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By Raghavan | 18-Mar-2017
A senior person among horsetalk members, Chanakya jee stated (during Dec 2015) that it is possible to earn 10 lakhs from a start bet of 1000.
I am not that much of a fan or follower of Chanakya. Or for that matter any tipster either in this site or other one.
Now coming to the point, Chanakya suggested that he will give tips for 'eat' only. Nothing special about that. Only thing is myself a tote loyalist is excluded from being a 'eat' bettor. So Chanakya's tips hardly tempted me.
Well. Chanakya gave in a space of 10 days, 12 'eat' tips. He never gave the name of the horse to 'eat'. His standard format is favorites in race no 'x' , 'y' & 'z' may lose.
With due apologies to any of the Chanakya's followers, I say such wordings does not mean anything. For eg take the sample 'favorite in race no-2 may lose'.
To me it means favorite may not win. AND ALSO it means favorite may win.
It is a sad development that a senior member in this site has resorted to such dubious tricks & stunts to stay in limelight.
Thereafter he came out with a statement that he made one million and spent that amount for foreign trip.
Chanakya's statement stunned me. For a brief while I even wondered what harm it would have been if I also had risked that minimum 1000.
But going through his tips, odds & making a calculation from my side, I learnt that all such claim of million plus gain by Chanakya is a big lie. I am angry not because Chanakya indulged in such bluff but because he expected that all horsetalk members will believe this big lie.
I asked him repeatedly to give horsewise risks & returns. Realising that he has been cornered, Chanakya tried to wriggle out of the tight spot by using all sorts of stomewall tactics. He maintained that tips were given before race time, he earned & he spent! And, when I insisted that he should give win amount horsewise, I was replied with choice adjectives.
I give below his 'eat' tips and the bookie odds. Say opening bet (eat) Rs. 1000. Horsetalk members are requested to give their calculations and say whether it is theoretically possible to earn more than 10 lakhs by laying them.
1. Madame Sulthana . 2.00 (two to one) Bangalore 25/12/2015
2. Free style 95ps. Bangalore 25/12/2015
3. Top spot 2.50 Bangalore 25/12/2015
4. Tennessee 2.00 Mumbai 26/12/2015
5. Rain dance 1.80 Mumbai 26/12/2015
6. Ice gate 3.00 Mumbai 26/12/2015
7. Desert fox 2.50 Kolkata 26/12/2015
8. Duke of Earl 1.70 Kolkata 26/12/2015
9. Poll promise 90ps Hyderabad 28/12/2015
10. Enstatus elegans. 1.00 Mysore 30/12/2015
11. Haptic star 1.80 Bangalore 02/01/2016
12. Angelic Area 1.50 Bangalore 03/01/2016.
So, lay masters to work out how much it is theoretically possible to earn first by risking 1000 & then risking whatever returns he gets over the next horse.
I have nothing against Chanakya. But, really pity him. At his age he should have avoided making himself a laughing stock. I can also give calculations. But prefer that it should be from a 3rd party.
So I would like to see whether it is at least theoretically possible to earn 10 lakhs. Thereafter I will comment whether it is humanly possible to lay such big volume of money and extract 10 lakhs from the bookies.
I am not that much of a fan or follower of Chanakya. Or for that matter any tipster either in this site or other one.
Now coming to the point, Chanakya suggested that he will give tips for 'eat' only. Nothing special about that. Only thing is myself a tote loyalist is excluded from being a 'eat' bettor. So Chanakya's tips hardly tempted me.
Well. Chanakya gave in a space of 10 days, 12 'eat' tips. He never gave the name of the horse to 'eat'. His standard format is favorites in race no 'x' , 'y' & 'z' may lose.
With due apologies to any of the Chanakya's followers, I say such wordings does not mean anything. For eg take the sample 'favorite in race no-2 may lose'.
To me it means favorite may not win. AND ALSO it means favorite may win.
It is a sad development that a senior member in this site has resorted to such dubious tricks & stunts to stay in limelight.
Thereafter he came out with a statement that he made one million and spent that amount for foreign trip.
Chanakya's statement stunned me. For a brief while I even wondered what harm it would have been if I also had risked that minimum 1000.
But going through his tips, odds & making a calculation from my side, I learnt that all such claim of million plus gain by Chanakya is a big lie. I am angry not because Chanakya indulged in such bluff but because he expected that all horsetalk members will believe this big lie.
I asked him repeatedly to give horsewise risks & returns. Realising that he has been cornered, Chanakya tried to wriggle out of the tight spot by using all sorts of stomewall tactics. He maintained that tips were given before race time, he earned & he spent! And, when I insisted that he should give win amount horsewise, I was replied with choice adjectives.
I give below his 'eat' tips and the bookie odds. Say opening bet (eat) Rs. 1000. Horsetalk members are requested to give their calculations and say whether it is theoretically possible to earn more than 10 lakhs by laying them.
1. Madame Sulthana . 2.00 (two to one) Bangalore 25/12/2015
2. Free style 95ps. Bangalore 25/12/2015
3. Top spot 2.50 Bangalore 25/12/2015
4. Tennessee 2.00 Mumbai 26/12/2015
5. Rain dance 1.80 Mumbai 26/12/2015
6. Ice gate 3.00 Mumbai 26/12/2015
7. Desert fox 2.50 Kolkata 26/12/2015
8. Duke of Earl 1.70 Kolkata 26/12/2015
9. Poll promise 90ps Hyderabad 28/12/2015
10. Enstatus elegans. 1.00 Mysore 30/12/2015
11. Haptic star 1.80 Bangalore 02/01/2016
12. Angelic Area 1.50 Bangalore 03/01/2016.
So, lay masters to work out how much it is theoretically possible to earn first by risking 1000 & then risking whatever returns he gets over the next horse.
I have nothing against Chanakya. But, really pity him. At his age he should have avoided making himself a laughing stock. I can also give calculations. But prefer that it should be from a 3rd party.
So I would like to see whether it is at least theoretically possible to earn 10 lakhs. Thereafter I will comment whether it is humanly possible to lay such big volume of money and extract 10 lakhs from the bookies.
89 Replies
Manish said ...
27-Mar-2017
Bkd
R u proposing to make 2 lakhs in a single day. I think not. I hope that the contest will allow roll over till first loss.
R u proposing to make 2 lakhs in a single day. I think not. I hope that the contest will allow roll over till first loss.
Bkd Cos Team said ...
27-Mar-2017
@ Manish,
You start with an initial capital(Loan) of 2000 and start building on this amount to as high as possible, in the 6 days of TREASURE HUNTING.
WIN ROLLS would be the most preferred way of multiplying the initial amount, provided of course you are lucky.
If you fail to capitalise on your gains and fall back to 0, you can still take a fresh loan of 2K and start all over again.
You get 5 opportunities in 6 days to build your fortune.
All the best!
BKD COS TEAM
You start with an initial capital(Loan) of 2000 and start building on this amount to as high as possible, in the 6 days of TREASURE HUNTING.
WIN ROLLS would be the most preferred way of multiplying the initial amount, provided of course you are lucky.
If you fail to capitalise on your gains and fall back to 0, you can still take a fresh loan of 2K and start all over again.
You get 5 opportunities in 6 days to build your fortune.
All the best!
BKD COS TEAM
Manish said ...
27-Mar-2017
Bkd
R u proposing to make 2 lakhs in a single day. I think not. I hope that the contest will allow roll over till first loss.
R u proposing to make 2 lakhs in a single day. I think not. I hope that the contest will allow roll over till first loss.
Bkd said ...
26-Mar-2017
Hi Santosh & Rakesh Menon,
Appreciate your views about the mini PTR contest.
However, in absence of an initial lump-sum kitty of 5Lacs/ 10Lacs, as integral in the earlier PTR's, it would be quite futile to expect that all the contestants starting from a base of 2000 only (the whole sum has also to be consumed and no carry over is permitted), would be able to build up their fortunes upto 2 lacs, in their first and only attempt; and in case they were to fail, they would be out of the game!
Such a draconian restriction might be deemed as 'non-friendly' and there would be no interest left in the game, once a contestant is out of it.
So unless, one has multiple opportunities to showcase their betting skills, the contest will not gather any momentum and will become a damp squib in no time.
Even Mr Raghavan, one of our erstwhile founders of the original PTR, has accepted the merit of a contestant's're-entry' in this modified version.
Perhaps, the trial run proposed , would give us more insight. Until then.
Cheers!
BKD
Appreciate your views about the mini PTR contest.
However, in absence of an initial lump-sum kitty of 5Lacs/ 10Lacs, as integral in the earlier PTR's, it would be quite futile to expect that all the contestants starting from a base of 2000 only (the whole sum has also to be consumed and no carry over is permitted), would be able to build up their fortunes upto 2 lacs, in their first and only attempt; and in case they were to fail, they would be out of the game!
Such a draconian restriction might be deemed as 'non-friendly' and there would be no interest left in the game, once a contestant is out of it.
So unless, one has multiple opportunities to showcase their betting skills, the contest will not gather any momentum and will become a damp squib in no time.
Even Mr Raghavan, one of our erstwhile founders of the original PTR, has accepted the merit of a contestant's're-entry' in this modified version.
Perhaps, the trial run proposed , would give us more insight. Until then.
Cheers!
BKD
Rakesh Menon said ...
25-Mar-2017
Strictly no re entry because once capitol is gone its gone case..thats my only suggesetion..
Bkd-team Ptr said ...
25-Mar-2017
Hi All,
Due to unavoidable circumstances, the launch of the new PTR contest is being slightly delayed. We are trying our best to resolve the differences.
Please await further notifications in this regard.
Regret inconvenience caused, if any.
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@ Rakesh,
Please bear with us a little longer. We are trying to expedite matters.
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I will keep you all posted of fresh developments. Please check this thread later this evening.
Thanks & Regards,
BKD
Due to unavoidable circumstances, the launch of the new PTR contest is being slightly delayed. We are trying our best to resolve the differences.
Please await further notifications in this regard.
Regret inconvenience caused, if any.
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@ Rakesh,
Please bear with us a little longer. We are trying to expedite matters.
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I will keep you all posted of fresh developments. Please check this thread later this evening.
Thanks & Regards,
BKD
Libero said ...
25-Mar-2017
Dear BKD ji
one suggestion, call it as Mini PTR or some other name, as PTR the brand should stay on and we can renew it with Bangalore Summer season with added guidelines and suggestions we get from this new contest to be started for the 8 remaining meetings
Regards
Santhosh
PS: Many suggested that no restriction of participation, if so there will be added advantage for a person joining in last day. We can keep a minimum participation of 10 days for any new season and also there should be restricted betting and don't think minimum of 1000points to be used on one horse, it can be reduced to 500 points as was done previously. Strictly No re-entry please (These are strictly my opinion)
one suggestion, call it as Mini PTR or some other name, as PTR the brand should stay on and we can renew it with Bangalore Summer season with added guidelines and suggestions we get from this new contest to be started for the 8 remaining meetings
Regards
Santhosh
PS: Many suggested that no restriction of participation, if so there will be added advantage for a person joining in last day. We can keep a minimum participation of 10 days for any new season and also there should be restricted betting and don't think minimum of 1000points to be used on one horse, it can be reduced to 500 points as was done previously. Strictly No re-entry please (These are strictly my opinion)
Rakesh said ...
25-Mar-2017
@aBKD-TEAM PTR
I'm glad to sponsor any gift from online sources to top 3 winners as u told....Please help me find any good gifts from Online within the range of Prize amount as am little weak in Online shopping.... as I told u earlier, I can transfer amt to Team PTR directly.... and u can gift them...Give me a confirmation today by race time itself....
@HTadmin
I request you to approve this sponsor of gift to winners of the Contest... If it is well within rules n regulations of HT indiarace.. Please Let me know confirmation by todays first race.
Thanku
I'm glad to sponsor any gift from online sources to top 3 winners as u told....Please help me find any good gifts from Online within the range of Prize amount as am little weak in Online shopping.... as I told u earlier, I can transfer amt to Team PTR directly.... and u can gift them...Give me a confirmation today by race time itself....
@HTadmin
I request you to approve this sponsor of gift to winners of the Contest... If it is well within rules n regulations of HT indiarace.. Please Let me know confirmation by todays first race.
Thanku
Bkd-team Ptr said ...
24-Mar-2017
Hello Everybody,
Great decision and consensus to kick-start the contest right away!
Accordingly, I have posted the Rules & Conditions in a New thread, with a request to all contestants to use the same thread for posting their bettings for the day.
@ Rakesh,
Very fine gesture from your end to sponsor the prizes! Well appreciated.
There will however be no cash prizes as this would go against HT's Admin policy. You may however, sponsor gifts of equivalent value, from online stores such as Flipcart,Amazon etc.
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Trust HT Admin will approve this matter immediately.
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Thanking you,
Best Regards,
BKD-TEAM PTR
cc: HT Admin..We seek your kind cooperation and blessings, as always.
cc: SK Sagar, Raghavan, Ramiyer, SK, Doc, Rakesh Menon, Libero,Srikanth & Anuj.
Your help and assistance, besides cordinating the efforts of all contestants
would be most appreciated whereas, any shortcomings may be pardoned. Thank you.
Great decision and consensus to kick-start the contest right away!
Accordingly, I have posted the Rules & Conditions in a New thread, with a request to all contestants to use the same thread for posting their bettings for the day.
@ Rakesh,
Very fine gesture from your end to sponsor the prizes! Well appreciated.
There will however be no cash prizes as this would go against HT's Admin policy. You may however, sponsor gifts of equivalent value, from online stores such as Flipcart,Amazon etc.
--------------------------------------------------
Trust HT Admin will approve this matter immediately.
--------------------------------------------------
Thanking you,
Best Regards,
BKD-TEAM PTR
cc: HT Admin..We seek your kind cooperation and blessings, as always.
cc: SK Sagar, Raghavan, Ramiyer, SK, Doc, Rakesh Menon, Libero,Srikanth & Anuj.
Your help and assistance, besides cordinating the efforts of all contestants
would be most appreciated whereas, any shortcomings may be pardoned. Thank you.
Raghavan said ...
24-Mar-2017
@Prem,
Many many thanks for the trouble you have taken.
In the first instance you arrived at 3,16 lakh cb without giving any consideration to the bookies' margin. Even then, the final figure arrived at was much lower than 10 lakhs. Now, after increasing the starting risk to 2200, and giving consideration to the bookies margin of 10% you have arrived at final figure of 4.92 lakhs.
Regarding your profit work sheet in the first instance, Chanakya suggested that the final figure should be multiplied by 4.4. Let us see what new factor he will suggest now.
I do not venture 'eat' bet. I only play at tote for win, shp, place. And the beauty is I will lose all my bets.
Stop fooling punter tried to downplay my losses by stating that I am a daily loser. But, I think, his statement deserves a small modification or improvement. I am not daily loser. I am a loser in every race. I have not won even a single place,shp or win bet so far in over 35 years of betting. Daily entering the race course with loads of currency, bet in all races, lose in all races and walk home with not even a 'phooti kowdee' and again come back next day to repeat the process. So while walking back to home, I have to swipe my debit card, draw 15/- or 20/- to buy one cup coffee. That is what I am telling from day 1. So, Stop fooling punter has not done a great discovery in pointing out my losses. I never claim that I have won. So, SFP can hereafter make an approximate guess about my daily losses and post that in this site. I do not know about others. But in my case 'daily loser' is a too abstract term and horsetalk members can improve his statement by giving tangible figures.
But so far, I have not seen one post from 'stop fooling punter' challenging your calculations, Nor he has came with his own calculations to refute yours. Let us see How Chanakya will extricate himself from the mess he has landed.
Very much thankful Prem jee, for speaking about the bookie's reluctance to take bet indiscrimately. They will allot a small budget for doing business with 'eat' masters. Now, Chanakya has to sort out another confusion. He has to prove not only the 10 lakh gain, but also has to convince the members here that there were bookies who were ready to take his 'eat' bets in big volume.
Many many thanks for the trouble you have taken.
In the first instance you arrived at 3,16 lakh cb without giving any consideration to the bookies' margin. Even then, the final figure arrived at was much lower than 10 lakhs. Now, after increasing the starting risk to 2200, and giving consideration to the bookies margin of 10% you have arrived at final figure of 4.92 lakhs.
Regarding your profit work sheet in the first instance, Chanakya suggested that the final figure should be multiplied by 4.4. Let us see what new factor he will suggest now.
I do not venture 'eat' bet. I only play at tote for win, shp, place. And the beauty is I will lose all my bets.
Stop fooling punter tried to downplay my losses by stating that I am a daily loser. But, I think, his statement deserves a small modification or improvement. I am not daily loser. I am a loser in every race. I have not won even a single place,shp or win bet so far in over 35 years of betting. Daily entering the race course with loads of currency, bet in all races, lose in all races and walk home with not even a 'phooti kowdee' and again come back next day to repeat the process. So while walking back to home, I have to swipe my debit card, draw 15/- or 20/- to buy one cup coffee. That is what I am telling from day 1. So, Stop fooling punter has not done a great discovery in pointing out my losses. I never claim that I have won. So, SFP can hereafter make an approximate guess about my daily losses and post that in this site. I do not know about others. But in my case 'daily loser' is a too abstract term and horsetalk members can improve his statement by giving tangible figures.
But so far, I have not seen one post from 'stop fooling punter' challenging your calculations, Nor he has came with his own calculations to refute yours. Let us see How Chanakya will extricate himself from the mess he has landed.
Very much thankful Prem jee, for speaking about the bookie's reluctance to take bet indiscrimately. They will allot a small budget for doing business with 'eat' masters. Now, Chanakya has to sort out another confusion. He has to prove not only the 10 lakh gain, but also has to convince the members here that there were bookies who were ready to take his 'eat' bets in big volume.
Ramiyer said ...
24-Mar-2017
Dear BKD.
It is a good idea to start this PTR on a trail basis from tomorrow onwars before fine tuning the same for the coming season ahead.PTR and COS contests came to end abruptly ,except the one hoisted by Sagarji on selected classic days.It will be a tribute to the founder of PTR if we continue with the same name.Orelse as a master you can rename as you had named mom contests.Hoping that you will revert to a new thread possibly by night so that everybody can post the same by night.Thank you.
It is a good idea to start this PTR on a trail basis from tomorrow onwars before fine tuning the same for the coming season ahead.PTR and COS contests came to end abruptly ,except the one hoisted by Sagarji on selected classic days.It will be a tribute to the founder of PTR if we continue with the same name.Orelse as a master you can rename as you had named mom contests.Hoping that you will revert to a new thread possibly by night so that everybody can post the same by night.Thank you.
Confused P said ...
24-Mar-2017Dear Prem and SVP,
The Simple idea is whey you Lay a bet with a bookie or another person, YOU and are bookie and the other person is the PUNTER, in this case the tax you collect depends on how much THEY ARE WILLING TO PAY. So you cannot arrive at a correct figure.
Anyways, That issue has long lost its 50+ posts of fame !! Kindly Move on !!
Please give some ideas to the proposed new format of contest proposed by seniors.
So Let us Shift To
"2K to 2L"
Regards
Regards
Regards.
Svp said ...
24-Mar-2017
@ Prem & Other " Lay " Specialists
My understanding is that if you eat Madame Sultana for 1000 and if Madame Sultana loses, your end of the day balance is only 2000. But if Madame Sultana wins, you have to pay bookie 2200.
I have never eaten horses so I do not know. Question is only for sake of correct understanding.
My understanding is that if you eat Madame Sultana for 1000 and if Madame Sultana loses, your end of the day balance is only 2000. But if Madame Sultana wins, you have to pay bookie 2200.
I have never eaten horses so I do not know. Question is only for sake of correct understanding.
Raghavan said ...
24-Mar-2017
@BKD,
" No re-entry" was only a suggestion from my side. That was how I used to run the game. Anyway, also agree that the rule is too rigid.
But, as I see, your views look more player friendly and more realistic. So, fully agree to your idea of giving additional chance to the player.
Thanks for the reply.
" No re-entry" was only a suggestion from my side. That was how I used to run the game. Anyway, also agree that the rule is too rigid.
But, as I see, your views look more player friendly and more realistic. So, fully agree to your idea of giving additional chance to the player.
Thanks for the reply.
Prem said ...
24-Mar-2017Revised calculations
pls note bookies will allow bookies to eat with 10 % margin. a even money bet can be layed at 1.10 only
for 3 to 1 odds , bookies will not entertain lay bets aboove 10k.
madame sultana eat 1000 rs risk 2200 - end of race BALANCE 3200
free style eat @ .95 3300 = BAL 6500
top spot 2.50 so theoritically eat 2600 only. BAL 9100
tenessee @ 2 - eat 4500.. BAL 13600
rain dance @1.8 - 7500... BAL 21100
ice gate @ 3 - 7000 - BAL 28100
desert fox @ 2.5 - 11000 - BAL 28200
duke of earl @ 1.7 - 16500 - BAL 45450
poll promise - eat @ .90 - 50000 - BAL 95450
enstatus elegans - eat @ 1 - 95000 190450
haptic star - eat @ 1.8 - 105000 - BAL 295450
angelia area-eat @ 1.5 - 197000 - 492450
Rakesh said ...
