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By Chanakya | 22-Apr-2017
A thoroughbred (TB) is not a natural breed but is a creation of humans (homo sapiens )and therefore will have some shortcomings because the Darwin’s law of ‘ survival of the fittest’ is not fully applicable to him because they are not exposed to the vagaries of nature to survive...
"Finding an American racehorse trained on the traditional hay, oats, and water probably would be impossible,†commented John Scheinman in Washington Post on 27/4/2003… Veterinarians give them drugs to keep them on the track when they shouldn’t be racing.
"There are trainers pumping horses full of illegal drugs every day,†says a former Churchill Downs public relations director in MAXIM (may 2002) “With so much money on the line, people will do anything to make their horses run faster.†The New York Sun opined that because “thoroughbreds are bred for flashy speed and to look good in the sales ring … the animal itself has become more fragileâ€
R Dutrow, the trainer of Big Brown who won Kentucky Derby and Preakness Stakes has admitted giving Winstrol which was withdrawn before he ran in Belmont and ended in the rear rather than in front.
Makes me reminiscence… few reminiscences dating back to 90’s of last century!
Long ago- 22 years is a pretty long time in racing parlance, an editorial in ‘The Indian Thoroughbred’ in Jan ’91 gave the names of more than a dozen trainers (some of them dead now) of western India who were ‘offenders’ of drug abuse – more than 100 minor and major violations of the use of prohibited drugs were detected at that time. Again in 1994 the story was repeated and while 10 cases were reported for ‘drug abuse’ in western India after 900 samples were tested; none ( not a single) was tested positive out of 600 samples sent for test from rest of the racing centers(Bangalore, Hyderabad, Chennai, Delhi, etc.). The only exception was that while all the samples of western India were sent to forensic labs ‘outside’ India; all the samples from ‘rest of India’ were tested in India only! No more comments, because it happened in last century!
Why some (or many?) of the trainers use, with the tacit approval of the owners, these drugs?
More than 1300 in India , more than 35,000 in U.S.A. and if we take into account the worldwide produce more than 1,00,000 thoroughbreds(TB) are born every year and considering the racing life of an average TB as 5 yrs. Every year more than 5,00,000 TB’s compete for a prize money of more than 10 billion dollars at more than 500 racetracks round the year across the world.. But it is not the last word.
Greed and a desire to earn easy money forces human beings to use foul and fair means resulting in the cruel death of Aldyar (to claim insurance money), Phar Lap( poisoned by US mafia) , Ruffian ,Eight Belle and many more TB’s in USA and elsewhere.
As per official estimates USA wagers more than 15 billon dollars, Japan about 11 billion dollars, Australia around 8 billion dollars and all over the world including Europe and Asia more than 80 billion dollars are wagered every year on horseracing. This also includes a conservative estimate of about 2 to 2.5 billion dollar gamble by Indian punters on 8 racetracks, across India where about 3500 runners try to win a purse of about Rs. 70 crore (about 15 million dollars) from more than 3500 races.
Therefore, every year, in the horseracing arena , about 100 billion dollars( including the stakes) of easy money(?) is available for picking by some enterprising, clever, Intelligent ,shrewd gambler from a motley crowd of about one million hard core punters scattered around the world and about 2 million professionals- including syces and helpers… In India about Rs. 70 crores of stakes money and a wager of roughly 2 to 3 billion dollar is available to 10,000 hardcore gamblers and about 20,000 professionals including daily wage earners.
With this background information we can understand that the urge to make money by any means may /will overshadow and overwhelm all ethical moral and correct methods of winning a race and strengthens the opinion of a famous American critic that – horseracing actually has been reduced to a chemical warfare.
But why professionals – including breeders, use drugs on young juveniles?
Though crude form of steroids can be traced to Greek mythology, it was actually to rejuvenate the war weary soldiers of Second World War and the malnourished POW’s and Jews of concentration camp which were primarily given these muscle building, energy giving growth hormones. In 50’s European and Russian athletes started using them . the authorities caught up and banished many of them-the most famous athlete who lost his Olympic gold medal was Ben Johnson.
While some corticosteroids can be used as joint injection for pain all anabolic steroids are banned universally because they artificially increase, concentration of red blood cells ,muscle mass and development, body mass, skeletal structure etc. and enhance temporarily the strength ,endurance speed and stamina thereby giving undue advantage to a thoroughbred over his competition.
Many of my distractors may ask why am I using only USA examples- simply because, they are authentic, well documented, proven and well researched. Our Indian thoroughbred's drug related information is all hush-hush...
"Finding an American racehorse trained on the traditional hay, oats, and water probably would be impossible,†commented John Scheinman in Washington Post on 27/4/2003… Veterinarians give them drugs to keep them on the track when they shouldn’t be racing.
"There are trainers pumping horses full of illegal drugs every day,†says a former Churchill Downs public relations director in MAXIM (may 2002) “With so much money on the line, people will do anything to make their horses run faster.†The New York Sun opined that because “thoroughbreds are bred for flashy speed and to look good in the sales ring … the animal itself has become more fragileâ€
R Dutrow, the trainer of Big Brown who won Kentucky Derby and Preakness Stakes has admitted giving Winstrol which was withdrawn before he ran in Belmont and ended in the rear rather than in front.
Makes me reminiscence… few reminiscences dating back to 90’s of last century!
Long ago- 22 years is a pretty long time in racing parlance, an editorial in ‘The Indian Thoroughbred’ in Jan ’91 gave the names of more than a dozen trainers (some of them dead now) of western India who were ‘offenders’ of drug abuse – more than 100 minor and major violations of the use of prohibited drugs were detected at that time. Again in 1994 the story was repeated and while 10 cases were reported for ‘drug abuse’ in western India after 900 samples were tested; none ( not a single) was tested positive out of 600 samples sent for test from rest of the racing centers(Bangalore, Hyderabad, Chennai, Delhi, etc.). The only exception was that while all the samples of western India were sent to forensic labs ‘outside’ India; all the samples from ‘rest of India’ were tested in India only! No more comments, because it happened in last century!
Why some (or many?) of the trainers use, with the tacit approval of the owners, these drugs?
More than 1300 in India , more than 35,000 in U.S.A. and if we take into account the worldwide produce more than 1,00,000 thoroughbreds(TB) are born every year and considering the racing life of an average TB as 5 yrs. Every year more than 5,00,000 TB’s compete for a prize money of more than 10 billion dollars at more than 500 racetracks round the year across the world.. But it is not the last word.
Greed and a desire to earn easy money forces human beings to use foul and fair means resulting in the cruel death of Aldyar (to claim insurance money), Phar Lap( poisoned by US mafia) , Ruffian ,Eight Belle and many more TB’s in USA and elsewhere.
As per official estimates USA wagers more than 15 billon dollars, Japan about 11 billion dollars, Australia around 8 billion dollars and all over the world including Europe and Asia more than 80 billion dollars are wagered every year on horseracing. This also includes a conservative estimate of about 2 to 2.5 billion dollar gamble by Indian punters on 8 racetracks, across India where about 3500 runners try to win a purse of about Rs. 70 crore (about 15 million dollars) from more than 3500 races.
Therefore, every year, in the horseracing arena , about 100 billion dollars( including the stakes) of easy money(?) is available for picking by some enterprising, clever, Intelligent ,shrewd gambler from a motley crowd of about one million hard core punters scattered around the world and about 2 million professionals- including syces and helpers… In India about Rs. 70 crores of stakes money and a wager of roughly 2 to 3 billion dollar is available to 10,000 hardcore gamblers and about 20,000 professionals including daily wage earners.
With this background information we can understand that the urge to make money by any means may /will overshadow and overwhelm all ethical moral and correct methods of winning a race and strengthens the opinion of a famous American critic that – horseracing actually has been reduced to a chemical warfare.
But why professionals – including breeders, use drugs on young juveniles?
Though crude form of steroids can be traced to Greek mythology, it was actually to rejuvenate the war weary soldiers of Second World War and the malnourished POW’s and Jews of concentration camp which were primarily given these muscle building, energy giving growth hormones. In 50’s European and Russian athletes started using them . the authorities caught up and banished many of them-the most famous athlete who lost his Olympic gold medal was Ben Johnson.
While some corticosteroids can be used as joint injection for pain all anabolic steroids are banned universally because they artificially increase, concentration of red blood cells ,muscle mass and development, body mass, skeletal structure etc. and enhance temporarily the strength ,endurance speed and stamina thereby giving undue advantage to a thoroughbred over his competition.
Many of my distractors may ask why am I using only USA examples- simply because, they are authentic, well documented, proven and well researched. Our Indian thoroughbred's drug related information is all hush-hush...
