Today’s 2000 Guineas win of Castlebride was not impressive at all. In the final stages it looked as if Rochester or Perfect Star might cause a shocking upset. I now feel that the 2400mts Derby distance is not suitable for Him especially with his front running style.
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Professor said ...
21-Dec-2017
Before any Indian Derby all contenders look like non stayers upto 2400..
Come D day all equations bit the dust..
if the horses do not stay the distance as tested during the morning work they will not be entered ,,Of course barring the pace makers from big race owners..
Hunter said ...
19-Dec-2017
@ Jimmy Karanjia,
Please do not dismiss the run of Windsor Forest in the 1000 Guineas as a flash in the pan. Please see carefully videos of her previous races. You will find that the horse's potential was visible and given a fair start, distance of 1600+ metres and a clear run, the horse would shine. Which it did on last Saturday. Here's a summary of her 3 outstation runs (I am ignoring her run in Kolkata).
Golconda Juvenile Million, Hyderabad: finished 2nd, distance 1400M, winner LIL: Came flying towards the finish but found the distance a tad short.
Kingfisher Ultra Derby, Bangalore: finished 7th, distance 2000M, winner Manifold: Slow start from outside draw, lost her chances at the gates.
Fillies Trial Stakes, Bangalore: finished 3rd, distance 1600M, winner Manifold: Took a slow start, made lots of ground, was unlucky to receive a bad check in the straight when she was making her charge.
Watch WF go in the Oaks.
Hunt happily....
Azim said ...
19-Dec-2017
I agree with Mr Jimmy here lady will win many classics no hope for WF ..Manifold chances are 50-50 ...prevalent force will sweep the field ...Sanaa is no threat for any one in Mumbai classics ..CASTLEbridge
Is good for a mile above 1600mtrs he is doubtful in classic company... RUFFINA
Is 1400m material.. Jimmy is right rwitc contenders are no hope in coming classics in Mumbai ..
Thank's...
@ madmax
In ur case sometime over knowledge and over confidence harms a person too much ....in ur case happening the same..last time I saw ur daredevil effort on IN MY DREAMS in PTR contest this time PUGNACIOUS Done the same ...Racing authorities dictate the punters ...punters can not dictate racing ...sometime u r always right as ur handicapping method is extraordinary the best I have come across in my racing career ...but in racing u can not dictate terms to anyone dear...
Azim ...
Vishal said ...
19-Dec-2017
What I don't understand is why so many of you here including Mad Max can't accept a champion when you see him / her.
Lady has done everything right. No proof to suggest that she won't stay..
Her running style suggests she will stay beautifully. Only issue I see is if she peaks too soon being a filly.
Either you guys are ignorant or just plain bored.
Cheers
Vishal
Prasad Vizag said ...
19-Dec-2017
i feel Castle Bridge is the only horse to start and finish THE INDIAN DERBY
Stop Fooling Punter said ...
19-Dec-2017
What has shocked me is that the two top Trainers Pessi and Malesh so far have not shown any horse really worthy of debate.No one is talking about them
Best of horses most expensive trainer charges ,top owners[no questions asked].
So what has gone wrong and where? No one goes by old results but current form
Both have t to go CAL and Chennai to win,
Nothing lasts for ever Racing is one place for it.
Chancepedance said ...
18-Dec-2017
Don't discount Manifold and Zenon yet. Indian Derby distance is ideal for them. Prevalent force is the only one who can challenge them. How in the world are people expecting Lady in lace to be a frontline contender in Indian Derby? Really baffles me. No way can it stay 2400m in a classic company.
Jayakumar said ...
18-Dec-2017
Now Lady in Lace will beat Prevelant force any time including castle bridge,Lady in lace will win the Indian derby if not there will be a big upset but not Prevelant force or Castle bridge
Golden Girl said ...
18-Dec-2017
The picture for the Indian Derby is quite clear now.Prevalent Force is the horse to beat in The Derby.All others will fight for the minor places. Lady In Lace,Windsor Forest and Menifold should fight it out.Castle Bridge will finish behind these.
Stop Fooling Punter said ...
18-Dec-2017
Jimmy ji It is worthless arguing with Mr know all .
He gave L.I.L THE BEST LAY OF THE WHOLE SEASON.
That it self speaks volumes of his racing knowledge
Raju said ...
18-Dec-2017
Indian oaks should be between Manifold and Sana. LIL is ok upto 2000. WF and PStar goes back to sprinting as it can’t stay more than 1600. Pforce is the Derby horse favorite. Castle just won’t stay as per his run. Zenon the stayer is the dark horse in the PShroff stable. All the others are substandard or sprinters. WF goes for the scjain along with Ruffina.