24-Mar-2017
Hii all
Its good to know about the new PTR contest.... I would be happy if you could start it these last 8 runnings of Mumbai..... As a matter of interest and support.. to bring out the best talent...... I wish to sponsor the first 3 winners(top 3 scorers) with gift prize just as a means of encouragement and increase participation....
Winner.... 10000 rs
2nd top scorer... 6000 rs
3rd top scorer... 4000 rs...
This is for this last 8 runnings of Mumbai
I can transfer to any of the winners any time after the results of contest or even before the start to any neutral judge.. as per ur request..
Let me know if you are interested..
Thank u...
Its good to know about the new PTR contest.... I would be happy if you could start it these last 8 runnings of Mumbai..... As a matter of interest and support.. to bring out the best talent...... I wish to sponsor the first 3 winners(top 3 scorers) with gift prize just as a means of encouragement and increase participation....
Winner.... 10000 rs
2nd top scorer... 6000 rs
3rd top scorer... 4000 rs...
This is for this last 8 runnings of Mumbai
I can transfer to any of the winners any time after the results of contest or even before the start to any neutral judge.. as per ur request..
Let me know if you are interested..
Thank u...
Bkd said ...
23-Mar-2017
@ RAGHAVAN,
Many thanks for your good wishes in reference to the proposed new Contest.
The points as raised by you, except for the Re-entry clause, are largely acceptable and would be implemented in toto.
Re-entry, by availing of a FRESH BANK LOAN of 2K/race meeting, would have to be an integral part of the contest, because there is no provision for a separate lumpsum kitty, as in the erstwhile PTR.
Further, 2K would be the minimum betting level per day with an option of 1K/ pool.
Please understand that a contestant might happen to lose the entire day's kitty of 2K on his very first attempt, and then they would have been permanently out of this game?? Doesn't sound very practical or encouraging! Does it?
Hence, our purpose is to provide a contender with a number of opportunities, to enable him to showcase his betting skills, with a view to achieve the individual target of 2 lacs, within the shortest possible period.
At best, we could reduce the opportunities from 25 to a lesser number...say 10
Look at it this way Raghavan,...in reality too, if one happens to lose his kitty on Day-1, he will surely arrange for funds on the next day and so on.
That's how we 'incorrigible' gamblers are. It's ingrained in our very psyche!
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@ ARPEE & ANUJ,
Excellent idea! If the contestants please, they would be most welcome to pen a few lines justifying their choice....but the moot point is, whether they will have the time or the inclination to do so?
The selection rationale can of course be part of the Selection thread.
Offering a 'bonus' to incentivise their detailing, may not fit in the contest scenario.
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@ RAMIYER, SKUMAR, DOC, LIBERO, SRIKANT and ALL,
Friends, I'm already excited with the thought of starting this new PTR Contest!
We have 8 more meetings in the ongoing Mumbai season. Would you like to go for a TRIAL-RUN covering these 8 meetings, with a new set of truncated rules?
I'm game, as always!
Request your views asap, since the next Mumbai meeting is on 26th March i.e just 2 days away.
Cheers!
BKD
Many thanks for your good wishes in reference to the proposed new Contest.
The points as raised by you, except for the Re-entry clause, are largely acceptable and would be implemented in toto.
Re-entry, by availing of a FRESH BANK LOAN of 2K/race meeting, would have to be an integral part of the contest, because there is no provision for a separate lumpsum kitty, as in the erstwhile PTR.
Further, 2K would be the minimum betting level per day with an option of 1K/ pool.
Please understand that a contestant might happen to lose the entire day's kitty of 2K on his very first attempt, and then they would have been permanently out of this game?? Doesn't sound very practical or encouraging! Does it?
Hence, our purpose is to provide a contender with a number of opportunities, to enable him to showcase his betting skills, with a view to achieve the individual target of 2 lacs, within the shortest possible period.
At best, we could reduce the opportunities from 25 to a lesser number...say 10
Look at it this way Raghavan,...in reality too, if one happens to lose his kitty on Day-1, he will surely arrange for funds on the next day and so on.
That's how we 'incorrigible' gamblers are. It's ingrained in our very psyche!
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@ ARPEE & ANUJ,
Excellent idea! If the contestants please, they would be most welcome to pen a few lines justifying their choice....but the moot point is, whether they will have the time or the inclination to do so?
The selection rationale can of course be part of the Selection thread.
Offering a 'bonus' to incentivise their detailing, may not fit in the contest scenario.
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@ RAMIYER, SKUMAR, DOC, LIBERO, SRIKANT and ALL,
Friends, I'm already excited with the thought of starting this new PTR Contest!
We have 8 more meetings in the ongoing Mumbai season. Would you like to go for a TRIAL-RUN covering these 8 meetings, with a new set of truncated rules?
I'm game, as always!
Request your views asap, since the next Mumbai meeting is on 26th March i.e just 2 days away.
Cheers!
BKD
Skumar said ...
23-Mar-2017
@ ARPEE / ANUJ Ji / Raghavan JI/ Manish / @ The DOC...
Noted all your Comments and Observations and Suggestions and we have good amount of time to conclude on the way forward and lets discuss and put it forward for a collective decision.
Come on Folks ...To do all that we need to depart from this Thread....Lets park it and leave it to the summer heat....
SO---------------------------------------> A full stop and Nothin More---Here
Regards
SK
Noted all your Comments and Observations and Suggestions and we have good amount of time to conclude on the way forward and lets discuss and put it forward for a collective decision.
Come on Folks ...To do all that we need to depart from this Thread....Lets park it and leave it to the summer heat....
SO---------------------------------------> A full stop and Nothin More---Here
Regards
SK
Skumar said ...
23-Mar-2017
@ BKD Ji,
Pls copy paste the proposed contest from you in new thread ...as it is lost in a real patient who urgently requires a Psychiatric Treatment...I have discussed the same with our own @ The Doc....He says the treatment is available in USA only...
Infact my whatsapp is full of this hero's heroics yesteryear's ala what he has done in two different spanning 140 plus NON sense stuff.
In any case , a person who has some illness of this nature, his posts and abusive language are not at all legally tenable .......
ALL HT'ians , Lock stock and Barrel, let us move to new thread and let us put some thoughts on the way forward..
BKD JI, apropos my note below :- this contest shall be part of COS Umbrella and let us not put it as PTR...I have spoken to the original founder of the PTR contest and owing to computer problem at his place he is unable to put a note to you and hence requested me to do so....whilst the opinion of Sanjay Ji and many others are also same....
After Srikanth Ji's current health status wherein he is not able to devote time as much as he used to do on the computer he desires that the PTR contests be left out of the COS contest and would like Shri Sagar Ji to be the legitimate user of this term PTR and contests therein , as he is fondly attached to Sagar Saab and he has infact worked with him on the roll outs as well as being a guardian of the same.
I sincerely trust and hope that you shall take into consideration of the above desire and request and at the same time Please open a new thread so that all discussions shall take place there thus moving from the Madman's Paradise which shall be left it to him as his property.
Common sense :- Should prevail not on all of us ....but on this person who was a perennial issue in HT long long back also but owing to some discontinuance of Medicines I suppose , the issue has got aggravated and Now GOD is the only remedy to him as he is banking 1000 Ka 1 Million to get his treatment done in USA which is Not Possible through this Sport....
Raghavan Ji and Others :- Lets park this permanently and pls no more in this thread please....
I pity Shriman Ramiyer ...Had he not initially come in and vouched this on a single Occassion which he did , This Saga would have ended long back and the Popularity of Ram has been Grossly Misused by him ..... I presume Ram Regrets this of having he coming into the subject.......
@ Admin :- Lets Park this permanently and Request you look into the same and Request your cooperation in this regard....No more PLS on this USELESS-TIME WASTING and IRRITATING and IRRELEVANT Subject of this ERA and YUGA......Thanks a Ton as always to you...Regards--SK
Pls copy paste the proposed contest from you in new thread ...as it is lost in a real patient who urgently requires a Psychiatric Treatment...I have discussed the same with our own @ The Doc....He says the treatment is available in USA only...
Infact my whatsapp is full of this hero's heroics yesteryear's ala what he has done in two different spanning 140 plus NON sense stuff.
In any case , a person who has some illness of this nature, his posts and abusive language are not at all legally tenable .......
ALL HT'ians , Lock stock and Barrel, let us move to new thread and let us put some thoughts on the way forward..
BKD JI, apropos my note below :- this contest shall be part of COS Umbrella and let us not put it as PTR...I have spoken to the original founder of the PTR contest and owing to computer problem at his place he is unable to put a note to you and hence requested me to do so....whilst the opinion of Sanjay Ji and many others are also same....
After Srikanth Ji's current health status wherein he is not able to devote time as much as he used to do on the computer he desires that the PTR contests be left out of the COS contest and would like Shri Sagar Ji to be the legitimate user of this term PTR and contests therein , as he is fondly attached to Sagar Saab and he has infact worked with him on the roll outs as well as being a guardian of the same.
I sincerely trust and hope that you shall take into consideration of the above desire and request and at the same time Please open a new thread so that all discussions shall take place there thus moving from the Madman's Paradise which shall be left it to him as his property.
Common sense :- Should prevail not on all of us ....but on this person who was a perennial issue in HT long long back also but owing to some discontinuance of Medicines I suppose , the issue has got aggravated and Now GOD is the only remedy to him as he is banking 1000 Ka 1 Million to get his treatment done in USA which is Not Possible through this Sport....
Raghavan Ji and Others :- Lets park this permanently and pls no more in this thread please....
I pity Shriman Ramiyer ...Had he not initially come in and vouched this on a single Occassion which he did , This Saga would have ended long back and the Popularity of Ram has been Grossly Misused by him ..... I presume Ram Regrets this of having he coming into the subject.......
@ Admin :- Lets Park this permanently and Request you look into the same and Request your cooperation in this regard....No more PLS on this USELESS-TIME WASTING and IRRITATING and IRRELEVANT Subject of this ERA and YUGA......Thanks a Ton as always to you...Regards--SK
Raghavan said ...
23-Mar-2017
@BKD/Skumar and others,
It is a real pleasure to see the keen interest you are showing towards the skill contest.
I convey my good wishes to the proposed contest. The PTR game ran successfully for many years. I had the pleasure to run the contest for nearly three years.
So, I am more than pleased to see that you are all planning to start a fresh contest. I sincerely expect that all horsetalk member who are doing a great job by giving their selections and also those who are not giving any choices participate in the contest.
I am having some fixations. Submitting the same for your consideration. If you feel that they are too rigid, then by all means you can over rule that.
1. There should be no provision for re-entry under any circumstances.
2. The players should give their choices. Around 1/2 hour or 1 hour before the scheduled start of 1st race. No corrections under any circumstances. Even if the choice they gave is withdrawn.
3. The players must give their progressive score preferably at the end of each day of racing. If not feasible, they should post their progressive score once in three days at least.
BEST WISHES.
It is a real pleasure to see the keen interest you are showing towards the skill contest.
I convey my good wishes to the proposed contest. The PTR game ran successfully for many years. I had the pleasure to run the contest for nearly three years.
So, I am more than pleased to see that you are all planning to start a fresh contest. I sincerely expect that all horsetalk member who are doing a great job by giving their selections and also those who are not giving any choices participate in the contest.
I am having some fixations. Submitting the same for your consideration. If you feel that they are too rigid, then by all means you can over rule that.
1. There should be no provision for re-entry under any circumstances.
2. The players should give their choices. Around 1/2 hour or 1 hour before the scheduled start of 1st race. No corrections under any circumstances. Even if the choice they gave is withdrawn.
3. The players must give their progressive score preferably at the end of each day of racing. If not feasible, they should post their progressive score once in three days at least.
BEST WISHES.
Raghavan said ...
23-Mar-2017
@Chanakya,
"I am not going to respond"!
Right. After more than one year, you came on this site and stated that you made 10 lakhs the previous year and used that money for your trip to USA.
Your claim appeared a big lie. So, I asked you to give the horse name, odds, the risk you took on every horse, the returns to establish that on paper at least it is possible to earn more than 10 lakh.
You had no answer. And, all your protestation did not help. The bad language you employed made a serious damage to your character and personality.
You started harping on my losses. Perhaps, you expected that I will go on defensive. That, I will try to downplay my losses. Got the biggest jolt when I admitted that I am a loser not only till now, but I will be losing several times over in the remaining days of my stay on this planet.
O K. If you are not responding that is no problem to me. If you are responding, that is also no problem to me. Decision is yours. If you use bad words in your response, that portion will be returned to the sender.
Whether you respond or not respond is not a problem to me. I have exposed your lie. That is more than sufficient to me.
"I am not going to respond"!
Right. After more than one year, you came on this site and stated that you made 10 lakhs the previous year and used that money for your trip to USA.
Your claim appeared a big lie. So, I asked you to give the horse name, odds, the risk you took on every horse, the returns to establish that on paper at least it is possible to earn more than 10 lakh.
You had no answer. And, all your protestation did not help. The bad language you employed made a serious damage to your character and personality.
You started harping on my losses. Perhaps, you expected that I will go on defensive. That, I will try to downplay my losses. Got the biggest jolt when I admitted that I am a loser not only till now, but I will be losing several times over in the remaining days of my stay on this planet.
O K. If you are not responding that is no problem to me. If you are responding, that is also no problem to me. Decision is yours. If you use bad words in your response, that portion will be returned to the sender.
Whether you respond or not respond is not a problem to me. I have exposed your lie. That is more than sufficient to me.
Anuj said ...
23-Mar-2017
BKD that is what I like about you.
I am also open to a small write up to help many [please add bonus points for such writers if it comes[naturally]
i always read the write ups written here by few. Hunter Anushree Dharmesh to name a few
Doc welcome back and let bygones be bygones.
To the 3 writers here please enough is enough.let us get down t o some good punting.
Sadly no more mud left for you all to fling it
I am also open to a small write up to help many [please add bonus points for such writers if it comes[naturally]
i always read the write ups written here by few. Hunter Anushree Dharmesh to name a few
Doc welcome back and let bygones be bygones.
To the 3 writers here please enough is enough.let us get down t o some good punting.
Sadly no more mud left for you all to fling it
Chanakya said ...
23-Mar-2017
@ all,
I am not going to respond to anyone. But SKumar who runs some competitive 'virtual' contest/(S) jumps in the the 'fray' is really surprising. What he's got to do here? To help his 'bruised' friend? He should open a new thread and post his ideas there -should be a common sense response. Does he have- I doubt?
He writes:
'
"Now after more than a year......
I am not going to respond to anyone. But SKumar who runs some competitive 'virtual' contest/(S) jumps in the the 'fray' is really surprising. What he's got to do here? To help his 'bruised' friend? He should open a new thread and post his ideas there -should be a common sense response. Does he have- I doubt?
He writes:
'
"Now after more than a year......
Arpee said ...
23-Mar-2017
@BKD, S.Kumar and Others,
Thank you all for initiating this new contest and also appreciate your efforts put by you all.I would suggest certain changes,which may be incorporated,in case it meets your approval.
1.As suggested by Manish and Anuj,attendance for every meet should not be made compulsory.However,to discourage the same,a penalty may be levied in the final tally.
2.A seperate score sheet for Win, SHP, and place be recorded and posted.This will be a true indicator of performance,rather than the winning amount or tally.For example,someone who has posted ,say ten correct winners,most of which may be favorites or 2nd,3rd favorites may find himself way behind someone who has posted one or two flukes with higher odds.This would be unfair to the consistent good performer and probably decreasing his interest in the contest, thereby followers of such a member will be the losers.Hopefully, you will find a way to address this issue.
3.Good tipsters in this forum and there are quite a few may be encouraged to give their reasons for their choices,which will be beneficial to others in finalising their choices. It is a fact that certain critical information would have escaped the attention of someone in their hurried study leading to making wrong bets.
4.Let the contest also become a sort of education in matters of racing ,thereby the interests of all members being consistent throughout.
5.Lastly,further posts in this contest may be posted under a new heading to avoid confusion:the earlier posts related to the contest may be re-posted there.
Lastly a quote from Sri Aurobindo: Avoid vain disputing;but exchange views freely.If dispute thou must,learn from thy adversary;for even from a fool,if thou listen not with the ear and the reasoning mind but the soul's light,thou canst gather much wisdom.
Regards.
Thank you all for initiating this new contest and also appreciate your efforts put by you all.I would suggest certain changes,which may be incorporated,in case it meets your approval.
1.As suggested by Manish and Anuj,attendance for every meet should not be made compulsory.However,to discourage the same,a penalty may be levied in the final tally.
2.A seperate score sheet for Win, SHP, and place be recorded and posted.This will be a true indicator of performance,rather than the winning amount or tally.For example,someone who has posted ,say ten correct winners,most of which may be favorites or 2nd,3rd favorites may find himself way behind someone who has posted one or two flukes with higher odds.This would be unfair to the consistent good performer and probably decreasing his interest in the contest, thereby followers of such a member will be the losers.Hopefully, you will find a way to address this issue.
3.Good tipsters in this forum and there are quite a few may be encouraged to give their reasons for their choices,which will be beneficial to others in finalising their choices. It is a fact that certain critical information would have escaped the attention of someone in their hurried study leading to making wrong bets.
4.Let the contest also become a sort of education in matters of racing ,thereby the interests of all members being consistent throughout.
5.Lastly,further posts in this contest may be posted under a new heading to avoid confusion:the earlier posts related to the contest may be re-posted there.
Lastly a quote from Sri Aurobindo: Avoid vain disputing;but exchange views freely.If dispute thou must,learn from thy adversary;for even from a fool,if thou listen not with the ear and the reasoning mind but the soul's light,thou canst gather much wisdom.
Regards.
Bkd said ...
23-Mar-2017
Dear Manish, Anuj,
Thank you for your valued response to our proposed variation of the PTR contest.
Let me confirm hereunder that...
a)There will be no NEGATIVE marking, whatsoever. Since a contestant can avail of at least 25 chances to stay alive in order to prove his betting skills.
b)No compulsory attendance....although it's going to be one helluva scramble to reach the target of 2 lacs......FIRST.
c)There will be no deviation from rules set up, although there could be rare instances of administrator's discretion....after all....it's the world of horse racing and there could be several UNFORESEEN circumstances to deal with.
We hope that readers and punters(non participants) would be able to derive max. benefits, if they were to follow /emulate in real life, their favourite tipster from the very start of this contest.
Who knows, if the contestant were to strike gold, his followers too would also rejoice!
We look forward to many such ideas from our other readers, in order to make this contest as close to reality as possible.
Best,
BKD COS TEAM
Thank you for your valued response to our proposed variation of the PTR contest.
Let me confirm hereunder that...
a)There will be no NEGATIVE marking, whatsoever. Since a contestant can avail of at least 25 chances to stay alive in order to prove his betting skills.
b)No compulsory attendance....although it's going to be one helluva scramble to reach the target of 2 lacs......FIRST.
c)There will be no deviation from rules set up, although there could be rare instances of administrator's discretion....after all....it's the world of horse racing and there could be several UNFORESEEN circumstances to deal with.
We hope that readers and punters(non participants) would be able to derive max. benefits, if they were to follow /emulate in real life, their favourite tipster from the very start of this contest.
Who knows, if the contestant were to strike gold, his followers too would also rejoice!
We look forward to many such ideas from our other readers, in order to make this contest as close to reality as possible.
Best,
BKD COS TEAM
The Doc said ...
23-Mar-2017
Sometimes people in quest for respect gets over zealous and ends up getting disrespected.
@ BKD da
Its been while since we interacted. I have stopped visiting HT for sometime now. The forum is not what it used to be. It looks like a muddled pond these days. So not in touch with what's really happening on the COS front.
Before winter season i had thought about the contest focusing purely on ROI (Return on investment) It will be slightly strenous for the co ordinator but should not be a issue considering the energy and enthusism they have. Will share the idea soon (by tomorrow) as and when time permits.
The format is entirely different from the contest you have proposed.
@ BKD da
Its been while since we interacted. I have stopped visiting HT for sometime now. The forum is not what it used to be. It looks like a muddled pond these days. So not in touch with what's really happening on the COS front.
Before winter season i had thought about the contest focusing purely on ROI (Return on investment) It will be slightly strenous for the co ordinator but should not be a issue considering the energy and enthusism they have. Will share the idea soon (by tomorrow) as and when time permits.
The format is entirely different from the contest you have proposed.
Raghavan said ...
23-Mar-2017
To all,
Regarding the conversation I had with a senior member and yours faithfully. A very very brief summary.
It is evident that there are people who take immense pride by disclosing their huge profit. Yesterday, my friend had lost more than 25000. Only winner to him was an odds on horse that paid 14 at Chennai being his winner.
It was the last race of the day. Alford on a favorite, which is promotee. A delicate thing to take final decision, that too in the last race of the day. At last moment he mustered courage and bet 5000 win & 500 shp. The moralbooster had its effect on his spirits. He started speaking at high pitch, telling everyon who desired to hear & desired not to hear about his 5000 bet. You will start believing that he must have made 50k. No. He went home with 12k or more loss.
Ever punter is like that only. To ignore even the losses of current day and celebrating wins that does not cover even half of his current day's loss.
It is evident that Chanakya has not won 10 lakhs. Leave alone winning, he might have lost much higher than those whom he is grouping as perennial losers.
His 1.30 lakh gain vanished in no time. And yet desires that we all should without question agree to his claim of big gains.
