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By Raj | 12-Sep-2017
There is one interesting aspect in this race. Iam catching the winner based on it and couple of other things.
C.Alford who will be riding Bharath singh trained Tweedle Dee has never lost a race on this horse. He has riden it 5 times on won on it every time.!!!!!!!!
Why will he loose this time? For me no reason.
The main threat to it is Interstellar. In fact TD Has beaten Interstellar once in a 1400 race by shd.
But the matter of concern is the wt TD carrying. It's around 6 kg more than in it's three previous wins.
But look at those 3 wins, the manner of win was absolutely at ease.
Alford was very confident right from 100 mts and he rode all the three races as if he has Lost his Whip. Never used even once .
So Little extra wt should not be of much concern.
Bharth Singh has 2 entries here . Another being Noverro.
Surely he has intentions to win this cup.
Flanker and Gentle knowdlege being 6 and 7 years old and having not done much are ignored.
Noverro is not going to be a try here when there is threat in the form of Interstellar.
Drops of Jupiter needs some attention but my gut feeling says a big nooooo.
Iam nominating TWEEDLE DEE as Days best.
Your views please.
C.Alford who will be riding Bharath singh trained Tweedle Dee has never lost a race on this horse. He has riden it 5 times on won on it every time.!!!!!!!!
Why will he loose this time? For me no reason.
The main threat to it is Interstellar. In fact TD Has beaten Interstellar once in a 1400 race by shd.
But the matter of concern is the wt TD carrying. It's around 6 kg more than in it's three previous wins.
But look at those 3 wins, the manner of win was absolutely at ease.
Alford was very confident right from 100 mts and he rode all the three races as if he has Lost his Whip. Never used even once .
So Little extra wt should not be of much concern.
Bharth Singh has 2 entries here . Another being Noverro.
Surely he has intentions to win this cup.
Flanker and Gentle knowdlege being 6 and 7 years old and having not done much are ignored.
Noverro is not going to be a try here when there is threat in the form of Interstellar.
Drops of Jupiter needs some attention but my gut feeling says a big nooooo.
Iam nominating TWEEDLE DEE as Days best.
Your views please.
38 Replies
Mad Max said ...
16-Sep-2017
@ Hi Guys
There is no problem with DOJ as I checked the Race Day Report. There is no mention of Lame, Blood Vessel, etc., except -
""Jockey Prashant P Dhebe, the rider of DROPS OF JUPITER, reported loss of whip passing the 300 metres"
This is a straight case of "IN & OUT" racing... running just for numbers, running just for interconnected horses as a cover to divert punters money. JAI HO INDIA. Today UNFORGETTABLE the eventual favourite ran like a dud against DAFFODIL at Pune.
There is no problem with DOJ as I checked the Race Day Report. There is no mention of Lame, Blood Vessel, etc., except -
""Jockey Prashant P Dhebe, the rider of DROPS OF JUPITER, reported loss of whip passing the 300 metres"
This is a straight case of "IN & OUT" racing... running just for numbers, running just for interconnected horses as a cover to divert punters money. JAI HO INDIA. Today UNFORGETTABLE the eventual favourite ran like a dud against DAFFODIL at Pune.
Chanakya said ...
15-Sep-2017
@ MadMax,
I don’t oppose anybody. I don’t have to. I use speed rating as my handicapping tool and decide my choice by correlating speed values with some other parameters. My first posting clearly said so.
Interstellar has run 1400m in 1m 24.64s at 1.2cm PNR in race no 174 while DOJ (race no 166) has done same distance in 1m 24.78s at 1.1cm PNR closest to Interstellar timings. Tweedle Dee could do this distance in 1m 25.11s and that too when PNR was 1.0cm. Do I have to give any more explanation?
I am not interested to enter in any competition with you or anybody else...
@ SVKRaju,
I don’t offer my handicapping methods to anybody. Offering it free is out of question. I also don’t offer free tips.
Furthermore, I am sure that you don’t know who I am and perhaps will never know. Somewhere , i have read that you have played a bet of one lakh rupees and lost it, in 1980’s by selling some land. Maybe true.
I don’t offer my tips for free but post them as and when I feel that I must do it. I’ve done it in the past – posted 5 straight winners on 2/4/17 , and will do it in future but at my time and convenience.
UNDERSTAND. O.K. JI...........
I don’t oppose anybody. I don’t have to. I use speed rating as my handicapping tool and decide my choice by correlating speed values with some other parameters. My first posting clearly said so.
Interstellar has run 1400m in 1m 24.64s at 1.2cm PNR in race no 174 while DOJ (race no 166) has done same distance in 1m 24.78s at 1.1cm PNR closest to Interstellar timings. Tweedle Dee could do this distance in 1m 25.11s and that too when PNR was 1.0cm. Do I have to give any more explanation?
I am not interested to enter in any competition with you or anybody else...
@ SVKRaju,
I don’t offer my handicapping methods to anybody. Offering it free is out of question. I also don’t offer free tips.
Furthermore, I am sure that you don’t know who I am and perhaps will never know. Somewhere , i have read that you have played a bet of one lakh rupees and lost it, in 1980’s by selling some land. Maybe true.
I don’t offer my tips for free but post them as and when I feel that I must do it. I’ve done it in the past – posted 5 straight winners on 2/4/17 , and will do it in future but at my time and convenience.
