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Approach To Racing,suggestions Invited

By Stv,chennai | 24-Aug-2017
Dear All,
The prelude to this topic is found on my replies to "Responsible Gambling"posted by Ayyarnet.I would only like to add that racing cannot be done away with from our wishful thinking.The sport will continue to exist and may I add that many more participants will in all probability continue to lose their earnings or wealth.
So,under the circumstances,what can one do?
At best we can only change our approach to the same.
How?
It is the purpose of this post to invite suggestions from members to this question.
As I said,I will first give my suggestions:-

1.Being within the ambit of ones own financial capacity.You may be a 'petti bettor or petty bettor but you should be in a position to bear the impact of the capital lost[in all probability]
This and other points like good preparation,knowledge of various aspects etc are all commonly mentioned.
I will add two more points

1.Avoid all Investments in pools like JP.FC,TANALA etc.By the time you win a big amount,you would have lost that much in these or even more.
2.Confine to Win and Place bets only.Even there ,restricting the number of bets per day is good.I play only two such bets whenever I take part in active racing.This method has stood me in good stead during the last few years.

These are suggestions arising out of my experience.Members are welcome to discuss the pros and corns of the same and also add their views on Approach to Racing.
Thanks All.
Post Your reply

36 Replies

Champ said ...

28-Aug-2017
According to me, the most important thing that can put a punter in good stead is to develop an ability to uniformly bet at his choices. In my 20 years of betting, I have had innumerable successful opportunities in selecting well priced horses as well as real long shot ones. Have I been able to capitalize on the same? No...and the primary reason has been that the units of bet in the long shots were disproportionately small in comparison to the on money ones. The variance has been huge, from loss of 20 times amount in some on money bet, to win of miniscule proportion on a long priced one. To me, here lies the key to success in betting, if at all such a key exists -- Management of betting capital in proportionate manner.

Ayyarnet said ...

26-Aug-2017

STV :

Wish you a happy journey and pleasant time with your family and friends. Come back soon.

Pls take care

ayyarnet

Ayyarnet said ...

26-Aug-2017
Kumar-Bangalore

Thanks for your post. Actually we must thank our friend confused P He only gave the Trevors statistics Record of 997 at Kolkatta last week in other posting about trevor. I have noted it I was 100% sure he will make it at Mysore and I posted it in the early morning so that our friends can make note of it. We did well 2 Suraj and 4 Trevor but one failed and suraj won in that race. I think it pre decided to gift Trevor. We took advantage of the situation.

I am a fan of Trevor I used to back him whenever he rides for Ace Trainer Suleiman Attalohi. Even if he fails also problem since he is frequent winner. But I did not like his riding for Also ran horse of late. How much money he might have gathered out of 1000 races ! What is the value of Rs 2000 riding fee for him for Also Ran Horses with no chance for winning. Many of our friends did not like. No problem.

Yes no more suggestion for our punters it is their internal affairs and not good for us interfere In Hindi it is said Samajnewale samajgaya na samaje vo anadi hai !!!

With Best Regards

ayyarnet

Kumar_blore said ...

25-Aug-2017
@ayyarnet
I wished you on your thread about Trevor's 1000winners,but didn't see that.congrats for that observation,am sure you must have done well in Mysore races.
A thread about 2bets for a day can be started,am sure we might be able to find better selections from many people here.talking about responsible gambling won't help anyone,am sure such advises most of the punters would have gone through and only he should be in a better position to decide what to do with himself.

Stv,chennai said ...

25-Aug-2017
Ayyarnet,
Good to read the contents of your post.
Congrats for your selections coming true.I am planning to leave Chennai tomorrow night and busy with preparations for a stay of 3-4 days elsewhere.As such I did not take part in racing.Hope to be back by 31 st night.In the meanwhile,in the available time,I am trying to take part in tomorrow's PTR.
Best Wishes.

Ayyarnet said ...

25-Aug-2017

one correction Trevor Winning Figure with Kolkatta races - 997 not 987 I have typed wrongly it is a typing mistake

Regards to all

ayyarnet

Ayyarnet said ...

