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The Capricorn Stud Plate

By Drcheenu | 02-Aug-2017
The Capricorn Stud Plate
Class 3 / Horses Rated 30 to 50 (1600M)

General Observations:

1. In a Class 3 open class race (as opposed to age group), as per my pattern handicapping rule 3YO horses is the most likely winner. 4YO winning this class is an exception. 5YO & above winning is highly unlikely. This is for Bangalore center and not to be confused with some other centers.
2. During Bangalore summer season I consider the First career start winners at Bangalore getting a class 3 rating superior to those clear their maiden status in 2nd or subsequent start & those from other centers.
3. I also always consider the first time ratings assigned by the handicapper as an index in determining the superiority of the horses.
4. I generally discard those who are entering this class by winning the lower class i.e class 4.
With this preamble let me try unravel the mystery of finding the winner of this race.
Of the 9 horses declared to run this race 6 horses are 3YOs & 3 horses 4YOs. Discounting the chances of 4 YOs let us consider the chances of the remaining 6 horses one by one.

KAMBAKU: cleared maiden status in in his 5th career start in a plate race over 1400M. Was installed favourite in his first career start over 1100M (which is very sharp for this Win Legend-Star Of The Crop progeny), and was upstaged by the 20/1 shot Apache Sunrise. Next 4 starts found Tutankhamun, Apache Sunrise(again) and Mauritiana too good and therefore found victory elusive. At the beginning of the fresh season he found himself rated at 39 and found a mediocre set to register his victory. In his next start he was guided by Vinod Shinde ( a no job rider, in my opinion) to third position in a terms trophy race won by Lady In Lace (rated 62). This has resulted in the handicapper slapping a penalty of 10 points which has resulted in a heavy impost of 60Kgs in this race otherwise would have been carrying only 55Kgs. Contender.

ULTIMATE MAGIC: could not clear her maiden status in her 3 career starts and was beaten by Kambaku by over 9 lengths in her 3rd start. Got rated at 29 for the first time and won a class 4 race in her last start. Got penalized 16 points for that 5 ½ lengths victory and should find very difficult here in spite of the ace rider guiding her fortunes.

DR.LOGAN: has had a belated debut in this season, was given an educative run in his first start and was beaten by unfancied Pinyada who is also in the fray in this race. He won his second start quite creditably though the field is not that great but surprisingly rated highly by the handicapper and rated 40 first time for that effort! Has scope for further improvement with same rider declared to ride him. Contender.

PANCHOVILLA: is an outstation raider, who seem to have been sent to Bangalore for summering and experience. Cleared maiden status in his 5th start at home center Kolkota. Though rated at 41 for the first time (since he competed in Graded races) could not win a class 3 race earlier in the season when lost to Vallee Sceptre (rated 40). May find it tough here, in my opinion. I will be surprised if he wins.

PINYADA: Though a winner over DR.Logan, another contender, in his second lifetime start, was with withdrawn in his latest declared start due to lameness on left hind limb. Rated at 35 do not possess enough ability, in my assessment, even with assistance from Sandesh in the saddle.

In the final analysis of the two contenders Kambaku & Dr.Logan, my vote goes to Kambaku who, even though carrying an heavier impost, has better experience having matched with some of the good type of horses like Tutankahamun, Mauritiana, Lady In Lace & Apache Sunrise. Dr.Logan though could have improved do not possess the matching experience.

I have given my reading of the race. Each one has the liberty to make his choice.

Good luck.
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37 Replies

Kumar_blore said ...

05-Aug-2017
@skumar,
You have summed it up well,got nothing much to add....
@others,
Even I have been following HT for past few years,though I haven't interacted with anyone personally I see a dearth in honest writers nowadays.even people like Dharmesh has stopped posting pics reasons for his choices nowadays,so I request such writers to share their knowledge and come up with reasons for their selections.
Am sure most of the punters have a certain tool to arrive for his choices,when someone post their choices with some reasons we will be more informed on a particular choice before placing our bets which is very important.
So I request? drcheenu, Dharmesh,libero,racebro,even madmax & other honest writers to express their views about races, exchange knowledge? and not worry about appreciations/criticisms.atleast people like me would love to read comments about particular choices, doesn't matter if it wins or not.i hate to see tips such as 6-1 will win,who doesn't know why it should win.

