A proven system backed by good strategy is a must to win.By chanakya | 09-Sep-2020
Every punter goes to races with the single aim, i.e., to win money from betting.Most of them buy the race book at the entrance and decide their bet within 20 to 25 minutes available between races. Few punters carry out a detailed study before the races between the period from handicapping stage to declaration and finally at the race time. Inspite of that many of them rarely win big and come out winners at the end of the day or season.
The main reason is the unavailability of a good system and/or use of a good betting strategy.
Therefore, to win regularly a punter should develope a good handicapping system and a good betting strategy...
chanakya said ...On : 04-10-2020 10:38 am
I've been posting my selections since ages- more than 20 years on this column. They are still available from Jan '17 till !2 March '20. You can analyse them and prove me wrong as there is no racing and you have enough time...
Furthermore I don't have to prove anything to anybody. The facts are there. Closing with Ten Commandments words - I am what I am...
Moses said ...On : 03-10-2020 07:49 am
Let racing start and see Chanakya's tips whether they hit the board.Not tips like Fav in race 3 will winOr fav No7 will lose.Then shall we know whether he is worth listening to.Or else self praise benefits no one
Champ said ...On : 03-10-2020 01:23 am
@ Chanakya, this won't be your last reply to me, i am sure about it. Yes I know how to check the facts, you bet I do. Your statement of records are just a figment of your imagination, just like your fibbing about you being a winner is. Your records like Favourite won't win / Favourite may lose / and weaving a story of gain around it can be seen through by anyone who has seen enough in life from close quarters. By the way, I also remember your nice story of collecting 3rd Place payment on Malvika from bookies.
Winners like to be discreet, more so when pursuit is something like Horse Racing, where 95% are losers. It's only the desperate who come back again and again with concocted stories to fulfill their uncherished dream of being a winner. I have seen at least 100s of your comments silently before commenting on yours. The more you try to come again & again with same stale wine put in different bottles, the more it screams out of your writings that you're a loser, a bitter one at that.
Vijayakumar said ...On : 30-09-2020 08:01 pm
I concur with the views of Mr.Buddy who says that if the races are run with mutual understandings among Owners, Trainers , Jockeys and Bookies, then whatever be our betting strategy, it won't work. We saw this on many occasions where well backed horse finishing in the rucks while some dark horse from their connections sprout wings and dashes to the winning post upsetting all our calculations. If you still say that a good handicapping system backed with betting strategy is a must to win, then you have to prove it on a given day after the races are resumed.
Hope you will agree.
buddy said ...On : 29-09-2020 05:24 pm
The race/odds says horse no 3 best horse 'on money' shud win b 5 length . Trainer / jockey says odds not good lets not win today -what happens to the handicapping system - this part has to be taken into account while handicapping / betting.
1] handicapping standard has to be good  shud be able to spot malpractice before the race sometimes -and on most occasion malpractice shud be known after the race for future betting - here onwards on-money betting in win will be more harmful for punters.
chanakya said ...On : 28-09-2020 02:11 pm
What The Doc said is correct - theoretically but will be very difficult to put in practice. As a human all of us have many weaknesses and shortcomings which gets reflected in our responses, behaviour and attitudes. Nothing wrong - because we are not robots; but it amuses me to read some funny and stupid remarks or statements which delineate the exact character of a person. Comments on racing brings out the true character or nature of a punter for all others to see. There are two types of punters who go to races. One who claims ( really???) that he goes for outing/entertainment/timepass etc... why they don't go to picnics(enjoyment) or cinemas, theaters, trekking( fresh air, healthy) and many other diversionary fields everyday for the same purpose - they will get similar thrills...
I'm convinced that all of these excusemakers go to races just to make or win some money, if they could...
I go to races only to make money which finances my 'extra' needs...
Everybody or anybody who goes to races goes there only with one aim- to make money. Whether he makes or loses is a different story.
This may be the first but probably will be the last response to people like you who can neither read nor understand the facts...
When I lost 26 or more or less straight bets i was already more than 80 units plus and losing 26 or 62 straight bets will ot wipe out my capital. Similar foolish comment was made by some 'holder' who did not ( or could not?) check the 'records'...
chanakya said ...On : 27-09-2020 11:58 am
@ Abhay singh,
My system and strategy are working well and will do the same when racing resumes after almost 8 months gap.
i don't play 2 or 3 runners in every race, but I may bet on 2 or 3 runners in 2 or maximum 3 races which are 'open' or bracketed ( ) as per my analysis. Otherwise I always bet on my first choice. I don't bet on races where I put ?? or ??? question mark but may bet on a runner on which I put only one? mark- that too after watching him in paddock parade because there is something is 'amiss' in his rating.
The advice given by The Doc is applicable to all punters but in practice very few % of punters follow it and the reasons are well known...
It wqs always difficult to make money from the races and will remain so for average punter...
Pre-March performance of everybody - horses, trainers, punters etc will remain same or close to same as they were, when this 'breakdown' of racing started...
Champ said ...On : 27-09-2020 08:53 am
Lies, lies & if you question I'll feed you with some more lies.....that's my strategy.
I'll say that betting capital worth 20 units of bet is enough for myself to fund my foreign trips which come in my dreams, and then eulogise myself for keeping Zen like calm after losing 26 bets in a row.
I better run & conjure some more lies , lest someone asks , " Did you sell your shirt for the next 6 units once you went bankrupt with 20"?
Chase said ...On : 26-09-2020 12:35 pm
The Doc is always Right. If one can't control of himself , he can not succeed however much he has knowledge and expertise. Impulse control very essential. There is always another day.
chanakya said ...On : 26-09-2020 11:28 am
I agree with The Doc, that there is no winning formula in racing and perhaps it will never be, but some methods or systems or strategies can always help a punter to remain afloat in this game. But to win a substantial amount, regularly a punter has to create a system and or a strategy whichgives him an edge over others in this game.
Strict discipline and a faith on himself and his system/strategy is a must to succeed as well as the 'stability' of thought process in a situation of extreme win or loss. Somewhere i've mentioned that with a capitol 20 times of betting unit is sufficient to win enough to make a living out of betting ,provided a punter has a good system backed by good strategy. I still believe in this statement and has proven by my arnings in the truncketed Mumbai & Bangalore season.
What I mean by strict discipline and faith in oneself is that I kept calm even when i lost 26 consecutive bets in 4 days from 27 February to 5 March and neither increased my bet nor decreased it. I also did not stop betting and gradually recovered a substantial part of my loss from betting between 6 March to 12 March 20. Ups and downs must be faced without jumping with joy or giving up in despair is my formula of success in addition to the good system and a reliable strategy...
Abhay singh said ...On : 26-09-2020 08:27 am
Chanakyaji you have a wonder ful strategy and it is working is absolutely fine. See you are a unique punter .what ever I say is not for you because you have developed something which very few or may be no other punter will be able to do.