Why Chanakya should single out us as perennial losers is something beyond my imagination. For everyone's info, I am saying that all punters fit that description.
Chanakya believes in the theory that by speaking a same lie 100 times, the other party may start giving some credence and upgrade those lies to truth.
2 + 2 can not be 5. Even if you say that hundred times. By betting 12 horses with a start risk of 2000 (plus 200 bookies commission) and thereafter increasing the risk to the extent of the returns permit, one can not make 10 lakh profit on the said 12 horses.
Chanakya says that I deliberately omit the data that is inconvenient. And, I give complete weightage to those lines that are convenient.
But, who is forcing him to not to give calculations or his version? He says he will no longer interact with us. Not necessary. He is within his right to address to a limited audience and not speak to some select members.
The sad part is he has decided to stop interacting after exposing himself. They say it is better to keep mouth shut and be called a fool rather than open it and remove all the doubt. Chanakya could have chosen the option to remain silent. Instead, confident of his admirers rallying behind him he tried defending the indefencible, lost all credibility and is now coming with the statement that he will not interact with me.
Continuing with the belief that he has too many admirers and supporters he tried to shout me down with his theatrics. His calling me some totally uncalled for & unwarranted adjectives. All, with the idea of scaring me so that I will stop further postings.
I just did something he has not bargained for. I returned to the sender all dirty lines & words and firmly insisted him to give calculations. Totally caught in his lies & bluffs, he went one step ahead. By calling everyone who spoke here about the impossibility of such 10 lakh gain as cohorts, perennial losers etc.
So, even now he has no worthwhile arguments.
Chennai, Bangalore & Hyderabad current season ended. Everybody same song. Loss. Loss. Loss. Quite obvious. Every punter is in that trap. No one can be a winner. Chanakya should hereafter try to impress only some toddlers with his cock & bull stories.
Regarding the conversation I had with a senior member and yours faithfully. A very very brief summary.
It is evident that there are people who take immense pride by disclosing their huge profit. Yesterday, my friend had lost more than 25000. Only winner to him was an odds on horse that paid 14 at Chennai being his winner.
It was the last race of the day. Alford on a favorite, which is promotee. A delicate thing to take final decision, that too in the last race of the day. At last moment he mustered courage and bet 5000 win & 500 shp. The moralbooster had its effect on his spirits. He started speaking at high pitch, telling everyon who desired to hear & desired not to hear about his 5000 bet. You will start believing that he must have made 50k. No. He went home with 12k or more loss.
Ever punter is like that only. To ignore even the losses of current day and celebrating wins that does not cover even half of his current day's loss.
It is evident that Chanakya has not won 10 lakhs. Leave alone winning, he might have lost much higher than those whom he is grouping as perennial losers.
His 1.30 lakh gain vanished in no time. And yet desires that we all should without question agree to his claim of big gains.
Why Chanakya should single out us as perennial losers is something beyond my imagination. For everyone's info, I am saying that all punters fit that description.
Chanakya believes in the theory that by speaking a same lie 100 times, the other party may start giving some credence and upgrade those lies to truth.
2 + 2 can not be 5. Even if you say that hundred times. By betting 12 horses with a start risk of 2000 (plus 200 bookies commission) and thereafter increasing the risk to the extent of the returns permit, one can not make 10 lakh profit on the said 12 horses.
Chanakya says that I deliberately omit the data that is inconvenient. And, I give complete weightage to those lines that are convenient.
But, who is forcing him to not to give calculations or his version? He says he will no longer interact with us. Not necessary. He is within his right to address to a limited audience and not speak to some select members.
The sad part is he has decided to stop interacting after exposing himself. They say it is better to keep mouth shut and be called a fool rather than open it and remove all the doubt. Chanakya could have chosen the option to remain silent. Instead, confident of his admirers rallying behind him he tried defending the indefencible, lost all credibility and is now coming with the statement that he will not interact with me.
Continuing with the belief that he has too many admirers and supporters he tried to shout me down with his theatrics. His calling me some totally uncalled for & unwarranted adjectives. All, with the idea of scaring me so that I will stop further postings.
I just did something he has not bargained for. I returned to the sender all dirty lines & words and firmly insisted him to give calculations. Totally caught in his lies & bluffs, he went one step ahead. By calling everyone who spoke here about the impossibility of such 10 lakh gain as cohorts, perennial losers etc.
So, even now he has no worthwhile arguments.
Chennai, Bangalore & Hyderabad current season ended. Everybody same song. Loss. Loss. Loss. Quite obvious. Every punter is in that trap. No one can be a winner. Chanakya should hereafter try to impress only some toddlers with his cock & bull stories.
Anuj said ...
23-Mar-2017
Dear BKD and S kumar N o doubt you both work very hard but few things in mind to make it popular. the new one
One. no question of compulsory attendence ,for many we have other activites and may skip racing on few days.
Negatvie marking is for competative exams not here.
You cannot change mid way on a race day to suit your self and few [as it was done in the COS contest] .If it does need should be done well before hand.
It is to help some who do not have time in our choices so a positive approach is needed.
See Mr sagars contest and its popularity.
One. no question of compulsory attendence ,for many we have other activites and may skip racing on few days.
Negatvie marking is for competative exams not here.
You cannot change mid way on a race day to suit your self and few [as it was done in the COS contest] .If it does need should be done well before hand.
It is to help some who do not have time in our choices so a positive approach is needed.
See Mr sagars contest and its popularity.
Raghavan said ...
23-Mar-2017
@skumar,
Well. It seems the respect you had to the senior member has been evaporated.
In his anxiety to extricate himself from the quicksand, he has indulged in badmouthing. Let us all just return those bad words to the sender.
I never expected that an elderly man like him will stoop to this extent.
He tries to ridicule me by saying that I am a perennial loser. This is no accusations at all. It is a fact. That I happily agree. The beauty is Chanakya and all others are sailing in the same boat.
So, if Chanakya says that I lost 5 lakhs in a day, I will agree to that. OR if he says I lost 400/- in a day that also I agree. Whatever amount Chanakya says that I have lost in one year, I will simply agree. Because, my logic is he has also lost equal amount!
He is indulging in bad mouthing with expectation that I will be scared and stop further writings. I will openly say. Do not try to single me out as a perennial loser. The status of every horse bettor is same. My losses has got nothing to do with the topic under discussion. I will myself tom tom that from every roof top. But let us not worry about his bad language. They have been returned to the sender.
Well. It seems the respect you had to the senior member has been evaporated.
In his anxiety to extricate himself from the quicksand, he has indulged in badmouthing. Let us all just return those bad words to the sender.
I never expected that an elderly man like him will stoop to this extent.
He tries to ridicule me by saying that I am a perennial loser. This is no accusations at all. It is a fact. That I happily agree. The beauty is Chanakya and all others are sailing in the same boat.
So, if Chanakya says that I lost 5 lakhs in a day, I will agree to that. OR if he says I lost 400/- in a day that also I agree. Whatever amount Chanakya says that I have lost in one year, I will simply agree. Because, my logic is he has also lost equal amount!
He is indulging in bad mouthing with expectation that I will be scared and stop further writings. I will openly say. Do not try to single me out as a perennial loser. The status of every horse bettor is same. My losses has got nothing to do with the topic under discussion. I will myself tom tom that from every roof top. But let us not worry about his bad language. They have been returned to the sender.
Skumar said ...
22-Mar-2017
Dear Srikanth Ji,
One request I have to you from myself personally and also on behalf of many contestants here and i would highly appreciate if you could accept my request and do the needful at your earliest and which is as follows :-
A) Please update and post the Srikanth Book of records and I think it is updated only upto PTR 14 , Sagar Ji's PTR contests from 2015 onwards needs to be updated and inputted into your records, The derbies, the Invitations. The relative MOM scores and T & J scores shall be posted by me and BKD JI will post the T & J which may also be incorporated.
KSM ROW JI , NSK and MM will do the needful of "S.A.W.C" Contests which also needs your help to come into your records.
These records keeps our contestants Elated and recognition to them is drawn automatically by virtue of entries about them in your records.
Look forward to your help in this regard.
Regards
SK
CC :- BKD Ji / KSM-NSK and MM :- This record is a prestigious one maintained by Srikanth Ji and a literal Treasure in HT for all HT'ians...FYI and also please do the needful at your earliest... I shall post COS-MOM contests Data within next 7 days....Done deal from me...
One request I have to you from myself personally and also on behalf of many contestants here and i would highly appreciate if you could accept my request and do the needful at your earliest and which is as follows :-
A) Please update and post the Srikanth Book of records and I think it is updated only upto PTR 14 , Sagar Ji's PTR contests from 2015 onwards needs to be updated and inputted into your records, The derbies, the Invitations. The relative MOM scores and T & J scores shall be posted by me and BKD JI will post the T & J which may also be incorporated.
KSM ROW JI , NSK and MM will do the needful of "S.A.W.C" Contests which also needs your help to come into your records.
These records keeps our contestants Elated and recognition to them is drawn automatically by virtue of entries about them in your records.
Look forward to your help in this regard.
Regards
SK
CC :- BKD Ji / KSM-NSK and MM :- This record is a prestigious one maintained by Srikanth Ji and a literal Treasure in HT for all HT'ians...FYI and also please do the needful at your earliest... I shall post COS-MOM contests Data within next 7 days....Done deal from me...
Skumar said ...
22-Mar-2017
@ Chanakya Ji,
Whilst I have tried to deliver maximum respect to you in both my postings and you seemed to have NOT accepted these respects and Gratitude which is very clear in your latest posts..
Let it be that way , I do not have any issues in this front.
Secondly, How far are you justified in your write up today and which is as follows as you have posted :-
"Now after more than a year one desperate, frustrated and confirmed perennial loser (by his own admission) alongwith his losing cohorts, brings out a 'dead', 'settled' subject (thread ) in a futile bid to score some brownie points, along with his cohorts- who obviously are also losers like him. He can never win with this kind of mindst and perhaps his cohorts may also land up in his rudderless boat, sooner or later; it will be prudent to discard them forever from the list".
A) You are NOT a Approved or Standing or Authorized authority to make such a statement.
B) You could have discussed points which you feel like but involving one's losses or his finances which he may be into is not your Bother at all or give a decision/ directive to other HT'ians is none of your business or your Matter.
C) We have qualified CA's / Income tax Dept for valuing our income statements and other aspects as they are the Only authorized authorities to do so and you may mind your's sir.
I know at the age 70 Plus or so , People must have attained maximum Maturity level and they give good advices and leadership abilities to the younger one's which is absolutely not in your case. after politics in India the most Dramatic Political scenario i have ever witnessed is in your case where younger ones want to give respect to you but instead of accepting it you tarnish and damage the reputation of people who try to seek your help.
Infact, respect cannot be asked or begged or gained through talking to people on the phone and then writing the write-ups which seems more apt in your case.
There are many Many aged and senior writers and legends here who by name Command respect automatically by virtue of their stature, Discipline,attitude and very importantly the decency they carry...you seem to have lost all that in a topic which you raised unnecessarily without anybody asking for it and thereby perpetually damaged your reputation once for all.
What is that you intended to hog limelight is that Racing investments made by you earlier has taken care of your foreign trip and now you want to repeat the same for your Europe or whatever be the trip you are planning... This point from you has triggered a National debate....R u not giving wrong signals to the young people who are coming into the sport accidently and ruining their life's.
Secondly are so successful that you will advocate the same to your sons and Daughters to come into this sport instead of they working in a decent job... If the answer is No..Why you have not advocated the same. after all money is money in whatever form it may come to us. so when you cannot advocate your success story to your kith and Kin what right you have got to come into a National and international podium like this and advocate the same to youngsters as if you are the only GOD in this sport....
Sorry, you have lost the respect Sir..by all counts....the age of your's does not allow you to post that you are guilty and without which now this issue will not stop BY any COUNT.....
You being senior and experienced, May I request you to tender your apology to all the HT'ians and put a full stop to this issue permanently..... I do not know about others....I do not care who is responsible to give you data or Masala for your story which you have put up which is apparently a Blatant Lie..Disgusting and Irritating to see a responsible person like you to stoop down so LOW....
Sir, Likney sey pehley ...Ghar mein Jhaank key tho dekho kitna Paani hai aur kitna Zariya ghum ka hai..Baad Mey dekhthey hai saab doosron ka....
Waisey bhi Badkhaaney walon ka kami nahi hai iss desh mey...yu ishaara karo hazaaron kade hothey hai saab...Bas Nazariya Chayiyeh ...acha kaun hai aur Bura Kaun Hai.....Parakh ney mein zamana Nikal Jaatha Hai Saab...Aap aur mein tho insaan hai....Kahi, aap Buzurg hai tho, Kahi, ham bhi hai zindagi key Meykhaaney mein......
No personal attack intended at all...Since you raked it iam just putting the matter very clear from my end.
Regards,
SK
Whilst I have tried to deliver maximum respect to you in both my postings and you seemed to have NOT accepted these respects and Gratitude which is very clear in your latest posts..
Let it be that way , I do not have any issues in this front.
Secondly, How far are you justified in your write up today and which is as follows as you have posted :-
"Now after more than a year one desperate, frustrated and confirmed perennial loser (by his own admission) alongwith his losing cohorts, brings out a 'dead', 'settled' subject (thread ) in a futile bid to score some brownie points, along with his cohorts- who obviously are also losers like him. He can never win with this kind of mindst and perhaps his cohorts may also land up in his rudderless boat, sooner or later; it will be prudent to discard them forever from the list".
A) You are NOT a Approved or Standing or Authorized authority to make such a statement.
B) You could have discussed points which you feel like but involving one's losses or his finances which he may be into is not your Bother at all or give a decision/ directive to other HT'ians is none of your business or your Matter.
C) We have qualified CA's / Income tax Dept for valuing our income statements and other aspects as they are the Only authorized authorities to do so and you may mind your's sir.
I know at the age 70 Plus or so , People must have attained maximum Maturity level and they give good advices and leadership abilities to the younger one's which is absolutely not in your case. after politics in India the most Dramatic Political scenario i have ever witnessed is in your case where younger ones want to give respect to you but instead of accepting it you tarnish and damage the reputation of people who try to seek your help.
Infact, respect cannot be asked or begged or gained through talking to people on the phone and then writing the write-ups which seems more apt in your case.
There are many Many aged and senior writers and legends here who by name Command respect automatically by virtue of their stature, Discipline,attitude and very importantly the decency they carry...you seem to have lost all that in a topic which you raised unnecessarily without anybody asking for it and thereby perpetually damaged your reputation once for all.
What is that you intended to hog limelight is that Racing investments made by you earlier has taken care of your foreign trip and now you want to repeat the same for your Europe or whatever be the trip you are planning... This point from you has triggered a National debate....R u not giving wrong signals to the young people who are coming into the sport accidently and ruining their life's.
Secondly are so successful that you will advocate the same to your sons and Daughters to come into this sport instead of they working in a decent job... If the answer is No..Why you have not advocated the same. after all money is money in whatever form it may come to us. so when you cannot advocate your success story to your kith and Kin what right you have got to come into a National and international podium like this and advocate the same to youngsters as if you are the only GOD in this sport....
Sorry, you have lost the respect Sir..by all counts....the age of your's does not allow you to post that you are guilty and without which now this issue will not stop BY any COUNT.....
You being senior and experienced, May I request you to tender your apology to all the HT'ians and put a full stop to this issue permanently..... I do not know about others....I do not care who is responsible to give you data or Masala for your story which you have put up which is apparently a Blatant Lie..Disgusting and Irritating to see a responsible person like you to stoop down so LOW....
Sir, Likney sey pehley ...Ghar mein Jhaank key tho dekho kitna Paani hai aur kitna Zariya ghum ka hai..Baad Mey dekhthey hai saab doosron ka....
Waisey bhi Badkhaaney walon ka kami nahi hai iss desh mey...yu ishaara karo hazaaron kade hothey hai saab...Bas Nazariya Chayiyeh ...acha kaun hai aur Bura Kaun Hai.....Parakh ney mein zamana Nikal Jaatha Hai Saab...Aap aur mein tho insaan hai....Kahi, aap Buzurg hai tho, Kahi, ham bhi hai zindagi key Meykhaaney mein......
No personal attack intended at all...Since you raked it iam just putting the matter very clear from my end.
Regards,
SK
Skumar said ...
22-Mar-2017
@ BKD ,
I shall revert with my Opinion shortly and moreover we have plenty of time to roll out whatever the plan you have and let the views and Opinions of the prospective Contestants be received by then...
In any case, One point i would like to clear one and all on the topic in question.
A) We have the COS Contest as a Brand which primarily is in Limelight because of the T & J Contests, Erstwhile MOM DAD BRO POP contests....which is integral part of the COS.
B) THE PTR is a concept and a exclusive contest and it also is an Specific brand in our HT and it belongs to Shrikanth Ji and Sagar Saab who have nurtured to the present day as a Very successful Contest.
My view is simple whatever be the Rules and Terms which is planned for the proposed contest which is similar to the PTR, Let us clearly make the contest which has an identity which goes in with the Brand name of COS ONLY and not mix with the PTR.....
The Contest may be termed as "COS-L.L.R.J" ( Loan Lelo Race Jeetho Contest) or any other name which will perfectly sync with the COS Brand.
I would highly appreciate if you retain the sentiments and respects attached with Saagar Saab and Srikanth Ji w.r.t the PTR Contests..and not bring the PTR contests into the COS Brand..
Warm Regards
SK
I shall revert with my Opinion shortly and moreover we have plenty of time to roll out whatever the plan you have and let the views and Opinions of the prospective Contestants be received by then...
In any case, One point i would like to clear one and all on the topic in question.
A) We have the COS Contest as a Brand which primarily is in Limelight because of the T & J Contests, Erstwhile MOM DAD BRO POP contests....which is integral part of the COS.
B) THE PTR is a concept and a exclusive contest and it also is an Specific brand in our HT and it belongs to Shrikanth Ji and Sagar Saab who have nurtured to the present day as a Very successful Contest.
My view is simple whatever be the Rules and Terms which is planned for the proposed contest which is similar to the PTR, Let us clearly make the contest which has an identity which goes in with the Brand name of COS ONLY and not mix with the PTR.....
The Contest may be termed as "COS-L.L.R.J" ( Loan Lelo Race Jeetho Contest) or any other name which will perfectly sync with the COS Brand.
I would highly appreciate if you retain the sentiments and respects attached with Saagar Saab and Srikanth Ji w.r.t the PTR Contests..and not bring the PTR contests into the COS Brand..
Warm Regards
SK
Manish said ...
22-Mar-2017
BKD
Please change ur style of contest. Racing is not like a school where attendance is to be marked everyday.
Capital can be fixed, but there should not be any advantage for daily players.
Person should win by skill and not by posting everyday.
Please change ur style of contest. Racing is not like a school where attendance is to be marked everyday.
Capital can be fixed, but there should not be any advantage for daily players.
Person should win by skill and not by posting everyday.
Raghavan said ...
22-Mar-2017
@ Chanakya
I agree to my losses. And after 35+ years of punting, you can make your own guess about the quantum of my loss. If you say I have lost 10 lakh, I agree. If you say it is 1 cr, I will agree. And for that matter, even if you say I have lost 10 cr, then also I will agree.
And in the days that Almighty may permit me to stay on that planet if that loss exceeds 3 times or 30 times, then also no problem. I will heartily admit my losses. There are many people who are a bit shy to admit their losses. That non admission does not make them winners.
I am still giving you a chance.
Please do not try to shout to cover up your bluffs. Give the 12 line calculation sheet if you are a winner.
It is not that I can not do calculations. Even before starting this thread, I had done the calculations and only desired that a third party who also is a eat master to post the calculations. Prem has responded. He started by taking the first eat bet as 1000 (Madame Sultana).
Now you are telling that the first bet is 2200, out of which 200 is the margin and 2000 is the amount you risked to earn 1000. Now, I am again throwing a challenge. Start with that 3,000 and give progressive gains for the remaining 11 horses and demonstrate that you have earned over 10 lakhs. I will apologise to all my inappropriate postings on the subject.
All adjectives that you used for the naysayers are not delivered and returned to the sender.
Why I am throwing the challenge instead of posting the calculations myself? Because, I would like to see how far you are ready to damage your character. How far you are ready to ridicule yourself; belittle yourself. You had a reasonably good number of admirers. Yours faithfully one among them.
My one and only point is you have not earned 10 lakhs from 1000 start bet. Now a small modification. The start bet is 2000 and bookies margin is 200, So the first risk is 2200. I repeat. You have not earned 10 lakhs from the start risk of 2200. Your protestations will not impress any one. Your bad language will not scare any one. If you think that all those unwarranted language will be able to hide your bluff, that is your problem.
Come with calculations. I will apologise for whatever inappropriate things I have said.
You are not the only 'eat' master. A good number of punters do regularly visit the race course with 10k to 50k and try to earn equal amount by eating the favorite. So, you are not doing anything extra ordinary by eating favorites.
The issue here is not whether you have posted your lay bets before the races. The issue is with 2200 start bet, can anyone earn more than 10 lakhs by eating the said 12 favorites. I have established that such a thing can never happen. You have tried to say that by multiplying the 3.16 lakh closing balance that Prem has arrived with 4.4 the final figure will be much higher than 10 lakhs. Not much intelligence is required to say that 3 lakh X 4.4 is more than 10 lakhs. Even a middle school drop out knows that. And the middle school drop out also know that 3.16 X 8 is more than 25 lakhs, And 3.16 * 50 is more than 1.5 cr.