Stv,chennai said ...

05-Aug-2017
I have been a H.T.participant for a decade now.Last one year I was not very active for personal reasons.When I re entered now,some of my old friends expressed their happiness and welcomed me.At the same time,they made it clear that I cannot find them here much,if at all,for the simple reason that the pleasure of participation is marred or vitiated by some member\s.On the one hand they think too much of themselves and on the other they do not know how to interact on this forum.In fact one of my friends with whom I have mail contact warned me that I would only lose my peace of mind by some nasty reactions by some here.I have realised that the warning is true and that not much can be done to improve the situation.
DRCheenu is a nice and knowledgeable person who does not come here often,but when he does write on a subject you can find the unmistakable note of knowledge and humility.We do not want to lose such wonderful contributors here.I only wish good sense prevails on some.

Drcheenu said ...

05-Aug-2017
My dear Mad Max if you want to promote your line of argument or feel your method is superior fool proof you are at liberty to say so in this forum. But if you want to denigrate some other persons point of view, especially of those you have no acquaintance, to prove your side of argument it is in bad taste. This is what I pointed out. In a public forum we must carry mutual respect. You stated you will be the first one to congratulate if my pick succeed. While there are so many who were magnanimous in congratulating me even when that was against that choice you used an opportunity to state my method as wrong. Further you don't have to keep account of my for and against. I do it myself.
I'm feeling embarrassed to display my disappointment in this space but since you have tried to stand only foot I had no other option but to push you out of my way.
I respect you for your diligence in trying to find a method to succeed. Best of luck to you. But I take only constructive criticism and the kind of language you employed.

Neutral View said ...

05-Aug-2017
@ maximally mad

The main bone of contention is you coulnd't hog the limelight and Drcheenu stole it. you just cant digest people reacting to DR Cheenu's post and totally ignored urs. It has hurt ur huge ego hence u wrote the letter. You r not maessiah of the punters here on HT. You have suffered foot in mouth many times. Mathaiyus is recent example. Arrogance has no place in racing. Learn to to be humble and if u cant comprehend it then learn from Dr Cheenu.
He has been gracious be thankful for that. And remember there will always be someone better than you. Learn to live with it.

Skumar said ...

05-Aug-2017
@ Maxy,

Hey...You are becoming "A DARK Daddy" as defined in the Book "THE HINDU" Speaks on Management which i read it two decades ago.


The Question one should be pondering is Timing of the Posts Vs Relative Importance that it would carry.

Your intention may be of Positive nature but the tenor and tone does not suit what you intend to say.

DRCheenu is one of the Finest writers in the contemporary Racing sports and infact he was very regular here in HT and comments of these types, like, what you have made, which had deep impact on him and stopped doing so.

When you write you expect others to read and appreciate you , give feedback on your analysis and then the topic thread you expect it cross 40-45. That has been the precedent in all your write ups ....It is good or not it is us the Readers who should evaluate and not you as the person writing it. You seem to take this Evaluation system or the Appraisal system wrong and went ahead in your own usual way of Loose mouthing which is not good to your reputation Maxy.


In a Public platform like these and specially in a scenario where we are at deep loss after Shri Vamanan Ji's untimely death, the vacuum is yet to be filled. Quality writers have diminished from here, People who proclaimed themselves as Saviour of this sport erupted all of a sudden what with one gentleman claiming a world wide tour of 365 days out of which 300 days in a Boeing A-380 being booked in his name for the entire year and all with a investment of 2k and then rolling it and becoming Bill Gates with that. That gentleman after the tour has come to India and now is searching which Blog will give him membership.

Any criticism should be of a high quality one with meaningful insights of he intends to say on someone's write-ups rather than criticizing to show One's upmanship. Some of your write ups are world class and these good write ups also tend to vanish in the flow of subsequent posts from you where you give a impression that you do such things in a haste and in a rush of blood.