You play 2 to 3 horses irrespective of the odds and also look at there paddock condition .I don't know how many times you find all 3 in pink condition.
What THE DOC says is absolutely true ,it is very difficult to control your immotions when you are loosing. Playing 2 to 3 horses in a day and controlling you immotion and not chasing you losses is the only strategy I now that can keep a punter in plus other wise it is very difficult.
Ranjan said ...On : 26-09-2020 05:39 am
Once racing resumes, it is going to be very difficult to make money in the race course.
The average punter seems to have forgotten the weekly "whiplashes" he used to receive before March 2020.
But even those with proven system and a sound betting
strategy are going to find it difficult.
The fact is that this six month break has delivered a shock to the system. Nobody knows (except, perhaps, the insiders) which horse has "improved beyond recognition" and which horse has fallen back due to neglect by the connections.
Are the pre-March 2020 performances still relevant? By the time we answer this question the opportunity to make money might have gone.
The Doc said ...On : 25-09-2020 07:46 am
A proven system backed by good betting strategy a must win??? Of course, that’s why it is called a proven system and good betting strategy. But it will not work on its own unless it is supported by a glue which keeps them together. Any guess what that could be?? It is an important ingredient which no one talks about or acknowledges even though everyone is aware of it in their subconscious.
It is the psychological aspect which really determines whether you can be a successful punter or not. But who is a successful punter?? A successful punter is one who is disciplined, eager to learn and who is able to harness his emotions. It is a trait more of a character than the brain.
People lose money in racing not because they have a wrong system or they do not have a good betting strategy, they lose because they can not control their emotions. If you are winning you are fine, you will follow your system and strategies, but you will not always win, call it law of averages or pendulum. After wins will come losses and it is inevitable. Here your psychology has bearing on what you do when the pendulum swings towards losses. Important thing here is to let go of losses and move on, wait for next opportunity which will be plenty. If one can do that then nothing can stop him from being a successful punter. A miniscule minority is able to do this.
But its easier said than done. How you do it is up to you. There is one more system which everyone knows but ignore it, the stop loss. Limit the losses to certain amount, daily or monthly. Strictly stop after the stop loss is reached, no matter what.
As said earlier its easier said than done. It requires immense discipline and strong emotional character. Try to abide by these rules, but sometimes you can slip. So if you can harness you emotions and built a strong psychology you will not lose money. This lovely sport should just be a hobby and it should not come at a cost, is enough.
I don’t have any magic formula for winning, I just have suggestion for not losing. Sometimes money saved is money earned.
chanakya said ...On : 24-09-2020 02:11 pm
@ Abhay singh,
I like your way of argument.
Headpost is about making money from racing and its essential requirements - a good system and a good betting strategy.
Paddock look is an essential part of final decision. It give me 3 signals or messages- a positive ignal for your choice or a neutral signal and thirdly a negative signal; the choice is agitated, bored , lame,irritated, washy etc ; which makes me bet or pass the race...
Every human wants to invest least and tries to get more, rather most, be it a punter, stock trader or a buyer in the 'subji' market - that is human psyche. Will never change.
You are wrong; if that was true then there would have been long Q's when a 10/1 wins; the reality is opposite there are long Q's at payout windos when favorite wins and hardly 2 or 3 when an outsider(10/1) wins... because 'wishes were not horses...' It is only a 'tenner type' who shouts loudest - never a seasoned punter...
Money is not 'a' factor - it is the 'ONLY' factor in racing.
Remember, Money can NEVER beget money in racing- if it can then many millionaires would have become billionaires while opposite is the truth.
Winning big or small depends on punter's psyche, moneybags do not matter. Neither betting on flukes(10/1 +). Essentials are good system and good strategy.
To prove my point I'll give my example. I started going to races few years after Rajinder Krishan(RK) won more than 46 lakhs - NON TAXABLE, THROUGH A JACKPOT. Those days tax rates were so high about 90 to 96% on income of this level! I used to invest 80% of my cash on Jackpot and used only 20% on win, tanala, place etc. Used to win occasionally once or twice a month 5000 to 15000 from JP, from other betting there was no appreciable ROI. Continued till mid 90's when the 'craze' for the jackpot died and then switched over to a simple win betting.
Gradually started getting'even' while continuously improving my system and strategy. In next decade I recovered my losses and since last several years racing is financing my ambition to travel oveseas which a pensioner can never dream...
Investing big can never( always) bring big returns. Wise, clever, selective investing will - in any field. winning big is a relative term , for a tenner punter winning hundreds is a big amount for those who bet in thousands a win of lakhs is a good amount and for those who bet quarter,half or a peti winning a million only is good amount.
Odds have only secondary importance in my opinion. Never consider them binding or 'finale', because money is not earned on 'moving odds' but on other factors...
Abhay singh said ...On : 24-09-2020 09:09 am
@Chanakyaji I know many people give importace to paddock looks and if they are getting the result absolutely fine. See I always say what you take from race course is what matters. Whether you play a 10/1 horse or a 30 paisa fav no body is going to give you a medal. Punters want to invest less and want more so they always chase longer odds horses . When some punter wins on a longer odds horse he will shout on top of his voice as if he is the biggest handicapper though he must have played only 500 bucks.he will forget all his losses in that excitement. A person playing a peti on a fav will never shout he will quietly go and collect his payment.
See money is also on factor on which a punter makes his decision. You will never play a pati on a 10/1 horse , you will always go for a fav or a second fav place. But is you have to play 1000 bucks you will look for a longer odds horse.
My point is odds and money are very important factor on which you make your decisions in the ring.if you really want to make money in racing it cannot be made on longer odds horses.racing is all about favs and second favs. Big amounts can only be invested on small priced horses and unless u invest big you will not earn big.
Cruise_B'lore said ...On : 23-09-2020 05:42 pm
I totally concur with your last sentence. Start of racing ought to be the prime priority with other factors being secondary.
Abhay singh said ...On : 23-09-2020 01:38 pm
@Ranjan things will be very different when racing will start. No question of bookie odds.how the online system will work no body knows. At least the racing should start other things are secondary.
chanakya said ...On : 23-09-2020 11:53 am
Rightly said, that a good handicapping punter can still make a winning bet by betting on more than one runner if he is clear that the race is between these 2 or 3 runners only. He can use 'dutching' the race.
Paddock look is a very important factor. Few times I've changed my final bet after a look at my first choice and switched over to second choice. Moving odds do affect but I've never given them much importance; because if I give importance, then I'll never be able to bet at 10/1 chance which may come out better than the favorite , in my handicapping...
@ Abhay singh,
Paddock handicapping is not a difficult thing. Perhaps one season is enough to learn the basic or important points which will help in making final decision. Pulled back ears shows the runner is agitated, flipping of tail and and upright or moving ears indicate the runner is alert and ready, etc. etc...
Ranjan said ...On : 23-09-2020 12:46 am
You seem to be suggesting that a punter can sense some pattern in the movement of bookmaker odds and make money.