All that I am asking is start with that 3000 that you are having, give the returns you got by eating the remaining 11 horses and prove that the gains are more than 10 lakhs.
Whether you give or not give, your bluff has been exposed. If you want to take satisfaction that I am a loser, by all means have that satisfaction. For that matter you can increase my losses exponentially. I do not claim I am a winner. So, there is no need to prove that I am a winner. You say you are a winner. And, you owe that much courtesy to horsetalk members to support your claim of 10 lakh gain.
And, finally. What is this new accusation from you. That I have raked up this 10 lakh gain issue after one year. Chanakya jee, it is you who reopened the issue. Revisit the thread "racing may help me visit Europe" which you have started. There you claimed, last year I visited USA and the expenses were met by my race winnings. Roughly 10 lakhs required for such visits.
Say whatever you want to say. But, prove that with extra ordinary betting skill (actually eating) you have earned 10 lakhs. That will help you regain your credibility whereas yours faithfully gets all the brickbats for questioning without any basis a senior member of this site.
@ BKD,
I have nothing to add to whatever I have said so far. And, going by Chanakya's posts, it is as clear as day light that he also has has gone out of any fresh ideas. So, I am ready to stop further postings.
But, I owe a small courtesy to all those who have taken some trouble to post their ideas. Take your case itself. You have conveyed your idea. And, will that be proper if I totally ignore that?
It is only that much. In his latest post Chanakya has said that I have extracted from archives a dead issue. When the credit for extracting that issue should actually belong to Chanakya, why I should take that accusation.
Chanakya has a very easy way to silence me. And all the naysayers. Just post the 11 line calculations.
Anyway, there is some visible signs that there will not be many more postings in this thread. Just let us not apply sudden breaks. Issues much more hot and much more controversial have been abruptly closed. This topic will not be any exception.
But, one thing BKD jee. If anyone, (let that anyone be GOD himself) post about his millions and crores profit in this site, there will be awkward questions. If not from me, then by someone else. Horsetalk members are intelligent enough and they do not hesitate to question a pack of lies and non sense from others.
I agree to my losses. And after 35+ years of punting, you can make your own guess about the quantum of my loss. If you say I have lost 10 lakh, I agree. If you say it is 1 cr, I will agree. And for that matter, even if you say I have lost 10 cr, then also I will agree.
And in the days that Almighty may permit me to stay on that planet if that loss exceeds 3 times or 30 times, then also no problem. I will heartily admit my losses. There are many people who are a bit shy to admit their losses. That non admission does not make them winners.
I am still giving you a chance.
Please do not try to shout to cover up your bluffs. Give the 12 line calculation sheet if you are a winner.
It is not that I can not do calculations. Even before starting this thread, I had done the calculations and only desired that a third party who also is a eat master to post the calculations. Prem has responded. He started by taking the first eat bet as 1000 (Madame Sultana).
Now you are telling that the first bet is 2200, out of which 200 is the margin and 2000 is the amount you risked to earn 1000. Now, I am again throwing a challenge. Start with that 3,000 and give progressive gains for the remaining 11 horses and demonstrate that you have earned over 10 lakhs. I will apologise to all my inappropriate postings on the subject.
All adjectives that you used for the naysayers are not delivered and returned to the sender.
Why I am throwing the challenge instead of posting the calculations myself? Because, I would like to see how far you are ready to damage your character. How far you are ready to ridicule yourself; belittle yourself. You had a reasonably good number of admirers. Yours faithfully one among them.
My one and only point is you have not earned 10 lakhs from 1000 start bet. Now a small modification. The start bet is 2000 and bookies margin is 200, So the first risk is 2200. I repeat. You have not earned 10 lakhs from the start risk of 2200. Your protestations will not impress any one. Your bad language will not scare any one. If you think that all those unwarranted language will be able to hide your bluff, that is your problem.
Come with calculations. I will apologise for whatever inappropriate things I have said.
You are not the only 'eat' master. A good number of punters do regularly visit the race course with 10k to 50k and try to earn equal amount by eating the favorite. So, you are not doing anything extra ordinary by eating favorites.
The issue here is not whether you have posted your lay bets before the races. The issue is with 2200 start bet, can anyone earn more than 10 lakhs by eating the said 12 favorites. I have established that such a thing can never happen. You have tried to say that by multiplying the 3.16 lakh closing balance that Prem has arrived with 4.4 the final figure will be much higher than 10 lakhs. Not much intelligence is required to say that 3 lakh X 4.4 is more than 10 lakhs. Even a middle school drop out knows that. And the middle school drop out also know that 3.16 X 8 is more than 25 lakhs, And 3.16 * 50 is more than 1.5 cr.
All that I am asking is start with that 3000 that you are having, give the returns you got by eating the remaining 11 horses and prove that the gains are more than 10 lakhs.
Whether you give or not give, your bluff has been exposed. If you want to take satisfaction that I am a loser, by all means have that satisfaction. For that matter you can increase my losses exponentially. I do not claim I am a winner. So, there is no need to prove that I am a winner. You say you are a winner. And, you owe that much courtesy to horsetalk members to support your claim of 10 lakh gain.
And, finally. What is this new accusation from you. That I have raked up this 10 lakh gain issue after one year. Chanakya jee, it is you who reopened the issue. Revisit the thread "racing may help me visit Europe" which you have started. There you claimed, last year I visited USA and the expenses were met by my race winnings. Roughly 10 lakhs required for such visits.
Say whatever you want to say. But, prove that with extra ordinary betting skill (actually eating) you have earned 10 lakhs. That will help you regain your credibility whereas yours faithfully gets all the brickbats for questioning without any basis a senior member of this site.
@ BKD,
I have nothing to add to whatever I have said so far. And, going by Chanakya's posts, it is as clear as day light that he also has has gone out of any fresh ideas. So, I am ready to stop further postings.
But, I owe a small courtesy to all those who have taken some trouble to post their ideas. Take your case itself. You have conveyed your idea. And, will that be proper if I totally ignore that?
It is only that much. In his latest post Chanakya has said that I have extracted from archives a dead issue. When the credit for extracting that issue should actually belong to Chanakya, why I should take that accusation.
Chanakya has a very easy way to silence me. And all the naysayers. Just post the 11 line calculations.
Anyway, there is some visible signs that there will not be many more postings in this thread. Just let us not apply sudden breaks. Issues much more hot and much more controversial have been abruptly closed. This topic will not be any exception.
But, one thing BKD jee. If anyone, (let that anyone be GOD himself) post about his millions and crores profit in this site, there will be awkward questions. If not from me, then by someone else. Horsetalk members are intelligent enough and they do not hesitate to question a pack of lies and non sense from others.
Bkd said ...
22-Mar-2017
Come on friends.....instead of quibbling like (grown-up) school boys, why don't you channelize your apparently inexhaustible bundle of energy, into something more productive?
In this context, we have put up the blue print in one of the posts below, for a challenging contest (on similar lines of this raging controversy), and we invite both the aggressors and the defendants to prove their mettle, in a virtual do-or-die battlefield, where the starting capital has been pegged at 2K...instead of 1K being the starting amount in the real life scenario!
The RTR contestant's task would be to build upon this initial amount of 2K and convert the same to 2 Lacs, while he also gets 25 chances (of failing) in order to achieve the predetermined target. (Please do check the details hereunder)
The proposed contest target has been designed to be much more attainable and closer to reality than having to break ones head, in trying to convert 1K to 1 million, with no elbow-room for failure!
Only the finishing touches are left to be provided to the contest draft (your suggestions too are most welcome) and we will be ready to move forward from the impending Bangalore Summers.
So relax my dear,(and let the tempers cool off!) enjoy the break, before getting down once again to the serious business of making good money...nay...a fortune!
Cheers!
BKD
In this context, we have put up the blue print in one of the posts below, for a challenging contest (on similar lines of this raging controversy), and we invite both the aggressors and the defendants to prove their mettle, in a virtual do-or-die battlefield, where the starting capital has been pegged at 2K...instead of 1K being the starting amount in the real life scenario!
The RTR contestant's task would be to build upon this initial amount of 2K and convert the same to 2 Lacs, while he also gets 25 chances (of failing) in order to achieve the predetermined target. (Please do check the details hereunder)
The proposed contest target has been designed to be much more attainable and closer to reality than having to break ones head, in trying to convert 1K to 1 million, with no elbow-room for failure!
Only the finishing touches are left to be provided to the contest draft (your suggestions too are most welcome) and we will be ready to move forward from the impending Bangalore Summers.
So relax my dear,(and let the tempers cool off!) enjoy the break, before getting down once again to the serious business of making good money...nay...a fortune!
Cheers!
BKD
Chanakya said ...
22-Mar-2017
@Raghavan,
You have no match in the world!
After more than a year you wake up and start afresh alongwith your minions on an event happened more than a year ago! Isn’t it a height of –all combined in one?
You wanted my calculations in 12 lines , BUT REFUSE TO GO TO THE THREAD WHERFROM YOU PICKED UP THE DATA IN THE HEADPOST AND READ THE CALCULATIONS GIVEN OVER THERE TO REACH A MILLION! WHAT AN AUDACIOUS BEHAVIOUR!
However , I will give my final answer in my response to Prem:
@Prem,
Your method is correct but the starting values are wrong. To lay a 2/1 runner and earn Rs. 1000, you have to risk Rs. 2100 or 2200 and not Rs. 500. Therefore 2200/500 = 4.4. Multiply your final result by 4.4 and you will get a value of more than 1.2 million.
If you have time ,reduce 10% profit of a bookie from the last numerical value of each line given by Prem and the ‘residue’ will still have enough value to reach a million!
Finally , I don’t want to waste my time with people like you and your ilk, any more...
Chanakya said ...
21-Mar-2017
@ all,
In December, 2015 I wrote on this forum that it is possible to make money by eating 'false favorites' - a sequel to one of my earlier thread. Afterwards, I gave 12 straight losers - false favourites BEFORE THE RACES WERE RUN, and made my money.
I thought I was helping my fellow punters - but naysayers and perennial losers did not make use of it, because they didn’t get a slap on back , or a hit on knuckle from me/anybody – go and bet(eat)!
Now after more than a year one desperate, frustrated and confirmed perennial loser (by his own admission) alongwith his losing cohorts, brings out a 'dead', 'settled' subject (thread ) in a futile bid to score some brownie points, along with his cohorts- who obviously are also losers like him. He can never win with this kind of mindst and perhaps his cohorts may also land up in his rudderless boat, sooner or later; it will be prudent to discard them forever from the list.
Some one said - birds of the same feather flock together, while a predator (except jackals) hunts individually.
Negativity professed, preached and perceived continuously will finally enter your psyche and play havoc with thinking. Even interacting with it - some of it is going stick on you and therefore, I refuse to interact any more with them.
I wish them good luck and comfortable stay in their paradise
They deserve it after digging up many graves to find a treasure but looking at skeletons in 'disbelief...
They should watch the movie ‘ the cuckoo who flew over the nest’ released sometime in1960’s
Rakesh said ...
21-Mar-2017
Hi all
Am Rakesh and not Rakesh menon.... Clarifying you just to avoid any further mishap... My comments would be like that only regarding running of races in our country but not to hurt any ones feelings... Am into racing since about 7 years only but had lessons to remember for lifetime!!! Am habitually a large punter.. thus lost unimaginable amount in shortest time (2012 to 2016)....There were days when I was out of Hrc (malakpet) with profit of abt 1.5L/day but with no laugh /happiness on my face.. I admit my mistake for that for letting me so much down... SUCH HUGE LOSSES CAN NEVER BE RECOVERED...Am still alive n happy with family only b'cos my profession which is regarded as highly dignified in our society... Decreased my punting so so much these days (I admit that I dint stop totally) avg of 25k/day... that doesn't harm me...
To the Manor Born, Gentle Knowledge, shivalik Shakti, Inspirator, Amazing Redd, Malpensa,.... Some of my chronic bettings... They don't come whenever I bet... They come the very next run when I don't bet... Can't digest that... Remember Gentle Knowledge came 10th in a run when I played 50k win n 25kshp... The very next run.. It won... At 12/1 odds...I couldn't play that day due to personal function at home.... What can we do?
Am Rakesh and not Rakesh menon.... Clarifying you just to avoid any further mishap... My comments would be like that only regarding running of races in our country but not to hurt any ones feelings... Am into racing since about 7 years only but had lessons to remember for lifetime!!! Am habitually a large punter.. thus lost unimaginable amount in shortest time (2012 to 2016)....There were days when I was out of Hrc (malakpet) with profit of abt 1.5L/day but with no laugh /happiness on my face.. I admit my mistake for that for letting me so much down... SUCH HUGE LOSSES CAN NEVER BE RECOVERED...Am still alive n happy with family only b'cos my profession which is regarded as highly dignified in our society... Decreased my punting so so much these days (I admit that I dint stop totally) avg of 25k/day... that doesn't harm me...
To the Manor Born, Gentle Knowledge, shivalik Shakti, Inspirator, Amazing Redd, Malpensa,.... Some of my chronic bettings... They don't come whenever I bet... They come the very next run when I don't bet... Can't digest that... Remember Gentle Knowledge came 10th in a run when I played 50k win n 25kshp... The very next run.. It won... At 12/1 odds...I couldn't play that day due to personal function at home.... What can we do?
Stop Fooling Punter said ...
21-Mar-2017
Chanakya has done well by stop writng here.
One writer keeps his chant .inspite of losing in races
One writer keeps his chant .inspite of losing in races
Rizwan said ...
21-Mar-2017
Dear Chanakyaji.
Time has come to expose all those who are against you. Its time to settle the issue once and for all.
You are requested to post Income rax return filed..iam sure being a ex army man and patriotic citizen, you would have remitted tax for earnings of Rs 10 lacs.
Time has come to expose all those who are against you. Its time to settle the issue once and for all.
You are requested to post Income rax return filed..iam sure being a ex army man and patriotic citizen, you would have remitted tax for earnings of Rs 10 lacs.
Raghavan said ...
21-Mar-2017
@skumar & others
Chanakya desires that whatever he says should not be questioned.
Even I was also having towards him somewhat the same level of appreciation. It was a big shock to me when he declared that he has made 10 lakhs by eating dozen favorites in a space of 10 days.
Did a simple calculation. Also consulted some 'eat' masters. Satisfied that there is no chance of such huge gains. That too my calculations were totally disregarding the bookie's margin.
Decided to question him. Was well aware that questioning him means nothing but to tell him right on his face that what he is claiming is a big big lie. The response was on expected lines. Stonewall tactics, trying to brow beat the dissent voices.
I decided one thing. Let him indulge in all sorts of shoutings, bad mouthing and whatever else. Should not indulge in answering in bad language. Maintain just one line query. 12 horses, start bet 1000 and prove that there is theoretical or arithmetical possibility of converting 1000 to 10 lakhs.
I wanted that he should give theoretical possibility first. If he had really made 1 million, it should not at all be difficult for him to give those details. Prem has given the calculations. 12 lines. When he is not able to say in support of his claim to write those 12 lines, that points to only one thing.
Chanakya jee, I have seen racing. And I have posted my ideas in this site. No one ever has claimed 10 lakh gain. You are the only one to claim 10 lakhs gain and get discredited to this extent. Do not think I will stop just because you have some choicest adjectives. I can also speak in the same language.
But, I do not give a damn to your histrionics and outbursts. Everything that you say will not be accepted. You are only aware of my selective amnesia. But I also accept anyone's postings selectively. The words, lines & paras that I do not accept are invariably returned back to the sender!
Chanakya desires that whatever he says should not be questioned.
Even I was also having towards him somewhat the same level of appreciation. It was a big shock to me when he declared that he has made 10 lakhs by eating dozen favorites in a space of 10 days.
Did a simple calculation. Also consulted some 'eat' masters. Satisfied that there is no chance of such huge gains. That too my calculations were totally disregarding the bookie's margin.
Decided to question him. Was well aware that questioning him means nothing but to tell him right on his face that what he is claiming is a big big lie. The response was on expected lines. Stonewall tactics, trying to brow beat the dissent voices.
I decided one thing. Let him indulge in all sorts of shoutings, bad mouthing and whatever else. Should not indulge in answering in bad language. Maintain just one line query. 12 horses, start bet 1000 and prove that there is theoretical or arithmetical possibility of converting 1000 to 10 lakhs.
I wanted that he should give theoretical possibility first. If he had really made 1 million, it should not at all be difficult for him to give those details. Prem has given the calculations. 12 lines. When he is not able to say in support of his claim to write those 12 lines, that points to only one thing.
Chanakya jee, I have seen racing. And I have posted my ideas in this site. No one ever has claimed 10 lakh gain. You are the only one to claim 10 lakhs gain and get discredited to this extent. Do not think I will stop just because you have some choicest adjectives. I can also speak in the same language.
But, I do not give a damn to your histrionics and outbursts. Everything that you say will not be accepted. You are only aware of my selective amnesia. But I also accept anyone's postings selectively. The words, lines & paras that I do not accept are invariably returned back to the sender!
Raghavan said ...
20-Mar-2017
@chanakya,
You said I am a desperate person to be in front page and I accepted that.
"Right. I am a loser.
You say I deserve sympathies. For permanently being in loser's list.
Chanakya jee. It is not only me. Entire betting crowd is permanently in the loser's list only. If anyone claims that he is in plus inspite of betting on horses then all we can say about him is "he is cheating himself".
Here the question is about the win amount after a limited period of betting. Only 10 days, 12 horses. You had no answer. All your protestations that you are a winner will not fool anyone. If you decide to shout down dissent that is up to you. What I desire is calculations of your profits horsewise.
I agree that you have given lay bets before the races; I agree that the horses failed; I agree that you have won lay bets on all those 12 horses. I agree that you rolled the returns from one lay bet to the next bet. I agree that the process continued non stop 12 times. And you claim that the winnings added to 10 lakhs. That I do not agree. The entire controversy is on the quantum of winnings. Come with your calculations. Issue settled.
Thank you for expressing concern at me and recommending that I should urgently consult a doctor specialised in a particular branch. All punters are headed in that direction only. We all follow the senior punters, and senior horsetalk members in that regard.
You said I am a desperate person to be in front page and I accepted that.
"Right. I am a loser.
You say I deserve sympathies. For permanently being in loser's list.
Chanakya jee. It is not only me. Entire betting crowd is permanently in the loser's list only. If anyone claims that he is in plus inspite of betting on horses then all we can say about him is "he is cheating himself".
Here the question is about the win amount after a limited period of betting. Only 10 days, 12 horses. You had no answer. All your protestations that you are a winner will not fool anyone. If you decide to shout down dissent that is up to you. What I desire is calculations of your profits horsewise.
I agree that you have given lay bets before the races; I agree that the horses failed; I agree that you have won lay bets on all those 12 horses. I agree that you rolled the returns from one lay bet to the next bet. I agree that the process continued non stop 12 times. And you claim that the winnings added to 10 lakhs. That I do not agree. The entire controversy is on the quantum of winnings. Come with your calculations. Issue settled.
Thank you for expressing concern at me and recommending that I should urgently consult a doctor specialised in a particular branch. All punters are headed in that direction only. We all follow the senior punters, and senior horsetalk members in that regard.
Raghavan said ...
20-Mar-2017
@vk santhosh kumar,
You said Chanakya has not made any claim of 10 lakh profit.
I request you to revisit the thread "racing may help me visit Europe". See opening lines in slow motion.
And also look at his posting on 15th (10.10.08am). Hope that will answer your query.
Seems you are friend of Chanakya or admirer of Chanakya. If you think that I am his enemy, just throw away such baseless ideas from your mindset. You are his friend, I am his friend and all other horsetalk members are his friends.
But while posting a line in his support, the least you could have done is to avoid the last three lines in that post. For argument sake, let us say Chanakya has never claimed 10 lakh profit, but I am making some meaningless posting. Do you seriously believe that Chanakya needs your support to take me to task? Would he not have demanded an apology straightaway for my postings.
Let us all stay friendly. Demanding the calculations from a person who was proudly talking about 10 lakh profit is not at all an unfriendly question.
Tomorrow I will say I made 5 lakhs in one day. Will you straight away believe that? O K. You are a man of big heart. Will agree. Whether all other horsetalk members are lucky enough like you and blessed with a big heart? One Mr X, Y or Z will definitely post his dissent note. That does not make him in any way unfriendly. Having declared my profit, it is binding on me to give calculations of my bets horsewise and show him that the gains from 6 or 7 successful bets add up to 5 lakhs, If I can not prove that, I should apologise for trying to take all horsetalk members for a royal ride. Demanding the calculation is not at all an unfriendly act. O K?
You said Chanakya has not made any claim of 10 lakh profit.
I request you to revisit the thread "racing may help me visit Europe". See opening lines in slow motion.
And also look at his posting on 15th (10.10.08am). Hope that will answer your query.
Seems you are friend of Chanakya or admirer of Chanakya. If you think that I am his enemy, just throw away such baseless ideas from your mindset. You are his friend, I am his friend and all other horsetalk members are his friends.
But while posting a line in his support, the least you could have done is to avoid the last three lines in that post. For argument sake, let us say Chanakya has never claimed 10 lakh profit, but I am making some meaningless posting. Do you seriously believe that Chanakya needs your support to take me to task? Would he not have demanded an apology straightaway for my postings.
