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Hyd Race No 6. The Democracy Plate

By Dharmesh | 11-Nov-2017
THE DEMOCRACY PLATE

Class 3 handicap race for horses 3 years and upward.

If you ignore 4yo & over horses, three 3yo’s comes into reckoning in this Set.
#1 VALLEE SCEPTRE
#2 ASTERIA
#10 PALACE ON WHEELS

#1 VALLEE SCEPTRE has beaten #2 ASTERIA by 3.75 lengths in race no 205 2016-17. Also if u hold Ambitious Approach form line then former is placed better on scales against later. If you hold Fashion High as common horse then #10 PALACE ON WHEELS is far better against #2 ASTERIA. FH has defeated ASTERIA by 2.25 L conceding 1kg in race no 187 whereas FH has beaten POW by 3/4th L at level weights in race no 251 2016-17. Now ASTERIA is giving 3.5kg to POW hence POW should beat ASTERIA on handicap. So on handicap both VALLEE SCEPTRE and POW can defeat ASTERIA.
Now between VS & POW later has an edge as VALLEE SCEPTRE a 3yo filly is conceding 5kg to POW another 3yo filly.
Also POW is the only 3yo to compete in grade 3 race where she finished close 2nd and has matched strides with superior animals of her own age group.
In my view PALACE ON WHEELS who is getting weights from other 3yo’s and older rivals is well placed at the bottom of the scales and is the horse to be beaten here.

Regards
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Jerry Willdo said ...

13-Nov-2017
Thanks Sportyy, Svkraju and guys for the appreciation - I was only passing on my experience and knowledge of 47 years of Racing.
To the best of my knowledge, POW is a one-pace animal, lacks Acceleration and will not win any sprint races in near future. Maybe at mid distances when she runs with the Pace. I could be wrong but it appears so from her style of running.
Its a pity I could not post my Selection yesterday as I had many Winners - the last 3 were thumping.
Regards,

Rrajesh said ...

13-Nov-2017
sportty
i played palace and hedge it with valee...won a bit
when dharmesh gives it as a good bet i rarely go against it coz
8 out 10 times it usually comes
its racing...
shall wait for his next bet

Mad Max said ...

13-Nov-2017
@ Dharmesh
Dont upset with the races. Continue the thread that is important. Results will follow. Thanks again.

Mad Max said ...

13-Nov-2017
@ Indian Turf Record

In racing terms you may be correct. Sometime it happens when we are typing online messages mistakes creep in. There is no time to check grammar mistakes, construction of sentences, past tense, past participle, propositions, etc. For me the importance is participate in Horse Talk for which I find time in between office works.

At BTC and MyRC they have "Winter & Summer Races". Winter races are conducted from November to March. At HRC they conduct WINTER (November to March) and Monsoon (November to October). Five months Winter races are spread in two years. Race No. 205 in Winter 2016-17 and R.No. 205 in Monsoon 2017 should have been apt. Isn't it ? Corrected. Thank you.

Asteria ran in R.No.205 (in Winter 2016-2017)
For Taxation purpose: (F.Y: 2016-17) or (A.Y: 2017-18)

Asteria ran in R.No.205 (in Monsoon 2017)
For Taxation purpose: (F.Y: 2017-18) or (A.Y: 2018-19)

Thanks again Sir,

Sportyy said ...

12-Nov-2017
Admin -Publish this one & delete my earlier post

@ JerryWilldo
Great analysis on POW -Cheers buddy -
This weeks write up winner for me

@ STP / CRK /Ramiyer /Pradeep
Super choices guys -nice to see your favoured horse win

@Savio /Ramiyer
Good Lay call keep it up

@ Tiger /BKD
You guys had it in in your choices ,Bkd hope your jackpot passed

@ Dharmesh /
Good educative write up filtering the choices to 2


@Starone /Coltsnfillies /Bobotha
Almost there -your choice Composure just lost on the post -
Hope your guys played it each way & got consolation ..

@Rksh & Krisna
Your preffered choice came third - and place money was saved ...