44 Replies
Raghavan said ...
01-May-2017
@Maharishi,
I am happy that you saw nothing objectionable in my posts.
I have spoken. Others have spoken. Chanakya has spoken. And you are faulting those who have indulged in badmouthing. But have all the good words to Chanakya.
The least you could have done is to mention the persons who used bad words and highlighted those lines that were in bad taste.
People concerned could have replied why they used those words.
Let me be frank. No one is saint. Yours faithfully included. Everyone has his/her share of weakness. Everyone is having his quota of ego. You may be having some extra admiration to some of the members who interact in this site. You are fully at liberty to carry on with your hero-worship nature by praising those worthies sky high. But when you are finding that somebody is indulging in unreasonable attack on whom you admire, then do not make a sweeping statement; be specific as to who were unreasonable and what are those words/lines that you consider unreasonable.
I am speaking in the most direct language. My point is there is a big variation in the Chanakya's profit claims and our calculations.
And it is for Chanakya to reply. If he does not reply, that is O K to me. But, others who intervene should be impartial. If you are finding others' language unreasonable, then just answer whether everything that Chanakya stated is reasonable?
I am happy that you saw nothing objectionable in my posts.
I have spoken. Others have spoken. Chanakya has spoken. And you are faulting those who have indulged in badmouthing. But have all the good words to Chanakya.
The least you could have done is to mention the persons who used bad words and highlighted those lines that were in bad taste.
People concerned could have replied why they used those words.
Let me be frank. No one is saint. Yours faithfully included. Everyone has his/her share of weakness. Everyone is having his quota of ego. You may be having some extra admiration to some of the members who interact in this site. You are fully at liberty to carry on with your hero-worship nature by praising those worthies sky high. But when you are finding that somebody is indulging in unreasonable attack on whom you admire, then do not make a sweeping statement; be specific as to who were unreasonable and what are those words/lines that you consider unreasonable.
I am speaking in the most direct language. My point is there is a big variation in the Chanakya's profit claims and our calculations.
And it is for Chanakya to reply. If he does not reply, that is O K to me. But, others who intervene should be impartial. If you are finding others' language unreasonable, then just answer whether everything that Chanakya stated is reasonable?
Maharshi said ...
01-May-2017
@raghavan sir,
No no sir, probably neutral may not be opt word for the occasion. My vocabulary is very poor hence I couldnt find correct word. I have little hero-worship towards few people on horse talk(in fact many). My post may not be neutral.But sir, u r a soft spoken person. I have not seen seriously objectionable language in your posts in other thread when there is war of words between both of you.But sir, one of the early reply in this thread(not u) is a symbol of very bad taste. Since then another respectable person came into picture even with no reasonable language.
No no sir, probably neutral may not be opt word for the occasion. My vocabulary is very poor hence I couldnt find correct word. I have little hero-worship towards few people on horse talk(in fact many). My post may not be neutral.But sir, u r a soft spoken person. I have not seen seriously objectionable language in your posts in other thread when there is war of words between both of you.But sir, one of the early reply in this thread(not u) is a symbol of very bad taste. Since then another respectable person came into picture even with no reasonable language.
Raghavan said ...
01-May-2017
@maharishi,
You said you are a neutral person.
You believe in all the transactions as told by the person.
Some of the posts addressed to him are not reasonable.
O K. In that case leave it to Chanakya to decide whether to respond to the other's criticisms or not.
Frankly, myself or most of the persons who have addressed Chanakya also do not have anything personal against Chanakya.
We have questioned his profit claims. And there were responses from him. This is totally at variance with your statement that "Chanakya hardly responded to the criticisms directed at him". If you decided to gloss over all postings from Chanakya and pass an outright judgement that they are all 100% correct and all those who question him are unreasonable, then I have very little to say.
Only thing that I can say is you have totally different understanding of the meaning of the word "neutral".
You said you are a neutral person.
You believe in all the transactions as told by the person.
Some of the posts addressed to him are not reasonable.
O K. In that case leave it to Chanakya to decide whether to respond to the other's criticisms or not.
Frankly, myself or most of the persons who have addressed Chanakya also do not have anything personal against Chanakya.
We have questioned his profit claims. And there were responses from him. This is totally at variance with your statement that "Chanakya hardly responded to the criticisms directed at him". If you decided to gloss over all postings from Chanakya and pass an outright judgement that they are all 100% correct and all those who question him are unreasonable, then I have very little to say.
Only thing that I can say is you have totally different understanding of the meaning of the word "neutral".
Bkd said ...
29-Apr-2017
@ Chanakya,
You are a lucky man indeed! Your family is so understanding and humane?
Mine, under a similar scenario such as yours, would have literally kicked me out of my own house, or perhaps would have confined me to an Old Age Asylum!
Omigosh...I'm really surprised at their tolerance level in harbouring such an incorrigible gambler and inveterate liar @ 80+. Obviously, the very reasons for your dismissal from defence services! God help you and your fraternity!
I must confess that you are really a 'smart' alec, by being able to key in volumes of crap through your smartphone or even posting your 'selections' from the race course itself...5 minutes before start of the races??
Wow...what a yeoman service you have been rendering to the Horsetalkers!
Maybe the vigilantes too, have been turning a blind eye to your smartphone usage, right in front of their noses? They are perhaps aware of your ex-Defence background and therefore condone your indiscretion, day in and day out?
You have still not revealed the name of your ‘mystery’ bookie, who apparently esteems your net worth very highly! DON’T…..the cat will be out of the bag if ever you open your goddamned mouth!
One more thing, I don't work for any Corporate...I manage my own business and have a staff strength of over 80 people. My Sr. Managers earn a salary of Rs 50K/month++…..and they don’t gamble!
@ Stop Fooling Punter,
I refuse to interact with double-speak people of your standing and reputation, which is way below my dignity...so lay off and mind your own stupid business! (that is: if you have any; other than gambling and chamchagiri!)
You are a lucky man indeed! Your family is so understanding and humane?
Mine, under a similar scenario such as yours, would have literally kicked me out of my own house, or perhaps would have confined me to an Old Age Asylum!
Omigosh...I'm really surprised at their tolerance level in harbouring such an incorrigible gambler and inveterate liar @ 80+. Obviously, the very reasons for your dismissal from defence services! God help you and your fraternity!
I must confess that you are really a 'smart' alec, by being able to key in volumes of crap through your smartphone or even posting your 'selections' from the race course itself...5 minutes before start of the races??
Wow...what a yeoman service you have been rendering to the Horsetalkers!
Maybe the vigilantes too, have been turning a blind eye to your smartphone usage, right in front of their noses? They are perhaps aware of your ex-Defence background and therefore condone your indiscretion, day in and day out?
You have still not revealed the name of your ‘mystery’ bookie, who apparently esteems your net worth very highly! DON’T…..the cat will be out of the bag if ever you open your goddamned mouth!
One more thing, I don't work for any Corporate...I manage my own business and have a staff strength of over 80 people. My Sr. Managers earn a salary of Rs 50K/month++…..and they don’t gamble!
@ Stop Fooling Punter,
I refuse to interact with double-speak people of your standing and reputation, which is way below my dignity...so lay off and mind your own stupid business! (that is: if you have any; other than gambling and chamchagiri!)
Maharshi said ...
29-Apr-2017
chanakya sir,
I am a neutral person, neither a serious punter(do punt a little bit, for me now racing is like a thriller movie) nor a knowledgeable person, but read HT atleast 5 or 6 times a day. All your (hardly 15 or 20 for last 4 years) posts are good, at least for a habitual reader like me they are feast. I firmly believe you regarding your transactions, you never criticized any one in any thread, hardly u responded to criticism on you. Coming back to this thread, I thought you must not respond to some of these comments. But last 7 or 8 responses from others are not reasonable, so you need not stop replying them.
MADMAX sir
You have an exceptional racing knowledge, I literally enjoyed each and every info posted by you, Kudos sir. Hope you will keep doing same. No need for a person like you to involve in these type of verbal blasts. I am you big fan of your writeups.
I am a neutral person, neither a serious punter(do punt a little bit, for me now racing is like a thriller movie) nor a knowledgeable person, but read HT atleast 5 or 6 times a day. All your (hardly 15 or 20 for last 4 years) posts are good, at least for a habitual reader like me they are feast. I firmly believe you regarding your transactions, you never criticized any one in any thread, hardly u responded to criticism on you. Coming back to this thread, I thought you must not respond to some of these comments. But last 7 or 8 responses from others are not reasonable, so you need not stop replying them.