I don't know whether that would be possible with only Online Betting and a single Tote.
Abhay singh said ...On : 22-09-2020 09:57 pm
@Buddy it is true that it is not possible to select a single horse in every race. Playing more than one horse is an individual choice ,how he plans his game. I very rarely play more than one horse.at the end of the day what maters is winning . If you can win fine.
As far as paddock parade is concerned I will admit iam a big zero in that.many people do that but I don't know how much sucessful they are. But from my experience I will tell you that the real answer of ever race lies on the board. As you say bookie odds are very confusing true but the puzzle will never be simple. Races are won on the board not on the track.lt is a very complex puzzle why a horse suddenly becomes so negative . Reading the board does not mean that you play every horse on which money flows , then you will never win.
buddy said ...On : 22-09-2020 05:39 pm
Abhay Singh - I like your posts its makes sense 2 points don't -
1] Punter's who are good at handicapping do play more then one horse in certain races ...sometimes .
2]Your statement 50% book handicapping and 50% bookie odds wrong way- 50% book 50% paddock reading if you know how to read them - bookies odds is most confusing ....but if book/paddock matches with money flow its good.
Abhay singh said ...On : 21-09-2020 07:47 pm
@Mr Ranjan , I am for last 10 years into racing and I can say that this mountain can be claimed. It is certainly not an impossible tast as most of the people believe to make money in racing. But you will have to be very smart . Just by selecting horses from the race book and playing will not solve this puzzle and you will not win .50 percent of the racing is from book and 50 percent is from from the bookie odds and you need understanding of both. It is more important to understand which race to leave than which race to play.make your own strategy and stick to it you will win. Dont go there to select the winner, go there to make money. Select the horse that will give you money match it with bookie odds and then play it.if place option is there play place.
chanakya said ...On : 21-09-2020 11:11 am
Raw timings, as published depend on Penetrometer(PNR) values which are published in the racebooks.Lesser the PNR faster will be timinigs and vice versa.PNR value is taken at 6 to 8 places on the raceday and their average is displayed on the board. Trimming and watering will affect this value which inturn will contribute to final time.
Furthermore, Indian racing is different than US or some other countries. In any race initial pace is rather slow where serious runners try to gain position and vantage place. The Indian race takes seriousness only in last 600m during which the pace will be faster. Therfore attention may be taken for the stretch of this length of the track, upto the winning post...
I've clearly proved in my betting strategy part II how I won about 90 units from 20 days betting on Mumbai & Bangalore races during Jan-March 2020. I cannot repeat it for any of these tom,dick & harry's. My betting unit also has been posted innumerable times and I'll not repeat it. It was clearly mentioned that there was no 'rolling', inspite of that if somebody can not understand ; I don't know what to call him...
Ranjan said ...On : 21-09-2020 01:34 am
In my earlier post, I did not intend to challange or disrespect anybody.
My main motivation is as follows:
I and many other struggling punters would just like to know if there is any punter who is making serious money in the race course.
I do not want to know his system and neither do I want to know his identity.
I would just like to know whether this mountain can be climbed. If I know that somebody has successfully climbed this mountain, I would redouble my efforts.
Ranjan said ...On : 20-09-2020 10:16 pm
I am happy to see that you have considered the non-linear effect of carried weight. But I have noticed elsewhere that you also take into consideration the timing. Timing is a very popular parameter for punters who are scientifically inclined.
But I have a problem with it.
It is as follows:
Grass grows and it has to be watered now and then.
Race clubs cannot trim the entire track on one day. Neither do they water the entire course on the same day. They water or trim the grass from the WP to 400 metres on one day and some other day they handle from 400 meteres to 800 metres and so on.
We punters are never given any information about this exercise.
Surely, this activity on their part induces randomness in your Timing analyses.
Suppose you are analysing the Timing for 1400M
race, you really don't know which part of the track has been recently timmed or watered. So your analyses base on Timing is bound to have errors.
Have you considered this? If so, How do you handle it?
Vijayakumar said ...On : 20-09-2020 08:42 pm
@ dancing dynamite,
May be Mr.Chanakya's betting strategy is quite different from others which fetches him enormous wealth as claimed by him. If it is true, we punters who often bite the dust in race betting, should appreciate him and follow his foot steps for profit. Instead we should not doubt about its authencity and ask for the BALANCE SHEET from him to prove his claims. If you feel that Mr. Chanakya is making a comedy, just laugh it out. After all he is also one of our co-punter.
ramanujan said ...On : 20-09-2020 01:17 pm
Hi Ranjan Bhai,
Thank you for your invitation(I assume an RSVP tag is attached) for participation in the seemingly innocuous ‘Dhoodh ka Dhoodh, Pani ka pani’ Agni Pariksha. More than not being under any obligation, the fact remains I’m too lazy to participate. Not that I’m scared. I’m game with instantly handed out reward or retribution, as the case may be, attached with bets made by me exercising due diligence. I’m no doubt at times keen to give expression in this fabulous forum to the experience gathered over the years. If this by any chance could result in some remote empowerment somewhere happiness is mine.
chanakya said ...On : 20-09-2020 11:12 am
@ Anil Xk,
I'm not opting out due to negative comments - they don't affect me. Ofcourse stupid and irrelevant comments do. I expect criticism or negative opinion and disagreement on the subject and/or the logic or the opinions expressed here by anybody to be objective with logical reasoning and not an attempt of character assassination.
However, democrcy does not permit people to go berserk...
dancing dynamite said ...On : 19-09-2020 04:40 pm
@Ranjan, Posting of choices would never help in proving a win or loss. A person like Chanakya would give 3 to 4 choices with some vague statements and after the race result, would mould the statements in his favour. If his horses win one after another, in evening his bets would be rolling, otherwise flat bets.
Winning and losing can only be assessed if one gives a bet amount also. And that too clearly . I am sure, the millionaire would not turn up for that.
R Venugopal said ...On : 19-09-2020 02:23 pm
Hi Friends , I prefer to follow these horses in future when they hit their prime form . . Some of them have already won .. Every Trainer n Owner will aim to qualify these horses for Derby .. All r 3 yr old and due to corona effect they have less time ( Oct to Jan ) .. so This year Trainers concentration on these Classy horses when compared to older horses .. atleast if they don't qualify for derby , they will win or place in other races n u can note down horses from normal trainers also. I like 65th horse Socrates from Shroff , Class pedigree n good trainer , it may reach Derby card . But please go through other horses as time goes on u will see results . 119 horses r more than enough to try out for this season , chose wisely in races . http://www.rwitc.com/sweepstakes.php?id=446 ... Good luck Punters .
Vijayakumar said ...On : 19-09-2020 01:53 pm
This topic on betting strategies has attracted immense response from various knowledgeable punters on different angles. This is obviously due to the concerted efforts being taken by the turf clubs in India to kickstart horse racing as early as possible consequent to the announcement of several liberalisations on the curfew imposed by the Governments concerned. It is quite evident that punters are very eager to wager a bet as soon as the races are commenced.
