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Record Timing Set By Bold Command Is Incorrect

By Crypticblue | 15-Jan-2017
The official timer of the Bold Command does not work during the race, however, BTC records indicate the timing to be 1:23.78. In my opinion, this timing is FAST by about 0.24 seconds (not precise, but this is the least value, I clocked it at 1:24.06, fast by 0.28 seconds). This is a serious technical error on the part of BTC. Which effectively means, the earlier record of 1:23.87 set by Rhapsidion Snow should remain intact.

The video I timed was downloaded in mp4 format from www.bangaloreraces.com & runs at 25 fps, the standard value for all race videos.

I have written to BTC in this regard, but invariably there will be no response. Just like the umpteen number of time I've written to them in the past. I hope they take notice of this this and officially verify & notify this. Paddy has all the rights to reclaim the original record time.

Original credit to my friend from Mumbai, Dev, who pointed out this to me.

CB
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20 Replies

Glasgow Prince said ...

25-Jan-2017

@ Chanakya

Very true. The filly was laid off for the whole of the Pune season - brought out in Mumbai and won a race against no hopers as a red hot on money favourite. One smart boy had predicted that In My Dream will win a race in Pune season itself, it will beat a superior field and win superior stakes. Another smart boy had declared that it lost because of the connections, next run weight down and not odds on favourite she will simply run away.

Of course, the smart boys neither have the grace nor the humility to come here and eat their own words.

Glasgow Prince

Glasgow Prince said ...

22-Jan-2017

@ Chanakya

That's right. Nor do such people have the humility or the grace to come here and eat their own words.

Crypticblue said ...

21-Jan-2017
@Chankaya ji & GP sir,

Before writing this thread, I thought a lot about it. But still went ahead. Yes, both of you are right.

"Truth is so deep that it takes somebody with the same depth to understand it, and there are others who cannot see beyond the level they've never moved from" a quote says.

Here are a few quotes from my group on this thread:
"The response to your thread is so pathetic. Instead of finding out the truth those ****** are blurting out nonsense!"

"If they are ignorant, they either learn or do no comment. None wants to check the merits of the argument. Challenging each other has been the fad in these forums"

Hope to catch up with both of you over the Derby weekend!

CB

Chanakya said ...

21-Jan-2017

@G.P. and C.Blue,
Bravo – Glasgow Prince!
I was restraining , perhaps refraining myself to post my opinion. But you have forced me to say something which is crucial to Indian racing. I am a member of a US racing forum where people agree, disagree and argue their point of view. A healthy discussion follows. Here , funny pseudonyms appear and the disappear –never seen again; to pull down the point of view of ‘anybody’ to score some bronie points.
Racing is a big business – billions of dollars per year are won/lost. Immature remarks are thrown in the dustbin in EVERY OTHER SPHERE EXCEPT THIS GAME!!!
Here , in this GAME , these remarks are accepted , sometimes adored and BELIEVED by ignorant and dumb punters!
Stop educating them and wasting your time. I have done that!

Glasgow Prince said ...

20-Jan-2017
@Crypticblue

I am not writing about the merits or demerits of your post but just sharing my thoughts with you. If you are writing anything here with the idea that some readers may benefit, be prepared to be greeted only with brickbats……….there wouldn’t be any bouquets nor would there be any healthy discussion. I had written a post at the beginning of the Pune season regarding the loss of In My Dreams and I was told that I will have to eat my words, that it will hack a quality field in the very next outing. In My Dreams’ subsequent performances only vindicated my observations. It won a race which had no hopers as its rivals. If you wish to inform BTC or Paddy, it is better to write directly to them and rest your case. Writing anything serious on this forum is of no use……….you will get exhausted explaining yourself again and again to some of the readers here without success.I have!! After all, the ability to absorb new knowledge is not everybody’s cup of tea.

Glasgow Prince

Jp said ...

