Many big time punters and bookies have quit racing after a long innings some with success most without - Two things that have changed 1] Style of operation/working of Trainers have become more murky even the most knowledgeble is struggling to survive - 2] The kind of public/punters/owners that have come to the course are not of good class - there were big mill owners -industralists -big bussinessmen -now many of underworld/criminals are floating around - the ambiance is not what it used to be .

The owner of this thread has taken the right step and his views can only be helpful -

smart-still-poor-punter has all the right to be on this show even if he does not punt and no one can advice him here .Atleast he can share his experience and others can learn something about it
I personally go to a bar with friends and do not touch liquor but just sit with them sipping a glass of juice .But i love to see how people behave after they get addicted and are on a high.Let him use words that he likes, its not that the opposite guy shud take him any seriously.,
This is a good debate and let it go on as it is.

One is smart and the other one is smarting. Let us watch the fun from the side without getting involved. Peace will prevail after sometime. Amen!

@ smart still poor punter,

O K. You three have to find out a way to bring some calmness in this debate.

I never say that if someone makes unwarranted personal comments he should not be questioned and should be let off. You have questioned them. But, thing is not appearing to calm down.

So, my intervention may not be proper at this stage.

@ Raghavan

I'm really sorry if my rejoinders to "always profit-making" punters appear harsh. If you've constantly followed what I have been posting all these days, i never tried to hurt others at any point. I'm always cautious in this matter as we have been living in a civilized society. But if one or two of them continue to keep pricking my self-esteem, you tell me is it not right to pay by the same coin. For instance, what this person called 'Ayyarnet' blabbers every time he deals with a topic. He talks about God, rule of natural justice, evil forces and many such things that racing has nothing to do. According to me, even God cannot save a person who has decided to venture into racing. This is the truth. Another character by name 'stop fooling punter' is also more or less like that, claiming that he has been winning for 40 long years. Too much of self-boosting, a reflection of their desperation having hit the end of the road. I made a honest report of how I went mad after racing, but still somehow managed to recover. I never hurt anyone's sentiments in my carefully-worded first post nor did I ask others to quit racing like me. Then, why this mudslinging campaign. I can apologise with gentlemen like you, and hence this post. Thank you

@smart still poor punter,

You gave up racing after losing very high. As per your postings, today you are in no debt zone, no compulsion to bet, no inclination to bet and more importantly your wife & children are enjoying some financial security.

However, you are willing to interact here. You have spoken about your earlier nightmarish days when you were active as punter.

It is in this aspect, that some people are expressing their reservations. Their argument is "as you are no longer a punter, why waste your time in sharing your ideas by writing in this site".

I do not agree to their logic. At the same time you also could have avoided the strongly worded counter views.

You say you have the right to post your ideas in this site. They say, this site is for punters; and you are not a punter.

Let them write 100 times "why are you wasting your time by writing in this site"; you also could have spoken in the same tone and tenor, without showing any laziness or tiredness "why are you wasting your time in reading what I say".

I do not take sides.

Now, my favorite theme song: Whoever said that he is a winner is not stating the facts. This point, I have said so many...so many times. But there are some postings proudly declaring that they are the winners. Well. I am not impressed. So, a small margin from my side. Around 200/300 minuscule punters among 1 lakh punters may be actual winners. My greetings/ best wishes to them.

AS they say in racing 5B one will remain so all his life.
Calling names shows his upbringing and poor taste.

I have seen blind men coming to the races and play. Like scribes, somebody is there to help them read the card, odds etc and then they play. I have not seen them winning and collecting but rushing to play with the bookies. Then why blame the mortals who have eyes, ears and brains coming to play and lose!!Racing is adrenaline for some and addiction for some. In a democratic all are welcome to play and win and lose as they like. Of course, there would be preachers who say gambling is bad but still love the game for the sake of flesh(sic)!

@ stop fooling punter

I consider it below my dignity to send rejoinders to 'fools' (stop 'fool'ing punter) and 'nuts' (Ayyar'net'). But if you try to throw a hammer at me, I will definitely have a better target than you. That's it!

I have never replied to any of your posts in my life or asked you for your views. You yourself came on the scene, cut your nose and go bleeding. Why this tamasha?

Whether you make or lose, in which way it affects me? You already got stomach full from a couple of HT'ians in this running thread. Isn't it?

I don't know anything about you except that you are a 'fool'. If you see my name, I am 'smart'. Being 'poor' is no sin, my dear?

You have clubbed every one with you.
I am certainly not losing in racing as evident by choices in contests.

You find fault with my name what about yours.
I do not defend any one where did I say so but your pathetic use of words just reflects one thing.

A born loser still carrying on now with words here without any meaning.

No more, as racing starts on 23 aug

@sspp,
I agree with sfp on one issue.you have all rights to express your views,but when you receive different views from others you can argue with your views but please don't use harsh words on fellow HT friends.
Aren't we matured enough to ignore nonsense comments,if you feel some are nonsense and move forward.such exchange of words won't help anyone,let's enjoy the best things happening here.I love reading many posts here,selection analysis nowadays is been very good.madmax is the latest sensation.
Enjoy your writeups,cheers

@ stop fooling punter

I am astonished to know the blanket support you extend to characters like Ayyarnet, who needs to be taught right from etiquette & manners in life. However, your pseudonym gives a good reflection of your personality!