Set apart a major portion of your monthly income for the essential expenditures of your family before wagering a risky bets in horse racing. Everyone knows there will be no sure shots in this equine sport. I adopt this strategy in my racing career. I never mingle office and racing in my life.
Good day to all.
chanakya said ...On : 19-09-2020 12:41 pm
I appreciate your points of view and the logic used to explain them so well. Various components of handicapping have been discussed many times in these forums but Iam afraid to say that very few has taken them seriously to improve their ROI. A system or strategy is useless if it does not give 'good' positive ROI over a period which will ALWAYS include some negative ROI days.
My system based on 5 or 6 components enumerated earlier has given me good ROI since many years and that is why I've shared its components here, though they are wellknown to all handicappers and punters since ages. Developing it took me several years and the end results I've been posting in tips threads of these forums since long. Anybody can develope similar system with some effort. Sharing it will bring at par with Beyer's numbers given in DRF (Daily racing form) and lose its uniqueness.
For example, take the case of weight. Ray Taulbot was so disgusted with it that most of the time he advised to ignore it. But i give it lot of importance. Many people agree that its effect varies with the distance of the race- same difference may be less effective in a sprint than a route race. But I consider it in a more complex way. Idon't accept that 45 to 52 kg will produce same effect on a runner which 55 to 62 kgs. will or a reduction from 52 to 45 kgs. will produce same effect which 62 to 55 will do. the effect of weight on a runner is not linear. This requires several tables for different distances and different weight changes. How many punters/hndicappers will take trouble to make more than half a dozen graphical tables?
Regarding proof. How many times I've to give proof? Because of no racing during last 6 months I've worked nd given my winnings with reference to closing prices of BOL book for Mumbai (15 days) and Bangalore(5 days) seasons only for th selections posted on this forum. The combined return is about 90 units or more for these 20 days of punting. We have abundance of racing from July till March at 3 or 4 centers , for 9 months giving a punter almost 200 days of active racing...
Anil Xk said ...On : 19-09-2020 09:36 am
Opting out after getting some negative comments is not positive. You are highly knowledgeable personal with good insight. Expecting negative comments and going through it is good. We are living in a democratic society please go ahead
Ranjan said ...On : 18-09-2020 10:15 pm
Unlike earlier days, with online betting, a smart phone or a computer is always accessible.
There is now an opportunity to decide who is a really good punter and who is just 'Hot Air'.
Dhoodh ka Dhoodh, Pani ka pani.
Once online betting starts, all of us can post our choices in a chosen HorseTalk Thread just before a race starts.
Indiarace would show it only after the race is over.
Even the time that you posted your choice can be seen.
So there is no question of cheating.
Are you guys game?
ramanujan said ...On : 18-09-2020 01:46 pm
>Hi All, A proven system backed by good strategy is a must to win’ speaks it all. Simply put it has two parts. A proven system followed by the application of a good strategy. The system stems from one’s own research with various well-known (illustrative but not exhaustive) parameters of pedigree, handicapping tools, age, class, distance suitability, the relative merit of participants thrown open in a crucially recent and past performances, etc., fairly discussed in detail in these columns and elsewhere by experts on different occasions. Should one has painstakingly taken a sincere ride throw this phase, can we just label this as the basic science of elementary yet fundamentally essential groundwork to gain knowledge. But beware now you have just acquired the ability to cross half of the well only. Rushing to encash on this vital quantum of knowledge alone, under the inevitably normal spell of human weakness of misplaced confidence and ‘I now know it all’ belief. Sporadic gains at this stage are no matter of comfort when confronted with risks of grave financial injuries often disproportionate to the former. Patience and the proper balancing act is vital to stay afloat.
We now come to the more important part of the keys viz., strategy, and its application. It’s like entering the caves of Alibaba and forty thieves – no, always add one and say, forty-one thieves. Yes, if you know precisely the number you deemed to have conquered it all. Always give allowance to ensure your safety and be prepared to get pounced by one from nowhere and thwart your plans in the chase of bounty. The seemingly sounding rhetoric is consciously intended to caution punters against lurking dangers all the time until you encash your winning ticket.
Coming to speak of the strategy aspect you may consider it an Art form as against the science, aspect discussed earlier. You have plenty of variables on the table demanding your nuanced approach and analysis. In a population of say 400 horses or even more each distinct by way of age, sex, pedigree, etc., the numbers get multiplied exponentially beyond imagination if you recognize the fact that the same animal at different weights take different avatars influencing its performance or otherwise. The fitness issues on any day as revealed by known track work, lay off issues, bodyweight on a given day the drop not to be confused with health issues like blood vessel breaking, the rustiness revealed by gaining weight is there on the horizon as pointers.I struggle hard to confine me to just peripheral elements illustrative but not exhaustive to save me from being mocked at for indulging in Ramayana and Mahabharatha tales (though still, I do not rule out the possibility)
There’s yet an all-pervading part of the strategy that can hardly be overlooked lies in punter’s ability to develop a nose to sneak through the records as to how a stakeholder is moving his pawns (read his wards) too and forth and identify with nuances at your command to exploit all by yourself the exact moment of a successful assault. Shuffling of jockeys of caliber, apprentices claiming allowances with or without whips etc., on horses, having different body weights, some preferring lower weight on their back yet others capable of braving higher weight, horses resistance to optimum performance on increased deadweight tend to convey useful messages to the discerning punters focussed on meaningfully understanding and interpreting the past to help oneself cracking the event on hand. Everyone is aware, no race is actually won by a horse until it not merely crosses the winning post but also gets white cone nod. Horse racing wielding such a critical background It’s no wonder that it is quite natural for any winning strategy worth the name to deliver goods unless being open to fine-tuning till the post parade exercise, display of body weights, movement of odds.etc.,
No point lies in demanding the thread author Chanakyaji in soliciting the validity of the ever-elusive system with proof of successful field trial results as if development of a foolproof vaccine is involved to handle the elusive winner picking exercise. He does deserve all the fairness to the extent of opening up what he feels right.
Abhay singh said ...On : 18-09-2020 12:46 pm
@ Mr Ranjan do you know somebody who has made lots of money from race course and did not get respect in society. Then why do you say this just because you know you can't win from race course. Ranjanji society only respecrts money, people with no money are treated like animals.
You say it is graveyard still you are interested in racing. Please don't do something which you hate so much.
JP said ...On : 18-09-2020 09:21 am
This man is a "MAGICIAN" and like all magicians he wants everybody to clap and appreciate. All spectators do not know the secrets behind the performance but all clap and shower accolades. Atleast we see the performance of the magician on stage but this man's performance is only self boasting and building castles in the air.
Krish said ...On : 18-09-2020 01:33 am
dont get disappointed from others who not understand your words coz it happens as it is.. but, because of it may be your horse odds will increase.