UNDERSTAND. O.K. JI...........
Svkraju said ...
15-Sep-2017
@ CHANAKYA JI
NOW A DAYS IN INDIA NO PUNTER NEEDS ALL YOUR SO CALLED HANDICAPING , SPEED RATING , PEDIGREE AND SO ON.
THE PUNTERS NEED EARNING MOUNT. CAN YOU GIVE THAT EARNING MOUNT TO THE IR . COM FOLLOWERS LIKE ME.
THEN IF SO PLEASE GIVE ONE HORSE PER DAY WHICH MAY GIVE EVEN 50% OF HIS INVESTMENT.
THANK YOU SIR . I KNOW VERY WELL WHO YOU ARE. BUT PLEASE TRY TO DO SOMETHING IS POSSIBLE BUT VERY DIFFICULT TO GET IT AT PRESENT SITUATION IN INDIA.
THANK YOU JI. HOPE FROM TOMORROW ONWARDS WE EXPECTING YOUR ONE CHOICE WHICH MAY GIVE GOOD RESULTS TO OUR FELLOW PUNTERS LIKE ME.
ALL THE BEST JI
NOW A DAYS IN INDIA NO PUNTER NEEDS ALL YOUR SO CALLED HANDICAPING , SPEED RATING , PEDIGREE AND SO ON.
THE PUNTERS NEED EARNING MOUNT. CAN YOU GIVE THAT EARNING MOUNT TO THE IR . COM FOLLOWERS LIKE ME.
THEN IF SO PLEASE GIVE ONE HORSE PER DAY WHICH MAY GIVE EVEN 50% OF HIS INVESTMENT.
THANK YOU SIR . I KNOW VERY WELL WHO YOU ARE. BUT PLEASE TRY TO DO SOMETHING IS POSSIBLE BUT VERY DIFFICULT TO GET IT AT PRESENT SITUATION IN INDIA.
THANK YOU JI. HOPE FROM TOMORROW ONWARDS WE EXPECTING YOUR ONE CHOICE WHICH MAY GIVE GOOD RESULTS TO OUR FELLOW PUNTERS LIKE ME.
ALL THE BEST JI
Mad Max said ...
15-Sep-2017
@ Chanakya
Please ignore my comments posted On : 9/15/2017 10:33:07 AM:
Seen your reply On : 9/15/2017 10:01:20 AM. In your way of handicapping (whatsoever latest method you are talking), do you get Savannah Sound, Sea Fairy, La Romance, Big Sur like horses ? Don't forget there were 90% opposition to these horses (Not only those horses, most of my selections are opposed in HT every time. I dont think your reply will be affirmative.
Any way anyone can make comments after the race. As regards to DOJ's races, I have not only examined the last race but previous races with TD. I think you have taken the last race for analysis and reached a conclusion of 1/2 kg difference.
Any way your comments are welcome before the races from tomorrow Pune races? You can oppose my selections with your counter tips with explanations. Hope you will oblige.
Please ignore my comments posted On : 9/15/2017 10:33:07 AM:
Seen your reply On : 9/15/2017 10:01:20 AM. In your way of handicapping (whatsoever latest method you are talking), do you get Savannah Sound, Sea Fairy, La Romance, Big Sur like horses ? Don't forget there were 90% opposition to these horses (Not only those horses, most of my selections are opposed in HT every time. I dont think your reply will be affirmative.
Any way anyone can make comments after the race. As regards to DOJ's races, I have not only examined the last race but previous races with TD. I think you have taken the last race for analysis and reached a conclusion of 1/2 kg difference.
Any way your comments are welcome before the races from tomorrow Pune races? You can oppose my selections with your counter tips with explanations. Hope you will oblige.
Mad Max said ...
15-Sep-2017
@ Chanakya
I need the explanation, check my earlier comments under this thread addressed to you. You are always like this, post irresponsible comments, and vanish.
I need the explanation, check my earlier comments under this thread addressed to you. You are always like this, post irresponsible comments, and vanish.
Chanakya said ...
15-Sep-2017
@Mad Max,
Earning ‘Easy money’ by the fastest way, is the core of gambling and horse racing is a legal way to achieve it. Handicapping is a system/method to achieve it . The modes or variations of methods used in handicapping will give, sometime, different results- confusing a serious handicapper. A single system will never give more than 50% correct results.
Weight, speed, pace, astro, sectional times, intention of connections etc. and many more handicapping methods are used by experts and novices – singly, most of the time. Correlation of many aspects or parameters is not used by most of the handicappers, because it takes time and ALL OF THEM are ‘time bound’.
As per your posting on 13/9/17 at 12: 12 PM based only on weight handicapping DOJ comes only ½ kg. better than TD – using the present day standards. But time tested conventions used by 20th. century experts opine that weight handicapping gives fairly accurate results for longer distance(2000m and above) races and may sometime help in 1600/1800m also but for sprints(1000-1400m) its reliability is suspect.
I follow speed handicapping based on penetrometer and refine it with form and few other aspects to decide my choice. In this case Interstellar was 3-4 points better than DOJ and almost 7 to 8 points better than TweedleDee.
To close the issue, I must say that Interstellar is far better than Tweedle Dee at level weights...
