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Epsom Derby

By The Joker | 05-Jun-2022

Hi folks

Loved the Epsome Derbwhat a superstar was unearthed both horse n rider. 

A journeyman rider who rode mostly for Michael Owen n Tom Dascombe, Richard Kingscote has come a long way. 

Previously he had one big classic win on Brown Panther in the Irish St Leger n having his second Derby ride having ridden last year in a minor meeting on Derby Day. 

The confidence Sir Stoute placed in him was repaid by a cool ride on Desert Crown. 

A note of appreciation for Sir Stoute who won his sixth Derby. 


The Joker

Ps yours sincerely got the winner n the quinella with Ho... 


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Wolfmoon said ...

On : 07-06-2022 10:51 am

Down to earth comments by Jockey Richard Kingskote touched me. He is always my fancy for many years and wondered why he got omitted by big racing houses.

He told it clear I will do my best as per situations not as per instructions framed.


Murari said ...

On : 06-06-2022 11:10 am

The very lovely Lady Carolyn tells me she watched the Derby with her husband John along with the Queen at Windsor Castle.

The equally charming John is Her Majesty's Bloodstock Advisor and Horseracing Manager. Her late father "Porchey" - Lord Porchester - was also a very close friend and Horseracing Advisor to the Queen.

Their son Jake will no doubt assume that role in due course with Prince William (his contemporary at Eton, along with Prince Harry). He has a good eye, picking out both "Royal Patronage" and this year's 1000 Guineas winner "Cachet" for not a lot of money at the Auctions.


The Joker said ...

On : 06-06-2022 07:07 am

Hi Rahul

Agree everywhere but in India


The Joker

Murari said ...

On : 06-06-2022 12:32 am

Rahul you are right. Horse, then Jockey. My betting tactics are more - play the Odds, not the Horse.

For example, an 'e/w' on a 25/1 (paying out 5/1 on half the stake on places 2-4) gives you 4x better chances than a 7/4 'win' bet on the favourite. And if it wins, a nice payout of 25/1 on half the stake plus the place payout.

Ok TJ, well done. That'll buy you a few curries. I am a little familiar with both "Royal Patronage", trained by Mark Johnston & Son (Sired by Coolmore's "Wootton Bassett", I missed the chance to get into it), and "Sonny Liston" (Sired by "Lawman")... both managed by two "up-market" Syndicate Managers that I know. 

The former a Group 3 winner if I recall correctly, purchased for really not very much at Book 2 of Tattersalls. But the Derby was a big jump up in class for both of them. 

"Westover" was impressing on the Gallops (Ralph has a very fine Yard), hence my choice.



Rahul said ...

On : 05-06-2022 09:31 pm

I have said this before in others threads and will repeat it again.


" Always back a horse ( with potential ) and not the rider " 

A champion jockey might finish on board with his riding skills on an average horse  but a good/ average jockey is good enough to take the champion horse past the post first .

The Joker said ...

On : 05-06-2022 05:28 pm

Hi murari

It paid rs 4795.90 for a tenner. I got approx 47960 bucks on 100

I yad a good 100 rs forecast on Desert Crown to  hoo ya mal, stone age, changing the guard, nahanni, Royal patronage n Sonny listen


The Joker

Murari said ...

On : 05-06-2022 01:01 pm

Yes the Jockey put it very graciously and elegantly. "I'm not a Champion Jockey. I'm not a Ryan Moore... I think it takes a lot for (the Connections) not to look elsewhere". Class.

Just out of interest TJ, how much did the Quinella pay out? (Very well done).