I like your way of thinking... so please keep posting your selections.
chanakya said ...On : 17-09-2020 10:05 pm
I don't consider, trianer ,owner,jockey or other punter as an opponent. The only opponent for me is the bookie with whom I've placed my bet. It is my money vs his money; it is my knowledge vs his info etc. I don't bet at tote -will not elaborate further...
In any field where you want to make money - intelligence, hard work , dedication are prerequisites except in your father's 'business' where he may 'tolerate' the incompetence...
your last paragraph is too good to ignore. Every old or new punter must think about it...
I'm not deserting; I'm not a coward. I'm just fed up and tired with fools and reducing my interaction/response. Tell me why should I continue, the other site is struggling for existence while here we find only stupid or childish comments. Ignore whom?
@ Abhay singh,
Why don't you understand that most of the competitors in any game are losers - yes it is true that they don't lose their money but do lose their respect, standing and many subtle positions. In racing they lose only money but cry hoarse and blame everyone else, except themselves , for their stupid and wrong bets...
I'm a winner and win regularly and don't have to prove everytime. The current Mumbai & Bangalore season has proved it -even in 2006/7 season on my blog I've proved it.
To get the proof go to the 'Betting strategy threads - part I & II where there are about 400 responses ,where winnings as per closing odds are given and a respectable amount has been earned...
By the way , why should I prove again and again that I'm a winner...
Past results and facts don't prove that?........................................
chanakya said ...On : 17-09-2020 09:23 pm
High stakes(class I) or low stakes ( classIV or A) winners behave same way and the returns do not depend on class. Yes there may be ony 105 sure winners but proper handicapping can give more winners if bets are intelligently spread.
Talking about Be Safe is no point now. He lost and the topic was discussed in length at that time. Ask admin to reproduce the threads of that time , you'll know the reason....
Yes only 'fittest' can survive in this game - I'm still alive in this game after more than 4 decades; but may be out soon...
Abhay singh said ...On : 17-09-2020 12:20 pm
@ CHanakya it is a fact that most of the punters are loosers and most of them are not ready to accept that winning is possible in racing and you claim to be a regular winner. Since you want to prove that winning is possible prove that by giving you selection just for one week as the races will start shortly.
Chandragupt said ...On : 17-09-2020 05:18 am
Dear Chanakya....don't desert us. People of your experience are in short supply. Youngsters need your valuable guidance. Ignore them and do continue with your good work. Please don't disappoint.
Ranjan said ...On : 17-09-2020 12:13 am
You assert that a punter should develop better skills than his opponents. In the list of opponents you include trainers, jockeys and tipsters.
But actually, a pinter has only ONE OPPONENT and that is the fellow punter. We are all competing only against each other and not with any jockey or trainer or owner or tipster. When you win a race, the money does not come from the owner's or trainer's pocket. It comes from the pockets of your fellow punters.
This is a game where only a few punters (if at all) win and the rest are slaughtered. Any punter who does not internalise this fact is cannon fodder.
To any freshie punter I would say that the racecourse is more likely to be your "Shamshaan" than your "Karma Bhoomi".
Realise that making serious money here requires great intelligence and dedication. If you have great intelligence and are ready to work dedicatedly, success is assured in the outside world. Furthermore, society does nor respect you for your success in the race course.
Vijayakumar said ...On : 16-09-2020 08:56 pm
@ Ksmrow, Well said. I concur with your views totally. Focusing on the issue and not the person will lead to healthy discussion. It is an empathy seeking to understand the other point of view also. Healthy disagreement, debate lead to compromise which is always been the American's way. We can practice this here also. Nice day to all.
chanakya said ...On : 16-09-2020 01:57 pm
Everyone here expresses his opinion based on his experiences -good or bad. It is an acceptable universal fact. Very few can use logic to contradict an opinion - forget aout contradicting a fact; but it is astonishing to see that most of the writers do not even acept the proven facts. This only happens in India!
Allover the world the losers outnumber the winners, MANY TIMES in ANY GAME but nowhere except Indian racing the losers are so vehemently opposed to the winners. Interviews, personal opinions, game experts analysis, even MEDIA accepts the results - real or MANIPULATED with some reservations somtimes. Indian punter never does that and that is why he can not come out of the grooves created by him for himself.
Horseracing is a game of skill and to win in a 'game of skill' a punter MUST DEVELOPE BETTER SKILL than his oppnents - trainer, jockey, opinion makers, 'khabris' and other interested parties who may willinglly or unintentionlly try to confuse or mislead him.
A REGULAR WINNER STICKS TO HIS DECISION- inspite of diversions...
I'm tired of useless discussions and responding to stupid insinuations because it neither adds to my knowledge or information nor to any tangible help to hapless punter/(s) and therefore, I've decided to be less and less visible on these forums in future....................................
Ksmrow said ...On : 15-09-2020 01:16 pm
Not only in racing in life also
failures are 90%, in races and life we measure success in money one earned,in life and racing There are more fortunate ones who are able to extract joy and happiness from what they achieved(knowledge) looks to others as contentment more than real success.
chankya has vast experience
In racing researched in this feild has created his own calculation or method of short listing to 1,2 or three in a race and strategy to back all his choices and telling he is in profits Believe it or not it is left to you all. I may be touching bee hive but to get honey(peace) one has to do that bites doesn't matters,the three have great command of English and writing skills with many years experience in wagering on horses two of them able to continue for 4decades or more certainly they are not perennial losers
Only fittest can survive so long the other was also in the game for 3 decades until that bad day he chooses to go with 5 horse rolling now he has taken a wise decision to quit We should appreciate that also listening to his appeal or not is one's choice let us enjoy their views in our Own way please understand.
Aravind said ...On : 15-09-2020 12:09 pm
All have missed one valid point. Ofcourse various methods r used to zero in finding clear cut winners from a race but in reality not even 10% obliged. All calculations, handicap,jockey,trainer, distance can be good yardstick to arrive a sure shot winner only in High Stake Money races. It won't work out for VB cl 4 , and in aged horses. In such races inside information, and other sources only wud help for laying betting. My simple question to all punters even if we have arrived at a conclusion that a horse wud be sure shot winner, why Be Safe lost race. What wud happen for all calculations. So racing is not mathematics . If we win today we may lose next day. Ppls telling so much earned and got bungalow, car foreign trips all lies. If I won 2lalhs today I wud be tempted to pay 1 lakh next day. It wud lose then I will swaer to get back that money I will lose another 2 lakhs. This s how every punters life going every race day. Nobody after winning high amount say goodbye to course and fly away.
Punterbychoice said ...On : 14-09-2020 07:07 pm
I met with a key person of turf authority couple of months ago and enquired why race is stopped. He told me that race in India stopped permanently because Mr Chankya invented a strategy and started looting bookies everyday. All bookies will bankrupt soon so we don't have any option left rather than closing.
Congratulations Mr CHANKYA for making history.