Rest you know Maxy.....Thanda Rakho ..Shanthi sey sonchon...Take a chill pill and relax....You will understand what iam trying to tell you...

The concluding line is simple Maxy .....A person once start taking LOSAR-H Tabs , he should take it life long...Rest is your decision Maxy...


Regards

SK







Mad Max said ...

05-Aug-2017
@ Hi Guys
I dont want to react to untasty comments, because I know you all are inter-active and friends in the racing circles. I have not made any accusations in my earlier comments, rather I pointed out how my theory (sorry the official handicappers theory vindicated). By the way Drcheenu, you clarified why you skipped this race yesterday as you were not sure of a positive result. In your first successful attempt earlier you clarified the statistics of your theory, FOR and AGAINST. Please add this one also as AGAINST.

By the way, we need to take any criticism in positive spirit, you all are welcome to criticize my selections also, then only we can move ahead and help others.

@ Albert Khare
You suddenly said I am a rogue? By sitting in Kolkata if you say I am rogue, how it affects a Bangalorean? Please understand there are so many theories that weathered generations also.

@ Rakesh Menon
Why should I post my observations before the race. The observations posted is already available on HT. A serious handicapper's job is to analyse both sides/theories before a race. I am not here for spoon feeding.

@ Drcheenu

Please do not take any of my comments to your head. NOTHING WAS DELIBERATE AND MY INTENTION WAS NOT DOWNSIZING ANYONE. I have no hard feelings towards anyone. You are doing a fantastic job. Please continue. I wish few others also will come out with their successful theories and educate the racegoers. But I assure you if your same theory meet success next time, I will be the first one to congratulate you. Same way if my above theory meet success next time, you should also appreciate it.

Dharmesh said ...

04-Aug-2017
Wow Wow Wow !!!! MADMAX back with his usual post race comments.

Why did he didn't post his analysis regarding Fair Warning before the race?

Whenever his choices fails he comes with some stupid excuses and says he played the other horse ( WINNER) after watching in paddock or he skipped the race due to jockey's signal etc etc.
And now if someone else's choice failed he starts criticising his system as he is the only best and he can never be wrong. Lol !!

@ DRS

As your good friend I request you to continue posting your choices here in HT irrespective of the results. After all it's racing and don't bother about such negative persons.

Regards

Kumar_blore said ...

04-Aug-2017
@Drcheenu,
All these while I was appreciating you for sharing your particular way of analysing certain races...it doesn't matter you were spot on or not,it gives every genuine punter to include different ways of handicapping,so don't worry about the criticisms? but keep posting.

I gave my views earlier in this post,I still felt sandesh didn't have a good ride on pinyada but we can't be right always....you are having a good run, impart your knowledge and ignore criticism.best wishes to you doctor

Albert Khare said ...

04-Aug-2017
DRS please ignore unpleasant characters who have little decency and only seek attention at any cost. Such elements have caused many HTians to stop posting or visiting HT
They change names and reappear with same venom.
The two post are of the highest quality and it has nothing to do with the fact that horses actually won.
You like many others have showcased "dynamic" theories to arrive at probable winners. You have said yourself that each theory needs to under go constant change and no theory can remain forever.
Please don't let these kind of rogues let you stop posting here.

Rakesh Menon said ...

04-Aug-2017
@Mad max,

Why u didnt posted ur observations before race..reason simple..u just want to take credit after race is ran..DR.Cheenu i know him for long..and i respect him for his in depth knowlege inracing..tips failed or succeeds his studys always gave no vicers like me a lot of knowledge..and i appreciate that..

Rakesh Menon said ...

04-Aug-2017
@Mad max,

Why u didnt posted ur observations before race..reason simple..u just want to take credit after race is ran..DR.Cheenu i know him for long..and i respect him for his in depth knowlege inracing..tips failed or succeeds his studys always gave no vicers like me a lot of knowledge..and i appreciate that..

Drcheenu said ...