25-Aug-2017

STV - Chennai

Let us put a full stop in talking whether Racing is good or bad. Forget every thing I have only given what I have gathered for the purpose of facts that why we lose always. Let forget all once for all let us concentrate in analying the winning Horses only. Let us give here sure Horse win or Place so that our friends can gain. We do not want tro discuss useless things not interested to rest of our friends. NO MORE PERSONAL SOBBINGS.

This only FOR THE PUNTER BENEFIT OF THE PUNTER AND BY THE PUNTER

Did you notice in the morning thread about Trevor I have posted. Did you back him. I did.

Actually we must thank Confused P he only gave the actual figure elsewhere 987 with Kolkatta finish.

Best Regards

Stv,chennai said ...

25-Aug-2017
Der All,
During the last few years ,I have developed an approach to betting which stood me in good stead.The main ingredients of the same are 1]avoidance of all pools like jp,tanala etc and 2]confining to win and place bets only.I have experienced good results in more than one way.I thought of bringing it to the attention of members here and also invite comments and suggestions on a more useful betting approach.
Many have given valuable suggestions.It is for everyone to accept and accommodate what one considers a valid point in his system or not.
The discussions naturally cited earlier experiences.SSPP has said he has bid goodbye to racing a few years earlier and is at peace with himself.He has made it clear that he would like to follow racing and be present on H.T.Perhaps sudden total withdrawal is not good and and one cannot find fault with his wish.
Our friend Ayyarnet has also given his tips regarding investment in racing.The main advise from him is to bet small.Nothing wrong again.Only when he went to speak about karma,evil forces etc,members did not relish his horse talk.A few took exception .Ayyarnet ,as we know ,is a great believer in cosmic [if that is the word]forces.Some of us also have such beliefs.However,most members did not like his citing these aspects here.I have also advised him as a friend to post his views in a separate thread.
Nothing more serious has happened here.Except that it has given rise to some personal tiffs.Let both the parties treat it as unfortunate and dismiss the same from their mind.This is my request.

OVER TO PUNE.

Ayyarnet said ...

25-Aug-2017

Friends:

We are interested rather the main theme of this thread created by our friend STV is - REASON FOR OUR LOSS AND REMEDIES TO REDUCE OUR LOSS FOR SURVIVAL IN RACING only. ( Not leaving and run away and then advise from outside !)

Please be kind enough to avoid posting your past post mortem stories. Al though we are extremely sorry because many people might have lost a fortune in Races.
Not good brooding over the past and disturb all with the sorry state of past affairs. Many have lost due to ignorance and for having not taken proper guidance and going for very high stakes without thinking of the consequences arising afterwards.Selling too many properties could have been avoided with proper guidance or control from family people. Past is past no use of digging now.

So far one sensible and acceptable reason we have gathered here from SUBBU SIR
" In gambling no one takes out their profit but reinvest to loose entire capital in the long run."

Now we have a point and instead of reinvesting all let us make it a point to allot a small percentage for saving for future instead of reinvesting the entire money.

Other friends have give their valuable suggestion for betting strategies.
Another point we have noted here Sure Place Bet with reasonable amount irrespective of the odds. But the it should be sure. Even if you get one or two horses in the whole program is OK. Noted

My points put forward elsewhere are ONLY POSSIBILITIES while searching for the reason in truth. They can be scientific or stupid or nonsense . I have given only gathered information from knowledgeable people only. All of you need not accept it and ignore it also as per your own views. We want to find the TRUTH for our Loss and Remedies for reducing the loss for survival in Racing in the interest of Race goers. Please be kind enough to restrict your comments within this boundary only.

Thanks and regards


ayyarnet



Kolramsri said ...

25-Aug-2017
Dear Mr. STV.chennai. Thank you for acknowledging my post. Since my children living in 3 far away places, most of my time spent with them, Even now i have to carry and browse My laptop in the Bathroom only. With great difficulty i earned respectability, among my children, and grown up grand children. Ageing is not a painful process for me and I keep good Health and mostly ride my Motor Cycle. Thank you and God bless you.

Stv,chennai said ...

