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By Noble Eagle | 01-Feb-2018
indian derby this week Iis stricly confined 2 five serious contendes.here is my choice with probable odds.
1) prevalent force likely odds 1.5, here is a horce who has done nothing wrong last few runs.only worrying factor is runs well when not pressed but put under pressure somewhat runs erratic if asked to chase horses with a good lead last furlong will making bite the dust.
(2) lady in lace at 3.5, comes into serious reckoning after a smashing mock race where in a absolutely true run race showed a treme
ndous performance clocking a good timing with plenty in the saddle.courageous filly would fight every inch, point to be noted never in my experience saw a derby contender running more than ten runs before the derby speaks highly about her.
(3) manifold at 7to1.comes back into reckoning after her smashing oaks p oaks erformance where at on stage near 400 metres was looking in troubled waters but came with a florish showing no problem with her stamina.
(4)aggregated at 10to1.won kolkatta derby with something in the saddle, still not gaining confidence.
(5) sana at 12 to one. filly commands some respect discounting worst ride by dashrath singh in kolkatta derby. one dark horse rochester at 20to1 is worth taking a chance at longer odds. zenon is considerd highly by pundits
1) prevalent force likely odds 1.5, here is a horce who has done nothing wrong last few runs.only worrying factor is runs well when not pressed but put under pressure somewhat runs erratic if asked to chase horses with a good lead last furlong will making bite the dust.
(2) lady in lace at 3.5, comes into serious reckoning after a smashing mock race where in a absolutely true run race showed a treme
ndous performance clocking a good timing with plenty in the saddle.courageous filly would fight every inch, point to be noted never in my experience saw a derby contender running more than ten runs before the derby speaks highly about her.
(3) manifold at 7to1.comes back into reckoning after her smashing oaks p oaks erformance where at on stage near 400 metres was looking in troubled waters but came with a florish showing no problem with her stamina.
(4)aggregated at 10to1.won kolkatta derby with something in the saddle, still not gaining confidence.
(5) sana at 12 to one. filly commands some respect discounting worst ride by dashrath singh in kolkatta derby. one dark horse rochester at 20to1 is worth taking a chance at longer odds. zenon is considerd highly by pundits
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Transparency said ...
08-Feb-2018
C the ill fate of Sana when Manish chose it . Yeah Many real Punters from RWITC went back with Smiles and Cheers due to Smasher Brainstorm Lincoln and those who believed in the Stars were enjoying at Indiana for a Gallant Night rather than b a bridesmaid ( Gallant Knight waiting for the Lady in lace )
Dear Mad Max now open the closet and check my Season Certainty lay .lolz as adding just Conqueror of CastleBridge and Much propogated Mentor doosra would have given a Straight exacta for Bangolerean .Ab toh kaho "Akkal badi ki Bhais ".lolz
Dear Mad Max now open the closet and check my Season Certainty lay .lolz as adding just Conqueror of CastleBridge and Much propogated Mentor doosra would have given a Straight exacta for Bangolerean .Ab toh kaho "Akkal badi ki Bhais ".lolz
Manish said ...
05-Feb-2018
Raj,
Ofcourse now you are also imagining.
the bets passed are huge and bet lost are minimal. This style is going on this site since ages and you are no exception.
But reality here is known to eveyone.
I am writing this after reading your post and all other are not replying but just laughing at people like you, the so called sheikhchillis.
Keep on the work. Your posts makes punters to laugh in horse racing.
Everyone understands the importance of joker in a deck of cards.
Ofcourse now you are also imagining.
the bets passed are huge and bet lost are minimal. This style is going on this site since ages and you are no exception.
But reality here is known to eveyone.
I am writing this after reading your post and all other are not replying but just laughing at people like you, the so called sheikhchillis.
Keep on the work. Your posts makes punters to laugh in horse racing.
Everyone understands the importance of joker in a deck of cards.
Jimmy Karanjia said ...
05-Feb-2018
Raj
It is because of people like you that this sport is not what it used to be these days. Because of your comments and senseless arguments. My filly ran a brave race and beat your filly, who was gasping for breath or what not? After not running over 49 days and recovering from a lung infection she finished a tame second ahead of the highly spoken about Manifold and Prevalent Force. No excused or hard luck stories here, The winner deserved to win and outraced them all on the day which mattered most. But where do punters like you who only think thru your pockets acknowledge this? Dont worry, I dont have any book makers number nor do any of them have mine. I play my bets in cash only and settle on the spot, unlike the thousands like you who settle on credit. I dont do that. For you, its all about the money, for me I dont survive on Horse racing, it is a sport I enjoy and love, dont come here to make money out of it.
