dear Sun you work very hard but sadly manupilation overtakes it.

Take race 6 of MYS The winner last run good 12 lts behind.Koral had lost on objection to Flamboyance[today nowhere].The fav with Trevor was going 1.5 kg over wt Doomed.Is the so called trainer not aware of horses wt. carrying ability.

I other words made to run for making fool of racing public
One can see the hera peri in in 5B races but in higher class only happens here.

Sadly racing today is down the dumps and not the punter but owners trainers want to get quick rich.

My racing is confined to weekends as Stock market is giving me more money by same study method as racing.

@ Raj,
Your comment that measurement od Distances across centres is inconsistent I would like to say that when we do our Analysis of Race of a centre the error has no significance.In those cases where one horse from Bangalore participates at Mysore there can be error in judgement but over a period of Time one can study and apply suitable correction factors.Not only measurements but also Track Layout,gradient also do affect but one can keep records over a period of time apply corrections.
Thanks.

@ Mad Max,
My opinion is why we should first take into consideration 1L for estimating the affect of Weight on Timing and enter into the confusion of Time per Length.The length of horse varies from horse to horse and when we say 1L is 8 feet we are pre fixing a Parameter and trying to calculate the effect of weight on Time Clocked.My suggestion is we just divide Time Clocked by Horse Body Weight plus Handicap and since one Rating Point is 1/2Kg let us put all in the Rating Units.If we take Body Weight of actual weights the calculations get in consistent.So I take this as 451KG OR 902 at RWITC and 450 or 900 for other centres.So when we add Bottom Weight at respective centres we get 1000 as a round figure.Now on Division we get Time in 1/100 sec for each 1/2Kg OR 1Lb.This we also take into consideration the Times across distances,classes and Race days reflecting the changes in PNR readings.As a thumb rule what Tom Krish has said 1L is 3 Lbs for distances up to 1400Mtrs holds good.Using Excel we can do more rigorous calculation.
Your views please.

@M H Reddy,
You may be wondering what you asked foe has taken back seat OR totally forgotten and people started taking stands on what is better Stock Trading OR Racing.This happens many times on HT but don't get disheartened by this.
Your query was well answered by the veteran Tom Krish and I want to add my little bit.
It is a good idea to do calculations to short list the runners in a race before you apply other non quantifiable factors like intent of connections etc.
On variation in Timings clocked due to difference in Penetrometer Readings few people tried to quantify.Based on my study I can say
1 CM in PNR reading is equal to 1 Sec difference for a 1600 Mtr race.For various distances this 1 Sec is not constant.Always consider 1 Sec as 100 Units of Time ie 0.01 sec unit.So for 1 Cm change you can take
For 1000 Mtr race 60 Units OR 0.06
1100 70
1200 80
1400 90
1600 100
1800 110
2000 1200
2200 1350
2400 1500
At Kolkata take 1cm as 200 Units.
On Weight and Time equation what MR Tom Krish has given is a sort of thumb rule but with the help of computer you can do more rigorous calculation.Just take the Time Clocked by horse and divide by 900+Handicap and get a figure in 1/100 of sec and as given by Mr Tom take 1/5 sec equal to 20 Units of Time and you get the Weight which makes a difference of 1 Length.
Let us say Time Clocked is 1 Min which is 6000 and 900(450Kg) in 1/2KG or Rating point +Handicap 100(50Kg) in Rating points is 1000 you get a figure of 6 .So 20 divided by 6 is 3 plus which is 3 Rating points or 3 pounds aprrox same as given by Tom Krish.Like this you can do rigorous calculations but one should see Cost-Benefit.
So do short list based on Calculations and apply other factors.
Thanks.

@ Tom Krish

The races were timed to quarter second from 1875 to 1905, to 1/5 second from 1906 to 2000 and to 1/100 second since 2001.

In 1960: 5280f / 150s = 35.2f/s
8/35.2 = .2272727… seconds per horse length

In 1985: 5280f / 120s = 44 f/s
8/44 = .18181818… seconds per horse length

In 2017: 5280f / 110s = 48 f/s
8/48 = .166666 seconds per horse length

1 mile is 5280 ft, length of horse is 8 ft, so 5280 / 8 = 660 horse lengths around the track.

You can easily find this changes at any tracks. In India whether it is DRC, or RWITC or BTC, the time to traverse one length is 0.16 seconds. Malakpet Track is the one I am unable to explain, where horses clock 0.18 to 0.22 seconds per length.

@Trans

You post on this site and still try to demean the site and the intention of the moderator.

Your comment was published but you just cant wait for even 1 hour to see you comment on the site.

When your comment were not posted here, you went to other site and made derogatory remarks that this site is a bookie site and what not.

