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By Mad Max | 03-Nov-2017
Kolkata Races:
Race No.6> The Hilliard Cup
Class-1 (1400 mtrs).
Winter Races are starting tomorrow with Kolkata Races. As promised earlier, I wish to start my ONE RACE ANALYSIS (For Highest Class Race of the day) from 4th November 2017. Sadly I was preoccupied with some other work today, hence I will post my final analysis tomorrow morning. However, I am opening this thread, in case any one wants to participate in this discussion, please forward his/her views, comments and final selections before the start of the first race - 12.30 pm. I will post my selections before 10.00 Am tomorrow.
Welcome all !
50 Replies
Patient At Heart said ...
08-Nov-2017Sir are you a doctor? As you have treated @mohan for his problem I solicit your advice.
After seeing Tweedlie Dee race I am having some pain in eyes and in heart also, can you kindly advise what’s the treatment? I never backed it for your information. Patiently await your learned diagnosis.
Mad Max said ...
06-Nov-2017Sana was capable of doing better, but the trainer had other ideas.
So wait for next whatever race..it wont win.
Jerry Willdo will eat the humble pie on Guineas day !
Kalpesh said ...
06-Nov-2017Jerry Willdo said ...
05-Nov-2017However, Gryffindor in Race3 from same stable was a Good Thing via information but Fell in the Saddling Enclosure and was made to Run - horse came in to Ring looking bad, was nervous - jumped last and ran last. Something sinister from Trainer as Owner backed huge amount!!!
Sana on the other hand looked exceptionally good. Informers said rather than Mock Race, Prep race in Class 1 was agreed to??? Resultantly, backed down to 45p but lost to a better Class Horse (who also had same medical problem as Sana - Sana won after problem) Winner should have been Tweedlee Dee who came from last to close 4th with better intentions.
SANA WITH THIS RUN HAS NO PEERS IN THE GUINEAS, IS A CERTAINTY BAR ACCIDENT.
Reacher said ...
05-Nov-2017Stop Fooling Punter said ...
05-Nov-2017First how do you know his amount. Second I am told Volantius opened 1.25 went up to 1.75.So why did he do a roll even with bet of only rs 2 lakhs on Sana he would have been in profit.
3rd some doctors here will tell you sudden heart attack is just one in a million the body gives you enough warning.there are very clear symptoms much in advance
So please desist some such letters and stick to racing only.
Mad Max said ...
05-Nov-2017When multiple entries from a trainer or multiple entries from friendly trainers, this type of daylight robbery happens daily at every race clubs. No one wants to challenge Owners/Trainers priority to loot the public. To arrest this menace in The USA they have adopted bracketing of horses. Here there is no will to implement it because the owners are running the show. They want punters money, but we are not part of the system.
HOWEVER, to a certain extent you can save yourself if you follow strictly the body languages of jockeys, trainers, horse physiques, horses parades from paddock to starting stall. Sometime somewhere you will get a clue - a key to your success. Till then accept what is going on in the turf.
Bobhotha said ...
04-Nov-2017Just for our punters
Don't believe any one and lose money ? It's once own knowledge and understanding which helps.
Just because one has written and you follow is foolish and need not blame on him. If you are learned you should ,otherwise stop and watch and enjoy the day. Never become mad.
Professor said ...
04-Nov-2017Ayyarnet said ...
04-Nov-2017Madmax:
No certainty only as far Punters concerned but others they knew well. My request for Punters please come to the Races for joy of winning and entertainment only . Bet a small amount within your limit. If you bet heavily you will face miserable consequences. Please learn to respect money (Lakshmi) Please Please always remember when a bet for a certain or sure winning horse crosses optimum level BE SAFE effect will be applied. After all it is a business Racing History is full of such incidents. Club will not take any action whatsoever and the trainer also must oblige the mafia group otherwise he will disappear. I hope my friends understand my point. At least now onwards please do not indulge in heavy betting. Think of your family and dependents at home. Have little mercy for them.
Best regards to all
ayyarnet
Mad Max said ...
04-Nov-2017Punters should think about the eventualities before betting with their hard earned money. In horse racing there is no life. I have also seen such victims in the race courses ???? ?? ??? ?? ?????? ??? ! ????? ?????? ?????????????????.
Sun said ...
