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Decoding Judg'es Order

By Gopal Rao | 18-Dec-2017
Many in this forumn who are supporting BTC are rejoicing that racing could resume soon. Fact of the matter is it all depends on the Government's response in the next 10 day's. We have to note that the Honbl'e judge has clearly said he is not authorised to ask government to issue license as it does not come under his jurisdictation and has only requested the government to form a committee in the next 10 days to look in the racing matters and issue license. So people supporting BTC that they have won is wrong. Government tries all tactics to argue even going on to say BTC applied in the wrong format. If that was the case government could have just told BTC it is wrong and apply again. Also judge at no pint of time asked the government why they were not giving license. Point to note is that more than 4 cases were filed by different associations in this regard and BTC was not alone.

Today we can only hope and pray that government does not ask for the moon when the committee is formed and give some impossible demands to BTC as BTC can always disagree and go to the higher court.

At the moment hope BTC management meet the government officals, talk it out and racing resume in the next 15 days.
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Mad Max said ...

22-Dec-2017
@ Johnson
Read latest report in following thread:
horsetalk.indiarace.com/HTalkPostReply.aspx?msgid=1052320

Johnson said ...

22-Dec-2017
Just applying for license in the new format does not guarantee license. Hope you understood the Judge's order. Committee has to be formed, BTC have to agree then racing resumes. Dont't talkout of the hat as though you visit BTC everyday and know what's happening.

Mad Max said ...

21-Dec-2017
@ Khan
Set aside the rumours. BTC has already applied for the License as per the SPECIFIED "NEW" FORMAT. They are hopeful of starting operation this month itself.

Khan said ...

20-Dec-2017
Heard from sources that BTC mandarins haven't been able to get an audience with the Finance Secretary till now. It is heard that there is no meeting is possible until December 26. Under the circumstances, there is no possibility of racing resuming on the tentative date of December 29. Racing enthusiasts may have to wait for more time for their favourite sport to begin Bangalore thanks to the members who have no interest in the sport and no stake as well. The government should at least impose cover charges on members who don't own horses so that only interested people will take membership.

Stop Fooling Punter said ...

20-Dec-2017
Finally you have shown your true colours.

The last line is simply disgusting. You were ticked by few on your earlier comments like this

THAN A 5B will remain 5B.

Mad Max said ...

19-Dec-2017
@ SFP
You should address your to Mad Max, why you throws balloons without hydrogen? Argue with me face to face. You are being exposed time and again of your ignorance on Court matters. Shame on you people like blame BTC delaying SLP in Supreme Court...? What a tamasha this... dont you know Civil matters take its time - SLP will be heard like any civil matter when the merits of the case would be argued by either side. The case will come up before the SC in due course. Going by the length of the queue of civil suits, this may take a few years at least? I am sure, the BTC will come out victorious no doubt about it? Without giving alternate FREE land, compensation to make a race course, and sufficient time to relocate the Government cannot oust the the Club from present location. In India all High Courts are facing the wrath of Supreme Court, and on appeals, SC is overturning High Court orders regularly, this is a scenario very alarming how lower courts works.

If you are blaming 78 rpm records, you are blaming your ancestors, your root itself !

Stop Fooling Punter said ...

19-Dec-2017
Hi guys how many of you remember the old 78 RPM records on the gramophone, if not switched off just kept on and on.

Any resemblance to any one is pure coincidental.

Regards.

PS BTC has been delaying the special leave petition in the supreme Court, if their case was that strong why not hurry and get it what you are asking[How many years I have lost count may be 7to 09 yrs.]

Mad Max said ...

19-Dec-2017
@ Gopal Rao
BTC Chairman Harimohan Naidu told UNI on 15th Dec that he would comment on
the court order only after reading the 'fine prints'. He however said the Club was ready to conduct races at a short notice. The racing track was kept in 'ready to race' condition and races can be conducted within a notice of 10 days. (Courtesy)
www.uniindia.com/hc-directs-govt-to-issue-licence-for-horse-racing-at-btc/states/news/1077569.html#TDml9Umk1MCZqBRi.99

After reading the full order Harimohan Naid told to Bangalore Mirror:

“It is a good order. To gain licence and start racing was our priority and the court order has brought the sport back on track.”