Let us all stay friendly. Demanding the calculations from a person who was proudly talking about 10 lakh profit is not at all an unfriendly question.
Tomorrow I will say I made 5 lakhs in one day. Will you straight away believe that? O K. You are a man of big heart. Will agree. Whether all other horsetalk members are lucky enough like you and blessed with a big heart? One Mr X, Y or Z will definitely post his dissent note. That does not make him in any way unfriendly. Having declared my profit, it is binding on me to give calculations of my bets horsewise and show him that the gains from 6 or 7 successful bets add up to 5 lakhs, If I can not prove that, I should apologise for trying to take all horsetalk members for a royal ride. Demanding the calculation is not at all an unfriendly act. O K?
Rakesh Menon said ...
20-Mar-2017
@Chanakya,
This post is only to clear my doubt about you telling Mr.SKumar about one of his team members to keep shut..As am also one of them and other two were Libero&BKD..so by anxiety i rolled all previous messages but amazed to see none of us posted any thing against you..Then i noted this
Rakesh said ... On : 3/20/2017 10:31:37 AM
With all respect i think u had a mis understanding..Rakesh and Rakesh menon are completely different persons..i am regular in HT from past 8 years..I never try to comment on this type of topics..So pls clarify if u meant me or somebody else..
Beside this i have seen u from the photographs of GT @BNG this month ..i have personnel contacts with many who attended that program..I was excited wen Ram iyerji told me about your age&your performance on invitation day..hatts of to u ..
This post is only to clear my doubt about you telling Mr.SKumar about one of his team members to keep shut..As am also one of them and other two were Libero&BKD..so by anxiety i rolled all previous messages but amazed to see none of us posted any thing against you..Then i noted this
Rakesh said ... On : 3/20/2017 10:31:37 AM
With all respect i think u had a mis understanding..Rakesh and Rakesh menon are completely different persons..i am regular in HT from past 8 years..I never try to comment on this type of topics..So pls clarify if u meant me or somebody else..
Beside this i have seen u from the photographs of GT @BNG this month ..i have personnel contacts with many who attended that program..I was excited wen Ram iyerji told me about your age&your performance on invitation day..hatts of to u ..
Skumar said ...
20-Mar-2017
@ Chanakya Ji,
A) The below is what Ramiyer has written in one of the Para as his conclusion and I trust you will appreciate that it is the views of your Latest Friend in the circuit and here it goes :-
What Ramiyer has written :-
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"But it is unbelievable that as a gambling punter we Can earn such a huge amount by investing a meagre 1k,even if it a lay double".
Chanakya Ji :- You are exceptional and Extremely good in English Language and we not only respect your age but we adore your proficiency in language usage also sir Ji... Pls draw your conclusion on the Ramiyer posting above.
Ramiyer and myself may be good friends but when it comes to discussions and argurments on some topic , we prefer our Individual rights to take supremacy and Friendship Gaya Baad Mey..Thats our attitude and again you will have to excuse me sir for the same. so net net ... I live it to your conclusions....
B) Either Me, Libero, @ The Doc ,Srikanth , RAKESH Menon (Not Rakesh as you thought that he is Rakesh Menon) we do not come in pseudo names and Iam on record in stating this fact to you......
So Sir Ji...Your second Inference of Rakesh and Rakesh Menon are both same identities is also wrong Sir.......I cant vouch or stand testimony and side you with my support to all the allegations you make without verification, is not at all possible..... I think Ramiyer must have appraised you before you have posted your conclusions on the same...If Not, you should have checked with him sir before your conclusions are drawn...
C) Sir, May you make not one million , Pls make 100's of Million , I shall be the first person to be happy to receive the news but Pls do not rake in my name to all your posts which you would be doing in future as it is not my business to your financial Investment which you do at your discretion...You are right again, for all your investments Ramiyer ...
D) Lastly , The episode running in two threads are purely out of your Negligence , as you accidently or intentionally ...I do not know honestly....revealed your Financials in open forum which is not suggested at all...These are absolutely Confidential and restricted to one's own self. It is a Dangerous Practice and you have seen it all yourself the outcome of such disclosure... Its a classic case of "Hunter himself being hunted down".....
Else, Iam tooooooo Younger to you in terms of Age, Experience and Maturity and still eager to learn from you....
My suggestion is Park the issue here not only by you but by all the HT'ians ...
Else , this will go on unabated and we will in all honesty be wasting the precious Bandwidth of IR.com...
I shall just conclude this by a golden line from our mythology "THE RAMAYANA",
The LORD says...never ever a KING should make claims in open forum and in front of his Praja ( Citizens) and by mistake if he does, it becomes his duty to prove and he shall strive hard till he proves it to the Last Point of such claims made by him.....
With Best Regards to you and in anticipation of your pardon in case of any mistake from my end in the above...
SK
A) The below is what Ramiyer has written in one of the Para as his conclusion and I trust you will appreciate that it is the views of your Latest Friend in the circuit and here it goes :-
What Ramiyer has written :-
****************************
"But it is unbelievable that as a gambling punter we Can earn such a huge amount by investing a meagre 1k,even if it a lay double".
Chanakya Ji :- You are exceptional and Extremely good in English Language and we not only respect your age but we adore your proficiency in language usage also sir Ji... Pls draw your conclusion on the Ramiyer posting above.
Ramiyer and myself may be good friends but when it comes to discussions and argurments on some topic , we prefer our Individual rights to take supremacy and Friendship Gaya Baad Mey..Thats our attitude and again you will have to excuse me sir for the same. so net net ... I live it to your conclusions....
B) Either Me, Libero, @ The Doc ,Srikanth , RAKESH Menon (Not Rakesh as you thought that he is Rakesh Menon) we do not come in pseudo names and Iam on record in stating this fact to you......
So Sir Ji...Your second Inference of Rakesh and Rakesh Menon are both same identities is also wrong Sir.......I cant vouch or stand testimony and side you with my support to all the allegations you make without verification, is not at all possible..... I think Ramiyer must have appraised you before you have posted your conclusions on the same...If Not, you should have checked with him sir before your conclusions are drawn...
C) Sir, May you make not one million , Pls make 100's of Million , I shall be the first person to be happy to receive the news but Pls do not rake in my name to all your posts which you would be doing in future as it is not my business to your financial Investment which you do at your discretion...You are right again, for all your investments Ramiyer ...
D) Lastly , The episode running in two threads are purely out of your Negligence , as you accidently or intentionally ...I do not know honestly....revealed your Financials in open forum which is not suggested at all...These are absolutely Confidential and restricted to one's own self. It is a Dangerous Practice and you have seen it all yourself the outcome of such disclosure... Its a classic case of "Hunter himself being hunted down".....
Else, Iam tooooooo Younger to you in terms of Age, Experience and Maturity and still eager to learn from you....
My suggestion is Park the issue here not only by you but by all the HT'ians ...
Else , this will go on unabated and we will in all honesty be wasting the precious Bandwidth of IR.com...
I shall just conclude this by a golden line from our mythology "THE RAMAYANA",
The LORD says...never ever a KING should make claims in open forum and in front of his Praja ( Citizens) and by mistake if he does, it becomes his duty to prove and he shall strive hard till he proves it to the Last Point of such claims made by him.....
With Best Regards to you and in anticipation of your pardon in case of any mistake from my end in the above...
SK
Raghavan said ...
20-Mar-2017
@Chanakya,
Prem has given calculations by taking your first bet at 1000.
You said that calculations correct. The plus arrived at by taking the first bet as 1000 is over 3 lakhs.
Then you made a correction that the first bet is 2200. I think, when we are speaking about cash, it is always fair that I should give higher weightage to the one who actually risked the amount, than the person who just gave arithmetical calculations.
O K Chanakya jee. So I agree to your start bet of 2200. And now I am giving you a challenge.
The first transaction is clear. No ambiguity in that. Excellent.
Now, after your first bet passed you will be having 3000/- cash on hand. Add commission 300 and the next level of risk from you is 3300.
Now you give calculations from this risk of 3300 onwards.
I will agree to your claim of first bet that you risked 2200 to win 1000. Actually you won only 800. And you are now having 3000/- in your pocket. I do not ask you why or how your first risk of 1000 got modified to 2200. You are a senior member of indiarace.com. In all probability, you were interacting in this site even before I learnt that such site existed. So, I will agree to what you have mentioned today. Start risk 2200. Ate Madame Sultana 1000. And collected 3000.
NOW I AM THROWING A CHALLENGE.
Start from that 3000, and give progressive calculations for the next 11 horses. If the calculations establish that you have earned more than 10 lakhs, then I will swear on everything I hold sacred that I will apologise for all the postings from my side that was in bad taste. Including the greatest sin on this earth. That is starting a new thread on a live topic apparently without any reason.
Compared to you I am a junior. My arithmetic knowledge is worse than that of a middle school dropout. And, as Ram iyer said, I was running a paper contest (without involving any cash) with that limited knowledge. So, with that limited knowledge, I can also demolish your claim of 10 lakh profit. Even after granting that the first risk is 2200 as against the 1000 we are all being led to believe. It is a concession that I am agreeing to.
Even with that 2200 start risk, you can not show profit of 10 lakhs, leave alone 12,00,000.
Profit means total returns less returns. For 2000 start risk, you have to cough up another 200 commission. So your gain is only 800. Well when we are talking about lakhs and millions, 200 looks too insignificant. But as the risk amount increases exponentially, the commission also increases proportionately. Now let me see your calculations and profit projection. Let the entire horsetalk members see it.
BY the way, I appreciate your vast knowledge and extra sensory perception. Without seeing me in person you were able to find one thing about me which no horsetalk member was aware till they saw your latest post today. Yes. I am a desperate person to remain in first page.
Prem has given calculations by taking your first bet at 1000.
You said that calculations correct. The plus arrived at by taking the first bet as 1000 is over 3 lakhs.
Then you made a correction that the first bet is 2200. I think, when we are speaking about cash, it is always fair that I should give higher weightage to the one who actually risked the amount, than the person who just gave arithmetical calculations.
O K Chanakya jee. So I agree to your start bet of 2200. And now I am giving you a challenge.
The first transaction is clear. No ambiguity in that. Excellent.
Now, after your first bet passed you will be having 3000/- cash on hand. Add commission 300 and the next level of risk from you is 3300.
Now you give calculations from this risk of 3300 onwards.
I will agree to your claim of first bet that you risked 2200 to win 1000. Actually you won only 800. And you are now having 3000/- in your pocket. I do not ask you why or how your first risk of 1000 got modified to 2200. You are a senior member of indiarace.com. In all probability, you were interacting in this site even before I learnt that such site existed. So, I will agree to what you have mentioned today. Start risk 2200. Ate Madame Sultana 1000. And collected 3000.
NOW I AM THROWING A CHALLENGE.
Start from that 3000, and give progressive calculations for the next 11 horses. If the calculations establish that you have earned more than 10 lakhs, then I will swear on everything I hold sacred that I will apologise for all the postings from my side that was in bad taste. Including the greatest sin on this earth. That is starting a new thread on a live topic apparently without any reason.
Compared to you I am a junior. My arithmetic knowledge is worse than that of a middle school dropout. And, as Ram iyer said, I was running a paper contest (without involving any cash) with that limited knowledge. So, with that limited knowledge, I can also demolish your claim of 10 lakh profit. Even after granting that the first risk is 2200 as against the 1000 we are all being led to believe. It is a concession that I am agreeing to.
Even with that 2200 start risk, you can not show profit of 10 lakhs, leave alone 12,00,000.
Profit means total returns less returns. For 2000 start risk, you have to cough up another 200 commission. So your gain is only 800. Well when we are talking about lakhs and millions, 200 looks too insignificant. But as the risk amount increases exponentially, the commission also increases proportionately. Now let me see your calculations and profit projection. Let the entire horsetalk members see it.
BY the way, I appreciate your vast knowledge and extra sensory perception. Without seeing me in person you were able to find one thing about me which no horsetalk member was aware till they saw your latest post today. Yes. I am a desperate person to remain in first page.
Ramiyer said ...
20-Mar-2017
Dear BKD.
Oh.what the patient wished,the doctor prescribed.I never expected a quick response,that too an interesting one.This type of contest will prove the claims and counter claims,the heroics to a logical end of the season.
Dear mercurial players ,and the regular tipsters please post your views in everyday selections thread so that all our friends can view.As desired by BKD,any amendmends or fine tuning please put your views.
I request Raghavan sir,Srikanth sir,S.Kumar,Rakesh menon,The doc, Libero my brother who were the founders and coordinators as everybody know to pen their line of thinking so that BKD ji can frame the perfect rules.More than a month is still left,but the discussion should start now.
Dear S.Kumar.
We should not expect JAI HO,JAI HO for all the hardwork.If you see the old selections thread at Indiarace.com when there were no contests at all,everyday there were so many congratulatory messages to so many successful tipsters at the end of the day.Now a days people will recognize and recall their favourites tipsters if they are not giving their selections for a couple of days.Iam sure lot of people salute in their mind to the top tipsters they adore especially Dharmesh,Kabir,Anushree,Mad max to name a few.
Oh.what the patient wished,the doctor prescribed.I never expected a quick response,that too an interesting one.This type of contest will prove the claims and counter claims,the heroics to a logical end of the season.
Dear mercurial players ,and the regular tipsters please post your views in everyday selections thread so that all our friends can view.As desired by BKD,any amendmends or fine tuning please put your views.
I request Raghavan sir,Srikanth sir,S.Kumar,Rakesh menon,The doc, Libero my brother who were the founders and coordinators as everybody know to pen their line of thinking so that BKD ji can frame the perfect rules.More than a month is still left,but the discussion should start now.
Dear S.Kumar.
We should not expect JAI HO,JAI HO for all the hardwork.If you see the old selections thread at Indiarace.com when there were no contests at all,everyday there were so many congratulatory messages to so many successful tipsters at the end of the day.Now a days people will recognize and recall their favourites tipsters if they are not giving their selections for a couple of days.Iam sure lot of people salute in their mind to the top tipsters they adore especially Dharmesh,Kabir,Anushree,Mad max to name a few.
Chanakya said ...
20-Mar-2017@Prem,
Your method is correct but the starting values are wrong. To lay a 2/1 runner you have to risk Rs. 2100 or 2200 and not Rs. 500. 2200/500 = 4.4. Multiply your final result by 4.4 and you will get a value of more than 1.2 million.
@ RamIyer,
Thanks for your inputs. On e point I want to make.
Taking part in a contest with virtual money is different than actually putting real money. You have said MM has won 1crore and lost it in one of the his next bet, I remember that. ’ Lay’ bets are different and I appreciate that you do not indulge in this kind of bet because it is risky and is not available to most of the punters outside RWITC circuit.
It is good that you remain a straight forward punter and remain within limits for betting. Good luck to you...
@S.Kumar,
You seem to be more clever than Raghavan!
You butt in with your team COS garb and make snide and false statements. Tell your ‘ team member’ to keep shut and help tabulating next contest results. Ramiyer has not backed out of the ‘original’ topic. He has expressed his observations and doubts about this ‘current’ topic created by Raghavan to remain in limelight...
Why can’t he pick up something which is relevant today or was yesterday – instead picking up some topic , discussed proved and settled long ago. Bankruptcy of ideas or ....????
@ Raghavan,
You are a ‘clever’ man. Your desperate attempt to remain on ‘front’ page by any means is visible to everyone. This thread confirms this.
No reason or excuses given to create/ revive an old thread clearly shows your desperation to remain in limelight.
You have also mastered the act of selective amnesia and selecting ONLY ‘favourable’ inputs(postings) without giving any reference and context!
You can pickup the tips from a thread but ‘ fail’ to pickup the calculations given in the same thread is a proof of selective amnesia! Why should I call you names? Do you deserve that? Certainly not – what you need is not pity/scorn, but sympathy on being permanently on the sheet-roll of perennial losers, who vent their frustrations under the garb of ‘checks and balances’, on a site , without proving the benefits of their existence/utility , in a competitive domain called Indian horse racing... picking up a part of a thread is selective amnesia – I think you know that!
Your 6.44 to Ram Iyer,
‘... even one person ready to believe Chanakya. And, this includes yourself & skumar.’
Who asked you to believe? Can’t you see the truth – ‘writing on the wall’... tips given BEFORE the race and claim made AFTER THE RACE! Do you want the claim to be made BEFORE THE RESULT? ISN’T IT SELECTIVE AMNESIA. Refusing to accept the truth... I presume your IQ is 100+...
CRK has literally told you to shut up and do some productive work. Instead you start sermonising him and –‘ we will never spare or show partiality to anyone’ belies your sermon ; because some where you said we will never criticise a loser which perhaps is a part of you!!!??? What an amnesia!
To top it all, you write ‘dubious claim’. A man who can read ,write and understand and has (perhaps), reasonable IQ can not understand the truth AND THE FACTS ‘SPOKEN, WRITTEN, SHOWN, EXPOSED, EXPRESSED BEFORE THE EVENT’ and PROVED CORRECT after the event needs some urgent medical attention of a ‘particular’ speciality before things go beyond recovery...
The signals and the signs are there – digging old graves to look for the ‘Skeltons’...
Raghavan said ...
20-Mar-2017@Indian turf record. My big thanks.
Kolramsri said ...
20-Mar-2017
Dear ramiyer...Thank you for the acknowledgement and appreciation of my post. I will try to recollect and post interesting details pertaining to the topic. Wish you all luck.
Crk said ...
20-Mar-2017
@S.Kumar,
Sir,
Kindly accept my thanks for managing the contest so selflessly,along with BKD and others.I am also in complete agreement in the views expressed by you as may be clear from my previous post.As I can see there are genuine racing enthusiasts who are keen in their efforts to better their strike rate,besides posting their choices and in some case along with theirjustification. This needs to be appreciated,ofcourse not to mention your team's efforts and this website for providing us this forum,would be very wrong. We should as a matter of course correction,if I may say so,try to identify technical racing issues that can be taken up by knowledgeable persons benefitting the members in the long run,which in turn will help in educating each one of us to appreciate racing not just as a betting avenue,but as a sport of skill and knowledge.
Regards.
Regards.
Sir,
Kindly accept my thanks for managing the contest so selflessly,along with BKD and others.I am also in complete agreement in the views expressed by you as may be clear from my previous post.As I can see there are genuine racing enthusiasts who are keen in their efforts to better their strike rate,besides posting their choices and in some case along with theirjustification. This needs to be appreciated,ofcourse not to mention your team's efforts and this website for providing us this forum,would be very wrong. We should as a matter of course correction,if I may say so,try to identify technical racing issues that can be taken up by knowledgeable persons benefitting the members in the long run,which in turn will help in educating each one of us to appreciate racing not just as a betting avenue,but as a sport of skill and knowledge.
Regards.
Regards.
Kumar_blore said ...
20-Mar-2017
@raghavan,
I have seen such heroics during my early part(1990-2000) of racing.i have been witness to lot of such bets where they start with 1000rs and end up with around a lakh rupees.but it's not every day they are lucky,when they are in profits I have seen them turning up next day with huge bets and within a week ending up as losers.i always used to advise them not to be so reckless with their bets,which they never took.Today I still go to races(only the main centers),but I find all those hero's missing & that should tell a story.
When we are not guaranteed returns when we try gambling sensibly,such heroics won't take us any far.
@ chanakya,
I don't deny your claims,but your later bets have proved gambling is not an easy thing and one should see horse racing as a game of skill where you try to come out with some plus,or at least with your money back to sustain yourself in the long run.when we make some good profits,just enjoy those moments.we can't expect such moments often in gambling.
Finally next time when you post your lay bets, please identify the favorite and give sufficient reasons just like some others(mad Max,SFP,etc) are doing.please don't give some irresponsible statements like favorite will lose,with huge experience you have we expect some better things from you.i hope you realize what I meant.
No offense to anyone
I have seen such heroics during my early part(1990-2000) of racing.i have been witness to lot of such bets where they start with 1000rs and end up with around a lakh rupees.but it's not every day they are lucky,when they are in profits I have seen them turning up next day with huge bets and within a week ending up as losers.i always used to advise them not to be so reckless with their bets,which they never took.Today I still go to races(only the main centers),but I find all those hero's missing & that should tell a story.
When we are not guaranteed returns when we try gambling sensibly,such heroics won't take us any far.
@ chanakya,
I don't deny your claims,but your later bets have proved gambling is not an easy thing and one should see horse racing as a game of skill where you try to come out with some plus,or at least with your money back to sustain yourself in the long run.when we make some good profits,just enjoy those moments.we can't expect such moments often in gambling.
Finally next time when you post your lay bets, please identify the favorite and give sufficient reasons just like some others(mad Max,SFP,etc) are doing.please don't give some irresponsible statements like favorite will lose,with huge experience you have we expect some better things from you.i hope you realize what I meant.
No offense to anyone
Bkd said ...
20-Mar-2017
Hi Everybody,
What have we achieved out of this mudslinging session amongst the members of the forum?
Nothing: except that Chanakyaji has been cornered, due to his glorified plans of perceived richness and in his exuberance to share those grandiose thoughts with others, unfortunately (and obviously) has backfired!
Now, showing deference and respect to Chanakyaji's age....let's all shake hands and move forward!!!
Its high time that the warring parties led by Raghavanji call it a truce! Cheers!