I have every right to join in any discussion, no matter whether I continue to engage in racing or not. How can you prevent me from watching or commenting on races? My enjoying good life now and having a taste for racing only as sport has been going on as parallel activities in a healthy manner for about three years now. Why you worry dear?

Will you please explain to me what did you mean by "die hard racing fans"? Whether you carry on with racing despite losing heavily is your headache. I don't want to bet anymore, and that's my decision. Who are you to question me, my dear?

I am spending sufficient time with my family and whenever feel like airing my opinion wish to come this platform too. Is there any ban on non-punters to write in HT. If people like you and Ayyarnet pass resolutions, I'm sorry to say there will be no takers. Please stop fooling punter!!

S F P,
GUD 1
Dat's y i love HT.
Regards

SSFP.

If you are enjoying good life as claimed by you why bother here.
We are die hard racing fans and will carry on inspite of losers like you [by your own admission]

Your comments on Ayyarnet are in poor taste and totally unwarranted.
In fact it is you who needs the same.You just cannot get racing out of your systme
You claim to leave racing but does racing leaves you?. you just carry on writing here.
Please spend the same time with your family and leave racing to us.

@ Jerry

Yes, it's crazy to even think of visiting a race-course for the sake of deriving fun. Such people can better see their own faces on the mirror and laugh by visualising the self-damage caused. Although I agree with you that patience is the key to success in every other activity of life, it may not be necessarily so in this field. Why because your adrenaline runs so fast when your horse gets backed in the ring, and you hardly have any rethinking to place a heavy bet. For instance, if you have 10k with you and if your horse is getting backed (even it's for place, you don't hesitate to pull half the money to play. Isn't it?) Similarly, the old saying that 'Practice makes a man perfect' is not readily applicable here. If so, how come so many grey heads keep crowing around the course after attempting in vain to unearth the treasure! According to me, your time plays a big role, and that added to your merit to calculate the pros and cons. Unfortunately, all these weapons remain ineffective, and mostly we end up on the losing side!

@ Manish

"Fun only if you have a bet and if it passes. Rest is sadness." You have summed up the issue in a single line. Even in ordinary life, where is there fun without money?

@ Chanakya

I totally agree with you these 'fun-loving' people cheat themselves. See how desperate they appear in their presentation. They talk about evils and negative thoughts, without actually knowing they are the main source of its generation. Pity them!

@ svj

I think you are quite immature at least in racing, if not in real life. How can I think everybody is like me in winning or losing. Maybe, I don't know how to make money in racing, and you know better about it than all others. Why not think about publishing a book titled "How to Make Money in Racing". If only you can write well, you can make a fast-buck.

@ Mad Max

I enjoy reading many of your write-ups and particularly your calculations. How brilliant you were in predicting 'Booker Jones' yesterday! That shows you are different from others. I am with you when you say those who don't want to play should not venture into race-course. I had also seen people coming and occupying chairs in prominent positions for the entire racing time, without betting a single rupee. As you said, either they should be evicted beyond a stipulated period of time, or moved to another place where they don't cause inconvenience to the real bettors.

@ STV, Chennai

You are quite clear in saying that the desire to make money is what primarily brings a person to the race-course. Of course, I took agree that other factors like merit and challenge makes it interesting. But the ultimate goal is to make money. And when you engage in making money where is the time to engage in fun? Fools alone can do that.

@ Kumar_blore

Thank you for finding me to be a practical and sensible. I, like others, paid a heavy price to learn the intricacies of racing, and by the time I could graduate it was all over. I must thank God for giving me the strength and courage to resolve against entering the race-course anymore. It happened in 2014 and I live by my promise. However, I indulge in these kind of activities which is now fun for me as there is no investment. There is also sense when we engage in useful discussions unlike others who have no basic manners to express themselves. It's true that you require a solid support system if you want to carry on in racing. But let me tell you even such a system will soon become weak and leave you in the lurch. Only because I have a sound financial background (my wife too) that I could withstand the severe onslaughts for about 25 years, and still manage to recover. Today, I have no regrets having lost so much money in racing. All my advice is only aimed at cautioning the punters, who are often seen struggling after getting into this sport for some time.

@sspp,
I have seen lot of your posts,nodoubt you speak practically & with some sense.
The lure to fine tune our calculations to arrive at a winner will be at quite a big cost.
So basically if we have a support system to take care of our losses we might enjoy when we make some and crib when we lose some.thats part & parcel of being a gambler,who doesn't know this.....still we venture...... So have a good financial back-up for our adventurous ride is the moral of the story

@ Ayyarnet

I think you're suffering from serious aberration and needs some urgent counselling, either from a psychologist or a psychiatrist. Is old age telling upon you? What else should i confer, I wonder!