@ Rrajesh
Timing wise as per your prediction POW was third choice behind VS & Asteria
so i hope you eat the fav @ 13/10 or played VS

@Kumar_blore
As per your write up -hope you eat Asteria in place


@ Dheeraj
When a horse wins everything falls in place but when a horse loses there can be any of the 50 standard reasons
You can take the benchmark of Jerry Willdo explaination in this thread as one of the reasons for its loss as technically ..

For me POW lost genuinely as in failed to get up coming back to sprint .

To all the guys who played POW
Take this loss with a pinch of salt and hope to recover it soon in its next run of 1100metres
Cheers to all
Sportyy

Pradeep said ...

12-Nov-2017
@ svkraju & Madam Golden Girl,
I think my post was ignored/overlooked by both of you.
Zara Ek Nazar idhar bhi.
I've even was strong on place of RD.
Gaironpe karam, apanonpe sitam, aye jaane wafa yeh zulm naa kar.
LOL!!!!

Dharmesh said ...

12-Nov-2017
I expected race between VS & POW but never thought POW will run such a bad race. I can only say vallee sceptre won well giving weights all around and if placed judiciously on promotion she will win again.

Regards

Golden Girl said ...

12-Nov-2017
@svkraju--It seems that you have missed what Ramiyer said about Palace On Wheels And his choice.

Dheeraj said ...

12-Nov-2017
Palace on wheels did not PLACE. Any explanations post race.

Indian_turf_record said ...

12-Nov-2017
@ Mad Max

Numbering of races has nothing to do with the financial year.

Crk said ...

12-Nov-2017

SVK Raju ,

Thanks.

Svkraju said ...

12-Nov-2017
@ Dear ones [ SFP, JERRY AND CRK ]


Congrats for spotting the winner. The other friends who chooses COMPOSURE are also deserved for an applaud.


Thank you all

Mad Max said ...

12-Nov-2017
When two horses of same age and sex competing in a race (Vallee Sceptre and Palace on Wheels) especially one is the top weighted and the other is the bottom weighted, elders say bottom weighted horse is better because top weighted horse cannot concede weight and win against same sex and same age horse. I like a bottom weighted 4 year old horse upset this race. If I had a chance to bet.. I will take a chance either on Symbol of Gold or Royal Dynamite. Most Probably Symbol of Gold !!

Savio said ...

12-Nov-2017


Palace on Wheel no chance to win today


Savio

Tiger said ...

12-Nov-2017


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Any decrease in the DISTANCE will benefit to both "VALLE SCEPTURE" As Well As "PALACE OF THE WHEELS" irrespective of any handicap weight. The one who stays this sharp distance will win the race.
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May the Best Horse win.
Good Luck.


TIGER"..............................................................................

Ramiyer said ...

12-Nov-2017
Valley scepture
Asteria.
Palace on wheels may drop his axil.False favourite.

Kumar_blore said ...

12-Nov-2017
This is a 1000mts race,so horse's with intial speed should be preferred.in my view composure, symbol of gold and palace on wheels have good intial speed and the winner should be among these 3 horses.palace on wheels is always up with the pace,being a youngster should easily win this race.for vallee sceptre distance might be little sharp,for me it might fly in the end to recover place money but win looks difficult and I don't fancy Asteria to place,so palace on wheels for me a clear winner.
Best wishes

Rksh said ...

12-Nov-2017
Hii all

Dharmesh may be correct.... But my betting would be for SHP and that too for ROYAL DYNAMITE.... Its goin fo spring surprise on the outside... but jusg to become runner up... So my choice RD SHP..

Regards

Krisna said ...

12-Nov-2017
ROYAL DYNAMITE.............a dynamite of a horse

Mad Max said ...

12-Nov-2017
@ Rajeev

R.205 during 2016-2017 (January 2017)
Mr. Dharmesh referring this race.
(Financial year April 1, 2016 to March 31, 2017)

R-205 during 2017-18 (October 2017)
Raheev, you are referring this race.
(Financial year April 1, 2017 to March 31, 2018)

Kk Lanka said ...

12-Nov-2017
It is all going to be PALACE ON WHEELS who can trounce this set.

The second spot is for ASTERIA. Third can be filled by either VALLEE SCEPTRE or ROYAL DYNAMITE.