Earning ‘Easy money’ by the fastest way, is the core of gambling and horse racing is a legal way to achieve it. Handicapping is a system/method to achieve it . The modes or variations of methods used in handicapping will give, sometime, different results- confusing a serious handicapper. A single system will never give more than 50% correct results.
Weight, speed, pace, astro, sectional times, intention of connections etc. and many more handicapping methods are used by experts and novices – singly, most of the time. Correlation of many aspects or parameters is not used by most of the handicappers, because it takes time and ALL OF THEM are ‘time bound’.
As per your posting on 13/9/17 at 12: 12 PM based only on weight handicapping DOJ comes only ½ kg. better than TD – using the present day standards. But time tested conventions used by 20th. century experts opine that weight handicapping gives fairly accurate results for longer distance(2000m and above) races and may sometime help in 1600/1800m also but for sprints(1000-1400m) its reliability is suspect.
I follow speed handicapping based on penetrometer and refine it with form and few other aspects to decide my choice. In this case Interstellar was 3-4 points better than DOJ and almost 7 to 8 points better than TweedleDee.
To close the issue, I must say that Interstellar is far better than Tweedle Dee at level weights...
Crk said ...
14-Sep-2017
@ All,
The prescription of Dr.Bashaar may be kindly heeded to by all concerned, especially the detractors of Mad Max, who is selflessly doing such a commendable job in guiding us towards sensible betting (especially newcomers). Please stop using foul and below the belt remarks-it only advertises your class so to speak.
The Administrator has done well to endorse Dr. Bashaar's request.
Thank You, Dr. Bashhar, Administrator and Mad Max.(More Power To Your
Selections.)
Regards.
The prescription of Dr.Bashaar may be kindly heeded to by all concerned, especially the detractors of Mad Max, who is selflessly doing such a commendable job in guiding us towards sensible betting (especially newcomers). Please stop using foul and below the belt remarks-it only advertises your class so to speak.
The Administrator has done well to endorse Dr. Bashaar's request.
Thank You, Dr. Bashhar, Administrator and Mad Max.(More Power To Your
Selections.)
Regards.
Jerry. said ...
14-Sep-2017
Hi all, I'm from Kolkata so lets review the race, my selection and put things into Perspective:
Interstellar was my first choice but I opted for Noverro as explained that INTR had no work for 33 days etc. However, after the viewing the horses in the Paddock, I switched back to Interstellar as Noverro was looking a bit dry, obviously not 100%. INT was looking a picture and couldn't look so good without workouts or.....
INTR had beaten TD twice before, once handsomely at level weights and earlier in season, giving marginal weight. Sp, INTR was always better only suspect on work.
DOJ on the other hand was easily passed from far back by TD in last race and obviously is not up to his mark where he beat Setaflame. His Bangalore runs were also listless and it appears hes lost form or going backwards.
Noverro was tried as a Doosra but his condition didn't warrant a coup. I won!!
The moral here is always be flexible while betting. Pre-race selections are done on basis of handicap, form and finally work. However, that Final Spurt is always 3 or 4 days prior to race and anything can go wrong in the interim. The key is to watch the Paddock Parade, Weights before & after, before wagering!!!
Interstellar was my first choice but I opted for Noverro as explained that INTR had no work for 33 days etc. However, after the viewing the horses in the Paddock, I switched back to Interstellar as Noverro was looking a bit dry, obviously not 100%. INT was looking a picture and couldn't look so good without workouts or.....
INTR had beaten TD twice before, once handsomely at level weights and earlier in season, giving marginal weight. Sp, INTR was always better only suspect on work.
DOJ on the other hand was easily passed from far back by TD in last race and obviously is not up to his mark where he beat Setaflame. His Bangalore runs were also listless and it appears hes lost form or going backwards.
Noverro was tried as a Doosra but his condition didn't warrant a coup. I won!!
The moral here is always be flexible while betting. Pre-race selections are done on basis of handicap, form and finally work. However, that Final Spurt is always 3 or 4 days prior to race and anything can go wrong in the interim. The key is to watch the Paddock Parade, Weights before & after, before wagering!!!
Db said ...
14-Sep-2017
Hello,
I am from Kolkata and i am going to the race course for 4 months now and it has not taken me time to understand that my course in Kolkata, you have to work with the horse syndicate Vijay Singh, Bharath Singh & Manavendra Singh.
I saw the horse DOJ, an hour before the race in the stable and I realised there was something wrong as the horse looked drowsy.
When the bookies opened the counter, I asked a friend to play 10k on DOJ, to just understand the politics of the bookmakers and I realised they are cheating all of us.
I gave him another 10k to play on Intersletter, 5 k win and 5 k place. Win @ 6 and place at 90p. So, ended making the right decision.
Thus is Kolkata. My experience of understanding of horses is limited,but the profession I am in, my understanding of bookmakers are a lot more.
Again I would like to thank Horse talk and all its tipsters for allowing me to understand the mathematics behind it.
Then again, at places like Kolkata, when the connections have been made from before, Nothing can save you from getting loot.
THANK YOU.
DB.
I am from Kolkata and i am going to the race course for 4 months now and it has not taken me time to understand that my course in Kolkata, you have to work with the horse syndicate Vijay Singh, Bharath Singh & Manavendra Singh.
I saw the horse DOJ, an hour before the race in the stable and I realised there was something wrong as the horse looked drowsy.