04-Aug-2017
Dear Mad Max, apropos your latest post I regret to state that it is in bad taste. No one is claiming here that their theory is superior less so your sincerely. I have posted in one of my posts in the earlier thread as follows:

"Thanks for all those who had supported my analysis.
Carbonara has won and vindicated my choice.
I have posted only to let you know how I go about reading a race card.
I won’t feel bad even if my choice did not win which happens sometimes.
My intent is only to make an honest analysis.
Percentage wise I have been getting good winners at decent odds. Today my two study selections are Nelsons Blood & Carbonara both have won at decent odds.
Thanks for your support. I will be posting here whenever I find time."

I have attempted to kindle some interest among the HTians the necessity to follow a method in their selection. If I was so sure about Louisiana winning today I would have posted my analysis on HT. I was wary of Fair Warning not because the reasons you mentioned but because Fair Warning had clocked a class 2 time of 1:12.16 when he cleared his maiden status albeit in class 4. Also the quality of training that Louisana would be getting was going to be inferior was the impression I got from one of my friend. But I expected Louisiana to do well, nevertheless. With so much uncertainty I refrained from posting. No body can always be right and I have only stated so. But my theory was working alright for me percentage wise.
I earnestly request you sir, with all due respect to you, to refrain from posting write ups denigrating other persons posts. Be charitable to others views as well. Thank you.

Drcheenu said ...

04-Aug-2017
Dear Mr Mad Max,
It is with great regret I have to inform you that your latest post is in bad taste. No one is claiming to have superior knowledge & less so yours sincerely. I concede defeat and I wholeheartedly accept your method is fool proof and superior. I have stated in one of my post as follows:

Dseetharamarao said ...

04-Aug-2017
today fair warning won in class 3, because this horse won in good time in class 4 than previous race ie maiden.

rao

Mad Max said ...

04-Aug-2017
Although there was no support for my kind of calculation yesterday in Drcheenu's thread THE CAPRICORN STUD PLATE, today (04.08.2017) at BTC, FAIR WARNING won the race in a such a set up in Class-III (THE LT.COL.GAUNT MEMORIAL CUP). Larry followed Drcheenu's style of handicapping and picked Lousiana, which finished 6th.

Fair Warning was the only horse incurred maximum Official Penalty i.e. 7 KG (meaning a horse considered to go up in class as per the official handicapper) otherwise all other 3 year olds were penalised less weight - Rum Runner 4.5kg, Miniver Rose 4.5 Kg, Mint 4.5 Kg, Lousiana 4 Kg, Dont Dilly Dally 3 kg, Multiple 2 kg. And see first three horses got highest penalties have finished in that order. Yesterday there were two horses with highest penalties - Kambaku 7.5 kg (Ran in 3 year old Penalty Class equal to Class-III) and Ultimate Magic 7kg (Promoted from Class-IV after a win by 5-1/2 lengths).

Drcheenu yesterday contended that Ultimate Magic cannot win because it won in Class-IV and it is not possible to win straight away in Class-III. Please note that Ultimate Magic won in Class-IV by 5-1/2 lengths that failed on promotion yesterday against a more superior horse Kambaku, and today, Fair Warning which was also promoted after a win in Class-IV by 5-1/4 lengths and won straight away on promotion today in Class-III. If Drcheenu was right on his theory yesterday on Kambaku, why Larry failed while following same theory today on Lousiana? In both races, yesterday and today, the highest penalised 3 year old horse won, it means the Official Handicapper is correct in penalising the BEST 3 year old HORSE and such horses go up in class.

Then you may ask what happened to Ultimate Magic yesterday? Reason is simple. When the best horse is on job (Kambaku), and the opposite connection knows it is not their day they give easy ride to evade unwanted penalty. And I am clear on that.

Skumar said ...

03-Aug-2017
Dr Cheenu,


Boom BOOM BOOM to you first on the twin successes from your articles..

It has not only helped many in terms of deciding the investment but also gave lot of insight as to how one should approach in races like these.

Excellent insight and also you have given a very good analysis in both your articles.

Many here will await your next post.....


ATB to you in all your endeavors...

