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Some Innovative Solutions To The Gst Problem

By Sksagar | 22-May-2017
INNOVATIVE SOLUTIONS TO THE GST PROBLEM
There appears to be still an uncertainty about whether the 28 % GST is applicable on the total turnover or on the service component of the turnover. Hopefully it is the latter.

However if it is the former, here are some ideas that might be helpful in reducing the damage to the industry.

We can introduce some new category of bets which can reduce the impact of GST in a big way.

In order to explain what I am trying to convey let me make some assumptions:
Assuming a 33 % total deduction in the totalizer including 28% GST and 5 % tote commission

Assumming … for the purpose of comparison only … that as examples, horses with 40% chance of winning were successful.

Assumming Rs 1000 as the amount of investment
Six new category of bets on the totalizer can be introduced as given below :
1) TWO RACE WIN ACCUMULATOR ( DOUBLE):

A win dividend on a Rs 10 win ticket for a horse with 40 % win chance would be = 100*0.67/ (0.4*10) = 16.75. Hence a Rs 1000 investment would yield Rs 1675

If this amount of Rs 1675 is reinvested in the 2nd race which also has a 40% chance and is successful ( as in a Win Roll ) then the total return on investment = 1675*1.675 = Rs 2805

However a Rs 10 bet on a successful two race accumulator ticket on the same two horses ( with 40 % chance in each leg of the double ) would pay a dividend of Rs 100*0.67/ (0.4*0.4*10) = Rs 41.875, thus a Rs 1000 investment ( ie on 100 tickets) would yield a return of Rs 4187.50 as against Rs 2805 given above.

This return of Rs 4187.50 corresponds to an investment of `x` amount invested in the 2nd race also with a 40 % win chance, where `x` is worked out as =
100* (418.75)^0.5 = Rs 2046, which corresponds to a Rs20.46 dividend on a Rs 10 ticket, which in turn corresponds to a `y` % deduction on the tote , where `y` =
(1 - 20.46 * 0.4*10/100) *100 = 18.16 % which corresponds to a GST of 13.16 %

All that is required is to imagine you are playing for win in a single race where the number of runners is the product of the number of runners in each of the two races. thus if the two races have 4 runners each, you can assume you are playing in a single race which has 16 runners, and the dividend you will get will correspond to an 18.16 % tote deduction ( 13.16 % GST)

In a seven race card there can be 21 such Two race accumulator bets ie 1st and 2nd race,( 1 &2) 1st and 3rd race (1 & 3) ...going upto 6th and 7th race (6 &7)

2) THREE RACE WIN ACCUMULATOR (TREBLE):

In the same way as worked out above the return on investment of Rs 1000 after three successful win investments = 1675*1.675^2 = Rs 4699

And on Rs 1000 invested in the Accumulator ( Treble), the return is worked out as Rs 10468, for which `x` is worked out as Rs 2181, and `y` is worked out as
= 12.76 percent which corresponds to a GST of 7.76 %.

In a seven race card there can be as many as 35 such 3 race accumumalotor bets.

3) TWO RACE SHP ACCUMULAOR , 4) THREE RACE SHP ACUMULATOR, 5) TWO RACE PLACE ACCUMULATOR and 6) THREE RACE PLACE ACCUMULATOR : Calculations can be worked out in the same way as above.

JACKPOT, TANALA, EXACTA, FORECAST, AND QUINNELA BETS can be continued with a 33 % deduction on the Totalizer as against about 45 % being deducted now.
While Win, Place and SHP bets may continue … they are not likely to generate much interest in view of 33 % tote deduction. Bulk of the betting turnover will be generated from the Accumulator bets apart from Tanala, Exacta, Jackpot etc. And it is possible the turnover may be quite substantial.

Will come back

With best wishes

S.K.SAGAR



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8 Replies

Dilipabd said ...

23-May-2017
I think they will change
All the tote dividend like ooty
For win (13,14,15) for any fav horse
And for SHP ,not more than (25,or 30) only last board fluke horse will get more dividend that to like inside 200 so this may be done by Bangalore committee let's wait till July

Mad Max said ...