When the bookies opened the counter, I asked a friend to play 10k on DOJ, to just understand the politics of the bookmakers and I realised they are cheating all of us.
I gave him another 10k to play on Intersletter, 5 k win and 5 k place. Win @ 6 and place at 90p. So, ended making the right decision.
Thus is Kolkata. My experience of understanding of horses is limited,but the profession I am in, my understanding of bookmakers are a lot more.
Again I would like to thank Horse talk and all its tipsters for allowing me to understand the mathematics behind it.
Then again, at places like Kolkata, when the connections have been made from before, Nothing can save you from getting loot.
THANK YOU.
DB.
Raghavan said ...
14-Sep-2017
Mad Max choice failed.
At the same time Raj's choice also failed. In a six horse field, where 3 horses are dummy pieces, a favorite finishing 2nd is not a big thing to jump in joy.
So, Interstellar, a horse with credentials had won. My cheers to all who played the winner.
At the same time Raj's choice also failed. In a six horse field, where 3 horses are dummy pieces, a favorite finishing 2nd is not a big thing to jump in joy.
So, Interstellar, a horse with credentials had won. My cheers to all who played the winner.
Mad Max said ...
14-Sep-2017@ Mr Chanakya,
I am unable to FIND how R.174 gives INTERSTELLAR clear edge over Drops of Jupiter? Drops of Jupiter and Interstellar never ran together then how can you make such a statement?
In R.No.206, DROPS OF JUPITER (51 Kg) beaten SETAFLAME (57.5 kg AS ONCE AGAIN DOOSARA FROM THE TRAINER, habitually he is doing this for years). In that race FEW DOLLARS MORE finished around 5 lengths behind DOJ. Thereafter SETAFLAME (56.5 kg) beaten No More Politics, Acrider, Bullrun and Interstellar (53.5 Kg), ie. 3 Kg weight difference + plus 3 lengths. In R.No.174 No more Politics and Few Dollars more finished ahead of INTERSTELLAR. Now you are telling INTERSTELLAR is better as per R.174. Now over to Chanakya, please give justification how you arrived on that theory.
In my opinion DOJ lost yesterday because she was not race fit, and the connections were aware of it and they entered the horse deliberately to cheat the public. INTERSTELLAR was my second choice because it was placed better than Tweedle Dee - vis a vis R No.6 and that is the reason I said in my comments INTERSTELLAR is the only threat. The inter-connected trainers took the advantage as usual and Gambled with Interstellar and they got 5/1 odds.
What Vijay Singh, Bharath Singh & Manavendra Singh team are doing in Kolkata is emulated by Arjun Mangalorkar, S.S.Attaollahi, Neil Darashah & Irfan Ghatala in Bangalore. In Mumbai Pesi Shroff has also his team of trainers and owners, but the greed taken him to another level, and he is doing it alone nowadays with his multiple entries. Only because of these cheaters, punters cannot make money. This statement I have been making from Day-1 and echoed by eminent Horse Talkers. To tide over this, to an extent, paddock parade, jockey trainers body languages, singles, etc will help. Since there is no Off-Course Betting at BTC, I am watching all these Tamashas online.
Jayakumar said ...
13-Sep-2017
Madmax and Raj don't try to concentrate more on kolkata races because I feel in this center no handicapping will work, no shoe changes work no weight raise or decrease will work,as per my experience in kolkata only 2 things works here most important is if any horse finished on board with worst rider and if suddenly some better jockey sitting it's winning and 2nd is in kolkata irrespective of other center winner is always winner, handicap will not work out example here today Twedele beaten DOJ and it beaten again and recently Evesham beaten commander and it beaten again but these 2 horses should run in same races back to back finally connection big owners and trainers always try for big stack money, if you concentrate on this center you may confuse to pick the winner in other centers, it's just my personal observation
Dr.bashaar said ...
13-Sep-2017
HT members,
I have already requested once. Again I will do it... Pls/Pls/Pls dont try to put down anyboby in this site. This site is not for pulling each other's legs. If anyone gives his likings ( with proper reasoning ), if you like it you accept it.. If you dont like it... dont accept it. Thats all. Mr.Madmax has never claimed that he is a leading tipster anytime any where.There is absolutely no need for anyone to try to put him down. Actions like this only will discourage good tipsters ( who are giving their selections with reasoning ) to stop coming on this site. People who are putting down Madmax may not suffer. But there may be many HT members who may still be willing to follow him ( inspite of his recent failures ).
Request once again- Make this as a site as one with good/healthy discussions so that it will help all of us and it will be interesting to go through.
I hope everyone here will accept my request.
Best wishes to all
Dr.Bashaar
@Dr.Bashaar
ADMIN
I totaly agree with Dr.Bashaar.
Stop Fooling Punter said ...
13-Sep-2017
Clearly the the Horse has either gone lame or BV Case [a bad one]Otherwise it would not have finished no where.There Is nothing to gloat about RaJ
Remember your 8th wonder had won the race!So do not have such a short memory.
As I said it is a race and here we all giving free choices
Remember your 8th wonder had won the race!So do not have such a short memory.
As I said it is a race and here we all giving free choices
Chanakya said ...
13-Sep-2017
Do not blame handicapping. Inability to find the winner due to weakness and faults in individual's system is the reason for failure. speed rating (race 174) clearly gives advantage of more than 2 or 3 point to Interstellar over his nearest rival DO Jupiter...