25-Aug-2017
Kolramsri sir,happy to see your name after a long time.I need not ask 'how are you sir?You have already detailed everything.
Yes,there are many who have suffered like you in gambling.
Horse racing consists of two parts mainly.handicapping and punting.I sought to bring into focus the second aspect here.The sole idea was that exchange of opinions and experiences among members would be useful to all.

wish you a peaceful life,sir

regards
STV

Stv,chennai said ...

25-Aug-2017
dkmdhar,
This is the type of discussion I aimed at here,thanks.I might add that I sought to focus on betting strategy more than handicapping;anyway both are inter related and nothing wrong bringing both aspects in replies.

However,it is best to ignore what we do not like like advises to stay away from racing and effect of evil forces etc .I have also requested the concerned writer to post what he wants to say by way of a separate thread.
thanks

Kolramsri said ...

25-Aug-2017
Approach to Horse Racing. It all depends on the person concerned. I entered Guindy in 1967 dragged by my friend. Even today I curse him, of course He leads a miserable Life.It noway helps me in getting back the money lost in Horse Racing. Initially started with Madras, started flying to Bombay and Hyderabad for races when there was no Inter venue betting. All my problems started after selling personal Jewelry. then borrowing from friends , relatives.Parents started to worry, why their son borrowing, when the son and Daughter in Law making decent money, living in their own house. Being a high ranking police officer, my father found out What his son up to. He sent a long note with several words of caution, but it was of no use.First i sold my house in Mylapore (1976) , then I sold my wife's house in R.A.puram (5,400 Sq ft land and house) in 1985.My wife asked me to stop and think about the future about children. Thinking about my children sent shock waves down the spine. Stopped all sort of gambling from April 1986. First thing ,I stopped buying The Hindu.Started to visit relatives ( since all the dues are cleared) with Family. For 7 years no gambling at all. after my children settled overseas, I started racing again but not a regular punter. Even now i go to Race club, play only place bet(1 or 2 races). For the past several years I am in Plus, but not any huge amount, may be 20,000 in a year. Play handicap races, pick among 3 or 4 year old....strictly 8 horseRaces... distance up to 1,600 meters only, for class 4 3 2.Neither Class 1 nor Class 5. This suits me well.

Dkmdhar said ...

25-Aug-2017
My suggestions:

Learn and understand handicapping thoroughly. The key is the inherent proven potential of a horse compared to its present class and weight(handicap).

Give due weightage to distance suitability and current form.

Study if the performance is steady, on the improvement or on the decline.

Make your own judgement and stick to it. Horses well placed on handicap will never let you down - if they miss once they will give you returns the next time.

Bet the same consistent unir.

Avoid bets on odds on horses.

Try and play win and place - one unit win and 2 units place.

If in a race several horses have equal handicap, either avoid the race or take a nominal bet (half unit) on any particular fancy.

Best races to win by good handicapping are higher classes, 5 years old and over or 4 years old and over.

The improvement of 3 year olds is sometimes difficult to assess.

Good Luck and enjoyable racing.It can be great fun with immense stimulation of the mind.

Stay away not only in racing but in everything in life from cynics who see a devil everywhere. Similarly bond with logical humble persons - it will help to consider factors which one may have overlooked by oversight.


Muralidhar

Ayyarnet said ...

25-Aug-2017

SUBBU SIR:

Thanks for your comment.

As you say "Another important fact is that in gambling no one takes out their profit but reinvest to loose entire capital in the long run. Look back you would have lost your major part of your life cycle."

That is why no one at the end make money. Now as the time changes if we make small percentage of winning as another tax !instead of reinvesting and save it separately for future may be things will change for our betting community. Savings must be deposited in Bank if you hold it then it may not remain with you. This we must develop as a regular habit. I have started keeping aside 10% I have opened a separate Bank Account for this. Better late than never.


Regards

Ayyarnet

Subbu said ...

25-Aug-2017
@STV, Chennai
I requested to avoid class V and not class iv.
Class IV is the best race that too with a 3y, it is a certainty.