MADMAX sir
You have an exceptional racing knowledge, I literally enjoyed each and every info posted by you, Kudos sir. Hope you will keep doing same. No need for a person like you to involve in these type of verbal blasts. I am you big fan of your writeups.
Kumar_blore said ...
29-Apr-2017
@chanakya,
All I said was to share our best moments with people known to us,if we are trying to do such things on a public forum it's obvious we will get negative comments as well unless we come out with proper proof.lets start fresh and try responding fellow HT people with some respect,if that's not possible atleast being a mute spectator should be good.you can't achieve anything by degrading others
@BKD&Cos team,
Since your team has done a lot to come up with different contests time & again to benefit people who follow horsetalk,I request you to please refrain from such harsh words against Chanakya.I really have high regards about you & your team,so it doesn't matter who says what that can't take away your & your team's? contribution in horsetalk.so I request you to just ignore such msgs and move on.
Just my views,sorry if I said something wrong.
All I said was to share our best moments with people known to us,if we are trying to do such things on a public forum it's obvious we will get negative comments as well unless we come out with proper proof.lets start fresh and try responding fellow HT people with some respect,if that's not possible atleast being a mute spectator should be good.you can't achieve anything by degrading others
@BKD&Cos team,
Since your team has done a lot to come up with different contests time & again to benefit people who follow horsetalk,I request you to please refrain from such harsh words against Chanakya.I really have high regards about you & your team,so it doesn't matter who says what that can't take away your & your team's? contribution in horsetalk.so I request you to just ignore such msgs and move on.
Just my views,sorry if I said something wrong.
Chanakya said ...
29-Apr-2017
@bkd,
Hats off!
You have even discovered from your friends, where I live , how I commute to racecourse, etc. etc...
After your last posting - I neither feel pity nor anger on your frustration but a sense of sympathy which everybody has for a morbid and low IQ (less than 90) unfortunate...
You wondered how I was able to post my selections 5 or 10 or 15 minutes before entering the race course while travelling by train, taxi, bus, auto or on foot...
I’ll give a hint !
Have you heard about or seen a smart phone? It is a gadget which can post tips, articles, information etc. , any time from anywhere...
Ask your standard 2 child , who will explain in detail how to use it...
This is why I ask you to do some original or useful work, because what you are doing even a standard 2 child can do better...
The days of the ‘company ‘ which ‘gives’ you chauffer driven sedan are numbered- no doubt. If there is anybody from the ‘company’ reading this thread, he/she should copy this ‘intellectual’s’ interactions of this thread and put it up immediately to the Board of Directors to save that company going bankrupt or face dissolution in near future...
Any way it is useless to continue with persons, who live in 'virtual' world and feel elated by winning 'virtual' numbers , 'virtual' praise...
My sincere advice : learn how to make real money from races...
Hats off!
You have even discovered from your friends, where I live , how I commute to racecourse, etc. etc...
After your last posting - I neither feel pity nor anger on your frustration but a sense of sympathy which everybody has for a morbid and low IQ (less than 90) unfortunate...
You wondered how I was able to post my selections 5 or 10 or 15 minutes before entering the race course while travelling by train, taxi, bus, auto or on foot...
I’ll give a hint !
Have you heard about or seen a smart phone? It is a gadget which can post tips, articles, information etc. , any time from anywhere...
Ask your standard 2 child , who will explain in detail how to use it...
This is why I ask you to do some original or useful work, because what you are doing even a standard 2 child can do better...
The days of the ‘company ‘ which ‘gives’ you chauffer driven sedan are numbered- no doubt. If there is anybody from the ‘company’ reading this thread, he/she should copy this ‘intellectual’s’ interactions of this thread and put it up immediately to the Board of Directors to save that company going bankrupt or face dissolution in near future...
Any way it is useless to continue with persons, who live in 'virtual' world and feel elated by winning 'virtual' numbers , 'virtual' praise...
My sincere advice : learn how to make real money from races...
Stop Fooling Punter said ...
29-Apr-2017
BKD touches the nadir of his left over sense .
Making allegations like court martial or dismissed from service without an iota of proof shows today he is totally unfit to run any contest whats so ever.
Sad see him loose his marbles.
Guys let us stick to the topic and not indulge in what BKD has done.
It is clear as a day his mounting losses has effected him badly and his thinking.
I am sure Sagar ji Srikanth Raghavan will now realise this.Kumar you are rsational person I am sure you also must be shocked at this out burst.
Making allegations like court martial or dismissed from service without an iota of proof shows today he is totally unfit to run any contest whats so ever.
Sad see him loose his marbles.
Guys let us stick to the topic and not indulge in what BKD has done.
It is clear as a day his mounting losses has effected him badly and his thinking.
I am sure Sagar ji Srikanth Raghavan will now realise this.Kumar you are rsational person I am sure you also must be shocked at this out burst.
Chanakya said ...
28-Apr-2017
@kumar _Bangalore,
Nice to read a reasoned out opinion after a long time.
I am doing well –really well , I don’t know because parameters differ...
I do share my emotions with my loved ones because unlike others I bring my racebook home and study for mistakes or correct decisions i made IN FRONT OF THEM , UNLIKE MOST OF THE PUNTERS, WHO THROW THE BOOK BEFORE LEAVING THE RACE COURSE!
My family knows who I am and what I am doing in /about horse racing or what I’ll do in future...
I’ve never digressed from horse racing topics unless some of your known/unknown friends did that!
Out of 5500 threads on the net at different sites , find out the truth, if you can...
...’don’t use such harsh language against the group’...
Please read carefully, again and again.
The harsh words are not against the group or group members – they were against the phoney organiser( who calls himself ‘ bkd ‘-_ no (capitals) who wanted to gain recognition for a work which a grade 2child can also do – perhaps better!
NOW LOOK AT THESE WORDS USED BY YOUR MEN(ARE THEY? ) FOR ME:
Except for few quality critics like Maxy, Raghavan SFP STP Mahie and others few....Rest r not thinking to stop this One man Menace here.....
What quality critics on any ‘racing issues’ these quality men have expressed their ‘unbiased’ opinion... please produce it here...
‘’At least, show a little grace and politeness while you are addressing honourable gentlemen like Mr Raghavan, S Kumar, Ramkrisna, Mad Max and many others who are true and genuine Horse Talkers,(unlike you) and do not brag or shout from the roof tops with outrageous and absurd claims of self pompousness!’’
Only these men are honourable on this site – others are monkeys!
bkd wrote :
(Your contentious attitude appear to be quite similar to those who have either been dismissed/Court martialled (Havaldar types), due to gambling/dereliction of duties during office hours??)
This nincompoop does not even know , the basic rules of dismissal or court martial!!!
@ dd,
You may be dancing to the tune of someone to earn your livelihood, but dyanamite can not be associated with your name...
It is disgusting to interact with ‘knowalls’ of your type. During commotion, confusion will any sane person will ask a bookie what is my ‘net account’. He may be told to wait till the din is over or next day...
They are not bothered for your few thousand or few lakhs win or loss but are interested in saving their skin – asimple thing you can’t understand. Means you have rarely placed a bet with a bookie...
Nice to read a reasoned out opinion after a long time.
I am doing well –really well , I don’t know because parameters differ...
I do share my emotions with my loved ones because unlike others I bring my racebook home and study for mistakes or correct decisions i made IN FRONT OF THEM , UNLIKE MOST OF THE PUNTERS, WHO THROW THE BOOK BEFORE LEAVING THE RACE COURSE!
My family knows who I am and what I am doing in /about horse racing or what I’ll do in future...
I’ve never digressed from horse racing topics unless some of your known/unknown friends did that!
Out of 5500 threads on the net at different sites , find out the truth, if you can...
...’don’t use such harsh language against the group’...
Please read carefully, again and again.
The harsh words are not against the group or group members – they were against the phoney organiser( who calls himself ‘ bkd ‘-_ no (capitals) who wanted to gain recognition for a work which a grade 2child can also do – perhaps better!
NOW LOOK AT THESE WORDS USED BY YOUR MEN(ARE THEY? ) FOR ME:
Except for few quality critics like Maxy, Raghavan SFP STP Mahie and others few....Rest r not thinking to stop this One man Menace here.....
What quality critics on any ‘racing issues’ these quality men have expressed their ‘unbiased’ opinion... please produce it here...
‘’At least, show a little grace and politeness while you are addressing honourable gentlemen like Mr Raghavan, S Kumar, Ramkrisna, Mad Max and many others who are true and genuine Horse Talkers,(unlike you) and do not brag or shout from the roof tops with outrageous and absurd claims of self pompousness!’’
Only these men are honourable on this site – others are monkeys!
bkd wrote :
(Your contentious attitude appear to be quite similar to those who have either been dismissed/Court martialled (Havaldar types), due to gambling/dereliction of duties during office hours??)