Katraj said ...
13-Sep-2017
@Raj
When will you learn to give serious selections without mentioning others your horse didn't win don't forget it and it was tote fav. Try to give a horse which is more than 3/1 odds then talk about others. You did't success in your selection and you are talking about others, MM or you were not paid tipsters to talk about your failures after race. If your studied horse matched with others then play or just leave it who are you to ask him about his failures.
@ We will never believe that you played huge amount on MM selection. Raj, Hope you stop this type of comments and try to give serious selections for once. Good Luck. You guys talking against his tips here and playing huge amount on it that's why odds reducing for his selections rapidly.
Sorry if comment any wrong here.
When will you learn to give serious selections without mentioning others your horse didn't win don't forget it and it was tote fav. Try to give a horse which is more than 3/1 odds then talk about others. You did't success in your selection and you are talking about others, MM or you were not paid tipsters to talk about your failures after race. If your studied horse matched with others then play or just leave it who are you to ask him about his failures.
@ We will never believe that you played huge amount on MM selection. Raj, Hope you stop this type of comments and try to give serious selections for once. Good Luck. You guys talking against his tips here and playing huge amount on it that's why odds reducing for his selections rapidly.
Sorry if comment any wrong here.
Krisna said ...
13-Sep-2017
whatever theory you apply it always the other horse that wins.
Every body treats racing like Maths and Science Break their their with all possible formulas and funda Ultimately it ends up a History..
This is racing My dear folks . No formula works Either beat it or get beaten. The game is evil. Accept it before playing and punting. Or else go get a parrot and let it pick your winner
In the end you can always blame the parrot
18:44
Every body treats racing like Maths and Science Break their their with all possible formulas and funda Ultimately it ends up a History..
This is racing My dear folks . No formula works Either beat it or get beaten. The game is evil. Accept it before playing and punting. Or else go get a parrot and let it pick your winner
In the end you can always blame the parrot
18:44
Raj said ...
13-Sep-2017
Congrates to starone and god is great for catching the winner.
At least two horses I discussed in this thread ended being 1 and 2.
That's the only consolation.
I was watching turf ticket to see the results. When I did not see Drop of Jupiter I thought it has been with drawn or it has dropped dead.
When I saw the complete result realised that It's not running still but has managed to complete the course!!!!!!!
MM got himself dragged in to controversy. I had never mentioned his NAME.Kindly see for yourself in the thread of Kolkata selections.
He typed his own name in the bracket.Which I had not typed and he considerd himself a leading tipster.
With 4 flops in a row I don't think so. If 4 films fail in a row you all what happens to that hero.
I had posted this thread much earlier. After reading this he posted that TD is the Lay bet and elevated DOJ which was my Lay bet.
He even promoted A donkey Flanker ahead of TD.
That was deleberate. Now everyone knows which deserved to be lay bet.!!!!!!!
So much so about speed rating, shoes,BLK, connections, handicap,wt,jockey, trainer,owner,penetrometer reading,odds that race this race.
Nothing works .
We are all FOOLS.
At least two horses I discussed in this thread ended being 1 and 2.
That's the only consolation.
I was watching turf ticket to see the results. When I did not see Drop of Jupiter I thought it has been with drawn or it has dropped dead.
When I saw the complete result realised that It's not running still but has managed to complete the course!!!!!!!
MM got himself dragged in to controversy. I had never mentioned his NAME.Kindly see for yourself in the thread of Kolkata selections.
He typed his own name in the bracket.Which I had not typed and he considerd himself a leading tipster.
With 4 flops in a row I don't think so. If 4 films fail in a row you all what happens to that hero.
I had posted this thread much earlier. After reading this he posted that TD is the Lay bet and elevated DOJ which was my Lay bet.
He even promoted A donkey Flanker ahead of TD.
That was deleberate. Now everyone knows which deserved to be lay bet.!!!!!!!
So much so about speed rating, shoes,BLK, connections, handicap,wt,jockey, trainer,owner,penetrometer reading,odds that race this race.
Nothing works .
We are all FOOLS.
Shaps said ...
13-Sep-2017
Friends,
Stop giving selections for races conducted at Kolkatta, Mysore and Delhi.
Here, neither study nor timings nor any other calculations / way's work.
Here only manipulated races are conducted in 70 % of the races, except 2 or 3 races., to get the confidence of punters and draw them to the race course the next day, again to loot them.
At these center's, play with plastic money, rather than real money.
Arguing with each other is doing no good to anybody. Think how to bring these suited and booted theives to book.
Stop giving selections for races conducted at Kolkatta, Mysore and Delhi.
Here, neither study nor timings nor any other calculations / way's work.
Here only manipulated races are conducted in 70 % of the races, except 2 or 3 races., to get the confidence of punters and draw them to the race course the next day, again to loot them.
At these center's, play with plastic money, rather than real money.
Arguing with each other is doing no good to anybody. Think how to bring these suited and booted theives to book.
Manish said ...
13-Sep-2017
@other manish,
Tipsters have confidence because there is no money involved in tipping at free sites. Who knows what one has played. Not to take credit from anyone here but still when a horse wins, tipsters go ga ga ga. When it loses, they blame the evil intention of every tom dick and harry in racing industry.