@ayyarnet
Skipping a race is not that difficult.
If there are more than three contenders as per your study, then your selection has more probability of coming 4th. Check your p&l position and the resultant fear will keep you out of that race.
Another way is to go for a small JP investment which will help you avoid difficult races.
The thought that all you have played if otherwise had been eaten, you would have made a million - will help you to wait for your race.
"Gambling leads to greed which in turn leads to addiction which will force you to play all races and not only we loose our hard earned money but valuable time as well".
Another important fact is that in gambling no one takes out their profit
but reinvest to loose entire capital in the long run. Look back you would have lost your major part of your life cycle.
Instead of progressively loosing 500 and 1000, can't you wait for ONE or TWO strong bet, go big and walk off.
Last but not the least... If you visualize life without you, responsibility creeps in. Think of being inside the course without capital, you will start valuing money more than before...

Ayyarnet said ...

25-Aug-2017
Shri.Raghavan Ji:

I agree that Book Makers do not take leave from Races while Punters are absent for many days due to shortage of cash. But the investment of Book Makers is huge compared to Punters They have to bring huge amount of cash for a Racing Day So they cover of their loses in another race and since they have money to hold them. But as far as punter is concerned after loss he will have to leave the course. Unfortunately he is forced generate money from any other source for the next day.
Here comes the problem.

Here money plays a major role. No money no honey. Book Makers are able to survive due to huge investment only. If 4 or 5 punters jointly raise sufficient capital and start a company or firm then you can down the book maker also one day.Book Makers can refuse to accept bet after certain level especially on Sure Winning Horse.

Regards

ayyarnet

Ayyarnet said ...

25-Aug-2017

Race Selection

Your post is indeed interesting. But everybody can not venture because you need quite a lot of money. But I doubt whether Book Makers will accept huge bet after certain level ? if the Number opted by you turns out to be a sure shot ?

We can analyse the records and find the number winning maximum Number of times and which one comes Second Maximum number of times.

ayyarnet

Racebro said ...

24-Aug-2017
Hi All,

We do lot of home work, thought process, calculations, permutations and combinations and conclude the following. From today this will be my strategy. Example..

1. I play 5K on Win and 10K on Place.
2. I will not play on money favorites.
3. If I see race between two horses, I play both if odds permitting.
4. I will play only Place bets.
5. Let me watch few races and then start betting to see the air moving in which direction.
6. After I win an handsome amount, I stop for the day.
7. Let me follow the champion Jockey/Trainer.
8. Let me play on Big owners horses.
9. I will not play if the field is more than 10.
10. I bet on just two confirmed races/horses.
11. I play only Suraj horses.
12. Let me not play lower class races.
13. I will not touch the maiden races.
14. I will not listen to friends and play on my own etc etc etc...

Believe me as soon as you enter the race course, the air is different and within seconds you are not in your senses. Sorry we neither have control nor patience. I can guarantee 90-95% are in the same boat. Can you imagine after winning 300K in just 3-4 races, I have come out loosing 200K by end of the races.

Ayyarnet - Those people who told you that souls of punters is haunting the race course, is not true they enter into your body as soon as you enter the race course. HaHa that's true.

My only suggestion to everyone would be to control your bets, play within limits. Paise is not haath ka mayl, it doesn't come easily and don't let it go easily. Save it for your future.

Stv,chennai said ...

24-Aug-2017
svk raju.
I got your point.

Ayyarnet,
Only because most of us are playing in most of the races,I have advised that we must try to change our habit and evolve a new strategy.
Regarding other points mentioned in your reply,I would not say they are all imaginary or untrue.Most punters would have felt the effect of an unseen force that changes their directions and strategies.However I would prefer not to discuss them in this post of mine intended to streamline our strategy and evolve a consensus,if possible.
I would suggest your opening a new thread on that subject[titled,say,The effect of unseen forces at race course or anything resembling it.I would also like to share my thoughts thereat.
regards to all
STV.

Kumar_blore said ...

24-Aug-2017
@ayyarnet,
The desire to make more money when we are under some financial problems are the effects you are talking when we venture into gambling.
STV's 1st point explains the same,when we are not under any financial stress we start living happily with the profits made.so without a proper support system venturing into any sorts of gambling is bad.

Ayyarnet said ...

24-Aug-2017

STV- Chennai

It is very easy to say you should play one or two races only. In practical it will be extremely difficult for many of our punters to watch the Race without playing.How many of our friends can do that please honestly tell us.

Even after winning also many punters can not keep the money already earned neither can leave the Race course also. Some kind of Force holds you down.