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Instead, shall we all focus our energies on something more positive and relevant?
Actually, Ramiyerji & SK have exhorted me to put on my thinking cap and come out with a new version of a PTR contest....which I have taken 'seriously'.
Well, here is my PRELIMINARY plan, and I invite everyone with their views and suggestions to make it a realistic Contest of skill.
GAME CONCEPTS
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1-BANK OF RACING to provide a MAXIMUM, interest free LOAN/OVERDRAFT to all bonafide horse racing punters, a notional amount of Rs 50,000, spread equally over 25 Bangalore Summer Race meetings...that is: Rs 2000 per every race day.
2-The Punters/Contestants to post their betting strategy, with the base fund of 2000; thirty minutes before start of the first race.
3-MINIMUM bet per Race/Pool (Win,Shp, Place & Rolls) would be Rs 1000.
4-If the entire fund of Rs 2000 for the day has been lost, the punter can re-draw the same amount on the next race day, and so on..... until the maximum quota of Rs 50,000 has been availed of. Thereafter, he is out of the game.
5-If there is a Return of Investment on any given day, the contestant is expected to CAPITALISE upon his gains and therefore CANNOT avail of the fresh bank loan of Rs 2000 due to him, on the next race day.
Note: Withdrawal of a wagered horse for W/SHP/PL would be treated as Null and Void. No return of the betting amount would be accepted.
However, if it's a 3 race Roll bet, and one happens to be withdrawn..the same would be deemed to be a 2 Race Roll, if successful, and so on.
6-If a contestant fails to build upon his credit balance in the subsequent meetings and it falls back to ZERO..ONLY then, would he be allowed to draw afresh with the bank funded loan of 2K/race day.
Has in any case, to start from scratch.
7-Once the profits come in, the contestant can play or lay, whatever he chooses to, with no restrictions on the maximum betting amount.
Suppose he happened to lose a 'lay' bet....obviously, the corresponding tote dividend pertaining to the laid amount would be subtracted from his credit balance.
8-The Bank loan availed has to be repaid from the contestant's profits in one or several installments, according to convenience and strength of the balance sheet.
9-Objective of the contest is to convert Rs 2000 into Rs 200,000 in the shortest possible period, and that too, after having repaid the bank loan.
10-REWARDS and PENALTIES.
Reward: The fastest winner will be crowned as HT RACING GURUJI (there can however be several Gurujis)
Penalty: If the contestant fails to repay the bank loan, he would be deemed as a defaulter and black listed from entering any race course (for his own good!)
General Notes:
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1-End of the day posting by contestant would be mandatory, even if it is NIL returns.
2-The cumulative LOAN taken upto date, has to be necessarily mentioned in their daily post, alongwith Credit balance, as and if applicable.
3-Coordinator's task would be to monitor the cumulative loan taken, together with returns / progressive credit balance, and loans repaid.
That's it!
Friends, please feel free to fine tune this proposal if it appeals to you, and let us move ahead in a positive manner!
Regards,
BKD
What have we achieved out of this mudslinging session amongst the members of the forum?
Nothing: except that Chanakyaji has been cornered, due to his glorified plans of perceived richness and in his exuberance to share those grandiose thoughts with others, unfortunately (and obviously) has backfired!
Now, showing deference and respect to Chanakyaji's age....let's all shake hands and move forward!!!
Its high time that the warring parties led by Raghavanji call it a truce! Cheers!
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Instead, shall we all focus our energies on something more positive and relevant?
Actually, Ramiyerji & SK have exhorted me to put on my thinking cap and come out with a new version of a PTR contest....which I have taken 'seriously'.
Well, here is my PRELIMINARY plan, and I invite everyone with their views and suggestions to make it a realistic Contest of skill.
GAME CONCEPTS
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1-BANK OF RACING to provide a MAXIMUM, interest free LOAN/OVERDRAFT to all bonafide horse racing punters, a notional amount of Rs 50,000, spread equally over 25 Bangalore Summer Race meetings...that is: Rs 2000 per every race day.
2-The Punters/Contestants to post their betting strategy, with the base fund of 2000; thirty minutes before start of the first race.
3-MINIMUM bet per Race/Pool (Win,Shp, Place & Rolls) would be Rs 1000.
4-If the entire fund of Rs 2000 for the day has been lost, the punter can re-draw the same amount on the next race day, and so on..... until the maximum quota of Rs 50,000 has been availed of. Thereafter, he is out of the game.
5-If there is a Return of Investment on any given day, the contestant is expected to CAPITALISE upon his gains and therefore CANNOT avail of the fresh bank loan of Rs 2000 due to him, on the next race day.
Note: Withdrawal of a wagered horse for W/SHP/PL would be treated as Null and Void. No return of the betting amount would be accepted.
However, if it's a 3 race Roll bet, and one happens to be withdrawn..the same would be deemed to be a 2 Race Roll, if successful, and so on.
6-If a contestant fails to build upon his credit balance in the subsequent meetings and it falls back to ZERO..ONLY then, would he be allowed to draw afresh with the bank funded loan of 2K/race day.
Has in any case, to start from scratch.
7-Once the profits come in, the contestant can play or lay, whatever he chooses to, with no restrictions on the maximum betting amount.
Suppose he happened to lose a 'lay' bet....obviously, the corresponding tote dividend pertaining to the laid amount would be subtracted from his credit balance.
8-The Bank loan availed has to be repaid from the contestant's profits in one or several installments, according to convenience and strength of the balance sheet.
9-Objective of the contest is to convert Rs 2000 into Rs 200,000 in the shortest possible period, and that too, after having repaid the bank loan.
10-REWARDS and PENALTIES.
Reward: The fastest winner will be crowned as HT RACING GURUJI (there can however be several Gurujis)
Penalty: If the contestant fails to repay the bank loan, he would be deemed as a defaulter and black listed from entering any race course (for his own good!)
General Notes:
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1-End of the day posting by contestant would be mandatory, even if it is NIL returns.
2-The cumulative LOAN taken upto date, has to be necessarily mentioned in their daily post, alongwith Credit balance, as and if applicable.
3-Coordinator's task would be to monitor the cumulative loan taken, together with returns / progressive credit balance, and loans repaid.
That's it!
Friends, please feel free to fine tune this proposal if it appeals to you, and let us move ahead in a positive manner!
Regards,
BKD
Sam said ...
20-Mar-2017
Hi All, I understand that this is quite a topic and thread...and I would like to end this in a very simple way...
@Raghavn, I am going to follow Mr Chanakyaji and lay/ bet all his selections over the next one week to 2 months or whatever time to achieve 10 lakhs...Lets see the result?
@Chanakyaji, could you be so kind as to help me with the end result...I have been on the losing side of racing, so wouldn't mind accepting your winning strategy and taken on all these losers who keep complaining all the time.
I will bet any amount that you say or would simply start with Rs 1000...
Look forward to this wonderful challenge and result.
Best r
Sam
@Raghavn, I am going to follow Mr Chanakyaji and lay/ bet all his selections over the next one week to 2 months or whatever time to achieve 10 lakhs...Lets see the result?
@Chanakyaji, could you be so kind as to help me with the end result...I have been on the losing side of racing, so wouldn't mind accepting your winning strategy and taken on all these losers who keep complaining all the time.
I will bet any amount that you say or would simply start with Rs 1000...
Look forward to this wonderful challenge and result.
Best r
Sam
Manish said ...
20-Mar-2017
Mr. Ramiyer
U said that he was bullish on his choices. For that, we all are bullish.
But, did u see him playing 16000 on invitation cup and did u see him ebcashing one lakh and above. And what anout the tax part.
Hope u will reply.
U said that he was bullish on his choices. For that, we all are bullish.
But, did u see him playing 16000 on invitation cup and did u see him ebcashing one lakh and above. And what anout the tax part.
Hope u will reply.
Rakesh said ...
20-Mar-2017
HI all
Both are seniors... Have lot of knowledge.... Just an explanation..... In a country of racing, where
1) Be Safe loses to fellow mate (same Trainer) Quasar
2)Myrtlewood loses by Lengths and Lengths to Unmatched fellowmate Unicorn
3)Horses like Dubai One /Mystic Music win by lengths n lengths n lose by lengths in the very next race
4)Single Trainer pulls off 3-4 winners a day n draws a blank the very next day...
How can we believe one can convert 1000 to 1000000....?
Both are seniors... Have lot of knowledge.... Just an explanation..... In a country of racing, where
1) Be Safe loses to fellow mate (same Trainer) Quasar
2)Myrtlewood loses by Lengths and Lengths to Unmatched fellowmate Unicorn
3)Horses like Dubai One /Mystic Music win by lengths n lengths n lose by lengths in the very next race
4)Single Trainer pulls off 3-4 winners a day n draws a blank the very next day...
How can we believe one can convert 1000 to 1000000....?
Raghavan said ...
20-Mar-2017
@crk,
You have taken a high moral ground. T, and a selected few, among the horsetalk members question the veracity of anyone who makes big claims of gains or losses. If this sounds somewhat immature or unethical to you, so be it. One thing about which we are consistent is, we will never spare or show partiality to anyone. Obviously we are confronted with choice adjectives whose claims we have questioned.
What actually is your idea crk jee. Should we simply maintain absolute silence and let go unchallenged the dubious claims & bluffs of any member? Be assured. if we follow that rule and people are satisfied that no one will question their claims, then this site would be flooded with tall and bogus claims from all & sundry.
Just answer this simple question. Was there any necessity on the part of Chanakya to remind us about his so called 10 lakh gain and the usa trip?
If we remained silent, then there will be post from another member about his France trip, Singapore trip etc.
The list of those tipsters regarding whom you have high appreciation are commanding respect only because they are never bothered to boast about their gains.
So crk jee, this site is for all. You are welcome to follow your principles and ethics. At the same time, we follow our rule that some kind of checks and balances will harm no one. Our approach has one positive side effect, whether you recognise that or not. This site is spared from the silly claims of too many.
The day I am satisfied that we have wronged an elderly person, I will express my sincere and unconditional apologies to the concerned person. Why you are taking objection to our postings is something I can not understand. Are you hinting that I/we have no other work? If that is the case, I am ready to change. But for that you have to mention at least 2 or 3 postings from my side where I have targeted anyone unnecessarily.
You have taken a high moral ground. T, and a selected few, among the horsetalk members question the veracity of anyone who makes big claims of gains or losses. If this sounds somewhat immature or unethical to you, so be it. One thing about which we are consistent is, we will never spare or show partiality to anyone. Obviously we are confronted with choice adjectives whose claims we have questioned.
What actually is your idea crk jee. Should we simply maintain absolute silence and let go unchallenged the dubious claims & bluffs of any member? Be assured. if we follow that rule and people are satisfied that no one will question their claims, then this site would be flooded with tall and bogus claims from all & sundry.
Just answer this simple question. Was there any necessity on the part of Chanakya to remind us about his so called 10 lakh gain and the usa trip?
If we remained silent, then there will be post from another member about his France trip, Singapore trip etc.
The list of those tipsters regarding whom you have high appreciation are commanding respect only because they are never bothered to boast about their gains.
So crk jee, this site is for all. You are welcome to follow your principles and ethics. At the same time, we follow our rule that some kind of checks and balances will harm no one. Our approach has one positive side effect, whether you recognise that or not. This site is spared from the silly claims of too many.
The day I am satisfied that we have wronged an elderly person, I will express my sincere and unconditional apologies to the concerned person. Why you are taking objection to our postings is something I can not understand. Are you hinting that I/we have no other work? If that is the case, I am ready to change. But for that you have to mention at least 2 or 3 postings from my side where I have targeted anyone unnecessarily.
Santosh Kumar Vk said ...
20-Mar-2017
Mr Ragahavan
Let me make Mr chanakya's Mar 08,2017 post Concise for your Better Understanding.-
Racing may help me visit Europe
Rs.One million are needed for the trip and my efforts during Invitation day, have given me a good chance to realise my aim.
From Invitation day, I took this risk.
On Invitation day, I posted 4 selections on this site, through my mobile because I was in Bangalore and did not have access to a computer. They were - Bold March win, in race no 4, Shivalik Shower-place in race no 6 and Tororosso and Temerity(both)- win, in Invitation cup.
Bold March gave me Rs. 8,300 for initial investment of Rs. 1000. In race no 6 Shivalik Shower opened at Rs. 333 for win and 61 for place and tempted me to skip the race and go straight to Invitation cup but the pre race odds of3/1 on Tororosso and 5/1 on Temerity would give me only Rs. 25,000 maximum I decided to take the plunge on S.Shower and luckily it came 3rd. and I received Rs. 33,200. Dividing this money in equal part, I placed Rs 16,600 on both – Tororosso and Temerity.
Temerity paid Rs. 79 for a tenner and made me richer by Rs. 1,31,140...
He has only posted of his Likely Opportunity & his Invitation weekend Gains.
It is YOU who HAS gone about Posting Mindlessly on an uncalled for issue.
I Do not see his claim of having made 1 Million anywhere in the above post,or elsewhere.
Exposing Mr.Chanakya's bluff-When & where does it Exist kindly let me know.
Regards
Let me make Mr chanakya's Mar 08,2017 post Concise for your Better Understanding.-
Racing may help me visit Europe
Rs.One million are needed for the trip and my efforts during Invitation day, have given me a good chance to realise my aim.
From Invitation day, I took this risk.
On Invitation day, I posted 4 selections on this site, through my mobile because I was in Bangalore and did not have access to a computer. They were - Bold March win, in race no 4, Shivalik Shower-place in race no 6 and Tororosso and Temerity(both)- win, in Invitation cup.
Bold March gave me Rs. 8,300 for initial investment of Rs. 1000. In race no 6 Shivalik Shower opened at Rs. 333 for win and 61 for place and tempted me to skip the race and go straight to Invitation cup but the pre race odds of3/1 on Tororosso and 5/1 on Temerity would give me only Rs. 25,000 maximum I decided to take the plunge on S.Shower and luckily it came 3rd. and I received Rs. 33,200. Dividing this money in equal part, I placed Rs 16,600 on both – Tororosso and Temerity.
Temerity paid Rs. 79 for a tenner and made me richer by Rs. 1,31,140...
He has only posted of his Likely Opportunity & his Invitation weekend Gains.
It is YOU who HAS gone about Posting Mindlessly on an uncalled for issue.
I Do not see his claim of having made 1 Million anywhere in the above post,or elsewhere.
Exposing Mr.Chanakya's bluff-When & where does it Exist kindly let me know.
Regards
Raghavan said ...
20-Mar-2017
@ram iyer,
So, you feel terribly embarrassed that two of your friends are engaged in a fight and desire that we both find a way to stop this on a positive note.
At the outset, you may see that there is not even one person ready to believe Chanakya. And, this includes yourself & skumar.
So, Chanakya has been totally exposed.
In racing one can make one million from a starting balance of one crore but not with a starting balance of 1000.
The matter has gone too far. Chanakya has branded everyone who refused to believe his claim as perennial losers who only know how to shout at winners but not willing to give one winner.
Amused. The least Chanakya could have done before coming out with such a statement is to give 5/6 tips that he has given that clicked. the dozen 'eat' tips he has given during end Dec & early Jan is so loosely worded, that no one could make head or tail about that. Let me rewrite verbatim a sample of his tips.
"Chanakya said on Dec/25/2015 1.09.22 pm....favorites of races 4 , 6 and may be 7 are false favorites. May lose..."
No improvement in further postings either. 'Looks false favorites', 'may lose' etc. It is really surprising that Chanakya is emboldened to slam all the disbelievers with a sweeping statement "perennial losers, who can only shout at winners".
God bless Chanakya. I have demolished his claim of million gain. Almost everyone who has tweeted has ridiculed Chanakya. His protestations has impressed no one.
The ball is in Chanakya's court. He can give the calculations. OR he can at least maintain silence. I have started this thread. I have exposed his bluff. There is not much more I could speak on the issue. So as long as Chanakya does not harp on his so called 10 lakh gain, I also maintain silence.
So, you feel terribly embarrassed that two of your friends are engaged in a fight and desire that we both find a way to stop this on a positive note.
At the outset, you may see that there is not even one person ready to believe Chanakya. And, this includes yourself & skumar.
So, Chanakya has been totally exposed.
In racing one can make one million from a starting balance of one crore but not with a starting balance of 1000.
The matter has gone too far. Chanakya has branded everyone who refused to believe his claim as perennial losers who only know how to shout at winners but not willing to give one winner.
Amused. The least Chanakya could have done before coming out with such a statement is to give 5/6 tips that he has given that clicked. the dozen 'eat' tips he has given during end Dec & early Jan is so loosely worded, that no one could make head or tail about that. Let me rewrite verbatim a sample of his tips.
"Chanakya said on Dec/25/2015 1.09.22 pm....favorites of races 4 , 6 and may be 7 are false favorites. May lose..."
No improvement in further postings either. 'Looks false favorites', 'may lose' etc. It is really surprising that Chanakya is emboldened to slam all the disbelievers with a sweeping statement "perennial losers, who can only shout at winners".
God bless Chanakya. I have demolished his claim of million gain. Almost everyone who has tweeted has ridiculed Chanakya. His protestations has impressed no one.
The ball is in Chanakya's court. He can give the calculations. OR he can at least maintain silence. I have started this thread. I have exposed his bluff. There is not much more I could speak on the issue. So as long as Chanakya does not harp on his so called 10 lakh gain, I also maintain silence.
Crk said ...
19-Mar-2017
All,
Is Chanakya and his bets so important? Can we not move on to other less important racing matters not involving the elderly Chanakya.
Hats off to members like BKD,Dharmesh,Liberio,Hunter,Vapsmenon,Anushree,Abhay,Larry,Bhatia, Ram Other,and many others who selflessly only participate in giving their choices,even if it is just a contest.
There are so many technical racing issues that members can share and enlighten others.Please take a break and move on.
Yes,yes someone will just say -You take a break if it bothers you.We are enjoying the fun.
Seriously,a little introspection would be good.This is my view and not directed at anyone in particular.
Thanks and regards too.
Is Chanakya and his bets so important? Can we not move on to other less important racing matters not involving the elderly Chanakya.
Hats off to members like BKD,Dharmesh,Liberio,Hunter,Vapsmenon,Anushree,Abhay,Larry,Bhatia, Ram Other,and many others who selflessly only participate in giving their choices,even if it is just a contest.
There are so many technical racing issues that members can share and enlighten others.Please take a break and move on.
Yes,yes someone will just say -You take a break if it bothers you.We are enjoying the fun.
Seriously,a little introspection would be good.This is my view and not directed at anyone in particular.
Thanks and regards too.
Skumar said ...
19-Mar-2017
@ Ramiyer Ji,
Your desire and Expectancy from the TEAM COS (consisting of BKD JI, @The Doc, Rakesh, Libero, Srikanth JI, myself and NOT TO forget @ ADMIN) is not viable as of now ...Lets C what is in store whilst we are not all sync'ed on any plans as way forward as of now....
The Pains and agony expressed by the COS Team , time and again , is well justified , as the acknowledgements in TOM Krish Sir's Thread (13 replies) or for that matter Sagar Ji's Painstaking efforts to do something for HT'ians is not even acknowledged by the Contestants Per se....Leave alone some respected HT'ians who NEVER EVER fail to acknowledge and pass the complimentary's to the deserving contestants, they themselves have failed drastically to laud the efforts of the Podium finishers as well as the Organisers of these contests who do it only for passion.
The NON acknowledgements does not diminish the Stature and Persona of the successful contestants or the Organizers but yes reduces the Morale of these people....
A salute, to Sagar Ji and Dr Nath, Major Nargolkar Ji ( Retd), Tom Krish Sir and Many people, in this regard , who have atleast tried to do something for all of us , will always have to be 24 X 7 X 365 from all of us ....
I will tell you all a example to simplfy the Understanding of all in these Contests.....and I may be permitted to do so .....
Out of Many Bath's presribed by LORD is one which is known as " GO ( to be read COW) DHULI SNAAN" ....... which means walk behind the HERD of COW's when they are returning to the Cattle shed after they finish the grassing in the fields in the evenings....The amount of dust the Sacred Cow's generate and Create while they are walking back to the cattle sheds , you need to walk exactly behind them so that the dust they (COWS) generate falls on your entire body , is one which is considered as most sacred and is referred as " GO-DHULI-Snaan".....and purifies One's body, mind and soul , diminishes all the evils in your body .....
These are sect of people (Herd of Sacred COWS) who are always trying to do something to all of us...Just walk behind them ... you shall purify yourself....
HT'ians , i may be wrong in trying to prove my point but yes will definetely appreciate if some of you can come in and express your views to my points above....
Raghavan JI's such preachings and Posts are for sure missing for the past few years .....in HT....will be delighted to see his postings again....
Regards,
SK
I trust and sincerely hope that all will join me in views above
Your desire and Expectancy from the TEAM COS (consisting of BKD JI, @The Doc, Rakesh, Libero, Srikanth JI, myself and NOT TO forget @ ADMIN) is not viable as of now ...Lets C what is in store whilst we are not all sync'ed on any plans as way forward as of now....