They forget that when their own horse won, may be the same tom dick and harry had evil intentions to not let the best horse win, resulting in their bet passing.
This is racing dear. Either beat it or get beaten. The game is evil. Accept it before playing and punting.
Happy Punting.
Tipsters have confidence because there is no money involved in tipping at free sites. Who knows what one has played. Not to take credit from anyone here but still when a horse wins, tipsters go ga ga ga. When it loses, they blame the evil intention of every tom dick and harry in racing industry.
They forget that when their own horse won, may be the same tom dick and harry had evil intentions to not let the best horse win, resulting in their bet passing.
This is racing dear. Either beat it or get beaten. The game is evil. Accept it before playing and punting.
Happy Punting.
Ravi said ...
13-Sep-2017
My Bank Balance fell like
DROPS OF JUPITER.
following the comments of the so called ACE....
DROPS OF JUPITER.
following the comments of the so called ACE....
Bharath Raj said ...
13-Sep-2017
@manish ,kolkata track is very tricky...experience matters a lot their.
Manish said ...
13-Sep-2017
@ Manish
You purchase some horses and give it to some trainers. If someone ask you whether your horse is on job, you will simply say "Good Chance, play each way'. Why each way, when the horse is not going to place? If you ask the trainer, he will also reply same "Good chance, play each way". This is the tragedy in Indian horse racing Industry. Tipsters at least have confidence at majority of times. Interesting point is 'the jockeys riding a horse' know the outcome of the race before the race.
You purchase some horses and give it to some trainers. If someone ask you whether your horse is on job, you will simply say "Good Chance, play each way'. Why each way, when the horse is not going to place? If you ask the trainer, he will also reply same "Good chance, play each way". This is the tragedy in Indian horse racing Industry. Tipsters at least have confidence at majority of times. Interesting point is 'the jockeys riding a horse' know the outcome of the race before the race.
Manish said ...
13-Sep-2017
Whatever one may post, they always give a rider. And Mr. Bharat Raj has ironically put a rider on a rider. Lol.
May the best horse win.
May the best horse win.
Bharath Raj said ...
13-Sep-2017
Drops of Jupiter, one horse for me...but i m afraid of rider Debe.
Arc said ...
13-Sep-2017
The very fact that explanations are coming on before the race itself is run very clearly indicates .then what is the point of working MATHS and doing study.
its totally unfair if one takes credit if his predicted horse wins and totally puts off the blame to trainers/jockeys/Interconnctions etc if they lose.
ADMIN:please post this this is ahealthy point
its totally unfair if one takes credit if his predicted horse wins and totally puts off the blame to trainers/jockeys/Interconnctions etc if they lose.
ADMIN:please post this this is ahealthy point
Starone said ...
13-Sep-2017
INTERSTELLAR ....NO ONE WILL TOUCH HIM.
Mad Max said ...
13-Sep-2017
In the said race 4 horses are interconnected.
2 & 4 Bharath Singh
5 Vijay Singh
3 Interstellar
In most races in Kolkata this is the story. We are talking about maths.
They are talking about punters money, how to grab it. So do not write off any horse. Since Raj has raised the issue, he should get a legitimate reply why we chosen DOJ. We follow maths and no 'hera pheri' like the above trainers do at RCTC.
2 & 4 Bharath Singh
5 Vijay Singh
3 Interstellar
In most races in Kolkata this is the story. We are talking about maths.
They are talking about punters money, how to grab it. So do not write off any horse. Since Raj has raised the issue, he should get a legitimate reply why we chosen DOJ. We follow maths and no 'hera pheri' like the above trainers do at RCTC.
Murali said ...
13-Sep-2017
TWEEDLE DEE SHOULD WIN SILVERINA CUP from INTERSTELLAR and DOJ
Stop Fooling Punter said ...
13-Sep-2017
M.M. now you are allowing your self to get carried away.
It is a race And I have seen even owners lose on a so called sure bets. So what if it loses to some other horse in. We live to fight another day
My bet on D.O.Jupiter stands and money already sent for a win bet only.
So I am quite clear on it.
Raj congrats for not using the term 9TH wonder for D.O.J.
It is a race And I have seen even owners lose on a so called sure bets. So what if it loses to some other horse in. We live to fight another day
My bet on D.O.Jupiter stands and money already sent for a win bet only.
So I am quite clear on it.
Raj congrats for not using the term 9TH wonder for D.O.J.
Mad Max said ...
13-Sep-2017
@ Raj
This is in response to your comments targeting my selection posted in regular selection thread, which I reproduce below:
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Posted by Raj at Regular selection thread On : 9/13/2017 8:53:53 AM
"Tweedle Dee - Days best.
Lay bet of the day "Drops of Jupiter" irrespective of it's odds.
Tweedle Dee has beaten DOJ blue without using whip in 1200 Mt race.
Some so called " leading tipster (Mad Max)" is going to become irrelevant from today onwards. All ready 3 flops in a row. 4th is waiting.
Don't become like ARC following his tips. Play above Tweedle Dee and go home happy"
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Now my Reply to your comments:
I advise you to go back and check Race No.166 “The Dasho Lhendup Dorji Memorial Cup†– a Class-II 1400m race in Kolkata, where DROPS OF JUPITER carried 53 kg, Tweedle Dee carried 53.5 Kg, Flanker carried 53 kgs. DROPS OF JUPITER won that race by 3 lengths from Tweedle Dee. If you know speed rating, check how many lengths JUPITER is better TODAY than Tweedle Dee.