With Best Regards

SK

Dseetharamarao said ...

03-Aug-2017
very thankful to seenu. your article is very good.
rao

Bkd said ...

03-Aug-2017
Dr Cheenu your analysis w.r.t Kambaku was spot on. Keep up the good work!

Regards,
BKD

Sirocco said ...

03-Aug-2017
Well done Drcheenu :) this pattern handicapping looks like a term that's very familiar to me :) jokes apart,keep up the good work !

Khalid said ...

03-Aug-2017
Love u Dr Cheenu, spot on!!! Pls do write for Friday's race as well, we would all be glued to this forum for ur analysis..

Please do write....

Regards,
Khalid

Drcheenu said ...

03-Aug-2017
Dear friends I am happy I have been vindicated second time in succession. I'm more than happy that I have been able to deliver certain important aspects of pattern handicapping which I have been practicing for more than two years and I have found to be rewarding. I always advocate a punter has to be always a step ahead and learn his theories well before wagering. I learnt it the hard way. I agree you can't win all the time and however good your art of handicapping is. But with honest efforts you are bound to improve your winning percentage and stand on the side of profit.
My big thanks to all those who have appreciated.

Larry said ...

03-Aug-2017
DrCheenu, my respect for you grows with every passing day. You said Kambaku to Dr. Logan, and that's how it panned out. What else can one ask for?
Sir, please continue with this good work, there's so much I've learned from you over these last two posts. Thank you.

Sportyy said ...

03-Aug-2017
@ BKD @ DRCHEENU

HI
Mine was not an inquiry but i had opened a new topic for all to comment and analyse for all yesterday night which ..the uploading guy mixed up and put it up in DR Cheenus article .....

Either way 5 mins before the race i replied here again only mentioning the same and giving my choices as RAFA -Drops of Jupiter-Champagne
Hopefully tht earlier post gets posted at the right place .
Now is the start of the 6th race the current topic one ..Good luck sir for your choices to come through
but all in all a good educative cross opinions by the guys contributing
Thanks everyone -
Do keep writing Dr Cheenu
Cheers
Sportyy

Sportyy said ...

03-Aug-2017
@BKD @DR Cheenu

Thks guys for the write up
Actually i had put up this topic on a seperate thread & not in Dr Cheenus article but i guess the INDIARACE guy mixed all in a HURRY to upload since they dont work in the night ..

its the 5th race now which is going to start and i feel the race shud be confined to Rafa /Drops of jupiter & Champagne ..

Dr Cheenu hopefully your choices come through & good luck for the 6th
Either way a great article
Keep it rolling Sir ..
Sportyy

Bkd said ...

03-Aug-2017
Strictly, my personal view of this race.

Race 6 Win#7-SECRET PURSUIT

Ignore her last pursuit, where due to saddle slippage and jockey Indra(who??) had finished a bad last! With Trevor given the charge, trainer Paddy obviously means business....perhaps, a double with Into The Spotlight, in 7th and last race. Tracking well, should oblige in this modest company.

Has to be wary of ULTIMATE MAGIC & PINYADA in that order.
KAMBAKU however, does not seem to be too comfortable carrying a heavy impost of 60Kg. The max. he has ever carried is 56 Kgs, although has competed in superior company. Hence, could be written off or even LAID!
--------------------

With respect to Sportty's query on Tipu Sultan Cup, here's my two bit...

Race 5 Win#7-AYRTON
Ayrton had planted last time out and lost many lengths at the start, yet had managed to finish a creditable 6th. Has been subsequently tuned up in 2 mock races, one of which on 30/7, he was a winner! On the basis of that performance, I expect him to put his best foot forward. SPEED HAWK with rookie Gowda, and CHAMPAGNE with Sandesh up, shape as his main challengers.

Cheers and Best of Luck!
BKD


Drcheenu said ...

03-Aug-2017
Thanks gentleman for praise as well as criticism. I do accept 3 yo cannot concede weight to another, but with a variation. I will accept it if it is a colt who concedes weights to a filly or gelding. It is my experience that which I am stating. Also that the there is so much dynamics involved in this sport we cannot make a hard and fat rules. The rules of the game is fast changing and forever changing so we must keep analysing and under the finer nuances of the present pattern. Otherwise it would be very tough to survive as a punter.