That is why I am telling the moment you enter a Race course you are coming under some effect or force I can not rather I am unable to explain in simple language. You lose at least 10% of your consciousness. You are controlled by certain Force. As a result you are unable to control yourself you can not do what you want or desire to do. Suppose you want to leave the Race course it will be very difficult for many people to do so as long as they have money. But once your pocket is empty you are able to leave the Race course.You will feel some sort of sensation that you got out of some clutch ! Really a wonder. I request our friends to give their own experience honestly. We are talking sincerely, honestly and frankly in our own interest. NOT BLUFFING. We want to find the truth and remedy. As long as we do not find some solution for this we will always be a loser.

Personally I have enough experience with this Force still I am unable find or suggest remedy to prevent the Force acting upon us. Some knowledgeable genuine people(Not bluff masters but well learned ) told me that souls of the people who have lost their lives due to racing still haunting the Race Course !! Some people told me some Muslim brothers can prevent these force acting on any one. My household people stopped me to do further research on this subject.

ayyarnet

Svkraju said ...

24-Aug-2017
@ STV CHENNAI

MY POINT OR STYLE OF INVESTMENT IS ONLY PLACE ROLL BET WITH CONDITIONS. I LIKE TO INVEST MY MONEY ON A HORSE WHICH IS AVAILABLE AT 70 TO 80 PAISA FOR PLACE NOT LIKE WHAT YOU MENTIONED AT 4 TO 1. PLAYING WIN ON A HORSE AT 4 TO 1 THERE IS ONLY 20% OF WINNING CHANCE. DEFINITELY YOU ARE A LOOSER.

IF YOU ARE SENIONR PUNTER I DONT THINK SO YOU NEED AN EXAMPLE.


ALL THE BEST

Stv,chennai said ...

24-Aug-2017
Kumar,Bangalore,
yes, I have agreed with Mad Max in the matter of investments on tanala and other pools.I am not sure about the investment levels.I can only say they must be commensurate with the expected returns.As you correctly point out we must have a system and seek to fine tune it.

Destiny 1,
Hope you get connected to Mad Max.
I take this opportunity to point out to members that I am not now talking of handicapping and selection methods but concentrating on betting strategy.

Ayyarnet,
just place bet on a sure shot is good suggestion but the betting level would vary from punter to punter .As long as one is within the ambit of affordable investments,it is ok.That is my thought.

CRK,
I am glad to note that like me ,you have also suggested playing one or two bets only for a day.

SUBBU,
Glad to get some good advise from an experienced campaigner like you.I seek to differ on on your advise not to play class iv horses.At the same time,I agree with you that TERMS races are best avoided from betting point of view.

Race Selection,
your post is interesting to read.

Race Selection said ...

24-Aug-2017
I know a Marwari friend of mine who has got lot of money. And I like his style of racing. He dreams a number and comes to race.

Now suppose the number is 2.

He will play 1st race 2 win 500. If it wins he starts afresh. Else he play 2 win 1000 in the second race. And he continues doubling his investment from the previous race till his number 2 wins.

If 2 doesn't win he continues from where he left and keeps doubling his investments till 2 wins. And he is always in a win win situation.

I have seen his investment go upto 10 lakhs but he came back that day with 85 lakhs.

Stv,chennai said ...

24-Aug-2017
Anoasku,
Glad to note that you also believe in playing one or two bets.
Mad Max,
I never play at Tote.Especially here at Chennai,if one were to place a bet of even 2k ,the the dividends would immediately decrease drastically.
I admit there pools like Tanala etc could be interesting.At the same time a lot could be said on the ways to invest in them wisely.It would require a lot of time to explain how and when a Tanala should be tried.Unless and until one has hits upon a longer odds runner and banks it in the relevant leg of tanala,it would prove to be futile exercise.The same logic applies to JP combinations.One must have selected a longer odds runner[or two such]and bank them in the JP combination ,otherwise it may not be a worthwhile exercise.[scrolling down, I note that you have also given the same opinion].