OK leave that race, go further back and Check R.No.6 last season, where INTERSTELLAR (58.5 Kg) beaten TWEEDLE DEE (51 Kg) over the same distance in Class-2 by Short Neck. Do your maths right and see INTERSTELLAR is how many lengths better today than Tweedle Dee today?.
Now coming back to latest R.No.54, please do your speed rating and find which horse is better, Jupiter, Flanker or Tweedle ? Now I am connecting Flanker to Noverro, Check Race No. 238, and find which one is better today?
In racing anything can happen, no guarantee whatsoever "YOUR" horse will win, or "MY" horse will win. The Owners and the trainers will have the last say just punters and tipsters are mere onlookers.
There was a 1600m horse owned by D.Khaitan and trained by Vijay Singh, that went on to win continuously all races from 1200 m to 1600m in Kolkata (Forgot the name) if TWEEDLE DEE wins today, he will emulate that horse, note. So I am not against your horse TD. But the maths are against it. Let it DEFY THE PENALTY & LOGIC like Khaitan's horse, I will be happy for you.
FRANKLY SPEAKING, my personal opinion is DROPS OF JUPITER have only one threat - INTERSTELLAR in this race.
This is in response to your comments targeting my selection posted in regular selection thread, which I reproduce below:
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Posted by Raj at Regular selection thread On : 9/13/2017 8:53:53 AM
"Tweedle Dee - Days best.
Lay bet of the day "Drops of Jupiter" irrespective of it's odds.
Tweedle Dee has beaten DOJ blue without using whip in 1200 Mt race.
Some so called " leading tipster (Mad Max)" is going to become irrelevant from today onwards. All ready 3 flops in a row. 4th is waiting.
Don't become like ARC following his tips. Play above Tweedle Dee and go home happy"
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Now my Reply to your comments:
I advise you to go back and check Race No.166 “The Dasho Lhendup Dorji Memorial Cup†– a Class-II 1400m race in Kolkata, where DROPS OF JUPITER carried 53 kg, Tweedle Dee carried 53.5 Kg, Flanker carried 53 kgs. DROPS OF JUPITER won that race by 3 lengths from Tweedle Dee. If you know speed rating, check how many lengths JUPITER is better TODAY than Tweedle Dee.
OK leave that race, go further back and Check R.No.6 last season, where INTERSTELLAR (58.5 Kg) beaten TWEEDLE DEE (51 Kg) over the same distance in Class-2 by Short Neck. Do your maths right and see INTERSTELLAR is how many lengths better today than Tweedle Dee today?.
Now coming back to latest R.No.54, please do your speed rating and find which horse is better, Jupiter, Flanker or Tweedle ? Now I am connecting Flanker to Noverro, Check Race No. 238, and find which one is better today?
In racing anything can happen, no guarantee whatsoever "YOUR" horse will win, or "MY" horse will win. The Owners and the trainers will have the last say just punters and tipsters are mere onlookers.
There was a 1600m horse owned by D.Khaitan and trained by Vijay Singh, that went on to win continuously all races from 1200 m to 1600m in Kolkata (Forgot the name) if TWEEDLE DEE wins today, he will emulate that horse, note. So I am not against your horse TD. But the maths are against it. Let it DEFY THE PENALTY & LOGIC like Khaitan's horse, I will be happy for you.
FRANKLY SPEAKING, my personal opinion is DROPS OF JUPITER have only one threat - INTERSTELLAR in this race.
Jerry. said ...
13-Sep-2017
I hate to disagree with Mad Max as hes been so accurate of late its unbelievable!
However, first its the Silverina Cup, it was Bharat's horse, so sentiment is attached. Then, if you look at the last race where DOJ ran after Bangalore where he ran miserably though fancied, he was in receipt of oodles of weight from Make Way.., ZANDER and others and yet couldn't accelerate though up front with leader.
Tweedle Dee on the other hand was giving him weight, was far behind him at the Turn and just cruised past to win easier than verdict. That C. Alford rode him to all his wins is a plus. Now they step up to 14 Furlong with both being penalized 6.5 and 2.5 kgs respectively.
Interstellar, the 14 F specialist and the only horse to have beaten TD twice, a long time ago and as a juvenile has a pull of 2 kgs from TD would have got my vote but its been 33 days since he last appeared on the track for work.
Noverro, the Older of the favoured lot beat ZANDER comfortably then given an easy run against Evesham who again won a 14 F is the Joker in the pack, has been prepared systematically with same joc AND IS OWNED BY OWNER OF SILVERINA.
ITS CLEAR THAT THE WILY BHARAT S HAS DESIGNED THIS RACE FOR HIMSELF AND HIS ERSTWHILE OWNER. Hope I'm right!!
However, first its the Silverina Cup, it was Bharat's horse, so sentiment is attached. Then, if you look at the last race where DOJ ran after Bangalore where he ran miserably though fancied, he was in receipt of oodles of weight from Make Way.., ZANDER and others and yet couldn't accelerate though up front with leader.
Tweedle Dee on the other hand was giving him weight, was far behind him at the Turn and just cruised past to win easier than verdict. That C. Alford rode him to all his wins is a plus. Now they step up to 14 Furlong with both being penalized 6.5 and 2.5 kgs respectively.