It was a big relief to the racing professionals who were under pressure to shift base after the government held back the licence on September 1.

“With no activities for more than 100 days, it was tough. Now that the decks are cleared, we can breathe easy,” said a leading trainer while disclosing that he was under immense pressure and was exploring options to shift base.

BTC steward Uday Eshwaran, while admitting that the government still called the shots, said, “Well, in the interest of the sport, hopefully, the government will honour the interim order.”
(Courtesy):
bangaloremirror.indiatimes.com/bangalore/others/resume-racing-at-bangalore-turf-club-in-10-days-karnataka-high-court/articleshow/62089409.cms?

@ Christopher

Do you know the High Court had ordered issue of notice to the State Government on the petitions filed by BTC alleging that the government is not renewing its licence for EXTRANEOUS CONSIDERATIONS. That the Government had insisted on admission of 50 nominees as Club Members as a condition for granting of License under the Mysore Race Courses Licensing Act 1952, the BTC had contended that the action of the Government in seeking such admission is contrary to its Articles of Association and also in violation of Articles 19(1)(a) and 19(1)(g) of the Constitution of India.

Do you know the Hon'ble High Court did not accept the government’s claim that the BTC had not filed application in the proper format, and pointed out that such a claim was not appropriate when the government, over a period of time, granted license on similar applications. Therefore the application, already filed by the BTC, would require consideration one way or the other in accordance with the law !

(Courtesy):
www.thehindu.com/news/cities/bangalore/government-gets-10-days-to-decide-on-granting-licence-to-bangalore-turf-club/article21744419.ece

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WHY YOU PEOPLE ARE STILL STRUCK ON A SINGLE WORD "CONSIDER" THE HC USED IN THEIR ORDER...WHEN THE JUDGE USED 1232 WORDS TO WRITE HIS FULL ORDER. WHY THE JUDGE DID NOT SEND A ONE LINER TO THE GOVERMENT - LIKE "...REQUEST GOVERNMENT PLEASE CONSIDER ISSUING LICENSE TO BTC ?" Do you think the Judge wasted his time and energy in writing such a long order, and it has no meaning?

@ Others

Do you know, the BTC claims that the land was allotted by the Maharaja of the erstwhile Mysore State for racing, the government had converted it into a lease of 30 years in 1983. The government terminated the lease and asked the BTC to vacate in 2009. The decision was upheld by the High Court but BTC challenged in the Supreme Court...? Originally BTC land was a grant and not a lease. The claims of BTC being a grantee are refuted by the government as a lease agreement was also executed.

Mr. Harimohan Naidu, Chairman, BTC told The Hindu immediately after the Supreme Court admitted their SLP, “We will continue racing on the land as the status quo will remain till the Supreme Court disposes the civil dispute. We will not take up any construction on the site.”

(Courtesy)
www.thehindu.com/news/cities/bangalore/bangalore-turf-club-government-lock-horns/article6775701.ece

@ Ahit Kumari
The third one is just for you.

Dr.bashaar said ...

19-Dec-2017
Madmax,
I personally feel that you have crossed limits of decency- you dont have any right to comment in a site like this - how many balls anyone has!! - Is this site meant for that ? Certainly not. You are a gentleman having sufficient racing knowledge ( Time and again you have proved )- at times a bit arrogant ( well - as long as your assessment is going right..all of us will surely accept this arrogance as it is coming out from an overconfident person ). See you have good number of followers who would be eagerly waiting for your tips.You have been successful in building up a good image of yourself in this site. ( I am one of your strong followers).
My personal request to you- please apologize for your behavior ( Misbehavior ) and keep up your good image in this site ( like DharmeshJi etc etc ) In this world arrogance is something which is the cause of downfall of so many---My humble request- Rest is upto you.
@all who are participating in this site
Admin has already requested all participants in this site to be as polite as possible without being rude to anyone.Let us make this site useful for everyone with sharing of the knowledge which will help each other.There is no sure winning formula in horse racing. Tips/ selections can go wrong at times. No body's tips can be 100% correct. Even if anyone wants to show their unhappiness on an unsuccessful tip advised by someone- my request- please be as polite as possible.
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Stop Fooling Punter said ...