The Pains and agony expressed by the COS Team , time and again , is well justified , as the acknowledgements in TOM Krish Sir's Thread (13 replies) or for that matter Sagar Ji's Painstaking efforts to do something for HT'ians is not even acknowledged by the Contestants Per se....Leave alone some respected HT'ians who NEVER EVER fail to acknowledge and pass the complimentary's to the deserving contestants, they themselves have failed drastically to laud the efforts of the Podium finishers as well as the Organisers of these contests who do it only for passion.
The NON acknowledgements does not diminish the Stature and Persona of the successful contestants or the Organizers but yes reduces the Morale of these people....
A salute, to Sagar Ji and Dr Nath, Major Nargolkar Ji ( Retd), Tom Krish Sir and Many people, in this regard , who have atleast tried to do something for all of us , will always have to be 24 X 7 X 365 from all of us ....
I will tell you all a example to simplfy the Understanding of all in these Contests.....and I may be permitted to do so .....
Out of Many Bath's presribed by LORD is one which is known as " GO ( to be read COW) DHULI SNAAN" ....... which means walk behind the HERD of COW's when they are returning to the Cattle shed after they finish the grassing in the fields in the evenings....The amount of dust the Sacred Cow's generate and Create while they are walking back to the cattle sheds , you need to walk exactly behind them so that the dust they (COWS) generate falls on your entire body , is one which is considered as most sacred and is referred as " GO-DHULI-Snaan".....and purifies One's body, mind and soul , diminishes all the evils in your body .....
These are sect of people (Herd of Sacred COWS) who are always trying to do something to all of us...Just walk behind them ... you shall purify yourself....
HT'ians , i may be wrong in trying to prove my point but yes will definetely appreciate if some of you can come in and express your views to my points above....
Raghavan JI's such preachings and Posts are for sure missing for the past few years .....in HT....will be delighted to see his postings again....
Regards,
SK
I trust and sincerely hope that all will join me in views above
Skumar said ...
19-Mar-2017
@ All Concerning the 68 Plus HT'ians in page 2 on the Topic which I name it as "Chanakya Saga" Part 1 and this thread being the Part-2.
I have maintained my stoic silence except for requesting all in the Part-1 series of this Mega Topic in the other thread, to stop this Matter and Park it permanently and otherwise i have not expressed anything more otherwise...
The Ramayana and Mahabharatha, the Two great pillars of our culture , very clearly states , you can never ever win and stay profitable in (Game or sport of skill, as we named it to glorify our perputual habit) Gambling...History is proof to substantiate the claims made under the above two great epics......
We are no exceptions except for countering Nay sayers to satisfy our ego, Perennial habits of spending in this sport.
Now coming back to the topic , since Shriman Ram Iyer ji went on oath authenticating on the pattern of bets of Shri Shri Chanakya Ji and moreso I was there in Bangalore in the Members stand, I wanted to really see what Ramiyer will express subsequently on this topic and very truly I have met him several times post return from Bangalore in Hyderabad, He did not express anything on this subject or the person in question...That also made me to think that Ramiyer will come with his rebut on the issue. As expected Ram has come in with his view point today....
The Original supporter of Mr Chanakya Ji's claim has himself backed off and hence we should be parking this issue once and for all....
It is sad to see that nobody is thinking of our Space Partner i.e. Indiarace.com and HT in particular and the amount of free space each one of us consuming for a topic which is not even worth 1ps in today's terms.
As far as Chanakya Ji's claims are concerned, I Have only one answer and that is "Not Possible" and Chanakya Ji need to really excuse me for my adverse comments.
We are living in a highly complex and competitive world and lets us not spend our time and Energy on topics which gives no results at all to any body and a topic through which is really be materialistic and productive to all should henceforth be implemented by one and all....
Though Iam biggest Critic of Maxy and SFP ...The quality of write ups of these has been of Extremely high standards and moreso benefits the Common Gullible and ALWAYS CONFUSED Punting community...My Kudos to both of them and would like to see more people joining as chorus with their quality contribution in these two peoples Journey into identification of prospective Winners.....
Thats all I have to pen down on this topic...Parso Suraj, Kal Chikka aur AAJ Trevor...This saga will go on and on and on ......till we stay alive on this Mother earth......how far this has mattered to us all at HT should be the only evaluation one need to do end of the day else......Sport of Skill will remain Sport of Skill on Paper.....The crooked always become the king in this Kaliyuga and thats where the burden is always there on the GOD also.....
Request one and all NOT to COME IN as REBUT as a Motive to my write up here instead try and understand where iam coming into this topic for a logical conclusion....
C U All and Pls take Care
Regards
SK
I have maintained my stoic silence except for requesting all in the Part-1 series of this Mega Topic in the other thread, to stop this Matter and Park it permanently and otherwise i have not expressed anything more otherwise...
The Ramayana and Mahabharatha, the Two great pillars of our culture , very clearly states , you can never ever win and stay profitable in (Game or sport of skill, as we named it to glorify our perputual habit) Gambling...History is proof to substantiate the claims made under the above two great epics......
We are no exceptions except for countering Nay sayers to satisfy our ego, Perennial habits of spending in this sport.
Now coming back to the topic , since Shriman Ram Iyer ji went on oath authenticating on the pattern of bets of Shri Shri Chanakya Ji and moreso I was there in Bangalore in the Members stand, I wanted to really see what Ramiyer will express subsequently on this topic and very truly I have met him several times post return from Bangalore in Hyderabad, He did not express anything on this subject or the person in question...That also made me to think that Ramiyer will come with his rebut on the issue. As expected Ram has come in with his view point today....
The Original supporter of Mr Chanakya Ji's claim has himself backed off and hence we should be parking this issue once and for all....
It is sad to see that nobody is thinking of our Space Partner i.e. Indiarace.com and HT in particular and the amount of free space each one of us consuming for a topic which is not even worth 1ps in today's terms.
As far as Chanakya Ji's claims are concerned, I Have only one answer and that is "Not Possible" and Chanakya Ji need to really excuse me for my adverse comments.
We are living in a highly complex and competitive world and lets us not spend our time and Energy on topics which gives no results at all to any body and a topic through which is really be materialistic and productive to all should henceforth be implemented by one and all....
Though Iam biggest Critic of Maxy and SFP ...The quality of write ups of these has been of Extremely high standards and moreso benefits the Common Gullible and ALWAYS CONFUSED Punting community...My Kudos to both of them and would like to see more people joining as chorus with their quality contribution in these two peoples Journey into identification of prospective Winners.....
Thats all I have to pen down on this topic...Parso Suraj, Kal Chikka aur AAJ Trevor...This saga will go on and on and on ......till we stay alive on this Mother earth......how far this has mattered to us all at HT should be the only evaluation one need to do end of the day else......Sport of Skill will remain Sport of Skill on Paper.....The crooked always become the king in this Kaliyuga and thats where the burden is always there on the GOD also.....
Request one and all NOT to COME IN as REBUT as a Motive to my write up here instead try and understand where iam coming into this topic for a logical conclusion....
C U All and Pls take Care
Regards
SK
Kolramsri said ...
19-Mar-2017
@ Indian Turf Record...Thank you once again for the clarification.
Indian_turf_record said ...
19-Mar-2017
@ Kolramsri
Result of 3rd race, Guindy, 30 March 1975.
Leading Owner Cup, 1200 m. (H'cap, Cl. IV)
1. Fire Dance (Figredo) 10/1
2. Khoorraat (Kripal Singh) 5/1
3. Gajham (Ananth Rao) 5/1
4. Dinero (M. Rahman) 8/1
Won by Nk, 5, 1/2 Time 1.15.8
Win Rs. 138 Places, Rs. 26, Rs. 18, Rs. 20.
Forecast Rs. 615 Tanala Rs. 1869
From the records I have, there does not seem to be Quinella in any of the races that day.
Result of 3rd race, Guindy, 30 March 1975.
Leading Owner Cup, 1200 m. (H'cap, Cl. IV)
1. Fire Dance (Figredo) 10/1
2. Khoorraat (Kripal Singh) 5/1
3. Gajham (Ananth Rao) 5/1
4. Dinero (M. Rahman) 8/1
Won by Nk, 5, 1/2 Time 1.15.8
Win Rs. 138 Places, Rs. 26, Rs. 18, Rs. 20.
Forecast Rs. 615 Tanala Rs. 1869
From the records I have, there does not seem to be Quinella in any of the races that day.
Kolramsri said ...
19-Mar-2017
Thank You So much ..INDIAN TURF RECORD.. for the trouble you took to get the things cleared. I would like to know whether Wings of Morn or Morn finished second to FIRE DANCE. I got payment on 6 Forecast tickets and 6 Quinella tickets, along with 840 rupees from book maker.
Ramiyer said ...
19-Mar-2017
Dear Raghavan sir,
I have ben maintaning a stoic silence after the intial debate on one of the earlier thread by Chanakyaji just because I dont want to add fuel to the fire.I never expected the arguments will go on like this.Since both of you I know personaly and I never expected it reached unexpected levels.
Dear Chankyaji,
Till last season M/s.Srikant,Raghavan,S.Kumar,Libero along with the Guidance of BKD was conducting a PTR contest for major centres.Hope you might have known the rules and the capital awarded to each participants.At the end of the season of a particular centre there will be four or five would be having some balance points in their kitty and they were placed according to the points earn and declared as winners.Last couple of years Mad max,Anthracite, and Doorstep has shown us their judicial placement of bets in various form and reaches I cr points within no time.Especially Mad max last season he accumulated
nearly a crore points within a first few days which was reallly a dare devilry even if I consider it that it is a contest in a paper.The very next day he lost all the points in a singl bet.That doesnt mean that he doubles every winning bets on his next betting horse,whether it is a lay of win,in real race.Earlier Golden girl, Mr.Sanjay has achieved success in this contests.But I envy these people.
But it is unbelievable that as a gambling punter we Can earn such a huge amount by investing a meagre 1k,even if it a lay double.In fact I dont know the rules or modus operandi of a lay bet.Neither me nor Raghavan sir had never attempted a lay bet.
Dear Fearless punter.
He made one lakh plus on the invitation day I know but just see after that he had lost all the money in his subsequent choices he has given,That is also true.Now again he has to begin from scratch.Singling out Raghavan sir as perinnial loser is a bit harsh.We are all including Chanakya sir are perinnial loosers only.Being a small time punter my capital for a racing day is 2 to 3k only.So ten racing days my investment will be 30k nearly out of that I mostly manage to get a big flukes and I may recover at least 15k at one stroke and the balance of 15k will be always a loss.But Iam happy that I could get 15k at one stroke and can be used for personnel purpose.So as a recurring deposit even if get my 50 percent Iam happy.
Finally appeal to Raghavan sir and Chanakyaji to end this essay in a postive thought and we may wait for the new season so that I hope the brainchild of the foursome headed by BKD,S.K,The,Doc,Rakesh will come up with a new ptr version which should resembles a real betting scenerio from the punters.Till then we wait.
Indian turf record.Iam amazed with your quick reply.Dear Kolramsri,I want to hear more about the past horses in future.Still you are remembering the horses names.It is simply astonishing.
I have ben maintaning a stoic silence after the intial debate on one of the earlier thread by Chanakyaji just because I dont want to add fuel to the fire.I never expected the arguments will go on like this.Since both of you I know personaly and I never expected it reached unexpected levels.
Dear Chankyaji,
Till last season M/s.Srikant,Raghavan,S.Kumar,Libero along with the Guidance of BKD was conducting a PTR contest for major centres.Hope you might have known the rules and the capital awarded to each participants.At the end of the season of a particular centre there will be four or five would be having some balance points in their kitty and they were placed according to the points earn and declared as winners.Last couple of years Mad max,Anthracite, and Doorstep has shown us their judicial placement of bets in various form and reaches I cr points within no time.Especially Mad max last season he accumulated
nearly a crore points within a first few days which was reallly a dare devilry even if I consider it that it is a contest in a paper.The very next day he lost all the points in a singl bet.That doesnt mean that he doubles every winning bets on his next betting horse,whether it is a lay of win,in real race.Earlier Golden girl, Mr.Sanjay has achieved success in this contests.But I envy these people.
But it is unbelievable that as a gambling punter we Can earn such a huge amount by investing a meagre 1k,even if it a lay double.In fact I dont know the rules or modus operandi of a lay bet.Neither me nor Raghavan sir had never attempted a lay bet.
Dear Fearless punter.
He made one lakh plus on the invitation day I know but just see after that he had lost all the money in his subsequent choices he has given,That is also true.Now again he has to begin from scratch.Singling out Raghavan sir as perinnial loser is a bit harsh.We are all including Chanakya sir are perinnial loosers only.Being a small time punter my capital for a racing day is 2 to 3k only.So ten racing days my investment will be 30k nearly out of that I mostly manage to get a big flukes and I may recover at least 15k at one stroke and the balance of 15k will be always a loss.But Iam happy that I could get 15k at one stroke and can be used for personnel purpose.So as a recurring deposit even if get my 50 percent Iam happy.
Finally appeal to Raghavan sir and Chanakyaji to end this essay in a postive thought and we may wait for the new season so that I hope the brainchild of the foursome headed by BKD,S.K,The,Doc,Rakesh will come up with a new ptr version which should resembles a real betting scenerio from the punters.Till then we wait.
Indian turf record.Iam amazed with your quick reply.Dear Kolramsri,I want to hear more about the past horses in future.Still you are remembering the horses names.It is simply astonishing.
Indian_turf_record said ...
19-Mar-2017
@ Raghavan
All race clubs are required by law to maintain and publish their duly audited accounts annually and all race clubs certainly do so. I am not aware if they post them on their websites or if newspapers have published abridged extracts.
The annual balance sheet is part of the documents that are placed before the members at the time of annual general elections. It is not difficult to get hold of such a document. You have to know a member of someone in the club office. Also, I am sure the club will provide you with a copy on nominal payment. Asking for it under RTI is another option but there was debate on this site whether race clubs come under RTI Act.
Since the accounts are audited by certified chartered accountants, a layman like me will not be able to rake up much by looking at it.
All race clubs are required by law to maintain and publish their duly audited accounts annually and all race clubs certainly do so. I am not aware if they post them on their websites or if newspapers have published abridged extracts.
The annual balance sheet is part of the documents that are placed before the members at the time of annual general elections. It is not difficult to get hold of such a document. You have to know a member of someone in the club office. Also, I am sure the club will provide you with a copy on nominal payment. Asking for it under RTI is another option but there was debate on this site whether race clubs come under RTI Act.
Since the accounts are audited by certified chartered accountants, a layman like me will not be able to rake up much by looking at it.
Raghavan said ...
19-Mar-2017
@Indian_Turf_Record,
1975! Even Guindy race club may not be able to give those details. A reliable library at your disposal. Great!
When Kolramsri asked these details, I never expected that you have the data ready.
Now, just a curiosity. Ignore if you are not knowing the answer.
All turf clubs are supposed to furnish financial statements (revenue, expenses, profit) to Incometax Dept. But whether they have published an abridged statement in any news paper or in their web site?
1975! Even Guindy race club may not be able to give those details. A reliable library at your disposal. Great!
When Kolramsri asked these details, I never expected that you have the data ready.
Now, just a curiosity. Ignore if you are not knowing the answer.
All turf clubs are supposed to furnish financial statements (revenue, expenses, profit) to Incometax Dept. But whether they have published an abridged statement in any news paper or in their web site?
Raghavan said ...
19-Mar-2017
@Chanakya,
If you say I am agreeing to 90k loss only and not 130k gain, then you just revisit the two threads (1. your profit statement in the thread "racing may finance my Europe trip" & 2. this one), use a magnifying glass and find out that post where I have doubted one and readily agreed to other.
All punters are losers. That is the constant statement from every one. Bettors & non bettors.
Some exceptions will always be there. Say, Rajinder Krishna. But people like Chanakya are among losers only. The difference may be in quantum of lose. For every 1000 loss from Raghavan, it may be 5000 to 10000 from Chanakya. OR vice versa. Theatrics & histrionics will not alter the facts.
Chanakya claims he is the winner. Raghavan admits he is the loser. No prizes for correctly guessing as to who among the two is bluffing.
For more than one year, I am asking the calculation sheet. But, you maintained silence. Today, a third party has demolished your claim of 10 lakh gain but still you try to put up a brave face.
I am not giving tips. That does not mean, I should be drumming "Jai Ho" to those who are giving tips. Even if that argument is accepted, there are several who are doing thankless job in this & other site.
You call me a unique person, a perennial loser, selective amnesia etc etc. But, first come with the calculation details of 12 lay bets. Otherwise no member will give credence to what you say.
We need not prove we are winners. For the simple reason that we are not winners. And we never claimed we are winners. You are also not a winner.
Even now, a chance for regaining your credibility. You do not need any certificate from 3rd parties. But, you have to shore up your diminishing credibility. Come with calculations. Do not worry about the figure falling much short of your 10 lakh.
Even before Prem posted his calculations, I have declared that your progressive plus after the 12th bet could not be 10 lakhs. Even I had done that calculations. But, desired it shall be better for a 3rd party to give the same.
If you say I am agreeing to 90k loss only and not 130k gain, then you just revisit the two threads (1. your profit statement in the thread "racing may finance my Europe trip" & 2. this one), use a magnifying glass and find out that post where I have doubted one and readily agreed to other.
All punters are losers. That is the constant statement from every one. Bettors & non bettors.
Some exceptions will always be there. Say, Rajinder Krishna. But people like Chanakya are among losers only. The difference may be in quantum of lose. For every 1000 loss from Raghavan, it may be 5000 to 10000 from Chanakya. OR vice versa. Theatrics & histrionics will not alter the facts.
Chanakya claims he is the winner. Raghavan admits he is the loser. No prizes for correctly guessing as to who among the two is bluffing.
For more than one year, I am asking the calculation sheet. But, you maintained silence. Today, a third party has demolished your claim of 10 lakh gain but still you try to put up a brave face.
I am not giving tips. That does not mean, I should be drumming "Jai Ho" to those who are giving tips. Even if that argument is accepted, there are several who are doing thankless job in this & other site.
You call me a unique person, a perennial loser, selective amnesia etc etc. But, first come with the calculation details of 12 lay bets. Otherwise no member will give credence to what you say.
We need not prove we are winners. For the simple reason that we are not winners. And we never claimed we are winners. You are also not a winner.
Even now, a chance for regaining your credibility. You do not need any certificate from 3rd parties. But, you have to shore up your diminishing credibility. Come with calculations. Do not worry about the figure falling much short of your 10 lakh.
Even before Prem posted his calculations, I have declared that your progressive plus after the 12th bet could not be 10 lakhs. Even I had done that calculations. But, desired it shall be better for a 3rd party to give the same.
Dhaveji said ...
19-Mar-2017
dear all,
in monsoon season i intend to make 1 lakh out of 1000
i shall disclose my bets and amount 1 hr before races.
i invite others also to participate.
dhaveji
in monsoon season i intend to make 1 lakh out of 1000
i shall disclose my bets and amount 1 hr before races.
i invite others also to participate.
dhaveji
Indian_turf_record said ...
19-Mar-2017
@ Kolramsri
MADRAS, Sunday 30 March 1975. Last day of the season. Jackpot (Great Seer, Fire Dance, Michael Angelo, Taj Mahal and Widoma Choropedi) paid Rs. 1,92,981 on single ticket.
Fire Dance (Figredo), trained by R. Reddy, won 3rd race by a neck. Records show that winner was at 10/1 and paid Rs. 138 on Tote. It is possible that being an outsider, different books would have had different odds.
Michael Angelo (M. Rahman), trained by Thompson, won 4th race by short-head and short-head. Book odds 5/1. Paid Rs. 64 on Tote.
Taj Mahal (Figredo), trained by G.M. Omkar, won 5th race. Book odds 8/1, paid Rs. 162 for win and Rs. 34 for place on Tote.
I can find no Wings of Morn or Morn winning on that day. The only winner trained that day by D. Hill was Widoma Choropedi.
Happy to provide whatever information I have.
MADRAS, Sunday 30 March 1975. Last day of the season. Jackpot (Great Seer, Fire Dance, Michael Angelo, Taj Mahal and Widoma Choropedi) paid Rs. 1,92,981 on single ticket.
Fire Dance (Figredo), trained by R. Reddy, won 3rd race by a neck. Records show that winner was at 10/1 and paid Rs. 138 on Tote. It is possible that being an outsider, different books would have had different odds.
Michael Angelo (M. Rahman), trained by Thompson, won 4th race by short-head and short-head. Book odds 5/1. Paid Rs. 64 on Tote.
Taj Mahal (Figredo), trained by G.M. Omkar, won 5th race. Book odds 8/1, paid Rs. 162 for win and Rs. 34 for place on Tote.
I can find no Wings of Morn or Morn winning on that day. The only winner trained that day by D. Hill was Widoma Choropedi.
Happy to provide whatever information I have.
Chanakya said ...
19-Mar-2017
@ Prem,
Your calculations are correct , but to win 1000 and not 500, at the start, I have to put 2100 to eat a favorite at odds of 2/1.
Furthermore, bookies at Mumbai accept 1000, 1500, 2000,2500... etc. and not odd figures so i have to augment my betting amount for any shortfall.
The detailed calculations are available on this forum during Dec.15 and Jan 16. Threads...
@ raghavan,
It is meaningless to have any discussion with a perennial loser, whose catchline is -“ all punters are losers†; who could never offer a winning tip during last several years and the one which he gave recently on insistence of somebody also failed to win.