04-Nov-2017You are right on Spot.If we take Daffodil as reference it comes to 78 then 84 and 91respectively.Obviously 91 is too high as the 4th horse was far behind which means it was not fully exerted.I considered mid figure 84 which incidentally was Handicapper's figure.
Hope you had a good bet on Captain Cook.
Stop Fooling Punter said ...
04-Nov-2017There is no need to any after race thoughts simple, the odds did not suit the owners.
The concept of Doosaaras owes it origin to late MAM passed to Antia and LAGAD and now our friend.
Any way a good effort by so many here .that is what matters the most
It is free for every one to enjoy it. P.s. was at home like M.M.
Mad Max said ...
04-Nov-2017and Sana finished Second. Is it "Kissing Spine" taken Sana's toll or the trainer made it a private affair? The verdict is only Long Neck. It has once again proven in horse racing there is no certainty. People will come out different theories for Sana's loss, before that I request please check what was their fancy, if no Sana? Natural View was telling that what is the necessity of an Analysis ?
Pocket Jacks said ...
04-Nov-2017Easy to give post race Analysis, Hard to stand by such theory pre race..
Almamater said ...
04-Nov-2017point to be note
Point 1
Sana won a class 3 race in Bangalore beating Mauritania
point 2
sana ran a race in files came second to Windsor forest
point 3
sana won a derby in Kolkata beating daffodil
Now entered in class 1 as per MY knowledge daffodil windsor forest Mauritania all are similar type of animal with lack of class experience in there 3 year category when ever 3 year old horse's entred in class 1 its very difficult to win with a matured animal
In why opinion sana will not win
Golden Girl said ...
04-Nov-2017Honneru said ...
04-Nov-2017Flanker or Noverro {place chance}
Abhay...pune said ...
04-Nov-2017Cngowda said ...
04-Nov-2017Sun said ...
04-Nov-2017For all practical purposes Sana has the best credentials and should Win.My only concern is after Derby Win its Rating has gone up from 67 to 84 and as explained in the other post the Reference Horse for that race is Daffodil at 73 in Derby Race which itself has gone up from 56 to 73.This means there are 2 double promotions.Howver,it being a Derby Winner my choice is Sana failing which it will can be Noverro
Best of luck.
Jerry Willdo said ...
04-Nov-2017Other Potential Winners today are:
1-3, little wayward gelding, should win today as run with the Best Company.
2-2, vastly improved, has to win this today.
3-2, Will Win this for Tainers Double with Sana.
4-2, Should Win this as she won very well last time.
5-5, younger than 1 though worse on handicap, scope to improve. Should win.
7-11, Winner, disqualified for Drugs, should redeem himself or 2 will score.
8-1, should make Double for Trainer otherwise 2 a handicap import from Mumbai.
Best of Luck!!!
Starone said ...
04-Nov-2017Dev said ...
04-Nov-2017Zeddzzz. said ...
04-Nov-2017Reference To The Topic.
Sana Looks Like A Very V V CLEAR WINNER HERE. "BANK OF ENGLAND"
No Prize For Guessing Sana Az Winner.
Whatever The Odds, Can Bet Really Really Really BIG n HUGE.
2nd n 3rd Place:-
As Per Form Intersteller And Tweedle D Should Follow Herr.
Thanks n Take Care.
Mad Max said ...
04-Nov-2017A horse feels consistent pain because of spinous processes, i.e. the sections of bons attached to the vertebrae are too close together and that impinge on each other and due to this the horse feels consistent pain.
From the trot you cannot identify the problem, but the affected horse struggles to maintain a three-beat canter and frequently gets disunited. Surgery is done to rectify the problem, doctors use a far less invasive option, and that can be done under standing sedation.
Why I said above? Some people think SANA will go out of Kolkata for future classics. It is clear from my part. I dont fancy such (Kissing Spine affected, treated or cured) horses to win Indian Derby or Invitation Cup. I personally feel SANA is now ok and she will win today's races. Future prospects no one can predict.
@ Natural View
Dont be childish. You are nothing in front of me. I see this in politics, minor politicians start blame game against more famous ministers. That is the easy way to get name and fame. First understand I take the Highest Class race of the day for analysis. I have no choice if Sana or Castlebridge is running in that race.
Aravind said ...
04-Nov-2017Bobhotha said ...
04-Nov-2017Horse number 12 - Bullrun should place % according to my analysis and handicapping
Winner I will with in one hour.