JP said ...On : 14-09-2020 06:11 pm
I agree, that this man keeps blowing his own trumpet and keeps shouting over the roof top about some PROVEN SYSTEM. Where and how this so called system proved. He has never even explained the broad guidelines except saying handicap system. Why do you keep saying this repeatedly without clear explanation probably fearing that others may adopt this MIRAGE system. If you are such an expert and making money in tons, our hearty congratulations and keep it yourself. I wish Administration stops this repeated trumpet blowing of this man from publishing since it is being repeated by him.
dancing dynamite said ...On : 14-09-2020 03:02 pm
adjudicatewar said ...On : 14-09-2020 02:50 pm
I am sure chanakya doesn't have any formula but I do have the formula that can affect bookies and they can't change to any strategy to win against me once the races start bookies will know and I am not going share my strategy becoz If every one follows the strategy which I discovered will make bookies in loss. So let me win.
chanakya said ...On : 14-09-2020 11:48 am
I am also surprised - not amazed, at your poor understanding of my postings. My claims are always proven and advice to apunter to 'improve his knowledge' will also remain same. It is a 'sane' advice rather than the advice given by others.I've clearly given the 5 important ingredients of my system in my post of 10/9/20 at 10.17 PM and you failed to understand the importance. However I'll againtry to explain for your benefit. They are speed corrected by PNR value, current form expressed by trackwork, class towhich the runner belongs, consistency shown by previous records and weight variation - weight going up reduces and weight going down improves the performance. Amalgamation of these and comparison with other runners clearly narrows the real contestents to 2 or 3 and the a punter can make decision. Cleverly worded 'bark' can not diminish or nullify the truth that using these parameters I've won enough ( a million or a billion?) in 2015/2016 which financed my 40 days trip to USA from 17/6/16 to 28/7/16 travelling the country from east to west and north to south.
I have always shared the ingredients and the results of my system on these forums since 2004- even much earlier than that! My selections for Pune, Hyderabad <mysore, Bangalore wtc. are stillscattered and available on these forums. Furthermore, I don't need any recognition from those who do not matter, neither from those who matter. My aim of writing here or anywhere is to help a punter to improve his ROI. If you don't like it why don't you ignore and skip my postings?
Vijayakumar said ...On : 14-09-2020 11:24 am
Some members in HT are in the habit of telling people how good or successful they are in their betting strategies, blowing their own trumpets. But it cut no ice and often fail to influence or make an impression on others.
The learned SSPPji has indicated this in his articles which we have read many times in these columns. It is better if he could join this debate and offer his valuable comments on the ongoing topic so that the freshers would understand the sport clearly.
Moses said ...On : 14-09-2020 07:58 am
I wonder why some people go about in circles convincing others that they are experts.
Just post three tips before race time and people here will judge for themselves
Kautilya said ...On : 13-09-2020 07:07 pm
Every time I visit horsetalk i see your oft repeated article. You continue to amaze me man. The claim remains the same and the advice too. Its pompous bark, huge looking but hollow inside. If you have discovered some system thats paying you handsome returns then why are you so reluctant to disclose it. Knowledge doesnt diminish by sharing. From what I remember your last claim of million rupees roll was teared apart here in this forum. Unless you are willing to share your so called knowledge of a system, there is no point in discussing the stale topic over and over again.
So if you really believe in you system then you should share it with others, unless you are not sure about it or you are afraid of failure of your system. Trust me, punters do not follow other punter however expert he may be so don’t worry about people benefiting from your spectacular system. Also don’t worry that once you disclose your theory, bookies or clubs may change their strategy to loot public. No one in the world has that power to affect clubs or bookies.
So if u really want recognition, which is evident from your numerous attempts, you should disclose what you want to recognized for. Otherwise there will nothing but be brickbats.
Adios amigo, till your next post.
Abhay singh said ...On : 13-09-2020 02:36 pm
@ CHANAKYA please don't take it otherwise, I always appreciate people who are winning what ever strategy u use, at the end of the day what matters is what u win ,how you win doesn't matter. When you say iam winning I believe you , no need to proove that.
chanakya said ...On : 13-09-2020 11:45 am
I've not changed track - you have not understood my point. I don't use a formula but use the ystem based on the parameters enumerated earlier and except few cases it gives many times 2 or 3 probables which can win and forces me to either leave the race or play both or all 3 probables. For example; on 2/1/20, in 1st. race Nicollini was clearcut and I gave only one choice ,in 2nd. race 5&4 were equal and i played both. In 3rd. race I could not find any (??) and skipped it ( a fluke 10/1 won). In 4th race 8 was clear win and 7 was place and in 5th race 'favorite was to lose' so I played 6&5. Only when I say 'open' race i play all the selections - max 3; never gave 4 selections so playing 4 selections does not arise. If ever I choose 4 or 5 then I'll use 'Dutching' system...
Agreed you have not seen anyone winning by playing more than 1 choice but I've won regularly in a season by playing more than one choice. Current Mumbai and Bangalore season are a proof of my claim. My winnings are given in the head post of betting strategy part II.
Tipsters give 3 choices, I've no comment - may be they re giving it for forecast, tanala etc. I don't find any reason why you are againt it , you pick up their first choice and analyse their success rate...
Yes , let the real racing start without spectators...
Einstein said ...On : 13-09-2020 01:55 am
OK sir. I'll wait for active races to begin.
Champ said ...On : 12-09-2020 11:20 pm
The humbug strikes again......
No.hypocrisy said ...On : 12-09-2020 10:16 pm
Chanakya will share the formula once the white cone is hoisted.......
chanakya said ...On : 12-09-2020 06:33 pm
@ Ranjan, your 1.14AM.
You are absolutely correct. Majority of punter were always losing and will always lose in future- there is no disagreement on this fact.
Iam not very knowledgeable person but have good knowledge of basic handicapping principles and their variations which makes me remain in profit, which is the basic requirement of a winner. The day majority of punters reach my level of understanding , I'll be one of them - a loser. I've no doubt about it.
Wealth is created and also lost in racecourse. It is exchanged only on tote.It is created or lost in the 'ring' where many punters may lose but few may win and the distribution of 'wealth' is uneven unlike on tote.
Many thanks for your best wishes for the coming season - I really need them...
I've no winning formula. I've created a handicapping system which regularly gives me 'probable' winners and using betting strategy as explained in my betting strategy threads earlier ; it keeps me afloat. There is no racing since last 6 months and perhaps one or 2 more months will go dry. Only in November I may be able to use it, I hope...
Abhay singh said ...On : 12-09-2020 04:57 pm
@chanakya now you have changed the track.first u say you are doing handicapping using 5 to 10parameters and spotting the winner and winning in race course.now you say you play 3to 4 horses .if you play more than one horse that means you are not sure of you handicapping.if you are winning absolutely fine but I have not seen any one winning playing more than one horse.
Now you say movement in odds will effect you decision .you your self say that some horses in every race are run just to lower there handicapp. That means these horses are not being tried by the connections how will you judge that that is the question. If your selection is in thi set which is there just to lower the handicap.
