever are your conditions. My only condition is 40 percent winners from your nominated  playing bets. I think it is quite fair. I shall await your reply.

Race Lover

It's Congrats!! Typical errors.regert for error. I find your horse name ME. Is it correct?

Race days framed for any donations to the Government should be avoided. It is not only from the betting point, for future reference also. Just tear off the results of the particular day from the racebook. Do not consider it at all. Bookmakers had to give liberally. From where they will get and donate? Only from us. It goes without saying when A particular race sponsored by the Bookmakers. This race should be avoided.

Race Lover

Congested turning as owner. I wish your first horse named. ME will bring you all success.

@ Race Lover, 

I have no idea about HRC but at BTC,  small owners feel a neglected lot. 

So much so that,  some small time owners are unaware even when a gamble is going on their horses. 

This is not to say that big owners are a happy lot. The tribe of sporting owners disappeared  because of machinations of trainers and jockies. Can you ever get back owners like Gogineni ?

I remember MAM too had stabled some horses with a leading stable at BTC.One day Salute Her owned by another big owner won at odds of 10/1 , while the public had backed MAM owned favourite .MAM did not like one bit that the stable used his horse as a favourite to get good odds on their other  ( of course, superior)  horse. .Angry with the stable ,  MAM severed all connection with these stables. This matter led to lot of illwill ,cast a long shadow on the Indian racing scene , and took a lot of time to heal. 

Race Lover

Congrats for quitting as a Punter and elevated yourself as a proud owner of a Horse. I appreciate your choice that to opt for ownership rather than a Bookmaker!!

Wish you all success and please do not forget us keep us informed about the winning status of your Horse in training.

All the best to you

Ayyarnet

Cole race book with tons of experience can manage just 40% success. This shows that its not a calk walk for many here to predict winners.

Just be happy that yur horse places in the 1^st three for a dividend.

Rest ..just enjoy and leave the course

Dear Race Lover,

First of all, I wish you all the luck for your new venture and also congratulate you for starting it at the best Race Centre for any owner.Most of my friends know about it and you must be knowing it too. I am sure if you are buying a well bred live stock and have a good sincere Trainer, there are many good reasons that you will succeed. I hope and wish for you that your horse turns out to be good and sound, rest will fall in place.Good luck once again.

Well I am sure after he posts his promised tips will patrons understand his worth..

Dear prince,

I do not prefer anybody's selection.

As I have my own method/formula/selection of races to pick up winner.

I do respect/ worship /love my homework/study.

Every race day I m WINNING  money according to my investments.

I can make u sure there is no EXCLUSIVE FORMULAE /STRATEGY.

As the day start all events varies from 1 st to last race of day.

Only weapon in punters hand is carefully reading of racebook.It is all play of our eyesight while we read book

Regard.

@ Race Lover.

CONGRATULATIONS & BEST OF LUCK  FOR AS A OWNER.

Dear GLASGOW sir & PDS bro

On your both of words particularly PDS pointed that (how to know which 2/3 races to play) if you go thru entire days card and after studying your mind will smell 3/4 horses from that you can  choose 2/3 bets easily if you can't predict 2/3 horses better quit racing rather depends on others, why I am saying like this means if you select 2 strong horses & prepare to play before that if you discuss with anybody they may have other ideas abt your horses after discussing deeply with them you may loose confident on your choices & play their choice horses (mostly happend with this point I think everyone might faced this type situation in their life after they went out side blames others) it can spoil your spirit.

And one more point you asked how your losses converts into benefits. Suppose if you choose daily 2/3 horses to play take weekly average if loss on 1st day (don't play odds on it will never fetch & also risky) on 2nd day out of 2 bets 1 passed you will be levels suppose on 3rd day your 2 horses won then you will be recovered 1st day amount & be in some benefit, like this in a week suppose 5race days means you have to bet 10 bets, out of that your 5 horses win also you may be profited something but your bets should be always equal amount only, don't increase your amount on bets it will not work on this theory few bets will be available on good odds that's make you profit that's why I said first control yourself and play your choices only & don't depend on others.

Sir Glasgow and PDS if anything wrong you may advise me, according to this plan only I am playing from past 10yrs sometimes I Will not play if the card is not good like underfoot conditions, I am totally depend on racing only no other sources is there for me but I am very happy in this regard.

Sure Shot will definitely salute u if u start tipping off winnersr on race days instead of doing all this scribbling.

But then its the toighest part of the exercise..

Well give it a try and show something practical..

B V S Prasad You have given a number of important qualitative tips. I am not quite clear about your point when you say ‘if you control your losses continuously, you will automatically come to gain profits in future’. It will be interesting if you could elaborate a bit. PDS Your point about which 2 / 3 horses should one play is very important indeed. However, I have not quite understood your statement ‘the worst and sure to fail advice is to make your own selections and play only those choices’. Because further you have explained that with this advice, 95 % punters will lose. Does that mean that the 5 % who win regularly base their choices on inside information or something like that? Your clarification would be highly appreciated. Chanakya Your first para was very perceptive. Today’s information-enabled age has empowered a serious race goer like never before. The only pre-requisite is the attitude and the aptitude to make something out of it. Kolramsri That was a good one. Sureshot, It depends on your preference. There are so many writers who are giving their selections on this site. If you prefer ready-made selections you can take your pick from them. I am writing on a different subject. There are some people who are interested in doing their own study, doing the hard work and developing and improving their own methods. Such discussions can lead to exchange of ideas and sometimes trigger new thought processes. The proviso for continuation was related to the level of interest the lead post generates and was not meant to be a threat.