Mad Max said ...
04-Nov-2017SANA-WIN (ONE HORSE RACE)
PLACE-CAPTAIN COOK
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Do we need any serious look into this race to pick the winner? I dont think so ! Before the Kolkata Derby SANA was never gone beyond a mile trip and the people have had the apprehension whether it can go the of 2000 mtrs? That is the reason Daffodil ran favourite in the Derby. Now she has won the Derby distance convincingly, some question whether she can come back and win a short distance within 30-35 days? No doubt SANA is a classic horse, thrown by YANA, after Zana, and Mathaiyus all with Multinational as the Sire. For me SANA is home and dry, only one question left out who will finish in PLACE MONEY? As SANA will run as HOT FAVOURITE (probably on-money), we have to find a Place getter for a value ebt.
(YANA won 8 races, Rs. 56,40,637 incl. Poonawalla Stud Farms and Breeders’Stayers’Cup, Gr.1, Byramjee Jeejeebhoy Eclipse Stakes of India, Gr.2, Johnnie Walker Gold Label Fillies’and Mares’Stakes, Gr.3, Idar Gold Trophy, Gr.3, Piaggio Fillies’and Mares’Stakes, Gr.3, Ape Truk Eve Champion Trophy, Gr.3; 2nd in C N Wadia Gold Cup, Gr.2)
For PLACE:
9-CAPTAIN COOK
Based on past performances with other horses in the fray, CAPTAIN COOK (Sire Admiralofthefleet) is well placed against Horse Nos. 1,2,4,5,10 and 12. It is recalled that in the Kolkata Derby Cold Frontier (Admiralofthefleet) was a late entry (Paid Fee Rs 6,75,000) finished 5th, I think thru Captain Cook, the sire may redeem some respect by annexing a place.
Alen D said ...
04-Nov-2017Good luck !!!!!
Neutral View said ...
04-Nov-2017Only 3 year old in field, classic winner, receiving weight all around. One who has very ordinary basic knowledge can pick a winner. If still no one understands then Its SANA. No surprise there.
Krisna said ...
04-Nov-2017Raj said ...
04-Nov-2017Though Sana can win it will loose to win later with good odds.
The katharnatk brothers will decide.
Avoid.
Stop Fooling Punter said ...
04-Nov-2017Jump of 17 points from 67 to 84 [still far below other runners]
Climb down from 2000 mtrs to 1400 mtrs is not easy.
First run in open class one.
Now the others are interstellar ,Tweedle dee[has been beaten by IS]Set aflame Drops OF JUPITER.CAPT. Cook ,and Noverro .too many of them.
I do not think the odds will be less than evens.Let her win not worth the bet in this ordinary race,
Worth watching this race only
Kesava said ...
04-Nov-2017SANA Good
Kesava
Chancepedance said ...
03-Nov-2017Dharmesh said ...
03-Nov-2017Jack P said ...
03-Nov-2017Bkd said ...
03-Nov-2017Have a GOOD Bet Should be at Evens or more.
Larry said ...
03-Nov-2017As regards the two horses mentioned here up to now, as regards Teeedle Dee, the former has beaten him in race 89, no doubt the weights favor TD, but for me, a winner is a winner, and I usually ignore one that has finished 2nd or 3rd. As regards Sana, no doubt, a Derby winner, but jumping down from 2000 to 1400, I don't prefer such statistics.
Varun said ...
03-Nov-2017Murali said ...
03-Nov-2017Ss said ...
03-Nov-2017Raj said ...
03-Nov-2017Everyone thinks SANA is a clear winner. Looks like MM has other horse in mind.Thats the reason he has opened this thread.
So take your time and find that " other" horse.
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Chris said ...
03-Nov-2017Svkraju said ...
03-Nov-2017When SANA crossing the winning post other horses should fight for the SHP. SANA can win by 4 LENGTHS.
All the best
Ayyarnet said ...
03-Nov-2017Friends:
In my opinion the race is between Sana and Tweedle Dee only. Reliable factor weighs more towards Dashrath than C.Alford. My final vote is for Sana
Best wishes to akk.
ayyarnet
G.r.hyd said ...
03-Nov-2017Horse No:3.TWEEDLE DEE WIN
G.R.Hyd
Nilban said ...
03-Nov-2017Skb said ...
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