DearVenkatesh I accept it is an error in my posting. I pressed the wrong button in my key board. But the fact of the matter is UM is a class 4 winner which is a big negative in class 3 at this point of time.
All the best.

Kumar_blore said ...

03-Aug-2017
First let me appreciate for the efforts you have been putting these days and providing such wonderful writeups.....keep those coming doctor.
In my view kambaku is the best horse in this field,though ultimate magic finished close behind kambaku it was whipped,pushed and ridden all out.so I doubt ultimate magic finishing close to winner today,but kambaku is carrying top weight in this race that might hamper it's chances today.pinyada has better saddle assistance, carrying bottom weight can prevail over kambaku.
drlogan can finish ahead of ultimate magic,best wishes for all.

Larry said ...

03-Aug-2017
@DrCheenu and Mad Max

Dear DrCheenu,
Thanks once again for a very informative article, so much of knowledge being imparted. It's articles like these that encourage others to follow suit, the way some readers mentioned about 3yrs finding it difficult to concede weight, and then, that lovely article by Mad Max, thank you sir.

Dear Mad Max,
Thanks for your write up, surely gives me another angle to look at a race going forward. Just a question, sir, as per your calculations, what's your criteria in terms of increase in weights for a horse to be considered? Would really appreciate if you could share that.

Thank you, both of you, for your selfless efforts.

Sportyy said ...

03-Aug-2017
Tom orrow 6th race
Out of 10 runners - 6 runners are the same who ran in race no 118 [won by Barrachus ] & another [El fenix] ran one race earlier

Barrachus -won from Speed hawk -weight up by 4.5 kgs -1.26.04
Came from back and breezed past to win
Rafa came 3rd in [118] to above 2.25 lenghts behind -same weight
Drops of jupiter came 7th in [118]
Speed Hawk came neck behind winner in [118] now up one kilo was collared
Ayrton came 6th -7.25lengths behind winner [118] Slowly off at start distance brushed up to be with the pack @ bend -no penalty
Pearl Reward came 10th more than distance behind

El Fenix ran a race earlier and came 3rd to revelnation clocking 1.26.80 WAS CHECKED & 3/4 LENGHTS behind the winneR

Besides
Champagne is running 3rd time this season with no form from the stables of Rehan although last run was educative coming from far behind to finish 4th- 2 lenghts of the winner Castle key - 1-12.20 secs
Sea Farey running 5th time this season without any form

Do send your choices on this Tipu Sultan Cup
Cheers
Sportyy

Venkatesh Kn said ...

03-Aug-2017
Dr Cheenu,

Kindly check you have made a big mistake You have stated

ULTIMATE MAGIC: could not clear her maiden status in her 3 career starts and was beaten by Kambaku by over 9 lengths in her 3rd start.

Its not true Race no 61 She was beaten by Kambaky by 1.5 Lengths only.

On the whole an exceptional writing,Kudos

Rakesh Menon said ...

03-Aug-2017
Superb analysis Dr.Cheenu sir..lot of new things to learn ..thank u so much for sharing your knowledge with us..but i personally feel conceding weight to same age is negative unless he or she have the class factor..my choice is Dr.Logan who has improved very well after last start victory and PINYADA with low weights can upset

Mad Max said ...

03-Aug-2017
My 2 Penny on this race:

1. As Drcheenu said, 100% a 3 year old will win this race, even the runner up also will be a 3 year old. 4 year old Secret Pursuit can finish 3rd if it can take out the form and fitness she shown in Winter Race No.33, otherwise third spot is also at stake.