See u may be winning by playing 3to 4 horses no problem at all. at the end of the day what matters is winning .but people who play more than one horse or give more more than one hores in there selections are fluke handcappers because they are not sure of there selections. Tipping 3 horses is of no use as most of the people do.bol is there to give 3 horse and most of the time winner is there from those 3 but of no use.
Einstein said ...On : 12-09-2020 02:50 pm
When are you going to start implementing your winning formula? All the knowledge and strategy to do so.
chanakya said ...On : 12-09-2020 11:45 am
@ Abhay Singh,
My point is - handicapping is a system which compares the available data of each runner and tries to evaluate their chance to win. It is not a formula and therefore, if applied correctly it is applicable to all centers. I don't give any importance to connections intentions and rely only on my 'numbers' and sometimes play a 'jodi' or sometimes even 3 runners in a race as is evident from my postings in tips thread. Regarding moving odds you have a point, I agree. I will not bother if odds move up/down by 50% of opening odds but any more variation - I'll reject that race and will not bet at all. My 2/1/20 selections truely show my methodology.
They were: race 1) Nicollini, 2) 5 4 jodi, 3) 1 5 10?? 4) 8 7place 2, 5) (365) open race, fav will lose, 6) 546, 7) (582) open.
No ambiguity for race 1. race 2 no.5 'value' 50 and no.4 value 51 forces me to play 'jodi' . race 3 is confusing -tobe ignored; and so on.
I am not using any formula - only using the handicapping principles enumerated earlier and 'converted' into a numerical format...
In race 5, I used astro to say 'fav will lose' and values of 3,6,5 were close but leaving 3(fav) I bet 6 & 5 though they were at 20/1 and 10/1. 'Good' handicapping does throw these high priced winners occasionlly and we should have the guts to encash these opportunities...
Ranjan said ...On : 12-09-2020 01:14 am
You have misconstrued my response. The point I wanted to make is that the majority of punters are bound to be losers. I doubt whether you can disagrre with it.
Consider the following scenario:
Let us, for argument sake, assume that you are the most knowledgeable punter around and you catch winners at 5 to 1 and 6 to 1. But if the majority of the punters, somehow, reach your level of excellence, the odds for the same winner would be odds on.
Since wealth is not created but only excahnged in a racecourse amd since punters due to their addiction are more willing to part with their money, it is inevitable that the majority of punters, however knowledgeable they become, are bound to losers.
This is the inexorable logic of markets and cannot be refuted.
All the best to you in the (hopefully) forthcoming race events.
chanakya said ...On : 11-09-2020 03:31 pm
I don't know about Victorin era though I've books published in 1941 and some books which discuss races run in England in 1917 and 1919 which are beyond my comprehension.
I don't agree that RCTC, HRC, BTC etc follow different rules or routes or methods. There may be slight variations because each center employs different handicapper and their assessment may differ due to their experience and rating methods. During these inactive 6 months I've checked my system for all centers except Delhi ,chennai and Ooty and found that if I've followed my system, WITHOUT ANY DEVIATION AND RESERVATION, I would hve been richer MANY times than what I've won during these 2 1/2 months. Yes you are right it would have taken 30+ years to master all centers and it has taken more than that for me because I did not have nor had knowledge of computer. Today it may take only months or a year for a computer savvy person to learn as much as I've learned in 40 years!
Forget about mood of jockey or runner or the intention of connections - master these 5 to 10 parameters and these minor irritants will disappear...
chanakya said ...On : 11-09-2020 03:07 pm
Owner/trainer will does'nt work in racing because 'if wishes were horses beggers would ride them'. A runner must have the 'capability' to win 'that' race only then he can win. Class,speed, form, relative weight, jockey's calibre must be equall or better than other runners then only a runner can win.
I've given you the complete ingredients of creating a 'good' handicapping system.Use them and create one for yourself.
Abhay singh said ...On : 11-09-2020 01:53 pm
@chanakya iam not saying that u r not winning .if u r winning that is absolutely fine.iam only saying is you can do handicapping and acess the card based on ur experience and play but it is not possible to develop a formula which works daily and in all centres that is because there is no meter which can judge the mood of the connections whether they are trying the horse or not.as far as moving odds are concerned u just can't ignore them.for example if u select a horse and u are sure it will win but it's odd move from 1.5 to 7/1 for win will u play that horse with the same amount u had planned earlier.odds will always effect ur decision makking.do u bet blindly or u stand in the ring and look at the odds and then take the decision based on ur experience. What I mean to say is u cannot have a fixed handicapping system because other factors will effect ur decisions.
chanakya said ...On : 11-09-2020 11:24 am
@ RK Khatri,
In my opinion most of the races are run on merit and most of the races run in the world will have half or more of the field as 'also ran'. Many of these are run to keep them racing fit and or reduce their handicap. Stipes can do nothing about it...
@ R Venugopal,
I am unable to understand your points. Could you put them in shorter format...
Ask admin why I was absent...
@ Abhay singh,
Yes I've developed a system, base d on the five parameters enumerated in my ealier post and I'm winning regularly as can be seen by my wins during last Mumbi & Bangalore season truncated on 12march. I'v been winning regularly since the earlier decade as is shown on my blog how I won in 2006/7 by posting my selections on TurfParrot(now defunct). Agreed, a punter can not win everyday but can be a winner over a month or a season or a year. That is what is needed to remain in black.
A seasoned punter will never be swayed by moving odds or a khabar floated by interested parties - if he does he is not a seasoned punter and is bound to lose...
A genuine horselover goes to racecourse for entertainment and enjoyment. The moment he puts a tenner on a runner he gets converted to a punter and/or a gambler...
Anilxk said ...On : 11-09-2020 10:33 am
You are one of the most promint member in HT, so your valueble opinion will be accepted by many. In the world of horse racing handicapping system draw at the present form is emerged at victorian era. But it is followed by only one club that is RCTC. Hyderabad is following Southern hemisphere handicapping of USA, BTC following singapore type, and to master at all centres a person should study for more than 30 years, after that he will naturally lose hope and will left broken heart.
In my view (for eg, galwan clash. Chinese attacked Indian soldiers with small arms in a pre planned manner intially killing 20 odd our brave hearts, but Indian soldiers retalliated with a single point of revenge with out arms they created History, because all that Mind set is matters) there is no handicapping system can assess mood of horse or jockey . So what ever the assessment will stop at last 200 mtrs, and then only real capacity of horse and skill of jockey unveils. So allow everybody to make there own assessment as one day it will strike.
Abhay singh said ...On : 11-09-2020 08:23 am
@faizan as explained by our experienced handicappers that there are 5 to 6 major factors which u have to consider while selecting the winner.that is true.but there is one factor which is the biggest and that is whether the horse you have selected is being tried or not by the connections.this is where most of the handicapping will fail.most of the punters will say after the race ' I played the right horse but it was not tried'.