Friends,

It is extremely difficult to nominate more than 40 percent winners over a period i.e one season per Racing Centre or let us say 40 percent over the season to incl 2 or 3 Centres. Let me also tell all my friends that 40 percent strike rate is very good( let it be win or place at reasonable odds) and any one getting this strike rate has no reasons NOT to be an over all winner. Please try this, maintain your record of choices and betting and see  it yourself. Any of our friends wants to take a challenge for this, he or she are most welcome.You can work out your own terms for the challenge.

Hii dear all 

I have quit racing as playing a punter. 

Now getting ready to buy horse and start racing .

In 2021 my horse should be in racing. 

I will the owner let's see how much my love of buying horse and it will be profitable or not .

My first horse name will fr I have written only short form.

Im from hyderabad you will the horse 2 word horse. 

Best of luck all punter 

My wish is all go home happily after playing races. 

That's 

Regards 

Race lover 

GLASGOW PRINCE,

Racegoers  are  normal  human  beings having  weaknesses and  strengths  of  mind  and  character which  they  display  in  their  daily  activities and it  is  not  possible  to  change  their  mindset  unless  they  really  want  to  change  it, However, your  attempt  to give  it  a  trial  is  appreciated....

Racing  is  adynamic  game  and  any  sysem  used  in  an  attempt  to  make  profit  from  this  game  needs  constant  change  and  regular  improvements and  refinements. Most  of  the punters  do  not  use  any  worthwhile system  and  even  those  who  use any  system, many  of  them  fail to  continuously improve  it . Now  the  blame  game  starts - jockey, connections,bookies, horse, track etc. become blameworthy for  their  real  or  imaginary  lapses  and  mistakes...

I've  always  stressed that  a  good  and  proven  handicapping  system backed  by  a  proven  betting  strategy can  enable  a  punter  to  join  the  select  band  of  those 4 or  5% regular and  permanent winners, who never  crib  or  criticise anybody  else  for  their  mistakes  or  failures but  avoid  repeating  mistakes...

Why I am saying  this? The  reason  is,  that  after  lot  of  efforts, initial  failures I did not  give up  and  now  I have  a  system  and  a  strategy which  keps  me  afloat inspite  of  occasional  failures, heping  me  to  remain  in  the  band  of  4  or  5% punters; some  of  them  are  even  earning  their  livelihood  from racing....

Dear Glassgow 

You yourself has not concluded topic,there is no clarity what u want to sum up with,and soon u warn  to continue on nature of responses (threatlike).

I am sure you will also  waste the space of this forum by doing bla bla.

I will definitely salute u if u start tipping off winner on race days instead of doing all this scribbling.

Friends Don't do. This is not about the money part. About memories . At the end of the race day, do not store in the mind, the day's events. just empty into the dust bin, to avoid embarrassing moments after 40 years.

those were very good tips you gave.

@BVSP, I have read your action plan for Horse Racing and betting. A few points are logical i.e to have controlled betting, select 2/3 races( how to know which 2/3 race to play), dont play JPot, but the worst and sure to fail advise is,make your own selections and play only those choices.  Now here, I can assure you 95 percent punters will lose, because I have not come across more than 5 percent punters in my Racing and punting career of 55 years who are consistant winners over the years. ( incl professionls) so please dont give this advise and also dont follow it your self. Yes, only if you are very good at it, that is possible, but then you are part of 5percent category. good luck to you.

Dear brothers,

At present racing system in racing whatever calculations are comes to zero the punters always looser, patrons are plays in a different different ways on their own method, some people play's in bookies, some patrons play's in tote. In tote they play every race win, place,quinnella,forecast, now a days few tote pools opened like shp,thp exacta pools whatever they play at the end looser, one should think deeply about this.

According to my experience I will suggest few things purely based on my knowledge (1) first of all try to reduce our losses by not attempting every race nobody will will in all races this should be know. (2) stop chasing it is very dangerous, it may leads tention build up, in tentions you may collapse your concentration & committing many mistakes. (3) first while playing bee in your own control otherwise (if you ride a bike at 60kms it's ok, if at 80kmph some what difficult, if abv 100kmph it may leads for accidents) like you control your nettings. (4) Don't play odds on favts in class 1 & class VB these races are mostly tough and in favour of book makers.(5) some people are playing forecasts & Tanaka in each & every race this should be avoid you can't win in every race if you won 1/2 races overall it leads to loss only at the end of the day.(6) some people invest on huge amnts on jack pot I have seen so many persons investing 2k to 5k on every day, first everyone should know how much dividend is getting consolation price & Jp price overall in a month once or twice the consolation goes above 2k rest of all below 500 only Jp some times may get 1or 2 Lacs but not everyday. If you invest 1k X 20= 20000 in a month will you get returns and in one year your amnt is 1.2 Lacs  then how much you will recover from your own investment suppose if you get Jp above 25k after tax deduction how much you will get just think & play, my suggestion is don't invest more than 200 per day make 2 bankers on that & take you will reduce your losses.(7) for bookie players select 3 bets daily before entering the club don't deviate on anyone guidance stick on your selections & play only 2 bets if 2 bets fails go for 3rd one otherwise drop for the day this method also reduces your losses.

This is entire my plan only if you control your losses continuously you will automatically comes to gain profits in your future, this will happend when you are in your own control only, never follow anybody so many people say so many things but never trust anybody. 

No body is legend in this horse racing if anybody says like that means he is totally bluffing, so friends please plan your own & make your own selections and play according to your plan.

A strike rate of 100 %.in racing is asking for daily rain in a desert..for a moment yu may achieve it but not in race betting..