2. I always follow the old format to find out the penalties horses incurred in spite of the Clubs having made enormous changes in rating a horse over the years. For me "a colt/gelding's basic rating is 34 and a Filly is rated 31 and 4 year old Colt/Gelding after one season is reduced to 28 and Filly to 25" In that context the rating and penalties for the runenrs as follows:

1. Kambaku 3 yr COLT
(Official Rating 49, minus 34 = 15/2 = 7.5 Kg penalty) CONTENDER

2. Flirting Eyes 4 yr FILLY
(O.R 45, minus 25 = 20/2 = 10 Kg Penalty) NO CHANCE

3. Ultimate Magic 3 yr FILLY
(OR 45, minus 31 = 14/2 = 7 Kg Penalty) CONTENDER

4. Dr.Logan 3 yr GELDING
(OR 40, minus 34 = 6/2 = 3 Kg penalty) NOT IN FIRST TWO

5. Panchovilla 3 yr COLT
(OR 40, minus 34 = 6/2 = 3 Kg penalty) NOT IN FIRST TWO

6. High Admiral 4 yr FILLY
(OR 37, minus 25 = 12/2 = 6 Kg) NO CHANCE

7. Secret Pursuit 4 yr FILLY
(OR 36, minus 25 = 11/2 = 5.5 Kg) MAXIMUM A THIRD PLACE

8. Pinyada 3 yr GELDING
(OR 35, minus 34 = 1/2 = 0.5 Kg.) NO CHANCE

It is clear from the official rating that KAMBAKU & ULTIMATE MAGIC are the two best horses in the fray on the upward in Class, one of them will win and the other one should finish runner up.

As a favourite Ultimate Magic lost to Kambaku by 1-1/2 lengths in Race No.61, and today UM gets only 1/2 Kg from Kambaku to cover 1-1/2 lengths. Please note these two horses are carrying penalties 4 kg and 3.5 respectively as per 3 yr old terms that means both are closely matched. Though other 3 year olds enjoy pull in weights, still I believe these two are on the upward in Class they are separated by 1/2 to 1 length maximum.

FINAL CHOICE:
KAMBAKU-WIN
ULTIMATE MAGIC-RUNNER-UP

Punter Sergeant Major said ...

03-Aug-2017
Dr.Cheenu
Excellent write up n analysis, after reading ur study i have zeroed down to DR.LOGAN as 3yrold cannot give weight to another 3yrold, with inform Neeraj in saddle a each way bet for me on DR.LOGAN

Stop Fooling Punter said ...

03-Aug-2017
Congrats Sir for an exceptional write up. What more do the readers want ?

Please do not mind if I differ from you

I have been taught that a 3 yr old cannot give wt.to others in the same race .

So as per me that rules out Kambaku though he may win.

So that leaves 3 U magic, Dr logan and Pinyada.

My choice is Pinyada each way.purely on wt. advantage [he has beaten Dr logan]

Watch out for U. magic if money comes on it though last time whipped heavily.

Bonzar said ...

02-Aug-2017
Congrats D R Cheenu ji you back in form with your study and now start writing very helpful articles, it doesn't matter what is the outcome of this particular race but it is a very helpful to select winners in future.

my doubt is for there is no first start 3yo winner in this race then we have to look for a grade runner if a grade runner is available then its no other choice will left, for example last week winner SANA a kolkotta hunter but according to your theory its fit the bill perfectly---maiden terms 2nd run winner/ grade 3/2/1 runner won as she like against runner from bangalore who didnt get their trainer's confident and never allow to run in grade race, now Panchovilla from Kolkotta terms maiden winner grade 3/2 runner with added advantage of class 3 run.

Sir please don't take my query as in negative thought, but i request you to please look on PANCHOVILLA for one more time if times allow you.

Maybe I am wrong but as you know i am still learning from legends

Regards

Bonzar

Derbbyyyy said ...

02-Aug-2017
thank you Dr Cheenu Sir!

Svkraju said ...

02-Aug-2017
@ DR. CHEENU,

YOUR CHOICE WILL PREVAIL . NOTE THAT RATING OF KAMBAKU INCREASED IMMEDIATELY AFTER WINNING A RACE. BUT NOT BECAUSE OF PLACING THIRD TO LADY IN LACE. HOPE MY STATEMENT IS CORRECT.

THANK YOU