Interstellar, the 14 F specialist and the only horse to have beaten TD twice, a long time ago and as a juvenile has a pull of 2 kgs from TD would have got my vote but its been 33 days since he last appeared on the track for work.
Noverro, the Older of the favoured lot beat ZANDER comfortably then given an easy run against Evesham who again won a 14 F is the Joker in the pack, has been prepared systematically with same joc AND IS OWNED BY OWNER OF SILVERINA.
ITS CLEAR THAT THE WILY BHARAT S HAS DESIGNED THIS RACE FOR HIMSELF AND HIS ERSTWHILE OWNER. Hope I'm right!!
Vishnu G said ...
13-Sep-2017
Noverro,............................
S.govindarajan(chennai) said ...
13-Sep-2017
THE SILVER BEAR PLATE(KOLKATA--13/09/2017)
4th RACE--NO.(3)
------------
SIMON TEMPLAR
===============
IN THE '' THE SILVER BEAR PLATE'' AT KOLKATA
TODAY ''SIMON TEMPLAR'' SHOULD WIN IN GREAT
STYLE WITHOUT ANY DIFFICULTY.(DASARATH SING UP).
IT RAN IN BANGALORE WITH BETTER COMPANY
PINYADA,GHANDARVE ,MINIVER ROSE,ANIMAL KING.......
TODAY TRACKING 800 / 56.8(-3), 600 /42.8(-3),400/26(-4)
THE MAIN THREAT FOR SIMON TEMPLAR IS ''NOBU''(NO. 6)
"SIMON TEMPLAR" IS MY DAY'S BEST ALSO.
"NOBU" FOR PLACE.
OTHER GOOD BETS
===============
1st RACE NO.(6)--DEVOTION
2nd RACE NO.(2)--DIXIE DIMOND
3rd RACE NO.(3)--EVEYBREAKINGWAVE
4th RACE NO.(3)-SIMON TEMPLAR
5th RACE NO.(5)--MILLINIUM GLORY
6th RACE NO.(6)--DROPS OF JUPITER
7th RACE NO.(5)--ELCID--(place bet)
_________________________
REGARDS FROM,
S.GOVINDARAJAN(chennai)
Stop Fooling Punter said ...
13-Sep-2017
''T'' is totally handicapped out today.
Last race a reverse handicap of 7 Kgs favouring D.O.Jupiter
So for me a clear winner in him [beware if odds on fav avoid same owners as Sereno [of pune].fame
Noverro is a speedster and will lead till 1100 mtrs.
Last race a reverse handicap of 7 Kgs favouring D.O.Jupiter
So for me a clear winner in him [beware if odds on fav avoid same owners as Sereno [of pune].fame
Noverro is a speedster and will lead till 1100 mtrs.
Anushree said ...
13-Sep-2017
1—2.EMPOWERED
PL-4.CARPE NOCTEM//5.TRUE GENIUS
2—5.VERY SPECIAL
PL-6.FAB BULLET//4.ROMANTIC SOCEITY
3—5.HARTNELL
PL-4.JOSS//3.EVERYBREAKINGWAVE
4—4.BEATLES BIBLE
PL-2.LEVANTE//3.SIMON TEMPLAR
5—6.JUMP AND RUN
PL-5.MILLENIUM GLORY//2.RABDA
6—6.DROPS OF JUPITER
PL-2.TWEEDLE DEE//1.FLANKER
7—4.MAGIC IN THE AIR
PL-11.ATHLETICO//1.CLAYMORE
PL-4.CARPE NOCTEM//5.TRUE GENIUS
2—5.VERY SPECIAL
PL-6.FAB BULLET//4.ROMANTIC SOCEITY
3—5.HARTNELL
PL-4.JOSS//3.EVERYBREAKINGWAVE
4—4.BEATLES BIBLE
PL-2.LEVANTE//3.SIMON TEMPLAR
5—6.JUMP AND RUN
PL-5.MILLENIUM GLORY//2.RABDA
6—6.DROPS OF JUPITER
PL-2.TWEEDLE DEE//1.FLANKER
7—4.MAGIC IN THE AIR
PL-11.ATHLETICO//1.CLAYMORE
God Is Great said ...
13-Sep-2017
INTERSTELLAR looks like a horse to be beaten on handicapping INTERSTELLAR is slightly above than TWEEDLE DEE
Final choice : INTERSTELLAR win
Final choice : INTERSTELLAR win
Svkraju said ...
12-Sep-2017
@ DEAR RAJ
TWEEDLE DEE MAY FAIL TOMORROW . THERE ARE TWO REASONS . FIRST ONE IS PENALTY AND GIVING WEIGHT TO OTHER GOOD HORSES. SECOND ONE IS CONNECTIONS MAY GAMBLE . SO THE RACE SHOULD BE BETWEEN NOVERRO AND DROPS OF JUPITER.
ALL THE BEST
TWEEDLE DEE MAY FAIL TOMORROW . THERE ARE TWO REASONS . FIRST ONE IS PENALTY AND GIVING WEIGHT TO OTHER GOOD HORSES. SECOND ONE IS CONNECTIONS MAY GAMBLE . SO THE RACE SHOULD BE BETWEEN NOVERRO AND DROPS OF JUPITER.
ALL THE BEST
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