SKV RAJU,
While agreeing with me,you have also touched upon roll bets.A roll is one in which the winning amount is tried in subsequent 2 or more bets.I for one,would prefer to stop with a double.I have now to give an example to illustrate my next point.A bet of 2 k on a 4 to 1 horse gives in toto 10000[forgetting the taxes].Now the real double is to invest the said 10000 on the second bet.I always think why should I not reserve the original investment of 2 k and employ the balance 8 k on the so called double,even if it would lose its nomenclature!!

confused p,
yes , i agree, no pain,no gain[with an element of luck.]

I shall now press the SUBMIT button with a view not to lose whatever I have written so far.I shall continue to respond to replies subsequent to this in my next post.

Subbu said ...

24-Aug-2017
Successful punting :
1. Do not touch class v, Cup & Terms races,
2. Avoid 4y, 5y and over classes
3. Do not bet the amount that you can afford to loose.
4. 11235 is the best betting strategy as I have found working
5. Select your horses based on its form and not just by rider merit .
6. Never change your selections if you do not get desired odds,
7. Keep following one system irrespective of its results.
8. Walk out of the course once your targeted profit is achieved.

Crk said ...

24-Aug-2017
STV ,

My Two Bit :

1. Play only 1 or 2 races a day. Close the book after 2 races, win or lose.
2. A good idea was suggested by someone on the other site that all tipsters should confine their study to 2 or 3 races only and give their choices, instead of the whole card : this focussed study would improve the strike rate considerably, and all followers will be able to pick and choose from the proven good tipsters like Dharmesh, Anushree, Mad Max,Dr. Cheenu,and a few others.
3. Discipline is the key. Where and what you bet is secondary.
4. Avoid hot favorites and media-hyped horses.
5. Play the Doosras rather than the hot favorites.It is better to be amongst the minority cheering the Doosra rather than being in the majority abusing the loser(Favorite).7 times out of 10 you will be a winner. Trust Me.
6. Stop playing the favorites of trainers/connections known for their mischief.
7. Limit your bets to good trainers/Jockeys/Connections.
Thanks.

Ayyarnet said ...

24-Aug-2017


I request all our friends just sit down calmly removing all tension and think for a while even after years of experience, expertise and ability to spot winners in races and even after winning many races also your balance sheet may not reflect good figures. Why so ? Is there any thing wrong or some thing wrong some where ? just find a solution. Please pive your opinion.

As our friend STV requests what can done for the welfare of punter community.
Please Suggestions for improvement are welcome.

My observation i find in an AVERAGE after 4th Race most of the races are for the advantage of Book Makers.

When a Horse is sure to win either before that Race or after that Race unexpected Horses wins

Please give your own observations

Best Regards

ayyarnet



Ayyarnet said ...

24-Aug-2017

Race club follows a Mantra - Vadu mare var mare pandit ko dakshina se mathlab
meaning whether Bride or Bridegroom gets problem Pandit ( Poojari) will be interested in his fees only.

Today tote betting is useless in any Race Club. Waste of time in watching TV.Any Horse can be made favorite by just dumping 50K in tote by vested interest. That is why many times we find FALSE FAVORITE and that horse will not win also. Best way is learn on your own to spot the winner and do not change other wise you will never learn always depending on some one for your betting.

Club will be least interested in the welfare of punters. That is why they have created many pools to confuse and extract as much money as possible.
That is why all clubs are in bad financial condition. As they sow they reap.

Majority of our punters are innocent people aspiring for easy money mostly from middle class people only. They get addicted and go for impulse betting.The more they lose more interest they take and some how try to generate money for the next races even if they lose.

Racing Addition is almost like diabetics you will not come to know your own disease for a long time. Another point is our race going people do not tell their loses honestly to any one including their own home people. Always boasting they have won 10k or 20 k etc., They find some pleasure in telling this.Everything goes secret. Unless they realize their own fault and take remedies with professional help no chance for them. If you do not take medicine your disease will continue to grow and kill you also.

Win plus when you play Shp then other place betting not necessary. Suppose your horse just misses the line by photo finish then shp can help you. Other pools no use waste of time and drain your pocket.