This nincompoop does not even know , the basic rules of dismissal or court martial!!!
@ dd,
You may be dancing to the tune of someone to earn your livelihood, but dyanamite can not be associated with your name...
It is disgusting to interact with ‘knowalls’ of your type. During commotion, confusion will any sane person will ask a bookie what is my ‘net account’. He may be told to wait till the din is over or next day...
They are not bothered for your few thousand or few lakhs win or loss but are interested in saving their skin – asimple thing you can’t understand. Means you have rarely placed a bet with a bookie...
Bkd said ...
28-Apr-2017
@ Chanakya,
You have just confirmed my suspicion that you had earlier been court martialled / dismissed from Armed Forces for Misappropriation & Perjury!
Every sentence that you utter is a blatant lie!
For instance, you have admitted to commuting in local trains from your Kandivili residence to Mahalaksmi Race Course, to whet your urge to gamble!
Right?
Yet, how would you explain the fact, that you have been normally posting your selections barely 10-15 minutes before the start of the races, whereas, it would take more than 2 hours for you to reach the race course, from your Kandivili residence---30 kms away.
On the other hand, I happen to live only 3 kms from Kolkata RC..I use a chauffeur driven sedan, yet I leave my office/residence 45 mins to an hour before the races, whereas, you only leave 5 minutes before? What a joke!
I really pity you...old man! You are truly a disgrace to the armed forces since you are still continuing with your wicked ways!
At 80+, you should be leading an ascetic's life not that of a conman!
Coming to your bombastics, obviously, you have no clue as to how bookmakers operate or allow credit? In any case, they would never entertain a vagabond like you.
If you are so genuine, why don't you name that particular bookie who trusts you from Rs 1000 to 1,00,00,00...because such a bookie only exists in your wild imagination!
In respect to running of contests, I do not take any credit for it neither do I have any self-delusion. I do it as my passion for racing, and if at all, it might benefit a few readers/punters.
Moreover, if you are so keen and knowledgeable about racing as I am (not a copy-cat though), why don't you run a similar exercise, instead of trying to con others into believing you and your imaginary conquests!
By the way, you don't have to acknowledge my existence...no problems at all...but please, at my father's age and over, don't behave like a moron and lose the reverence and the respect that you deserve due to your grey hair and emaciated countenance. Mend your ways before it is too late!
You have just confirmed my suspicion that you had earlier been court martialled / dismissed from Armed Forces for Misappropriation & Perjury!
Every sentence that you utter is a blatant lie!
For instance, you have admitted to commuting in local trains from your Kandivili residence to Mahalaksmi Race Course, to whet your urge to gamble!
Right?
Yet, how would you explain the fact, that you have been normally posting your selections barely 10-15 minutes before the start of the races, whereas, it would take more than 2 hours for you to reach the race course, from your Kandivili residence---30 kms away.
On the other hand, I happen to live only 3 kms from Kolkata RC..I use a chauffeur driven sedan, yet I leave my office/residence 45 mins to an hour before the races, whereas, you only leave 5 minutes before? What a joke!
I really pity you...old man! You are truly a disgrace to the armed forces since you are still continuing with your wicked ways!
At 80+, you should be leading an ascetic's life not that of a conman!
Coming to your bombastics, obviously, you have no clue as to how bookmakers operate or allow credit? In any case, they would never entertain a vagabond like you.
If you are so genuine, why don't you name that particular bookie who trusts you from Rs 1000 to 1,00,00,00...because such a bookie only exists in your wild imagination!
In respect to running of contests, I do not take any credit for it neither do I have any self-delusion. I do it as my passion for racing, and if at all, it might benefit a few readers/punters.
Moreover, if you are so keen and knowledgeable about racing as I am (not a copy-cat though), why don't you run a similar exercise, instead of trying to con others into believing you and your imaginary conquests!
By the way, you don't have to acknowledge my existence...no problems at all...but please, at my father's age and over, don't behave like a moron and lose the reverence and the respect that you deserve due to your grey hair and emaciated countenance. Mend your ways before it is too late!
Dancing Dynamite said ...
27-Apr-2017
@Chanakya,
let me reply to some of your statements
1. Do I have to bring a witness every time I win ?
No. u dont have to bring witness, but it is not neccessary to post your bogus claims of wins either. you can very well understand that.
2. I have a running account with my bookie which is usually settled next day but due to the commotion during last 2 races and absence of bookmakers for next few days due to strike the account settlement with deductions took place after few days.
That shows your lack of knowledge in bookmakers dealing. i will tell u how bookmakers deals are settled of credit. First no bookmaker opens an account for a 2000 punter. but that can be excused, may be some bookmaker can do that. secondly, even if the settlement is done next day, account has to be reconciled at the end of each day. Morover, even if u would not have reconciled the account, if you were present in race course and had a winner, you will always want to know the deductions announced (curiousity of a winning punter as to how much will he get). Or may be you are so poor in mathematics, that u believe what the bookies gives you at the end of day.
And last of all, you have still not named the bookie for verification. name the bookie and settle the issue once and for all. If not, then every htian, will consider you as a conman.
One more thing, you talk of pride of defence forces. Agreed. But which defence personnel, plays illegal bets at half tax and depreive the government of its taxes. I hope u have not cheated the government while u were in service.
let me reply to some of your statements
1. Do I have to bring a witness every time I win ?
No. u dont have to bring witness, but it is not neccessary to post your bogus claims of wins either. you can very well understand that.
2. I have a running account with my bookie which is usually settled next day but due to the commotion during last 2 races and absence of bookmakers for next few days due to strike the account settlement with deductions took place after few days.
That shows your lack of knowledge in bookmakers dealing. i will tell u how bookmakers deals are settled of credit. First no bookmaker opens an account for a 2000 punter. but that can be excused, may be some bookmaker can do that. secondly, even if the settlement is done next day, account has to be reconciled at the end of each day. Morover, even if u would not have reconciled the account, if you were present in race course and had a winner, you will always want to know the deductions announced (curiousity of a winning punter as to how much will he get). Or may be you are so poor in mathematics, that u believe what the bookies gives you at the end of day.
And last of all, you have still not named the bookie for verification. name the bookie and settle the issue once and for all. If not, then every htian, will consider you as a conman.
One more thing, you talk of pride of defence forces. Agreed. But which defence personnel, plays illegal bets at half tax and depreive the government of its taxes. I hope u have not cheated the government while u were in service.
Kumar_blore said ...
27-Apr-2017
@chanakya,
If you are really doing well at races then congrats and God bless you with many more success.my request is you can share your joys/sorrows/success with your loved ones.since this is a site related to horse racing, sticking to horse related issues will be good to all.if someone wants to showcase his talent they can easily do that with lot of contest's organised by BKD&Cos team.please don't use such harsh language against the group which has given lot of efforts by coming out with different contest's to help others in narrowing their choices,if we can't thank them at least let's not put them down.
If you are really doing well at races then congrats and God bless you with many more success.my request is you can share your joys/sorrows/success with your loved ones.since this is a site related to horse racing, sticking to horse related issues will be good to all.if someone wants to showcase his talent they can easily do that with lot of contest's organised by BKD&Cos team.please don't use such harsh language against the group which has given lot of efforts by coming out with different contest's to help others in narrowing their choices,if we can't thank them at least let's not put them down.
Chanakya said ...
27-Apr-2017
@bkd,
You are one of the biggest conman suffering from self-delusion and dreaming that you are doing some ‘great work’ by running a ‘virtual’ contest and then counting numbers to push one tipster up and another down. This job can be done by even a grade2 child adding and subtracting numbers!
What is your real contribution to racing except ‘lording’ over tipsters and abusing others. In botany there is a term called ‘creeper ‘ – which uses stronger tree with ‘spine’ to climb up and survive – you are just that...
Using other tipsters knowledge and claiming greatness is nothing but self-delusion...
Come out of it, contribute something original for the use of race-goers and stop additions and subtractions , which perhaps your child can do better and faster...
4/26/2017 10:03:22 P.M.
I don’t acknowledge even your existence...
You are one of the biggest conman suffering from self-delusion and dreaming that you are doing some ‘great work’ by running a ‘virtual’ contest and then counting numbers to push one tipster up and another down. This job can be done by even a grade2 child adding and subtracting numbers!
What is your real contribution to racing except ‘lording’ over tipsters and abusing others. In botany there is a term called ‘creeper ‘ – which uses stronger tree with ‘spine’ to climb up and survive – you are just that...
Using other tipsters knowledge and claiming greatness is nothing but self-delusion...