Please mind your thoughts. Language, i know, you cant mind.

Dear Ayyarnet,

The name of Harshad mehta has also brought a connection in my mind regarding shares trading and horse racing.


You will appreciate the fact that scam done by Ketan Parikh was much bigger than Harshad, but harshad mehta was always hyped.

Same is the case with horse racing, we run after the hyped horses and the results are for everyone to see.

Dear Ayarnet had replied to u with eg but then U guys r Bookies so as usual My Comment in closet ?????.lolz

@ayyarnet,
What Bhojwani says is correct. In stock market, if you put money after proper study like in racing, you are bound to make money in the long run. If you do not have patience and want to make quick money then racing is the best alternative. However, in racing you can also make money in the same speed as losing. But don't denigrate stock market in today's scenario. Ultimately there is a saying that in racing a fool and his money are parted soon which is not the case in stock market. I am not a stock broker nor a mindless punter to blow hard earned money. One should play in both and succeed in life. Stock market income is also tax free for patient people.

Dear Ayyarnet I beg to differ as In Stock u had a future Blue chip .Do u know that the Infosy Driver is a billionaire so too its employees for getting the stock as bonus so too those who had held on with blue chips of umpteen MNC (MRF/Colgate/Hindustan lever etal)which not only pays u regular dividends but also allot Bonus share ,or in case of Indian Co like Just take Yes Bank /Grasim/RIL or Shriram opening offer allotment and the price they r fetching now (Everyone who had invested just 10 Grand r Billionaire) .Can u give just One eg where the Punter had bcum Billionaire due to Racing ?????
So plz dont mislead Amateurs and Newcomer in Racing for ur Selfish thrill in case u may b a Bookie and using free blogs to publicise wrong facts . Take the Truth with a pinch of Salt as Transparency can have a healthy debate on any subject .

Some here are still living 30 yrs back.

Gone are those days of H Mehta.there are FIIS FI'S and LIC who dictate terms..

BUY NBCC and NLC [both govt companies]for a 30 %return in 3 months

Today handicapping is gone in most of races and race fixing among trainers is the mantra.

Go for a backed down horse since money comes on him

Rajesh Bhojwani Sir :

Forgot Harshad Mehtha so soon !
still you recommend stock trading !
When mobile phone was not there in India I know a stock broker who installed Land Line Phone in his toilet also !! I am not joking it is a fact. He tried his best to drag me in Shares trading. Somehow I did not like that field . In Racing we have en element of guess and joy of winning and witnessing our Horses winning the Race. In Racing if you win you get your cash in few minutes.

In Racing if you lose money you can recover soon your loss but stocks if you lose and your money gone with the wind only !!


Regards
ayyarnet

@ Reddy
Pl realise that the distances measured @ no 2 centers are same.
For example the distances @ Mysore are awfully short of 20 to 40 mts.
So all that wts,timing goes to dogs at some other center.

Mr.Tom Krish Sir :

Pleasant surprise to see your posting. Thanks for enlightening us.
Al; though due to current situation in Indian Racing we do not bother much on these technical points But knowledge is knowledge. As a Race goer one should know all these points.

Thanks and Regards

ayyarnet

@Rajesh
Show me one common man who has made money in stocks in the last 15 years.
I will quit racing.
Making money in stocks is history.Just like racing u make little here loose heavily in other.
Gone are those days when RS10 stock reached RS 300. But even today RS 100 JP can fetch u lakh or more.
Why create pseudo hopes? Both are LOOSERS in long run.
I have friends who have lost lakhs and lakhs in stocks and I have made and lost laks in racing. So stocks equate to racing.

MR REDDY,

TO FOLLOW THE HANDICAPPER'S IMPRESSION. TIME IS DECEPTIVE.

Mr Reddy,
Your first question cannot be answered. Your handicapping acumen, discerning skills and experience should help. This is a subjective area.
The second question... Upto seven furlongs, one length is three pounds. From a mile to 12 furlongs, one length is two pounds. Twelve furlongs and more, one length is one pound.
Example, A beats B by a length at level weights in a six-furlong race. Next time over a similar trip, A will carry three pounds more. Technically, there ought to be a dead heat.
A length is one fifth of a second. One second is five lengths.
These are, please be aware, theoretical guidelines. They are useful but handicapping is a minefield and you'll get better with experience. Let me remind you that the 'learning process' never ends.

Study stocks so you can become a millionaire or billionaire. There is nothing such as study in racing. In racing expect the unexpected that is the golden rule. Please do not waste your time studying horses, Not one punter has made it rich studying horses. And nobody has come forth to prove such claims. Be wise please.