19-Dec-2017
Guys Guys [one with two----]as per M.M.

We all want racing at BNG.Now if and when is not in our hands.

Certainly will not be 26 dec but any where between 30 Dec to 2 Jan hopefully

Rohit Kumar said ...

19-Dec-2017

Mad Max please inform when were we don't want why. Do you always disagree with everyone. What you have against racing jouranlists and many times you say other site. What knowledge you have on racing. Half the time you quit and come back. I guess you have three balls unlike others. If can be rude so can others.

@ Rohit Kumar
Chairman of BTC has already given interview to the Media, and the leading newspapers ALSO already published it.

Christopher said ...

19-Dec-2017
Racing is unlikely to start anytime in the near future until and unless the BTC members make a sudden u-turn and agree with the government's proposal (which is highly unlikely). The government has only been requested to "consider" granting a license to BTC!!! So as previously posted, well done to the legal team @BTC for extremely poor advice and to each and every BTC member who agreed with the same and voted in favour of legal action rather than seeking to negotiate an amicable agreement/settlement with government which would have undoubtedly been the best option for all concerned (apart from the BTC members themselves). Conflict of interest anyone ???

Gopal Rao said ...

19-Dec-2017
Mad Max please inform in which publication has Chairman given interview after judge's order.

Kumar_blore said ...

18-Dec-2017
Races to start from 29 Dec is what I heard,no Colts and fillies stakes only derby is what has been proposed...... hopefully starts soon....

Mad Max said ...

18-Dec-2017
@ Gopal Rao
Dont read the Order published by Professional Racing Journalists in their article, they have added few points to suit their requirements. Indiarace.com has published the Court Order in to-to please read it. Court has given 10 days time to the Government to form a committee with the consultation of the BTC and issue license to BTC... yes it is 10 days from the date of order, precisely the time frame allowed is ending on 25th December. Horse racing is coming under the authority of the State Governments and hence they are the Competent Authority... not the Court, Court can only order to implement. During the arguments the Advocate General said the Government was ready to issue license had BTC applied on specified format. So wait and watch. One more thing this is only an interim relief, the hearing will continue and the Court will dispose off the case at a later stage with a final order. So till then there are no winners.

@ SFP
Who said there is only one ball ? A GOVERNMENT is a group of people with the authority to govern a country or state; so there are so many balls. Even you have two too.

@ Rohit Kumar
Chairman of BTC has already given interview to the Media, and the leading newspapers ALSO already published it. Secondly, what is the need of telling Club's internal matters to the GENERAL public or RACING public. Employees of the Club are aware of what is going on inside, so is their members, owners, trainers, jockeys and other workers. As far as racing public is concerned they are no stake holders of the Club, their job is IF THE GATES OPEN AND BETTING IS ALLOWED go inside with bulging purses and return home with empty pockets. That is what happening for Adam's days.

Stop Fooling Punter said ...

18-Dec-2017
The ball is in the court of the govt.

Gujarat results may jolt them now

Aravind said ...

18-Dec-2017
Fact s govt s sending 10 member list to BTCwho will oversee racing with existing members.probable BTC will also accept list Racing could be start latest by next Monday or Tuesday.this s what I got frm some source.dont know how authentic s this.anyway let us hope racing on next Tuesday.

Rohit Kumar said ...

18-Dec-2017
Chairman of BTC has not come out and given any interview till now after court's order. How shocking. He is incharge of club and it his duty to tell public and the club's employees what is expected and when.