Come out of it, contribute something original for the use of race-goers and stop additions and subtractions , which perhaps your child can do better and faster...
4/26/2017 10:03:22 P.M.
I don’t acknowledge even your existence...
Ram Krishna said ...
26-Apr-2017
@BKD
I simply loved your concluding sentence
"Shape up or ship out....You conman"
Very correctly analysed, I should say.
If Chanakya Sir has any shame, I am sure he will behave himself, at least from here onwards.
I simply loved your concluding sentence
"Shape up or ship out....You conman"
Very correctly analysed, I should say.
If Chanakya Sir has any shame, I am sure he will behave himself, at least from here onwards.
Chanakya said ...
26-Apr-2017
@ bkd,
Don’t hide under the facade of ‘Team’.
One man, WHO IS A MEMBER OF YOUR TEAM, who calls himself sKumar said :
....Rest r not thinking to stop this One man Menace here.....
Why not to pull hard his leash and tie to the nearest pole so that he does not harm passersby...
FIRST you ask him to send a WRITTEN APOLOGY BEFORE YOU POST ANOTHER WORD ON THIS THREAD...
Don’t hide under the facade of ‘Team’.
One man, WHO IS A MEMBER OF YOUR TEAM, who calls himself sKumar said :
....Rest r not thinking to stop this One man Menace here.....
Why not to pull hard his leash and tie to the nearest pole so that he does not harm passersby...
FIRST you ask him to send a WRITTEN APOLOGY BEFORE YOU POST ANOTHER WORD ON THIS THREAD...
Chanakya said ...
26-Apr-2017
Dear Ramiyer,
Due to the ongoing controversy about drugs at BTC, which hastened the removal of the chairman of the club I decided to post this abridged topic and thought it will help a reader to understand the wider implications of this malady. I wanted to highlight with much more info about various methods used to hoodwink a punter, but these men have only one agenda – do I have to elaborate?
There are 5000 threads on this forum and perhaps 500 on another. Did anyone of these men have written any topic out of these 5000+ threads, which helped a punter to improve his knowledge?
As you said almost all sincere and serious knowledgeable contributors have left this and other site because of unreasonable insinuations and bickering and rest will leave sooner than later...
I have never criticised any winner or loser whether they have lost a fortune or made 67lakhs in a dayas claimed by some one on another thread, but look at some of these men. Only when you have confirmed , my wins on Invitation day they stopped their arguments. On 2/4/17 I categorically said BEFORE races were run that I ‘ll play 3 straight wins, one roll and one double and after winning first three races individually and a roll, I rolled the total winning amount on next 2 races, and won more than 3lakhs. This time no ‘acceptable’ witness was there and they kept on howling! Do I have to bring a witness every time I win ?
I have a running account with my bookie which is usually settled next day but due to the commotion during last 2 races and absence of bookmakers for next few days due to strike the account settlement with deductions took place after few days. But I posted my thread on the very next day and before I could do or say anything all hell broke loose!
I appreciate your concern but I think I am at the wrong place with the wrong people.
Many thanks to you for your kind words.
Due to the ongoing controversy about drugs at BTC, which hastened the removal of the chairman of the club I decided to post this abridged topic and thought it will help a reader to understand the wider implications of this malady. I wanted to highlight with much more info about various methods used to hoodwink a punter, but these men have only one agenda – do I have to elaborate?
There are 5000 threads on this forum and perhaps 500 on another. Did anyone of these men have written any topic out of these 5000+ threads, which helped a punter to improve his knowledge?
As you said almost all sincere and serious knowledgeable contributors have left this and other site because of unreasonable insinuations and bickering and rest will leave sooner than later...
I have never criticised any winner or loser whether they have lost a fortune or made 67lakhs in a dayas claimed by some one on another thread, but look at some of these men. Only when you have confirmed , my wins on Invitation day they stopped their arguments. On 2/4/17 I categorically said BEFORE races were run that I ‘ll play 3 straight wins, one roll and one double and after winning first three races individually and a roll, I rolled the total winning amount on next 2 races, and won more than 3lakhs. This time no ‘acceptable’ witness was there and they kept on howling! Do I have to bring a witness every time I win ?
I have a running account with my bookie which is usually settled next day but due to the commotion during last 2 races and absence of bookmakers for next few days due to strike the account settlement with deductions took place after few days. But I posted my thread on the very next day and before I could do or say anything all hell broke loose!
I appreciate your concern but I think I am at the wrong place with the wrong people.
Many thanks to you for your kind words.
Bkd Cos Team said ...
26-Apr-2017
@ Chanakya,
Please refer to your unsolicited comments chastising Mr S Kumar, our trusted COS partner......
"Let them run their virtual, phoney contest and feel happy with chamcha giri kudos and appreciations..." is in utterly poor taste and has hurt mine and my team’s zeal in organising and conducting various contests on HT!
You Mr Chanakya...I hereby insist on a written APOLOGY from YOU, for having stamped on my 'gang’s toes, willy-nilly!
By the way, who has given you the RIGHT of using irrelevant adjectives which are not only derogatory, but also most unbecoming of a retired service personnel?
(Your contentious attitude appear to be quite similar to those who have either been dismissed/Court martialled (Havaldar types), due to gambling/dereliction of duties during office hours??)
So far, I had kept a distance from this and other raging debates involving your crassness, but now I'm forced to believe that you are nothing but a loud mouthed, frustrated and a sadistic old man, with empty pockets and loads of idle hours only trying to rake up inane controversies, just to kill time while remaining a butt of all ridicule!
At least, show a little grace and politeness while you are addressing honourable gentlemen like Mr Raghavan, S Kumar, Ramkrisna, Mad Max and many others who are true and genuine Horse Talkers,(unlike you) and do not brag or shout from the roof tops with outrageous and absurd claims of self pompousness!
Shape up or ship out…....you conman!
Please refer to your unsolicited comments chastising Mr S Kumar, our trusted COS partner......
"Let them run their virtual, phoney contest and feel happy with chamcha giri kudos and appreciations..." is in utterly poor taste and has hurt mine and my team’s zeal in organising and conducting various contests on HT!
You Mr Chanakya...I hereby insist on a written APOLOGY from YOU, for having stamped on my 'gang’s toes, willy-nilly!
By the way, who has given you the RIGHT of using irrelevant adjectives which are not only derogatory, but also most unbecoming of a retired service personnel?
(Your contentious attitude appear to be quite similar to those who have either been dismissed/Court martialled (Havaldar types), due to gambling/dereliction of duties during office hours??)
So far, I had kept a distance from this and other raging debates involving your crassness, but now I'm forced to believe that you are nothing but a loud mouthed, frustrated and a sadistic old man, with empty pockets and loads of idle hours only trying to rake up inane controversies, just to kill time while remaining a butt of all ridicule!
At least, show a little grace and politeness while you are addressing honourable gentlemen like Mr Raghavan, S Kumar, Ramkrisna, Mad Max and many others who are true and genuine Horse Talkers,(unlike you) and do not brag or shout from the roof tops with outrageous and absurd claims of self pompousness!
Shape up or ship out…....you conman!
Rksh said ...
26-Apr-2017
Madmax
As pointed out by Chanakya sir, it's better for u and others to stop commenting on this 'Old' hat who's nearing his days..... Let him post peacefully and rest in peace... Otherwise u all will be named Perennial Losers.... As sir suggested plz change ur name id or he wud maintain safe distance from u..
Regards
Rksh
As pointed out by Chanakya sir, it's better for u and others to stop commenting on this 'Old' hat who's nearing his days..... Let him post peacefully and rest in peace... Otherwise u all will be named Perennial Losers.... As sir suggested plz change ur name id or he wud maintain safe distance from u..
Regards
Rksh
Raghavan said ...
26-Apr-2017
@Krish....Mumbai,
I do not understand why you should be so vague.
Just mention the name to whom you have addressed the message. I am having a feeling that what you posted is addressed to me.
1st line is clear. BNG summer scheduled to start 13th May. Thereafter, I can not make out what you desire to convey. Can you retype the message with much more clarity?
Also excuse me if your message was addressed to someone else.
I do not understand why you should be so vague.
Just mention the name to whom you have addressed the message. I am having a feeling that what you posted is addressed to me.
1st line is clear. BNG summer scheduled to start 13th May. Thereafter, I can not make out what you desire to convey. Can you retype the message with much more clarity?
Also excuse me if your message was addressed to someone else.
Krish...mumbai said ...
26-Apr-2017
If all is well..13th May 2017 onwards Bangalore is starting...peoples estimated and finished calculating how to reach the target for their season profit margin...but your are still left behind in 2015 and same old story...others will end up in lacs and lacs and you will run after the cloud...anyway rigidness has got some limits...Deva re Deva.
