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The Forest King Cup & Two Other Races !

By Mad Max | 11-Sep-2017
RACE NO. 5> THE FOREST KING CUP:
Horses shortlisted are for just discussion only. Others eliminated.
MARINA DEL REY, DESERT MOON, ARC OF HISTORY, PROUD WARRIOR & TAKSIHA

1. MARINA DEL REY: In race No.1, ran with BOTH FORE HIGH HEELS, next run in R.86 ran with ALL FOUR HIGH HEELS and won. What is the weight of two hind high heels any one knows? anyway MDR relishes it and the numbers are with it hence we have no problem, a contender for runner-up berth.

2. DESERT MOON: Poor run in R.35, in subsequent run no improvement, hence ignored.

3. ARC OF HISTORY: Better than Desert Moon, shade less than Marina Del Rey, cannot win, you can fancy for a place if the trainer give the nod.

4. SWEETIE PIE: Speediest animal in the field. This chestnut filly of Burden of Proof has the best speed figures, since the distance is only 1000m, a level start make her in front and and say to the field "catch me if you can" !

5. PROUD WARRIOR: Few educative runs, can be placed at longer odds.

8. TAKISHA: Poor animal would have been a legitimate winner had Deepshankar not pulled her for greed. Deep shankar was suspended suspended for the offence. Here no chance at all.

FINAL CHOICE:
4-SWEETIE PIE-WIN
(Take it as Day's Best)
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R.6> THE NAWAB KHAJA MOINUDDIN KHAN MEMORIALCUP:

Horses shortlisted for discussion:
ETERNAL ANGEL, CELTIC QUEEN, WRRIOR SUPREME & RAGAS AJALIAS.
(Trainers syndicate, LVR Deshmukh & M. Srinivasa Reddy. Opposite Camp: M.Satyanarayana & KSV Prasad Raju)

1. ETERNAL ANGEL:
EA has oodles of class. Ran with Warrior Prince in Race No.2 and beaten WP by 1-1/2 length. Today WP is slightly better than EA in speed figures basis that run. Thereafter Eternal Anel finished 2nd to Mahateji and lost by 3-3/4 lengths and incurred 2-1/2 Kgs penalty (Official Handicapper should note this type of penalty will not help). Mahateji is a good horse, now rated 56 and any horse finished second to him cannot be ignored.

5. RAGAS AJALIAS: This 4 year old is running with good speed figures, can trouble the best here.

8. CELTIC QUEEN: Won two races in Winter with Aluminium plates on all four legs, now this season running BARE HIND LEGS without success. Hence ignored. May try for a place.

9. WARRIOR SUPREME: Same connections of Eternal Angel. Last three runs were runner-ups. Speed figures are with him. Now running -100 mtrs less, should make it DOUBLE FOR M.SRINIVASA REDDY.

FINAL CHOICE:
9-WARRIOR PRINCE-WIN
(Take it as GOOD BET)
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RACE NO.4> THE PERCEIVED VALUE CUP DIV-1
There are three horses in the fray with real chance and they are
SOUTHERN PROMISE, CLARISA & SWEET PISTOL. Rest eliminated, including NEW STATE, which got a race because Takisha was pulled last time out.

1. SOUTHERN PROMISE
SOUTHERN PROMISE & CLARISA both ran in R.No.150 in Winter and finished 2nd and 4th respectively, but former was disqualified for drug positive. Thereafter Southern Promise - the Multinational filly came back this season and won over a short sprint and advertised her fitness. Now going extra 400 m. and the distance is well within her ability, however CLARISA is the main thorn.

3. CLARISA
Conqueror of Amorous White. AW won two races thereafter and present rating is 71. Clarisa was fair 4th in R.No.150 where SP finished ahead, but today both are on equal terms and speed figures. Suraj Narredu can expect a real fight from Shailesh Shinde, and I hope Shailesh has a real upsetting chance.

5. SWEET PISTOL:
3rd Place is wide open in this race, SP may try to grab it at longer odds.

FINAL CHOICE:
3-CLARISA-WIN/SHP (Take it as Chance Bet)
(Bravehearts can play this horse, others should opt for Southern promise. The fight is restricted in between these two only).

Good luck to all !
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24 Replies

Pradeep said ...

12-Sep-2017
@ raghunath,
I agree with you 100%.It's upto MM to accept the facts.
@MM,
Keep doing your work as usual.No need to worry about the critics.Don't try to answer each & every question raised as at times Best batsman also leaves a difficult ball rather than touching it & getting out.

Sun said ...

12-Sep-2017
@Mad Max and others
Let me add my bit to the discussion.I have a high regard for Mad Max for his immaculate anslysis of races taking into account many factors.On the other hand my analysis is purely Mathematics based.For a long time I was a strong advocate of Analysing races based on Ratings where I used to compare Ratings as per my system and Official Ratings.
Analysis of Races by Timings was not appealing to me as most learned Handicappers on this forum have opined that Timing is a function of Pace of race and may lead to wrong estimate of Times of horses.However,of late I am trying Timing analysis and to my surprise it is working within reasonable limits.
In the both the cases of Warrior Prince and Clarisa both were in the reckoning so Mad Max selection is validated by Mathematical anslysis.So one cannot find fault with his selection but one should have been in his limits when betting on Clarisa which was tipped with caution.