19-Jan-2017
Technology is man made and technology cannot escape reality. In that case who made your technology which was tested by you. Is it made by God?. When you have also used technology where is realty then ? I have observed in several videos do not show the timer on the right corner in BTC as well as RWITC web sites.The official timing cannot be challenged on downloaded video and timing it by whatever method using any world class technology since it is not actual and only stimulated. In F1 car racing 2 person from the same team , the cars with sophisticated gadgets /timers but the Official timer separated both and the dead heat couldn't be achieved.

Crypticblue said ...

19-Jan-2017
@Mad Max,

That was a rather lengthy, but a useless explanation. Instead, work on my challenge and get back to me. Or bask yourselves in the luxury of your ignorance.

I'm not questioning the technology used by these clubs. However, lets not forget, this very technology is man made, appreciate it but do not lessen the value of the human intellect behind it. Technology cannot escape reality.

Here is a simpler way of explaining this. Go to the BTC website, click on the videos for 7th Jan and watch them, you can download them and watch them on any of your video players too. For each race, look at the timer on the right hand top corner. The timer ticks off automatically EXCEPT for these two races. This, I'm afraid is an inadvertent glitch, or a malfunction. Trust me on that.

CB

Mad Max said ...

19-Jan-2017
@ Crypticblue
I am sorry to SFP as my previous lengthy letter addressed to him by mistake.
In fact it was actually addressed to CRYPTICBLUE. Sorry SFP.

Mad Max said ...

19-Jan-2017
@ SFP
You said... All 9 races of that day were downloaded from the BTC website, timed on a sophisticated video software..."

You say you timed on a sophisticated video software.... (Sophisticated means - of a machine, or a system, or a technique developed to a high degree of complexity. In Hindi it means ??????? ??? ?? ?????????? bauddhik roop se prabhavashali, ???? jaTil, ???????? pariShkaRat, etc. etc.)

Few years back one "Professional Tipster" raised same subject in one of his articles in a Mumbai paper and cited RWITC timings are not correct. He also used same language (sophisticated) about his "CHINESE MADE VIDEO PLAYER..." in which he replayed/analysed RWITC VIDEOS and questioned RWITC timings. He then received lot of flak (???? ?????? -kaDi Alochana) from the racing public.

Now you raised this complaint against BTC - another race club - that is the only difference. Your Video software may be ahead in development; complex or intricate; out from an advanced technology; or it has a sophisticated electronic timer system - even in your language it may be intellectually appealing, but in no way you can compare CHINESE VIDEO PLAYERS with the SYSTEMS and TECHNOLOGY used and managed by RACE CLUBS like BTC and RWITC.

Now what is FPS - Frame Per Second?
The human eye is capable of differentiating between 10 and 12 still images per second. That is, at an FPS of 12 or less, your brain can tell that its just a bunch of "still" images in rapid succession. Once the frame rate gets up to around 18 to 26 FPS, the motion effect actually takes effect and your brain is fooled into thinking that these individual images are actually a moving scene. Thus movies and videos are created. In film, motion blur occurs because you're really looking at a series of static images displayed in tiny amounts of time. That is, for a film run at 25 FPS, each frame will be onscreen for just 40 milliseconds (one-twenty-fifth of a second) and so when every one of those frames flashes, and there's a quick flash of blankness, and then a new frame, you'll get the effects of motion blur. BUT IT IS ESSENTIAL TO KNOW FIRST AT WHAT FRAME RATE THE MOVIES OR VIDEOS ARE SHOT AT? 24 FPS, 25 FPS OR 30 FPS..? A FILM SHOT AT 24 FRAMES PER SECOND IF REPLAYED IN A CHINESE VIDEO PLAYER SET AT 25 FPS - WONT SHOW EXACT DURATION OF TIMINGS. AND DON'T TRUST CHEAP VIDEO PLAYERS IN THE MARKET.

Today, we have three primary frame rate standards 24 fps (NTSC broadcasts), 25 fps (PAL/SEACOM broadcasts), and 30 fps is the de facto standard for home movies and personal camcorders.