Ramiyer said ...
26-Apr-2017
Dear Chankya sir.
Very nice article even if it is a republication.Iam amazed to see your enthusiasm at this age.First I noticed it when you landed at BNG invitation weekend late night.From Kandvillie to Mahalakshmi in suburban train everyday travel iat this age is remarkable.May God bless you with good health for many more years.Wonderful write ups regarding the various nuiances about horse racing.There are so many equalant people who likes to read these type of topics.Neglect the critics and no need of giving them indivudual reply.They are also free to air their views.You can see so many people pen Story,Screen play,Dialogues and Direction before coming to a topic of less value.So dont quit,keep silence and ensure that coming season you give three bets everyday whether it wins or not.Your write up is not a liability to HT but an asset to it.There are so many old warhorses had vanished due to the brickbats they received.
Regarding various contests I always believe the real game starts in paper before we proceed to the practical at the race course.From the beginning onwards various contests headed by BKD and co were the star attractions of HT.Top tipsters in HT are regularly participating.From next season onwards I request you to participate and silence your critics.Once you enter in these contests you will feel the real thrill.Even Dustin torry who has opened a thread a nice one was not spared.
Thanks a lot.
Very nice article even if it is a republication.Iam amazed to see your enthusiasm at this age.First I noticed it when you landed at BNG invitation weekend late night.From Kandvillie to Mahalakshmi in suburban train everyday travel iat this age is remarkable.May God bless you with good health for many more years.Wonderful write ups regarding the various nuiances about horse racing.There are so many equalant people who likes to read these type of topics.Neglect the critics and no need of giving them indivudual reply.They are also free to air their views.You can see so many people pen Story,Screen play,Dialogues and Direction before coming to a topic of less value.So dont quit,keep silence and ensure that coming season you give three bets everyday whether it wins or not.Your write up is not a liability to HT but an asset to it.There are so many old warhorses had vanished due to the brickbats they received.
Regarding various contests I always believe the real game starts in paper before we proceed to the practical at the race course.From the beginning onwards various contests headed by BKD and co were the star attractions of HT.Top tipsters in HT are regularly participating.From next season onwards I request you to participate and silence your critics.Once you enter in these contests you will feel the real thrill.Even Dustin torry who has opened a thread a nice one was not spared.
Thanks a lot.
Buddy said ...
26-Apr-2017
You can be from Armed Forces or any walk of life -- Nonsense will be castigated.
Armed force is a career decision more then 90% candidates get rejected - govt takes good care of them good club/sports facility heavy pension on retirement-its a nice job to have there is more stress and casualty in a civilian's life.
Corporate life or Army life - Its more secure more cosy bing in the Armed Force.
Armed force is a career decision more then 90% candidates get rejected - govt takes good care of them good club/sports facility heavy pension on retirement-its a nice job to have there is more stress and casualty in a civilian's life.
Corporate life or Army life - Its more secure more cosy bing in the Armed Force.
Stop Fooling Punter said ...
26-Apr-2017
S o far 2 letters after saying no write ups.
Odds for his come back 2to 1 by end may and evens by June mid.
Moreover i just came to know he is not ex army but ex airforce,[which plays a secondary role to the army].
My cousin an ex army officer just laughed off his allegations and we all should do the same.How ever he felt sad that why in racing he should drag the armed forces.
Sanity remains only when you are subject to the army act while in service.
Once you retire you are a civilian like most here.
Odds for his come back 2to 1 by end may and evens by June mid.
Moreover i just came to know he is not ex army but ex airforce,[which plays a secondary role to the army].
My cousin an ex army officer just laughed off his allegations and we all should do the same.How ever he felt sad that why in racing he should drag the armed forces.
Sanity remains only when you are subject to the army act while in service.
Once you retire you are a civilian like most here.
Raghavan said ...
26-Apr-2017
Chanakya is furious. And has reasons to be.
1. He said about million gain I asked details.
2. He said astrology based study to pick winners. I questioned him.
3. He said 2000 to 328000. I pointed about 20% cut in bookies liability.
So far he was targeting one person. Yours faithfully. Simply select my post whether addressed to him or not. And fault it.
I ask a fellow ht member to do a calculation. That is wrong to him. I say there may be 100/200 winners in a 1 lakh strong team of horse punters. That is double speak to him. I mention my zero knowledge about fibonacci or something else. Then I am 24 X 7 computer addict. I say if gst 40%, then one punter less. That he says a gross misleading statement.
I just talked back. If I am 24 X 7 computer addict, then what about you. If my worry that 40% gst is fault, whether 28% gst is correct?
And then in his desperation he rewrote this essay. One mr srinivasan said that the essay 'drug menace' written by Chanakya and still available in the guest column AND the present thread drug abuse are one and the same..
Some people appreciated Chanakya. But, some others faulted him. In earlier occasions also there were people other than myself who questioned his bogus claims. But, he was targeting me alone. Now, Raghavan was silent. Others were strident. He has thrown up his hands. Says he will discontinue.
Perhaps, he expected that he deserves higher level of courtesy & respect from ht members because of his military background.
Horsetalk members are rather generous on that aspect. Write one good essay; there will be all round applause. Declare his profit in race course; People will express their cheers and respects provided the profit claim is believable.
No body would have questioned him if he had said that he ate 10k or 20k on the dozen favorites; no one would have faulted him if he had said he banged 20k on each of the 5 horses he has tipped. But, he chose to claim million gain by rolling 1000 on dozen horses o the first occasion. Then he claimed 3 + lakh profit by rolling 2000 on five horses. And had no answer when details were demanded.
Disillusioned, the beleaguered ex-army officer has now accused the horsetalk members totally ungrateful to army officers and reminded us that it is only because of armed forces that we are still alive.
I have said earlier also. To me all army men, whether retired or serving, whether foot soldier or field Mashall deserve respects. But, we consider every one who interacts in this site as punter only. It is a pity that Chanakya was not realistic and was hoping that whatever he says will be welcomed with big cheers.
Today he says he is discontinuing. Not clear whether as a permanent basis or only from this thread. If his discontinuing is only from this thread no problem. On the other hand if he is saying complete good bye to horsetalk, then that is his decision. We respect his right to silence.
My only disappointment that an ex army officer should equate our questioning his profit claims with attack on army men. For his stature and his knowledge in various subjects the replies that were directed at me was in completely bad taste. Even now I apologise to him if he gives horsewise details of his 1000 to 1 million gains by eating 12 favorites.
1. He said about million gain I asked details.
2. He said astrology based study to pick winners. I questioned him.
3. He said 2000 to 328000. I pointed about 20% cut in bookies liability.
So far he was targeting one person. Yours faithfully. Simply select my post whether addressed to him or not. And fault it.
I ask a fellow ht member to do a calculation. That is wrong to him. I say there may be 100/200 winners in a 1 lakh strong team of horse punters. That is double speak to him. I mention my zero knowledge about fibonacci or something else. Then I am 24 X 7 computer addict. I say if gst 40%, then one punter less. That he says a gross misleading statement.
I just talked back. If I am 24 X 7 computer addict, then what about you. If my worry that 40% gst is fault, whether 28% gst is correct?
And then in his desperation he rewrote this essay. One mr srinivasan said that the essay 'drug menace' written by Chanakya and still available in the guest column AND the present thread drug abuse are one and the same..
Some people appreciated Chanakya. But, some others faulted him. In earlier occasions also there were people other than myself who questioned his bogus claims. But, he was targeting me alone. Now, Raghavan was silent. Others were strident. He has thrown up his hands. Says he will discontinue.
Perhaps, he expected that he deserves higher level of courtesy & respect from ht members because of his military background.
Horsetalk members are rather generous on that aspect. Write one good essay; there will be all round applause. Declare his profit in race course; People will express their cheers and respects provided the profit claim is believable.
No body would have questioned him if he had said that he ate 10k or 20k on the dozen favorites; no one would have faulted him if he had said he banged 20k on each of the 5 horses he has tipped. But, he chose to claim million gain by rolling 1000 on dozen horses o the first occasion. Then he claimed 3 + lakh profit by rolling 2000 on five horses. And had no answer when details were demanded.
Disillusioned, the beleaguered ex-army officer has now accused the horsetalk members totally ungrateful to army officers and reminded us that it is only because of armed forces that we are still alive.
I have said earlier also. To me all army men, whether retired or serving, whether foot soldier or field Mashall deserve respects. But, we consider every one who interacts in this site as punter only. It is a pity that Chanakya was not realistic and was hoping that whatever he says will be welcomed with big cheers.