Anto said ...

12-Sep-2017
@ Mad max

@ Pg

I am in agree with PG pre-planned / manipulated / arranged races for the remaining races, is the norm of now-day's racing.

I have seen several trainners Place a allowance Jockey ( means not trying today) with Hot favourite allowance of 3.5 kg to 4 kg means is too take out the main gear equipment whip from the Jockey. favourite Sweetie Pie did not take a level start and no whip is added advantage for the horse to Loose.

How ever I am sure you are having high caliber of knowledge in horse racing


Thanks

Anto

Raghunath said ...

12-Sep-2017

Strike rate of any tipster is only 30%. The law of averages will catch up in due course.When earlier horses won , people admired and appreciated the tipster. When it failed , a few people are blaming the tipster.

what is not acceptable is Mad Max reasons justifying loss by shifting blame on trainers and jockeys. When horses won ,others may use same yardstick & claim because rest of horses were not ridden properly or bookies fixed race. Do realise when horses win by shd or nose or where favorite was interfered , you claimed credit for the Win. Be gracious and accept the losing tips too without attributing motives. That will help you as a analyst in the future

Tony Dahiya said ...

12-Sep-2017
Dear madmax sir,

No doubt your selections are making some ships to sail in the Typhon of horse racing. I would only suggest you to not to force yourself to choose a race everyday for analysis. Try to avoid connection races as you never know what's going in the minds of these chor trainers.

This is just an advice that you may or may not want to follow. It's your choice sir. Well of course I played your selections but not yesterday cos I never play favourites. I just have my own logic. Luckily I followed you from Xander in Kolkata, then your sea fairy and then your big Sur. None of them were favourites. I always will thank you for your excellent work sir

Raghavan said ...

12-Sep-2017
@Mad Max,

Right. You are giving your choices. The good strike rate till yesterday has tempted Arc to try his luck. Paid the penalty. Let us be sympathetic to him.


@Arc,

A good number of punters indulge in such misadventure/s. That is betting beyond their capacity. Of course, nothing is sweeter than seeing our selection cross the winning post. And, there are both losers and winners among those who throw caution to the wind. Though, I must say that the losers outnumber the winners. It is sheer unfortunate on your part to bet heavily on the wrong horse.

Anyway, what happened can not be reversed. My best wishes to you. If you stick to your idea of no more visits to the race course, then the loss you suffered yesterday is really worth.

Crk said ...

11-Sep-2017
@ arc ,

You have always oppossed MM'S selections. How come you played his choices today-and such big bets that you have to take a long leave of absence.
Something doesn't jell! Either case, I feel sorry for you.

Sportyy said ...

11-Sep-2017
Nobodys perfect guys

We all live to fight & predict another day
Horse racing shud be like a win/loss where at the end of the day ure here or there .....shud not affect your temper/mood and reflect back on your family @ home
Keep the amts to MINIMUM levels & take this as a sport where in the end you are goonna lose ..if you keep this attitude u'll definately survive in racing
Cheers
Sportyy

Svkraju said ...

11-Sep-2017
@ ARC AND OTHER NEW PUNTERS


OUR BEST TIPSTER [ MAD MAX ] MAY FAIL ONE DAY DUE TO VARIOUS REASONS. HE NEVER SAY THAT FOLLOW HIS TIPS. NOT ONLY MM OR OTHER TIPSTERS ALSO NEVER FORCE YOU TO FOLLOW THEIR TIPS.

LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT MY EXPERIANCE. WHICH MAY GIVE SOME IDEA ABOUT RACING. RACING IS A FASHION, ENTERTAINMENT AND ALSO A MONEY SPINNER TO ME. IF I REACHED MY DAILY TARGET [ PROFIT] AT LEAST 5 RACE DAYS OUT OF 10 RACE DAYS ATTENDANCE., THEN NET BALANCE WILL BE NO PROFIT OR NO LOSS. FOR ME THE OTHER 6 RACE DAYS MAY FETCH PROFIT.WE DONT KNOW HOW MUCH THE PROFIT WILL BE.

IF I LOST IN THAT PARTICULAR PERIOD NEVER WORRIED. WHY BECAUSE MY INVESTMENT WILL BE WITHIN THE LIMIT WHICH NEVER BOTHER MY DAILY EXPENSES OR FAMILY NEEDS.


ALWAYS REMEMBER THAT IF I AM 100% SURE ABOUT ANY BET I CAN BECOME'' RELIANCE AMBANI'' WITHIN A WEEK.

SO PLEASE ALWAYS BE WITHIN YOUR PLAYING CAPACITY [ WHICH NEVER BOTHER YOUR FAMILY NEEDS.

TAKE THE ABOVE ADVICE AS A SENIOR PUNTER ADVICE.

THANK YOU ALL.

Ayyarnet said ...