It's true that I'm leading a comfortable life today, enjoying every bit of the moment with my family. It's also equally true that I gave up punting altogether in 2014 after I thought 'enough is enough' as racing proved not my cup of tea. This I myself admitted in a post titled "Independence and Punters" a few days before. So, what's your problem dear?

I also said then this forum is open to all, and particularly to people who believe to be practical in life. But you seem to live in some other universe where you're the king and the servant, you make money in dream and lose in reality, you weep and you sweep! A very peculiar character, indeed!

I left racing after punting for 25 years, during which i came across many ups and downs, happen to meet many stalwarts, including jockeys, trainers and owners, in person, interviewed them as a journalist. The decision to give up punting was my own, taken jointly in consultation with my wife. So what's paining you my dear?

If you can blabber something in the name of 'evil' forces and many things that have no direct bearing on racing, why should I not share my past experiences with the present generation so that they get enlightened. I never underrate anyone, particularly my enemies. You, of course, are neither my friend nor my enemy... then why you are after me?

If you keep a polling between what you advocate and what I try to educate, you may come a cropper, I am sure. God save you and your thoughts!!

My dear friends :

Venturing in to Racing for More money is due to ignorance and illusion only. At the most by careful planning you may recover your loss but you can never save it,

For simple reason it is some one else money you are having in other words your friend s money or co race goers money. The Club or Book Maker does not pay a single cent to you.

If you get money from races enjoy life do not rush to the Book stall to buy the Race for the next day. Go ton a good restaurant and enjoy life before the money vanishes from you. If you must create Happy environment within your circle money will come to you automatically NOT NECESSARILY from Racing


Best Regards

SSPPs own Words posted elsewhere:


After writing sobbing stories.

I really did not seek sympathy, support or money from anyone as I lead a very comfortable life now with a own house, a Ford and a happy family. I travel a lot with my family members amidst my tight office schedule.
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With all these things why he came to Racing with 2 Peti I leave it to all of to judge this gentleman.

Let us all jointly wish him a private Jet soon. His happiness is our Happiness. We can say proudly one of our Ex-Race goer has acquired a private jet !!!


ayyarnet

Mr. SVJ,

So you are passing time for the past 40 years. Unbelievable. Passing time like this could be okay for retirees, but i wonder you wasted 40 years of your life just studying and doing nothing. Sorry to hear that.

Participation in horse racing basically arises out of a desire to make money [shall I say quick money].The aspirations and goals might differ in terms of the volume of money sought to be earned.
That said,we cannot say that only this lure of money makes racing attractive.Then what?Is it fun?Well,Fun is not the word.I would call it a challenge.Classifications,weights,merits of jockeys,intentions of connections,paddock looks,odds all these go into selection of winning bets.This challenge also entices us.
Apart from the above,the pleasure of watching the Classics in a sport that offers thrills no end is a great boon to the race goer.
The objective ,first mentioned, lure of money,is vastly greater than the second one,the pleasure derived.In no way it can be said that racing can be indulged in purely for 'fun'.

If you dont want to play/bet/gamble then dont go to race courses. Just going there inside and occupying comfortable seats and watching live races or replays are just like to harass betting public. You can see how many people (they dont have any work at home, they come at just for time pass) inside the BTC ring, occupying chairs and NOT PLAYING A SINGLE RACE. Most of them are not ready to leave their chairs. Most of the gambling public find it hard to digest such attitude of these lazy arrogant types. Since everything can be monitored on CCTV, the authorities/securities should try to throw out such people from their chairs if they are occupying the seats for longer hours. SVJ please dont send your dad to race courses, instead send him to any park for time pass. Why harass us...?

@mr stop fooling
just because you lost and don't know how to make money don'tthink eeverybody is like you
I go to races past 40 years just for seeing how my calculations work
my late Dad who was a member of BTC used to carry 10 rupees to race course and full day take two place tickets in two races enjoy the races , see he his predictions perform and come back
So don't think all are gamblers like you , there are people who go just to pass a afternoon

These 'fun loving' people cheat themselves under self-delusion...

Race course is fun only if you have bet on a horse and the bet passes. Rest is sadness. Or may be someone is saddistic and gets pleausure in seeing that majority are losing.

No fun unless win.

Crazy idea!! We are all in it for the Money. Its the Puzzling part which is Addictive - and we all get and are addicted. As the saying goes " the old person who leaves Racing is a dead person" but there are exceptions if one has the Will Power.

However, Racing is similar to (addictive) Fishing - when Fishing in Groups or single, there will be times when everyone in the group will be hooking and you will be waiting patiently for an eternity and there will be times when only you are hooking and all are looking at you in awe!! Cricket is another case in point, when in form, all balls will hit the center of the bat and when off form all balls will somehow find the edge!!

The Key is Patience and Practice. No matter the losses one has to keep Practising, reducing Bets to a trickle, but keeping up to regain form which will return. If one has the Class and is a good Touter, he will regain form.
""Class is permanent, Form is temporary""

This is my observation after so many years(47) of experiencing the Ups and Downs of the Game.