Today he says he is discontinuing. Not clear whether as a permanent basis or only from this thread. If his discontinuing is only from this thread no problem. On the other hand if he is saying complete good bye to horsetalk, then that is his decision. We respect his right to silence.
My only disappointment that an ex army officer should equate our questioning his profit claims with attack on army men. For his stature and his knowledge in various subjects the replies that were directed at me was in completely bad taste. Even now I apologise to him if he gives horsewise details of his 1000 to 1 million gains by eating 12 favorites.
Raghavan said ...
25-Apr-2017
@Chanakya,
You say you are discontinuing. Well, that is your decision.
I normally do not speak in bad language. Even if the party addressing me uses inappropriate words, I prefer one tweet "returned to sender" rather than competing with such writers in badmouthing.
But, Chanakyajee,
You are telling that we are disgrace to the country, Time and again we make fun and ridicule the armed forces who are doing the great job of protecting us from Pakistan.
We strongly oppose your view that questioning you is questioning the Army.
This is a horse racing site.
In the home page it is mentioned Indiarace-your saddle to the world of horseracing, India's first and foremost horse racing portal".
Whoever browse this site and interacts in this site are basically punters.
As an ex army officer, say your great achievements in the battle field; we will cheer, applaud you heartily. Speak on horse racing, profits, we will certainly cross examine you.
You are having very high contempt view about the simple contest in racing. Well, those who desire to participate will participate. Those who do not desire will stay indifferent or disinterested. We will not compel anyone. If that is chamchagiri to you, then we have absolutely no objection.
You say you are discontinuing. Well, that is your decision.
I normally do not speak in bad language. Even if the party addressing me uses inappropriate words, I prefer one tweet "returned to sender" rather than competing with such writers in badmouthing.
But, Chanakyajee,
You are telling that we are disgrace to the country, Time and again we make fun and ridicule the armed forces who are doing the great job of protecting us from Pakistan.
We strongly oppose your view that questioning you is questioning the Army.
This is a horse racing site.
In the home page it is mentioned Indiarace-your saddle to the world of horseracing, India's first and foremost horse racing portal".
Whoever browse this site and interacts in this site are basically punters.
As an ex army officer, say your great achievements in the battle field; we will cheer, applaud you heartily. Speak on horse racing, profits, we will certainly cross examine you.
You are having very high contempt view about the simple contest in racing. Well, those who desire to participate will participate. Those who do not desire will stay indifferent or disinterested. We will not compel anyone. If that is chamchagiri to you, then we have absolutely no objection.
Chanakya said ...
25-Apr-2017
@STF,
You have missed the point and calling my ‘reminder’ a ‘galti’. While RWITC is still continuing uncovering the wrongdoings , down below the laxity still prevails deep down south even after more than 20 years... Read between the lines , if you can...
@ Ramkrishna,
From win to place and then only names without any comment you have come along way. Self preservation is vital for you. It is better if you go back and start counting ‘chillar’ in the cash box of your father to keep you busy in some useful work...
Your and your friend’s arithmetic is weak. One roll on three bets and 3 individual wins invested in next 2 wins gives more than the claimed return. If you can not figure out get your IQ tested...
@ Mad Max,
I don’t interact with people of your category whose name implies that they need urgent attention of a psychiatrist. I keep them at a safe distance.
It took me several days to write that original article and with lukewarm response why should I continue is my point....
@Skumar,
You don’t deserve a reply. Go, keep counting your funny virtual numbers of this competition or that test with your gang...
No more wasting time replying to useless comments without any merit...
You have missed the point and calling my ‘reminder’ a ‘galti’. While RWITC is still continuing uncovering the wrongdoings , down below the laxity still prevails deep down south even after more than 20 years... Read between the lines , if you can...
@ Ramkrishna,
From win to place and then only names without any comment you have come along way. Self preservation is vital for you. It is better if you go back and start counting ‘chillar’ in the cash box of your father to keep you busy in some useful work...
Your and your friend’s arithmetic is weak. One roll on three bets and 3 individual wins invested in next 2 wins gives more than the claimed return. If you can not figure out get your IQ tested...
@ Mad Max,
I don’t interact with people of your category whose name implies that they need urgent attention of a psychiatrist. I keep them at a safe distance.
It took me several days to write that original article and with lukewarm response why should I continue is my point....
@Skumar,
You don’t deserve a reply. Go, keep counting your funny virtual numbers of this competition or that test with your gang...
No more wasting time replying to useless comments without any merit...
Stop Fooling Punter said ...
25-Apr-2017
Chanakaya more than 50 % of my relations are or were ex Armed forces.that too in all the 3 arms. Army navy and air force.So I am well aware of their contribution [none are in racing]
So not not try and pull them down for your selfish ego .Please behave like a retd person and live peacefully.
As you quitting writing this site archives will show upteem number of times this statement. Next letter by june.
Admin i feel very sad that he has stooped to such a level Please publish this letter.
There are no gangs here. .we all are well aware of the drug menence all over the world in racing In dia is not the only one.we vtry and live with it.and unless givne specific examples Generalised write ups are worth less
So not not try and pull them down for your selfish ego .Please behave like a retd person and live peacefully.
As you quitting writing this site archives will show upteem number of times this statement. Next letter by june.
Admin i feel very sad that he has stooped to such a level Please publish this letter.
There are no gangs here. .we all are well aware of the drug menence all over the world in racing In dia is not the only one.we vtry and live with it.and unless givne specific examples Generalised write ups are worth less
Chanakya said ...
25-Apr-2017
@ all,
I was thinking to provide info a bout , blood doping, injecting Oxygen impregnated blood to improve the performance, desensitising the nerves of the leg of a runner, giving painkillers to improve the performance and many other points which, some punters may not be aware of , except these knowalls , which skumar and his gang has mentioned.
I don't get anything by sharing with others, what I know. With these kind of hostile remarks I have decided to discontinue. I should have done it much earlier as per CyberCop's advice...
These people are disgrace to the country , because time and again they make fun or ridicule the armed forces because of which they are still alive, otherwise Pakistan would have treated like Taimur Lung...
Let them run their virtual, phoney contest and feel happy with chamcha giri kudos and appreciations...
I was thinking to provide info a bout , blood doping, injecting Oxygen impregnated blood to improve the performance, desensitising the nerves of the leg of a runner, giving painkillers to improve the performance and many other points which, some punters may not be aware of , except these knowalls , which skumar and his gang has mentioned.
I don't get anything by sharing with others, what I know. With these kind of hostile remarks I have decided to discontinue. I should have done it much earlier as per CyberCop's advice...
These people are disgrace to the country , because time and again they make fun or ridicule the armed forces because of which they are still alive, otherwise Pakistan would have treated like Taimur Lung...
Let them run their virtual, phoney contest and feel happy with chamcha giri kudos and appreciations...
Skumar said ...
25-Apr-2017
Govinda Govinda GOVINDA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1.....
one more topic and three threads have seen wastage of Bandwidth and now traffic diversion through a new Topic...
Iam only saying a hats off to our Dear ADMIN.....its not we , you have tons tons of Patience reading these and taking a decision of posting the same ....
So one more 100 Plus on the anvil ....One thing 2 Million is a Farce or not 300 posts could not decide but what is sure is touching a TON is this man's good luck he has written for himself from TOP before landing on this earth....
Racing for sure has gone for toss....how do you expect racing to be a sport any more....Nobody thought FALTU movie would be a superhit but it did....Consumer choices prevails so does here...
Except for few quality critics like Maxy, Raghavan SFP STP Mahie and others few....Rest r not thinking to stop this One man Menace here.....
ADMIN :- Kabhi Kabhi Apna TRP's bhi sonchon bhai...Your energies are getting strained and thats my worry....
Regards
SK
one more topic and three threads have seen wastage of Bandwidth and now traffic diversion through a new Topic...
Iam only saying a hats off to our Dear ADMIN.....its not we , you have tons tons of Patience reading these and taking a decision of posting the same ....
So one more 100 Plus on the anvil ....One thing 2 Million is a Farce or not 300 posts could not decide but what is sure is touching a TON is this man's good luck he has written for himself from TOP before landing on this earth....
Racing for sure has gone for toss....how do you expect racing to be a sport any more....Nobody thought FALTU movie would be a superhit but it did....Consumer choices prevails so does here...
Except for few quality critics like Maxy, Raghavan SFP STP Mahie and others few....Rest r not thinking to stop this One man Menace here.....
ADMIN :- Kabhi Kabhi Apna TRP's bhi sonchon bhai...Your energies are getting strained and thats my worry....
Regards
SK
Mad Max said ...
24-Apr-2017
@ Chanakya
You are still quoting 1994 statistics. It is 2017, you are struck 23 years back.