11-Sep-2017

Friends:

Majority of our punters lose money because of lack of guidance. We blindly invest the whole return next Race or Next day. If you make say 3K then you must keep aside 1K for Saving 1 K for Next Race or Next Race day and 1 K merry Making. Merry Making is a MUST because unless you create a Happy and Pleasant Environment within yourself money will never come to you. First please learn to LOVE YOURSELF.
Your Dress, Face and style of living will certainly reflect your your inner happiness. You can not hide from any one.
If you are Happy happiness will come to you and if you are sad only you will embrace sorrow. These things are tested in real life. You should never indulge in Heavy Betting without considering the future consequences in case of failure.
Please never go for impulse betting. We are all fortunate that our friends Mad Max and others works hard so that others can derive benefit. Why NOT stick to their selection only why to bet ALL RACES. Before you go to the Race Course just have a PLAN what you are going to do there. Without planning if you go then you are like a SHIP moving without any direction !.

Best wishes to all

ayyarnet

Krisna said ...

11-Sep-2017
No doubt the trainers hold the reins..
but then no excuses..LOA always catches up
Just post one a day


Jerry. said ...

11-Sep-2017

@ Mad Max - absolute disaster at Hyd. today. No Trainer interested in Winning - Disgraceful running of Wards except last Conciliatory win where nobody had money to wager. Sick, disgusted and tired!!!

Surya said ...

11-Sep-2017
DEAR M.M SIR, NOTHING TO WORRY. YOU R THE BOSS.

Sethuraman said ...

11-Sep-2017
DEAR MAD MAX SIR AND HT FRIENDS

IN AUG 7 HYD CENTRE RACE NO 51 CHINA MILLENNIUM 1200 MT WINNER 1.14.18
RACE NO 52 LADY IN LACE 1400 MT WINNER 1.26.19
ALMOST EQUAL TIMINGS

IN NEXT OUTING CHINA MILLENNIUM BOARD OUT
LADY IN LACE FILLIES TRIAL WINNER

SO DONT BACK HEAVY AMOUNT IN HYD CENTRE.

THIS IS MY OPINION. THANKS

Mad Max said ...

11-Sep-2017
Such things happens, that is the reason we used to say no punters can make money from racing. Mad Max, Raghavan, Iyyernet, Ram Iyer like people have written in Horse Talk several times on this topic. If we make money 5 days, another 15 days we will pay back.

All race clubs should make a list of CHOR TRAINERS LIST WHO WORK LIKE A SYNDICATE and warn them. If the Club management is also in partner-crime punters are helpless. I have nothing more to add.

Dr Harun said ...

11-Sep-2017
Honestly the 3 picks by MM were all good enough to place but none of them placed.

Given the strike rate of MM most of his followers would have taken a huge punt on his choices.

As they say u earn in a Month to lose it all in a day,i have had personal expirience ,many a time and reconciled to the fact that Racing is no way to make easy money.

As for MM he is doing his best in Good faith and has no control over things.

P G said ...

11-Sep-2017
M M,

Do not get disheartened. Experienced punters will very easily understand today's racing scenes at all centers.

Only allowing 2 to 3 races to run on merit, and pre-planned / manipulated / arranged races for the remaining races, is the norm of now-day's racing.

Especially centers like Mysore, Kolkatta and hyderabad are involved in this type of daylight robbery.

Many centers are having related or inter-related people amongst them. Hence, this type of racing continues, as the officials are all blind and going happily to their banks.

Continue your postings. You are not asking anyone to follow you. Each one to take their own risks.

Stop Fooling Punter said ...

11-Sep-2017
M.M I feel the massive beating Bookies took all over India was compensated

Today Luckily did not even send any money because my friend also was not going.!
it is the only center when progenies of Green coast are winning

Prasad raju change of tactics has stated winning in ''S'' shoes also so beware in future
Ignore the pinpricks and do not even response to them .
Did he share any of the winnings so far from your choices?

Spotology said ...

11-Sep-2017
Stop fooling.. is right.
it was Srinivas's GURUDAKSHINA day...in favour of LVR. obliged by not trying at all in both the races.

Mad Max said ...

11-Sep-2017
@ Arc
If a single loss can take you to the door on a 'chance bet', you are not fit enough to be in horse racing. Dont return to the race course. Forget and lead a straight life.

Mad Max said ...

11-Sep-2017
@ SFP
Look at the 5th race. Srinivasa Reddy's hot favourite Sweetie Pie did not take a level start and it is clear he wanted LVR Deshmukh to win the race. The criminals cannot always escape from the Almighty? For HIM, a 'Nose' is enough to punish culprits.

Arc said ...

11-Sep-2017
@ Mad max
today I got shattered and ......don't know what to say
Seeing your choice decided not to go against and backed a very huge sum on CLARISA and leaving the course .
wont be able to enter the course for a long long time to come.



Anto said ...

11-Sep-2017
@ Mad max

Please let me know your thoughts 4. SWEETIE PIE Jockey RAFIQUE SK having a allowance of 3.5 kg without whip.

Stop Fooling Punter said ...

11-Sep-2017
LVR and Srinivas are inter connected. He was his asst. Last year when LVR was sick Srini. was looking after his horses.
So the race has been decided, Watch ring prices