A man who questions the winning of Rs. 1,31,000 in a day, but readily accepts the loss of 90,000 on another day is definitely a ‘unique’ person...
Furthermore, I don’t need any certification for my winnings from anybody because my bets were posted BEFORE THE RACES WERE RUN AND THE WINNING CLAIM WAS MADE AFTER Those races were run and ‘won’...
If you can’t understand this simple truth and keep on harping on your ‘losers’ mind set carry on with your monologue aided and supported by by others who could never,ever prove that they are/were winners any time...
Well, losers will always outnumber the winners in this game and their outbursts will be be louder, any day...
Your calculations are correct , but to win 1000 and not 500, at the start, I have to put 2100 to eat a favorite at odds of 2/1.
Furthermore, bookies at Mumbai accept 1000, 1500, 2000,2500... etc. and not odd figures so i have to augment my betting amount for any shortfall.
The detailed calculations are available on this forum during Dec.15 and Jan 16. Threads...
@ raghavan,
It is meaningless to have any discussion with a perennial loser, whose catchline is -“ all punters are losers†; who could never offer a winning tip during last several years and the one which he gave recently on insistence of somebody also failed to win.
A man who questions the winning of Rs. 1,31,000 in a day, but readily accepts the loss of 90,000 on another day is definitely a ‘unique’ person...
Furthermore, I don’t need any certification for my winnings from anybody because my bets were posted BEFORE THE RACES WERE RUN AND THE WINNING CLAIM WAS MADE AFTER Those races were run and ‘won’...
If you can’t understand this simple truth and keep on harping on your ‘losers’ mind set carry on with your monologue aided and supported by by others who could never,ever prove that they are/were winners any time...
Well, losers will always outnumber the winners in this game and their outbursts will be be louder, any day...
Raghavan said ...
19-Mar-2017
@Kolramsri,
"winning 130 times of investment is possible". Agreed. For that matter I have not expressed any doubt on that aspect.
@svp,
"Money from astrology"?
Let us say you go to a mahakali bhakth today. He will apply 'kumkum' on your forehead & asks you to do namaskaram to kali and then directs you to sit in front of kali photo or idol with eyes closed and folded hands.
After some om, hreem, phats, he will tell about your past correctly; about your previous 7 janmas correctly; about your future 7 births correctly. But ask him which horse will win, and he will run away and hide in netherworld.
Astrology, numerology, palmistry all have the knack of picking the winners. You see, Wind striker (no-10) won on 17th. After race, you can demonstrate that the 120/1 shot winner could have been easily located using Astrology. But, not only Wind striker; in 3000 races in a year you can demonstrate that all 3000 winners could have been located by applying Astrology. Not only winners, shp/place horse also. But the catch is you can only demonstrate after the races. Can not pick the winners before the races.
"winning 130 times of investment is possible". Agreed. For that matter I have not expressed any doubt on that aspect.
@svp,
"Money from astrology"?
Let us say you go to a mahakali bhakth today. He will apply 'kumkum' on your forehead & asks you to do namaskaram to kali and then directs you to sit in front of kali photo or idol with eyes closed and folded hands.
After some om, hreem, phats, he will tell about your past correctly; about your previous 7 janmas correctly; about your future 7 births correctly. But ask him which horse will win, and he will run away and hide in netherworld.
Astrology, numerology, palmistry all have the knack of picking the winners. You see, Wind striker (no-10) won on 17th. After race, you can demonstrate that the 120/1 shot winner could have been easily located using Astrology. But, not only Wind striker; in 3000 races in a year you can demonstrate that all 3000 winners could have been located by applying Astrology. Not only winners, shp/place horse also. But the catch is you can only demonstrate after the races. Can not pick the winners before the races.
Kolramsri said ...
19-Mar-2017
Request to Indian Turf Record......Could you please give results of that particular Last day of the Madras Season..Winner was Taj Mahal Poonacha ridden. Single J P payment.
Stop Fooling Punter said ...
19-Mar-2017
Dear Chanakya and guru.
the problem here is simple since majority who write here headed by one [who admitted a daily loser]they cannot under stand a winner in racing.
It is true the number is very few but there are some. A friend mine just backed MAM'S horses on Invitation day. He won couple of lakhs.
Of courses he laughed off when I asked him to write here.
Let this site not come down to losers cribbers and fault finders only.
Let us be positive think positive [courtsey Movie No entry]
the problem here is simple since majority who write here headed by one [who admitted a daily loser]they cannot under stand a winner in racing.
It is true the number is very few but there are some. A friend mine just backed MAM'S horses on Invitation day. He won couple of lakhs.
Of courses he laughed off when I asked him to write here.
Let this site not come down to losers cribbers and fault finders only.
Let us be positive think positive [courtsey Movie No entry]
Kolramsri said ...
19-Mar-2017
Raghavan..His making 130 times of his investment is possible, because I also made gains of similar amounts on 2 different occasions.I don't remember the year, but 3 bets in Madras Season on the last day of the season.First I played just 40 rupees Card with book maker @ 20 to one,6 tickets of Quinella and 6 tickets of Forecast,Winner was F I R E D A N C E ( Tyrell) Second was Wings of Morn (or Morn)trained by Hill. First race returns just below 4,000. I played 500+25 (525)Michelangelo ( trained by Thomson) @ 8 to one with Book Maker and lastly Place bet on Taj Mahal ( ridden by Poonacha).That day J P paid some 5 lacs on a single ticket.At the end of the day I was in plus little more than 13,000. Sometime in june or July 1976 while I was in Bombay (RWITC) I made more than 14,000 from IVB on Bangalore Races. All my bets from F C and Quinella , except the win bet with Book Maker on Horse T H E D O U B L E E A G L E(ridden by Shafiq , trained by Darashah) I went by Dadar Express and returned with family by Flight to Chennai ... Thanks to BTC Ltd. This Laying business, i never done so far. So no comments on that issue(making million by laying). All the above from memory.
Raghavan said ...
18-Mar-2017
@Fearless punter.
Seems you are confused.
Chanakya is a senior member, a good tipster and certainly a fearless punter!
There are two instances of profit claims by Chanakya.
1. 10 lakh gain during the period 25/12/2015 to 3/1/2016 (10 days). A good 18 months earlier to current days.
2. A 1.3 lakh gain during Invitation race days.
I do not recognise any profit claims from any body unless the concerned person gives his choices first and the betting plans also along with those selections.
Say one give Searjent at Arms as his tip. After the race if he says he staked 5k or 10k, I may agree. But if he says that he staked 1 lakh or more then there will be my post expressing disbelief.
Anyway, after seeing Ram Iyer's post, I did not bothered to question that claim of 1.3 lakh profit from Chanakya. I even asked one or two members to take his profit claim at face value.
In this thread, I am questioning his claim of 10 lakh gain during the 10 days 25/12/2015 to 3/1/2016. For his Invitation day profit claim there is a statement of support from Ram Iyer. I agree. But for this 10 lakh profit claim, there is no question of my agreeing to his claim since there is not evev theoretical possibility.
Let Chanakya or his admirers post one acceptable calculations to prove that he one 10 lakh with a starting risk of 1000. Then I will come up with my arguments that such wins are possible only on paper+pencil, not with real cash.
@svp
Prem is right. He has said profit 1500.. etc. But what he meant is balance after that race. First race 1000 risk, 500 gain, balance is 1500. So instead of balance 1500 he has said profit 1500. That is all.
Your 2nd doubt is about the bookies margin. We may disregard that aspect for the present discussion. You presume that the 2/1 odds that Prem has considered is after including the bookie's margin.
@Mad max,
I may agree if someone says Sun will rise in the West tomorrow. But, not the claims of profit from a person to who bets all races and vists race course all days. Even my questioning his profit claims, he has only choice adjectives towards me. Chaltha hai. He tried to take entire indiarace members for a ride. Miserably failed.
Seems you are confused.
Chanakya is a senior member, a good tipster and certainly a fearless punter!
There are two instances of profit claims by Chanakya.
1. 10 lakh gain during the period 25/12/2015 to 3/1/2016 (10 days). A good 18 months earlier to current days.
2. A 1.3 lakh gain during Invitation race days.
I do not recognise any profit claims from any body unless the concerned person gives his choices first and the betting plans also along with those selections.
Say one give Searjent at Arms as his tip. After the race if he says he staked 5k or 10k, I may agree. But if he says that he staked 1 lakh or more then there will be my post expressing disbelief.
Anyway, after seeing Ram Iyer's post, I did not bothered to question that claim of 1.3 lakh profit from Chanakya. I even asked one or two members to take his profit claim at face value.
In this thread, I am questioning his claim of 10 lakh gain during the 10 days 25/12/2015 to 3/1/2016. For his Invitation day profit claim there is a statement of support from Ram Iyer. I agree. But for this 10 lakh profit claim, there is no question of my agreeing to his claim since there is not evev theoretical possibility.
Let Chanakya or his admirers post one acceptable calculations to prove that he one 10 lakh with a starting risk of 1000. Then I will come up with my arguments that such wins are possible only on paper+pencil, not with real cash.
@svp
Prem is right. He has said profit 1500.. etc. But what he meant is balance after that race. First race 1000 risk, 500 gain, balance is 1500. So instead of balance 1500 he has said profit 1500. That is all.
Your 2nd doubt is about the bookies margin. We may disregard that aspect for the present discussion. You presume that the 2/1 odds that Prem has considered is after including the bookie's margin.
@Mad max,
I may agree if someone says Sun will rise in the West tomorrow. But, not the claims of profit from a person to who bets all races and vists race course all days. Even my questioning his profit claims, he has only choice adjectives towards me. Chaltha hai. He tried to take entire indiarace members for a ride. Miserably failed.
Raghavan said ...
18-Mar-2017
@Rrajesh,
To me also, it is not a pleasant pastime to cross examine anyone. Actually, Chanakya should have anticipated that any profit claim invites some equally strong refutation.
Well. Thanks Mr Prem. You have done a neat job. In fact, I also tried calculations on those lines only. But, I do not know what exactly the margin that bookies demand for lay bets. What I mean to say is for a horse bookies may quote 2/1 odds for win. But if a punter desires to eat on that horse, the bookies may insist 2.25 odds. That is to eat 1000, you have to take risk of 2250. Anyway, that is my assumption only. If what I am assuming is correct, then the bottomline will show figures much lower than what you have projected. Whatever it is, even disregarding the bookies margin, it is clearly evident that his claim of 10 lakh profit is highly exaggerated.
Now, to earn 3+ lakhs, he has to locate a bookie ready to accept the liability of 1.20 lakhs on Chanakya's willingness to risk 1.80 lakh risk. That is a separate thing.
@Confused punter,
Theoretically, I can prove that every punter can convert 1000 to 1 cr or more on a race day with 8/9 or 10 races. But no human being is blessed with that much of courage to roll 1000 on 3 or 4 flukes. People may bet 50, 100 etc on a 100/1 horse, Let us say, there are some bold & dashing characters ready to risk even 1000. The moment he counts 1,27,100 on such a win, the first thing that is sure to happen is his boldness/dashing character (what can be loosely translated as Dhairya Lakshmi) will say good bye. Leave alone betting the entire 1,27,100, he may not risk more than 2k or 3k in subsequent races of the day.
@Ram Krishna,
100% agree. No one, not even GOD, can win in races on a continuous basis. If that were the case, there would be reports of suicide by bookies every day.
@Manish,
Chanakya could have gracefully accepted that he did a mistake in claiming 10 lakh plus and the matter would have been closed long back. Instead, he is very much busy in making some unwanted comments about me. Well, I did expose his bluff. Now let us see how he substantiates his claim that he made million.
To me also, it is not a pleasant pastime to cross examine anyone. Actually, Chanakya should have anticipated that any profit claim invites some equally strong refutation.
Well. Thanks Mr Prem. You have done a neat job. In fact, I also tried calculations on those lines only. But, I do not know what exactly the margin that bookies demand for lay bets. What I mean to say is for a horse bookies may quote 2/1 odds for win. But if a punter desires to eat on that horse, the bookies may insist 2.25 odds. That is to eat 1000, you have to take risk of 2250. Anyway, that is my assumption only. If what I am assuming is correct, then the bottomline will show figures much lower than what you have projected. Whatever it is, even disregarding the bookies margin, it is clearly evident that his claim of 10 lakh profit is highly exaggerated.
Now, to earn 3+ lakhs, he has to locate a bookie ready to accept the liability of 1.20 lakhs on Chanakya's willingness to risk 1.80 lakh risk. That is a separate thing.
@Confused punter,
Theoretically, I can prove that every punter can convert 1000 to 1 cr or more on a race day with 8/9 or 10 races. But no human being is blessed with that much of courage to roll 1000 on 3 or 4 flukes. People may bet 50, 100 etc on a 100/1 horse, Let us say, there are some bold & dashing characters ready to risk even 1000. The moment he counts 1,27,100 on such a win, the first thing that is sure to happen is his boldness/dashing character (what can be loosely translated as Dhairya Lakshmi) will say good bye. Leave alone betting the entire 1,27,100, he may not risk more than 2k or 3k in subsequent races of the day.
@Ram Krishna,
100% agree. No one, not even GOD, can win in races on a continuous basis. If that were the case, there would be reports of suicide by bookies every day.
@Manish,
Chanakya could have gracefully accepted that he did a mistake in claiming 10 lakh plus and the matter would have been closed long back. Instead, he is very much busy in making some unwanted comments about me. Well, I did expose his bluff. Now let us see how he substantiates his claim that he made million.
Mad Max said ...
18-Mar-2017
@ Raghavan
No PUNTERS can make money from horse racing. Phir yeh kya cheez hai..? Jhoot ke bal par zinda hai kuch log? If you have luck you may make some amount in a race and invest double in the next race, only to realize that profit bhi gul, Capital bhi gul. 90% punters cannot control their bets. 90% of punters think if not today, there is tomorrow they will make it. That 'day' never comes till they die. Enjoy horse racing as a sport.
My advise to punters is to try first three races - only at major centers. The investment should be increased proportionally till the third race so that even if your first two bets lost and the third one passed, you should be benefited. There should not be any temptation to play the second race if you have already won the first race.
I cannot give you any formula for instant success, but I can give you the formula inching slowly to success, which will certainly please your soul and enjoy horse racing. If you have the will to win, you have achieved half your success; if you don’t, you have achieved half your failure.
All have forgotten that Chanakya has started same Betting strategy few months back and flopped severely. At that I have had so many arguments with him, presented the statistics. His mind is stuffed, whatever we say, he twists and distorts the meaning and insult us. How do we deal with someone who is completely irrational? That is the reason I stopped responding to Chanakya's article/posts/comments. AT THIS AGE he should stop playing CHEAP and CHILDISH.
Fearless Punter said ...
18-Mar-2017
Well Let me tell you Raghavan Sir,this allegation on chanakya ji is very big thing,because if you say chanakya lied about making 1 lakh on invitation day,then what about ramiyer's statement that he was a witness to chanakya ji's fireworks on that day?.So that means ramiyer too lied?.So thus is a big issue,facts have to come.
Hope ramiyer Sir,doesn't hide anymore.
Hope ramiyer Sir,doesn't hide anymore.
Dr Harun said ...
18-Mar-2017
Raghavan,
Its just a delusion of grandeur.
You can never find a bloke who would have made that much with a 1000.
Its just a delusion of grandeur.
You can never find a bloke who would have made that much with a 1000.
Svp said ...
18-Mar-2017
@ Prem (also others)
Please correct me if I am wrong.
My understanding is that for lay bets you can only win what you have staked if the horse does not win. Odds don't matter. Odds matter only if the horse wins (that is you lose).
For example, if the first eat bet on Madame Sultana (2/1) was Rs. 500, you only win Rs. 500. Not Rs. 1500. But if Madame Sultana would have won, you would have to pay Rs. 1,500 to the bookie.Also I think that is bookie is showing 2/1 on a horse, he gives you the horse to eat at 21/10 or 22/10.
To all.
A bet is a bet only when the name of the horse and the amount is specified BEFORE the race. "Blue Blaze, Iron Man, TaxFree -- only one can win. Who ? " is not a bet. But that is Chanakya's Niti. To beat drum after result is known.
BTW what happened to his you can money money from astrology ? Has given an account of it. I have kept reords and he is a loser.
Please correct me if I am wrong.
My understanding is that for lay bets you can only win what you have staked if the horse does not win. Odds don't matter. Odds matter only if the horse wins (that is you lose).
For example, if the first eat bet on Madame Sultana (2/1) was Rs. 500, you only win Rs. 500. Not Rs. 1500. But if Madame Sultana would have won, you would have to pay Rs. 1,500 to the bookie.Also I think that is bookie is showing 2/1 on a horse, he gives you the horse to eat at 21/10 or 22/10.
To all.
A bet is a bet only when the name of the horse and the amount is specified BEFORE the race. "Blue Blaze, Iron Man, TaxFree -- only one can win. Who ? " is not a bet. But that is Chanakya's Niti. To beat drum after result is known.
BTW what happened to his you can money money from astrology ? Has given an account of it. I have kept reords and he is a loser.
Guru said ...
18-Mar-2017
My investment on Invitation day Rs 830/- total return 23900/-. Racing after long gap. In fact some people whom i met were surprised I still existed. That stopped with one day fun
Ram Krishna said ...
18-Mar-2017
@Raghavan,
Even assuming that Chanakya Sir did win 10 lakhs by laying ( that it may be hogwash, is another matter), I am inclined to believe that he might have lost a lot more subsequently.
In racing, it is hard to aintain the winnings for a long time. Even Chanakya proved it convincingly, after losing most of his so-called earnings of nearly 1.3 lakhs on the very next day, and even more subsequently. It has been a super duper flop show from him.
Even assuming that Chanakya Sir did win 10 lakhs by laying ( that it may be hogwash, is another matter), I am inclined to believe that he might have lost a lot more subsequently.
In racing, it is hard to aintain the winnings for a long time. Even Chanakya proved it convincingly, after losing most of his so-called earnings of nearly 1.3 lakhs on the very next day, and even more subsequently. It has been a super duper flop show from him.
Confused P said ...
18-Mar-2017
Possibilities !!! At least in theory it exists !!
2-10 Wind Striker Win: 1271, Place 208
5-10 Tax Free Win: 52, Place 18
9-6 Montenegro Win 74, Place 25
4-10 Duke of Norfolk SHP: 390, Place 127
If by some Divine Revelation, a person had rolled a tenner win on the first three horses, he would have netted nearly 50-K !!
Imagine for a 1000 !! Could have booked a trip to the moon.
2-10 Wind Striker Win: 1271, Place 208
5-10 Tax Free Win: 52, Place 18
9-6 Montenegro Win 74, Place 25
4-10 Duke of Norfolk SHP: 390, Place 127
If by some Divine Revelation, a person had rolled a tenner win on the first three horses, he would have netted nearly 50-K !!
Imagine for a 1000 !! Could have booked a trip to the moon.
Rrajesh said ...
18-Mar-2017
if someone is happy commenting why bother....
if he is saying the truth good for him
if he is fibbing then too good for him
why bother
i say im quite a smart punter but im a loser
if he is saying the truth good for him
if he is fibbing then too good for him
why bother
i say im quite a smart punter but im a loser
Isr said ...
18-Mar-2017
@ Raghavan hi
Your assertion that it's not possible to make money is correct.
Your assertion that it's not possible to make money is correct.
Prem said ...
18-Mar-2017
raghavan. calculations for dozen lay bets as follows
madame sultana eat 500 rs risk 1000 - end of race profit 1500
free style eat 1500 = 3000 profits
top spot 2.50 so theoritically eat 1200 only. total profits 4200
tenessee - eat 2100.. total profits 6300
rain dance - eat 3500... total profits 9800
ice gate - eat 3250 - total profits 13050
desert fox- eat 5200 - total profits 18250
duke of earl - eat 10700 - total profits 28950
poll promise - eat 32100 - total profits 61050
enstatus elegans - eat 61000 - total profits 122050
haptic star - eat 67800 - total profits - 189850
angelia area-eat 126500 - total profits - 316350
10 lacs is not correct.
madame sultana eat 500 rs risk 1000 - end of race profit 1500
free style eat 1500 = 3000 profits
top spot 2.50 so theoritically eat 1200 only. total profits 4200
tenessee - eat 2100.. total profits 6300
rain dance - eat 3500... total profits 9800
ice gate - eat 3250 - total profits 13050
desert fox- eat 5200 - total profits 18250
duke of earl - eat 10700 - total profits 28950
poll promise - eat 32100 - total profits 61050
enstatus elegans - eat 61000 - total profits 122050
haptic star - eat 67800 - total profits - 189850
angelia area-eat 126500 - total profits - 316350
10 lacs is not correct.
Manish said ...
18-Mar-2017
That was a big bluff and he resorted to same technique this time also. He always starts with an advantage. This time also when his horses won, he started this campaign. Had he been serious, he would have stated in advance.
Secondly he did not make theoretical million with 1000. I ask a simple question to him. What would have been his loss_if his last bet would have failed?
The obvious answer should be 1000 plus earlier winnings. But the correct answer is 200000 plus earlier winnings.
More to follow
Secondly he did not make theoretical million with 1000. I ask a simple question to him. What would have been his loss_if his last bet would have failed?
The obvious answer should be 1000 plus earlier winnings. But the correct answer is 200000 plus earlier winnings.
More to follow
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