All the best.

Bkd said ...

12-Nov-2017
Seemingly, the most puzzling race of the day!

Not easy to pinpoint the winner, as there are at least 4 serious contenders.

PALACE ON WHEELS, VALLEE SCEPTRE, ASTERIA & COMPOSURE. It could be anybody's race. Perhaps, the Palace has a slender advantage..but only just!

Not a betting race....in fat, I have covered all the four in my JP.

Crk said ...

12-Nov-2017

Pedigree wise, vallee,Sceptre is better than POW,the doubt is whether it can give 5kg. Hence,VS and POW may fight it out with a slight edge to VS.
I am a little wary of having a different view than Dharmesh,but the intent of this thread is served.
.

Ayyarnet said ...

12-Nov-2017

With advantage of weight being a younger Horse Palace on wheels will have an excellent chance to win.

Good luck to all

ayyarnet

Rrajesh said ...

12-Nov-2017
all the smart punters are tipping palace on wheels
it should run a good race

Pradeep said ...

12-Nov-2017
Dear All,
Of all the entries of SSF Hassan, Akshay Kumar is only on VS. VS should be the winner. My next best is Royal Dynamite( provided the apprentice gives a proper ride followed by ASTERIA. If RD fails then POW comes into the picture.

Starone said ...

12-Nov-2017
Its gonna be Composure...which will clinch the Title...

Jerry Willdo said ...

12-Nov-2017
To my mind, horses going from Sprints to Mid Distances and coming back to Sprints seldom win first up but can win on second or 3rd attempt provided they're trained accordingly - the training methods are totally different and POW work doesn't suggest that for her last good spurt was on 29/9. Thereafter, she's been prepped for Mid Distances and performed considerably last start.
So, I believe, the race is strictly between #1 who has run with better company, was boxed in last up and #2 whose Trainer has now switched to a Top Rider as he feels that the horse needs better handling after last win with App.
#3 is the Joker in the pack and can spring a surprise.
Timing matters, but seldom performs as a Yardstick in Racing otherwise, everyone can easily calculate winners!!!

Raj said ...

12-Nov-2017
Dharmesh is analysing a race after a very long time.He must be very confident about " palace on wheels "for some reason. Wish I could play a huge sum on it.
But being out of station and having decided to skip Hyd races will not be able to play. Good luck to those who want to play.
Each way bet will be 100% success.

Svkraju said ...

12-Nov-2017
@ Dear DHARMESH


Yes you spot on the winner. PALACE ON WHEELS from SYMBOL OF GOLD.


All the best

Rrajesh said ...

12-Nov-2017
dharmeshsir
this kind of post will be loved by all
does not matter if it loses or wins

timing wise according to me valee comes 1.01.32...asteria comes 1.0159 and palace comes 1.02.05....
i think i shall lay asteria

all the best sir
and thank you for the tips which are highly appreciated

Zeddzzz. said ...

12-Nov-2017
Gentlemen Good Morning.
Reference To The Subject.
I Support Dharnesh's Analysis 100 Percent With An Addition To It That The Race Iz Of 1000 Mtrs, That Suits The Style Of Running Of POW.
So For Me Also POW Shud Win Today.
One Of The Best Bet Of The Day.
All The Best.

Rajeev said ...

12-Nov-2017
Dharmesh,

VALLEE SCEPTRE & ASTERIA had not ran in race # 205 together. VS had ran in Jan & ASTERIA in Oct.

Stop Fooling Punter said ...

12-Nov-2017
See the last run of Vallee Spectre.Jockey gets into the rails and than complains,he had a wall of horses ,what else did he expect? so a yes is needed from the trainer for this horse to win.It was the fastest moving horse.

Asteria is better than POW and if V.S not tried should win

Coltsnfillies said ...

12-Nov-2017
6 RACE 3.COMPOSURE
8.SYMBOL OF GOLD
BOTH ARE FRONT RUNNERS HAVE A GOOD CHANCE HERE

Bobhotha said ...

11-Nov-2017

According to handicap horse number 3 composure has chance to beat all the three animals and should amend
Best of luck