Odds are the best indicator and races are won on the board and not on the track.if one could read the movement of odds u will get some idea whether the horse is being tried or not . But this requires lots of experience.it can't be taught.one will not be right everytime but the strike rate will improve
krish said ...On : 11-09-2020 03:37 am
Well said Chanakya... its true
Punter said ...On : 10-09-2020 11:54 pm
Punter is king by default and racing has to be taken just as lottery or entertainment then we all will have no talks further just think of it. Genuine horse lovers.
Abhay singh said ...On : 10-09-2020 10:24 pm
It seems mr chanakya has developed some system to regularly be in plus. As far as my understanding of racing goes you can certenly win in races but not by developing any system but by ur handicapping and experience. To develop any kind of system which will work regularly is nest to impossible.there will be days when no handicapping will work like the last day in mumbai when majority of the punters will loose.
Every punter who is experienced has his own way of handicapping and looking at the race card. But there are very few percentage of punters who stick to there selection .majority of punters run behind khabars because most of the time they are not sure of there selection.
How much ever a good handicapper u may be but u will always get confused by the bookie odds and u will leave ur own selection and play some other horse.
chanakya said ...On : 10-09-2020 10:17 pm
Jagadeesh, vka & Faizan,
Handicapping system is a system or a method to analyse the runners of a race and find out the probability of the success of each of them
A good handicapping system is the one which gives BETTER ROI on equal investment as compared to other systems. A system which gives 30% ROI with only 20% wins is 'better' than the one which gives 20% ROI with 30% or more win percentage.
Unless a punter has an access to a good system he can not win big money. He can buy, beg,borrow or steal it - better still he can (create)develope it by using available data and information from the net.
Long ago , perhaps 20 or 25 years ago a writer on these forums has posted 100 parameters o be considered in handicapping a race. As I've no idea about his wellbeing or existence I'll refrain from commenting on his points.
In my opinion not more than 5 to 10 parameters are important to analyse a race to catch the eventual winner. In fact only 5 parameters are enough to analyse and reach a reasonable conclusion. They are - speed, current form, class,Consistency and weight ... (to be continued)
Try to logically formalise your thoughts and points...
What do you mean by 'elucidate' AND THEN YOU WILL REVERT. You need not to revert....
Einstein said ...On : 10-09-2020 07:59 pm
I had given up hope on you coming back to teach us the finer details of racing as promised earlier. I look forward to that and please don't keep keen learners waiting for long.
R Venugopal said ...On : 10-09-2020 07:06 pm
Hi Friends , I am using a type of betting strategy where I am seeing gain from past 3 yrs but this for whom having a real patience n have better knowledge over pedigree n the way horse running style n speed . I play for fun from centres like Mysore Delhi Kolkota Madras etc etc except Bangalore n Mumbai .. Fun means not more than 100rs per race .. ok now quality Centres like Mumbai n Bangalore have very good horses . I know Indian derby is for 2 mins and some seconds but for that like so many 3 yr old horses will start 8 months before for competition , here u will definitely get good horses .. I mean not predicting War hammer , like there r 3 yr old horses who will be board out in Juvenile or some Gr 3 but those horses r money making horses , go n see the records after that races every horse has won in races like normal class races , it may be class 4 or class 3 . I am be lengthy in explaination please .. so now u can play doubling strategy like u have to note that horse seperately n play win if u lose note down the money , n play same horse like investing lesser amt in win or place so that u will get double money out of that race but u have to wait for 3 weeks to play that horse , believe me this will work see u invest 1100 rs for win as a fav or like 5/1 if it loses don't worry next time u will get for 8/1 , here u can play place or win for lesser amt . So on an average u will get min 50 horses in one season . I can't explain much here . See when November season starts P Shroff will be very active in those 3 yr old horses if u have observed ,it's a testing process for him to get into derby , so his horses previously in 1200mtrs it has lose but when same horse he will try for 1600mtrs n above ..please play win because that horse is in testing process for derby , I have some 150 horses in mind ,but recent example like Akina speed star win for 200 rs above .. I played confidently for that because I was knowing previous runs may be pathetic but now it's ready so Shroff is testing for longer races . See now Bangalore classics will be there note down all horses competing in classics , after there path will change but they will win in there centres . I have told u only for 3 yr old horses untill they become 4 yr old horses . Trafalgar Agni n some horses were board out in Bangalore early seasons but after that see records how much they have won . So money u can gain with patience n please improvise in knowledge daily about pedigree , penetrometer , Trainer testing process . First 2 yrs u will be losing because of these knowledge about pedigree n all , but after that u will filter out some horses in every race by these knowledge . Friends it's a topic of discussion face to face n not by messaging . I don't know how to explain . Please all Punters don't stick on Jockey name or ur favs , please combine all matters , form n please please don't play all races . Good luck Punters .
rajesh kumar khatri said ...On : 10-09-2020 04:59 pm
first for races to run on meirt ,stiping should be genuine and tough then only the handicapping and merits of the horse can be taken itno consideration.because half the field will be no sayers and non triers.
amar said ...On : 10-09-2020 02:12 pm
Yes I agree. Somehave system that they get strayed as soon as they enter the course by hearsay. If you have a good system pls elusidate will give a thought and revert
Faizan said ...On : 10-09-2020 10:33 am
Hi all, dear @chankya can you tell us what's the good handicappe system to find out the winner .
In my point of view there is no system only gambling is there. If a trainer and owner want his horse to win or place he can come and if he didn't want then merit horse also out from placing.
vka said ...On : 10-09-2020 10:10 am
What do u mean by good handicapping system".
Many Racegoers (including me) are not aware of the strategic points which must be considered during handicapping, kindly give us some knowledge about that also.
I want to request all experts of handicapping on this form through this post that instead of giving the advice to follow some good system, kindly educate us from your knowledge bank, about handicapping.
What fillers must be considered & look after during picking the best horse for wagering?
Ranjan said ...On : 10-09-2020 05:53 am
Every now and rhen, this topic of the punter losing because of lack of knowledge and/or hard work keeps appearing in HorseTalk.
Please understand that 90% of the punters are always bound to lose.
Just consider the following facts:
1) The Turf clubs cannot lose money indefinitely.
2) If the Owners keep losing, they will just drift away from the racing industry.
3) The Stud Farms cannot lose money indefinitely.
So the only source of revenue for all these enterprises is the losing punter.
If the punting community is a net winner, where does the stake money for the races and all the sslaries of so many jockeys, syces, clerks come from?
So realise that it is only the losing punter who finances the whole industry.
Five percent of the punters might be making money (temporarily and even accidentally). The rest are destined to lose if the industry has to continue to thrive. The whole industry is actually a negative sum game (economic theory).
So this exercise to design a better system is futile.
JAGADEESH said ...On : 10-09-2020 05:42 am
Hi sir kindly explain the handicapping system to study the race card and pickup the selection .
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