Mad Max said ...
18-Dec-2017
@ Jimmy Karanjia
Do remember me your BIG WRITING about Be Safe in Indiarace, Prior to the Invitation, and also thereafter BS's run in Bangalore and Chennai. I am keeping almost all writers comments on important classics on my PC, should I forward it. I will be here, you will be here, let us face to face on the D-Days ahead!
Lady in Style win in style... which actress/model's style ...can you predict... Katrina Kaif ??
The whole world said Windsor Forest should have won, but the interference ! Have I said anything more than that about WF's future, she will win future classics etc etc? What happened to WF on 16th everyone seen. If you cannot believe your naked eyes. I cant help it. I dont consider you a big writer or tipster THAN Mr. MAHENDER MALLYA who had already published his post race comments in Indiarace.... so read below...
......"Windsor Forest arrived with a blinding run and was a tad unlucky not to have created a flutter, falling short by a narrow margin to collar Lady in lace. She also had a misfortune when she got caught up between Lady In Lace and Manifold inside the final furlong and received a slight check at a very crucial juncture. The story may have been different had Windsor Forest got a clear run !.
Jimmy Karanjia said ...
18-Dec-2017
Mr. Mad Max,
It is easy to pass comments as to who will and wont be sighted in the Indian Classics?
if your knowledge of racing is so superior can you please predict who will be sighted in the Indian classics. Please take up a challenge with me. I predict Lady in Lace will win the OAKS in style. She will stay and beat Windsor Forest(who btw had a flash in the pan run in the 1000 guineas) and Manifold. She will run a great Derby, however the big race has lot of dependencies like pace, crowded fields horse nervousness and temperament on the big day etc. but she will be right there.
Castle Bridge will run a bold Ruia Race and it will be strictly between him and Prevalent Force.
All the classics will be swept by the Hyderabad and Kolkata challengers this time(Castlebridge, not Sana). Western India horses will not be sighted in the classics. That is my statement and wait and watch.
Cheers,
Jimmy Karanjia
Mad Max said ...
18-Dec-2017
@ Hi
Castle Bridge wont be sighted in any Indian (Mumbai) Classics. Any day Castle Bridge will beat Lady In Lace over a mile trip on equal terms (with Gender allowance). Castle ridge and Lady In Lace both are not stayers. Time will prove it.
Starone said ...
18-Dec-2017
At this juncture please watch the 2000g run and observe Caprisca travels very wide outside especially after the bend and S John has whipped him only thrice, rest he is moving his hands. 2400 meters to cover 7 & 3/4 length may not be a problem. The surprise element would be CAPRISCA.
Starone said ...
18-Dec-2017
You have not watched the race properly and understood properly.. the timing to 1.35.... is clocked Castlebridge unextended till 1600 meters, whereas the entire field starts charging, whipping frantically to catch as soon as they turn the corner into the straight..i.e, at 550 meters. 150 m before Castlebridge is stirred, He is as per the pace set by him. So guys, 2400 m distance may be question mark but 2000g run is not unimpressive
Dreams said ...
18-Dec-2017
Guys ,
The pace was set by castilbridge itself was different yesterday . No one will run in this pace in a 2400 meter derby race except the pace setters . The first three in the 2000G timed better than the 1000G filly’s . Yep 2400 derby trip will be different ball game . But still i feel it will be 1 and 2 position for Castlebridge and LIL.
Castlebridge has a potential to hold a good lead till 2000 meters . LIL has to come from behind and I feel the extra 400 meter decide the race . Even LIL will finish her reserve in 2000 meter . I am sure the front running trick and a good lead from others will be enough for Castlebridge to finish the race . You can ignore rest of the donkeys in the set including SANA , pforce etc ..
Prinit said ...
18-Dec-2017
No wonder it's not been entered in the derby! The connections know better...
Stop Fooling Punter said ...
18-Dec-2017
Very true whipped 4 times to win .Max distance 1600 mtrs
What is shocking is pessis performance. 11 runners and only one 3rd that too on a big day.
His win percentage drops sharply which has never happened ever before
Syed's One said ...
18-Dec-2017
You don't have any rights to judge a Horse With it's one un impressive performance
Transparency said ...
18-Dec-2017
Derby Race Wide open with many Contenders already given and latest addition is Perfect Star.
Hunter said ...
17-Dec-2017
I agree. Castlebridge is not anymore the overwhelming favourite to win the Indian Derby. The frontline contenders are Prevalant Force, Windsor Forest and Perfect Star....
Hunt happily....
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