For a trial I would love put forward one project. You may carry on your own betting strategies or plan. Go ahead as usual with your own. Just spare Rs 100 and play only one SURE PLACE HORSE does not matter even at 85 paise Select one horse for PLACE out of all the 8 Races. I think it should be possible with all our expert tipster friends. Then keep that money separately and you may go on with your regular ways of betting. But keep that 100 plus place win separately as a saving. Bring the next Race day and roll it up for another SURE PLACE. Keep it separately go ahead with your other betting activities. Third day also bring that Place money saving and roll it for another SURE PLACE Betting. Like that if you roll it up for 10 or 15 Race days your will have 5 figure amount. It will help you as a Saving in case you fail in your regular betting. I have suggested Place betting for easy and sure chance. If you are confident you can go for Win also.But see that you do not use this money for regular betting till your target say 10 days or 15 days. See that sure chance for the place Do not go for impulse betting with high odds. A small income is better than losing all.

I went from Rs 100 to 50000 then our chennai book makers reluctant to accept high amount for sure place betting. The moment I go for betting immediately they used to wipe out the place odds and draw two parallel lines meaning no place bet for that particular horse. I got fed up and I stopped. But in my opinion it is a good practice. Alternatively you can keep aside at least 10%
of your win as your personal tax ! But deposit that money in the Bank if you keep it with you it will go away. You will finish in betting only. Savings will help in your bad days.

With best regards to all.

ayyarnet



Destiny.1 said ...

24-Aug-2017
@mad max awes some word regarding ur selection and study and theory behind it... i jus want ask for ur mail r whtup r phone number rfb id i jus want to be in touch with u and want to learn more abt speed rating to avoid losses...if u dont mind sharing ur knowledge so plz give me any ofur contacts..thanks

Kumar_blore said ...

24-Aug-2017
@STV,
Seriously you have pointed out everything what a sensible punter has to do, nothing more to add.
I agree with madmax,when we have about 3 horses confident of placing with an outsider involved investing in trinalla & exacta can give good returns sometime,but investment should be around 300.even in jackpots when we have couple of bankers,investing around 500 should be fine which can easily be covered by placing some place bets.
Basic thing is to have a system of choosing our bets and fine tuning it always
Thanks

Confused P said ...

24-Aug-2017

"Betting within the ambit of ones own financial capacity"

IS THE RIGHT APPROACH.

We cannot deny some people come to races as a pastime (There need not be any philosophical or spiritual reasoning behind it), albeit a costly pastime.

For the 99% majority, it is a way to make money, but follow the mantra, No pain, No gain.

And above All, LUCK plays a major factor, be it Day's luck or Lifetime Luck !!

Svkraju said ...

24-Aug-2017
@ STV CHENNAI

YES YOU ARE CORRECT WITH LAST POINT THAT ' CONFINE TO WIN AND PLACE BETS ONLY'.

I LIKE TO ADD ONE MORE WHICH IS MAY BE BETTER THAN THE ABOVE. SELECT FOUR PLACE BETS IN A DAY TO WAGER. PLAY PLACE ROLL BET ANY TWO FROM YOUR SELECTED ONES. RATE OF INCOME SHOULD NOT LESS THAN 40% OF YOUR INVESTMENT. THE BASIC AMOUNT TO WAGER SHOULD NOT BE MORE THAN 10% FROM YOUR TOTAL INVESTMENT IN THAT MONTH.


THIS ADVICE GIVING AFTER GETTING SELF EXPERIENCED. THE OVER ALL PROFIT WILL BE AT LEAST 50% OF YOUR TOTAL INVESTMENT OF THAT MONTH.


ALL THE BEST

Mad Max said ...

24-Aug-2017
@ STV Chennai

Dont Play WIN or Place on TOTES in India unless the Govt halves the present tax and commission. It is not at all practicable to win on tote if you select WNP/PLP. So avoid it. If you want to play do it with bookies with half tax.

Shift the focus to SHP and THP to gain more. You will feel the difference. Play your 'fancied runner' SHP or THP only.

Take chance on Exacta and Trinella provided you have the "winner" and at least one "place getter" for Trinella, and two place getters for Exacta. You will be successful.

Take Jackpot pool tickets provided you have TWO BANKERS. You will win big, please do not lose such opportunities.

Stay away from investing on totes.

Anoasku said ...

24-Aug-2017
Sir,

Even I believe that restricting the number of bets for one or two, will be good.