23-May-2017
Some it is difficult to pick a single winner, forget winner, sometime when we play win the horse will come into place, when we play Place, it will finish in the ruck. Accumulated wins not easy for punters. If such bets introduced punters wont support. There may be lukewarm response to such betting propositions.

Secondly, no club has the authority to unilaterally introduce any such bets, they need to take appropriate approvals from the concerned authorities, like State Government as well as Income Tax Department. Don't forget HRC took so many years to introduce SHP bets because of late approval of their proposal.

All in all I don't find a solution unless the Clubs able to convince the Governing Council to oblige before they meet next. What Braganza saying is music to listeners, but I think that is also difficult to digest. Punters cannot escape from betting tax. An average punter bets several times in a day. So every government like to have the tax-cut each time the punter bets. I think the Government will deduct GST on betting turnover only.

Confused P said ...

23-May-2017
In fact double and treble were introduced in BNG tote a few years back with distinct names (I do not remember the names), but it did not become popular as the club expected. In fact if the computers have not been re-programmed, it would be still available in BNG. Any BNG race-goer may take the trouble of enquiring with any tote operator and clarify.

As Narayan has pointed out the winnings from the first race would be considered as investment for the second, subject to the applicable tax deduction. Also the brought forward amount would be added to the current collection of the second race. It would not be a pool like Treble or JP.

Pradeep said ...

23-May-2017
Dear All,
Reading all posts on GST effect on racing & it shows that we've wonderful brains on HT apart from selections of race horses.
One thing I'm sure of that any Govt.(State or Central) would not like to kill a revenue coming from a source where they have to make ZERO efforts. After ban on liquor sales within 500Ms.of National & State H/ways local bodies are busy in removing their status as H/ways,if passing thro' MCs.
So keep cool & await for July First.No doubt good suggestions WELCOME like all are dishing in & out.

Mad Max said ...

23-May-2017
Some it is difficult to pick a single winner, forget winner, sometime when we play win the horse will come into place, when we play Place, it will finish in the ruck. Accumulated wins not easy for punters. If such bets introduced punters wont support. There may be lukewarm response to such betting propositions.

Secondly, no club has the authority to unilaterally introduce any such bets, they need to take appropriate approvals from the concerned authorities, like State Government as well as Income Tax Department. Don't forget HRC took so many years to introduce SHP bets because of late approval of their proposal.

All in all I don't find a solution unless the Clubs able to convince the Governing Council to oblige before they meet next. What Braganza saying is music to listeners, but I think that is also difficult to digest. Punters cannot escape from betting tax. An average punter bets several times in a day. So every government like to have the tax-cut each time the punter bets. I think the Government will deduct GST on betting turnover only.

Stop Fooling Punter said ...

23-May-2017
Sir you mean well but sadly will be tough to implement.specially in BNG.

These tickets have to be bought in advance and one only comes to know is a horse is on job whne betting opens and money flows.

Presently how many are able to cash the tanala?.

Sat racing examples galore.tht is where the bookies took a beating as many as 5 races backed down horses won. .

We are stuck with 28 %GST and have to live with it.Mr bragnazas interpretation is simple wish ful thinking.

I am sure for a change all race clubs will be sitting down and trying to see how best to salvage the scene.

Srinivasan said ...

23-May-2017
There is no use of hypothetical solutions in racing. We may get a certain bet of odds more than in two consqutive race days in anf center is difficult, then how can you dream of accumulating the bets.
You have commented on GST on 28% but not on services.
Clubs are not keeping quit, they also hired the consultents to minimize the impact on racing and still one month time left for implementation.
Some thing may come-out favourably and hope so

Narayan said ...

23-May-2017
Tax is not on your bet of Rs 100 . It is on amount bet on each race as per tote. That will be Rs 100 first race. 170 in 2nd race assuming first race dividend is Rs 17. And Btc is liable to deduct tax on Rs 170 bet on 2nd horse. Effectively you pay 34 on first race and 54 on second race. Period. System is smarter tHan punters.