My earnest appeal to horse racing enthusiasts like to Crypticblue is don't try to dig deep into such technical subjects unnecessarily and complicate punters life. Let the Race Clubs do their work and trust them totally. Otherwise quit from horse racing and provide us peace !

Crypticblue said ...

16-Jan-2017
Attention seekers will not get my replies for free. The last paragraph of my previous reply is reserved specifically for such mongers.

I'm done here unless someone is willing for a constructive debate.

Adios.

Jp said ...

16-Jan-2017
There was no hostile reaction. Your posting is hostile towards the record. Why this isolated test ? You will be surprised that the timing in the men paraolymics 1500 meters race was better than the regular Olympics timing.Then can you say that the timing was wrong.Taking that you are correct on what basis the club can accept your value as correct and your method of timing is approved by any standards. Whether you have brought such anomalies in this site.

Stop Fooling Punter said ...

16-Jan-2017
Some just love to write and than even refuse to accept what not one but all are saying.

I think you should quit racing at the earliest since you are not willing to Accept the race club time.

Racing is optional and once you enter accept it,but will you.


Your lack of knowledge shows when ask the owners of R IN snow t o go ahead and challenge ,they have better thing s in life than to listen to such hog wash.

Crypticblue said ...

16-Jan-2017
I fail to understand the reason behind the hostility hiding behind the replies/comments here. Quite ironical.

@Lalit,

Do you even know what fps stands for?

@JP
Your post 1/16/2017 4:58:15 PM
All 9 races of that day were downloaded from the BTC website, timed on a sophisticated video software. The timings of 7 races were almost a perfect match with those of BTC. Except the Bold Command one & another race, won by Ark Royal, which was also found to be fast by approximately 0.55 seconds.

My timer started exactly around the same time as the BTC timer starts as the gates open and ends at the exact point where it ends.

@All, like I've mentioned before, I challenge anyone to prove me wrong on this one. The ultimate ignorance is rejection of something you have now knowledge of. Stop your rantings and take me on.

CB

Jp said ...

16-Jan-2017
Bold Command's first win was on the same day when Quasar won. If you see the timing of BC and the manner of win it would have toyed with Quasar that day. Much was expected from this horse but it turned out to be a miler and now a 1400 meters specialist.

Jp said ...

16-Jan-2017
You have to prove that you are right by a) testing all the races held that day to know whether there was an error in the timer/timing
b) testing few other races the same way and arrive at the timing to prove your methodology is correct.
c) why you were so particular about this and whether you have tested for any other records broken?

Mad Max said ...

16-Jan-2017

The finishing time of Bold Command is absolutely correct.

Wait for this horse - Bold Command, one of the most improved horse in the circuit.

Lalit said ...

16-Jan-2017

What a joke. You timing a race at home the moment the gates opened and you are getting a different timing than the club. This is ridicolous. By the way how can you decide to run the race at 25 fps.

Crypticblue said ...

16-Jan-2017
@All, difficult to convince you guys. I throw an open challenge to anyone who can prove me wrong on this one.

The right to debate rests with all. The post was put up in a popular forum such as this was with an intention that the concerned authorities, or at least the owner & trainer of Rhapsidion Snow can take it up with BTC.

I have no axe to grind here, taking it in the right spirit or dumping it is up to you.

CB

Jp said ...

16-Jan-2017
Agreed that you have used some method to time the race by downloading.Whether you can equate the actual timing recorded by the club. How sure you are about the record by RS is correct? If there was an error now why not then? Whether you have done in several other races to corroborate your theory?The timing in races are electronically timed up to 3 decimal places. In case of dead heat it is given only when the timing are same up to 3 decimal places.You will observe that many will not agree with the photo result when the result is nose. This is decided more by 3 decimal timings.

Tarun said ...

16-Jan-2017

Even Mickey Mouse bettered the timing of Rhapsidion Snow in the same race. So what timing you give Mickey Mouse. Anyone at home can watch videos at any speed or player but in the end the timing the clock shows on race day is final. Sorry I disagree with you.