Good writers never quote what happened several years back. If you want to be a writer update the statistics and talk to us I will respond to your queries.
Now you are telling that Indiarace not published your article for the third time. I still remember I taunted you when you are writing remaining portion of the article, to which you replied you will post. Now you dont recall that episode, dont worry, It is a tedious job to find out the third article from Indiarace Archives, but dont worry I will search and find out the link only to see your reaction. I will do it very shortly. Definitely that third post is either in the Guest Column or in this Horse Talk itself. Let me find out.
You are still quoting 1994 statistics. It is 2017, you are struck 23 years back.
Good writers never quote what happened several years back. If you want to be a writer update the statistics and talk to us I will respond to your queries.
Now you are telling that Indiarace not published your article for the third time. I still remember I taunted you when you are writing remaining portion of the article, to which you replied you will post. Now you dont recall that episode, dont worry, It is a tedious job to find out the third article from Indiarace Archives, but dont worry I will search and find out the link only to see your reaction. I will do it very shortly. Definitely that third post is either in the Guest Column or in this Horse Talk itself. Let me find out.
Dilip Abd said ...
24-Apr-2017
Simple answer without Neil support this cannot happen so he must punish if they prove in investigation
Stop Fooling Punter said ...
24-Apr-2017
Armed forces teach you only one thing ATTACK is the best form of defence. [Chanakaya is ex army man ]
Chanakaya ji kabhi to apni galti maan lia karo. Distraction from the main issue seems to be your way of working.
Chanakaya ji kabhi to apni galti maan lia karo. Distraction from the main issue seems to be your way of working.
Ram Krishna said ...
24-Apr-2017
@Mad Max
Well pointed out about the duplication/triplication, which hardly serves any meaningful purpose.
Methinks it is Chanakya Sir's way of diverting everybody's attention from the earlier fiascos (about which Raghavan Sir has been repeatedly questioning him, but to no avail !)
Well pointed out about the duplication/triplication, which hardly serves any meaningful purpose.
Methinks it is Chanakya Sir's way of diverting everybody's attention from the earlier fiascos (about which Raghavan Sir has been repeatedly questioning him, but to no avail !)
Chanakya said ...
24-Apr-2017
@ Mad Max and many like him,
...Again in 1994 the story was repeated and while 10 cases were reported for ‘drug abuse’ in western India after 900 samples were tested; none ( not a single) was tested positive out of 600 samples sent for test from rest of the racing centers(Bangalore, Hyderabad, Chennai, Delhi, etc.). The only exception was that while all the samples of western India were sent to forensic labs ‘outside’ India; all the samples from ‘rest of India’ were tested in India only! No more comments, because it happened in last century!...
could you offer any comment/(s) on this PUBLISHED EVIDENCE?
...Again in 1994 the story was repeated and while 10 cases were reported for ‘drug abuse’ in western India after 900 samples were tested; none ( not a single) was tested positive out of 600 samples sent for test from rest of the racing centers(Bangalore, Hyderabad, Chennai, Delhi, etc.). The only exception was that while all the samples of western India were sent to forensic labs ‘outside’ India; all the samples from ‘rest of India’ were tested in India only! No more comments, because it happened in last century!...
could you offer any comment/(s) on this PUBLISHED EVIDENCE?
Chanakya said ...
24-Apr-2017
@ srinivasan,
This is an abridgement of my article and is posted to make some people aware of various methods employed by crook/clever to hoodwink the public and the system...
@ Mad Max,
My memory is intact, but you seem to be in a hurry to post wrong info. Yes, it was first posted on my blog (now dormant) and then on IR.com -only once,where it is still available, not several times.
Yes, lot of info is available on the net. Why don't you collect some and enlighten us on some issues and disseminate info and knowledge, if you have...
This is an abridgement of my article and is posted to make some people aware of various methods employed by crook/clever to hoodwink the public and the system...
@ Mad Max,
My memory is intact, but you seem to be in a hurry to post wrong info. Yes, it was first posted on my blog (now dormant) and then on IR.com -only once,where it is still available, not several times.
Yes, lot of info is available on the net. Why don't you collect some and enlighten us on some issues and disseminate info and knowledge, if you have...
Stop Fooling Punter said ...
24-Apr-2017
With age, Yadaash [memory ] gets bogged down as your ability to write new things.
Drugs have been and will always be part of horse racing.Be it any center.
In the 90s a leading S India owner did it very often and use to get the urine samples changed [not possiblr now]. See his fading record in yrs 2010 to 2015 onwards.
We have to live with it and accept it or keep writing here [nothing will change]
Drugs have been and will always be part of horse racing.Be it any center.
In the 90s a leading S India owner did it very often and use to get the urine samples changed [not possiblr now]. See his fading record in yrs 2010 to 2015 onwards.
We have to live with it and accept it or keep writing here [nothing will change]
Chanakya said ...
24-Apr-2017
@ Confused P & @ Atchut,
Thanks, I'll continue with more info...
@R.A.Furtado,
Welcome back after a long time. I don't find any oldtimer around because of the bitchy and negative responses all of them have left this and other forum...
Thanks, I'll continue with more info...
@R.A.Furtado,
Welcome back after a long time. I don't find any oldtimer around because of the bitchy and negative responses all of them have left this and other forum...
Mad Max said ...
24-Apr-2017
1. Chanakya published the said article in his blog in the year 2011.
I am not giving the link here, because Indiarace is not encouraging any bloggers hence the link is with-held.
2. Chanakya published same article again in 2013 in Indiarace.com
webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:91be32QV6pQJ:horsetalk.indiarace.com/HTalkPostReply.aspx%3Fmsgid%3D1017444+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk
3. Chanakya published same article again in late 2015 or early 2016 (exact date not remembering). Searching the article is difficult in Indiarace, because they are not providing any Search Widjet in Guest Column. I remember Chanakya at the end of the article written (To be continued....).
4. Chanakya has surprised me with the present post wherein he mostly repeated same things.
I am not giving the link here, because Indiarace is not encouraging any bloggers hence the link is with-held.
2. Chanakya published same article again in 2013 in Indiarace.com
webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:91be32QV6pQJ:horsetalk.indiarace.com/HTalkPostReply.aspx%3Fmsgid%3D1017444+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk
3. Chanakya published same article again in late 2015 or early 2016 (exact date not remembering). Searching the article is difficult in Indiarace, because they are not providing any Search Widjet in Guest Column. I remember Chanakya at the end of the article written (To be continued....).
4. Chanakya has surprised me with the present post wherein he mostly repeated same things.
Mad Max said ...
24-Apr-2017
@ Chanakya
I think your memory is fading fast. If anyone check Indiarace Archives you will find Chanakya has written this article twice before. Nevertheless this time little bit edition and addition. When he repeated the article for the second time, he promised Horse Talkers second part will come soon. When it was not coming for 6 months I reminded him what about the second part? He replied he will post it soon. After more than a year or year and half he has reproduced same article with some revisions. I don't find anything new in it. Few sentences/paragraphs are copied from the Internet and readers sending him compliments.
I think your memory is fading fast. If anyone check Indiarace Archives you will find Chanakya has written this article twice before. Nevertheless this time little bit edition and addition. When he repeated the article for the second time, he promised Horse Talkers second part will come soon. When it was not coming for 6 months I reminded him what about the second part? He replied he will post it soon. After more than a year or year and half he has reproduced same article with some revisions. I don't find anything new in it. Few sentences/paragraphs are copied from the Internet and readers sending him compliments.
Thought-provoking said ...
24-Apr-2017
Nice.the clubs can quarantine at least participants of major events and informative the race public
Rudolph.a.furtado said ...
24-Apr-2017
Mr "Chanakya" a excellent article on the economics and corruption involved in one of the World's oldest sports that also set the bench mark for gambling in all other sports.A well researched topic as i myself a horse racing fan has done a lot of research over the decades on the sport having visited all racecourses in India except the "Delhi race course" as well as a few foreign racecourses.
Atchut said ...
23-Apr-2017
Well scripted factual article Chanakya ji
Confused P said ...
23-Apr-2017Mr. Chanakya
A well-written article, appreciate you effort and time.
You could have ended it with your personal opinion or what the general consensus should be.
? take severe action against the offenders or accept it cause as you have pointed out thoroughbreds are man-made (Arabian stallions crossed with English mares).
Srinivasan said ...
23-Apr-2017
This artical was published in guest coloum (still available)Of IRC on 15.03.2014
as Drugs menace.
I thought you have added some more to the old article but you have disapointed us.
as Drugs menace.
I thought you have added some more to the old article but you have disapointed us.
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