I am not saying anything for now, I just dint like the way Suraj positioned the filly in 5th position when she is used to coming from a last/second last position always. Thats the way she runs, even in a short straight like Pune she came from a last position just before the bend. If he had positioned her second last and cruised on the outside, she may have run closer, maybe won. I dont know. She may not have stayed, I dont know, and finished close second. All I can see is she was ridden differently and the result is for all to see. Again, before people comment, these are not excuses, the Lady was beaten fair and square by a horse who was improving with every run and rose to the occasion when it mattered most. Congratulations to Rochester!
Next Target, Invitation Cup, my filly will rise to the occasion and run a bold race, if ridden to her liking and how she normally runs.
Cheers,
Jimmy
It is because of people like you that this sport is not what it used to be these days. Because of your comments and senseless arguments. My filly ran a brave race and beat your filly, who was gasping for breath or what not? After not running over 49 days and recovering from a lung infection she finished a tame second ahead of the highly spoken about Manifold and Prevalent Force. No excused or hard luck stories here, The winner deserved to win and outraced them all on the day which mattered most. But where do punters like you who only think thru your pockets acknowledge this? Dont worry, I dont have any book makers number nor do any of them have mine. I play my bets in cash only and settle on the spot, unlike the thousands like you who settle on credit. I dont do that. For you, its all about the money, for me I dont survive on Horse racing, it is a sport I enjoy and love, dont come here to make money out of it.
I am not saying anything for now, I just dint like the way Suraj positioned the filly in 5th position when she is used to coming from a last/second last position always. Thats the way she runs, even in a short straight like Pune she came from a last position just before the bend. If he had positioned her second last and cruised on the outside, she may have run closer, maybe won. I dont know. She may not have stayed, I dont know, and finished close second. All I can see is she was ridden differently and the result is for all to see. Again, before people comment, these are not excuses, the Lady was beaten fair and square by a horse who was improving with every run and rose to the occasion when it mattered most. Congratulations to Rochester!
Next Target, Invitation Cup, my filly will rise to the occasion and run a bold race, if ridden to her liking and how she normally runs.
Cheers,
Jimmy
Raj said ...
04-Feb-2018
@ Jimmy
As I told you a horse( LIL )from C grade center can't win Mumbai derby has been proved right.
Even your second choice PR bit the dust.
Hope you are not receiving calls from bookies.
Just see my derby day selections in that thread.My only 3 bets Smasher 65/100 and Lincon 2.5/10 which I said 100% shots gave me huge shot and my bookie is pleading for more time.
All I lost was 1 peti a fancy bet on Manifold.
Racing kids are many on HT.Grow up along with #ACE tipster# MM And another kid Manish.
@ Manish how much I made today is beyond your imagination.Keep imagining!!!!
Surely I did bet inside ring or got money inside ring!!!!
As I told you a horse( LIL )from C grade center can't win Mumbai derby has been proved right.
Even your second choice PR bit the dust.
Hope you are not receiving calls from bookies.
Just see my derby day selections in that thread.My only 3 bets Smasher 65/100 and Lincon 2.5/10 which I said 100% shots gave me huge shot and my bookie is pleading for more time.
All I lost was 1 peti a fancy bet on Manifold.
Racing kids are many on HT.Grow up along with #ACE tipster# MM And another kid Manish.
@ Manish how much I made today is beyond your imagination.Keep imagining!!!!
Surely I did bet inside ring or got money inside ring!!!!
Sandy said ...
04-Feb-2018
Congratulations to Mr Vikek jain, Times of India, Cyrus Naterwalla, Major Srinivas Nargolkar, Some Etc.. Etc.. Big Shots..
For Successfully Diverting the Punters Mind to Pour Money on to Lady in Lace, Prevalent Force and Making win one more Horse which is Owner's Double Entry, which equally Didnt Travel 2400 Meters, with Not Famous Jockey..
For Successfully Diverting the Punters Mind to Pour Money on to Lady in Lace, Prevalent Force and Making win one more Horse which is Owner's Double Entry, which equally Didnt Travel 2400 Meters, with Not Famous Jockey..
Sandy said ...
04-Feb-2018
People Always Talk About the strategy, Rating, Timings, Pedigree, Horse Condition, track Condition, Jockey Factor etc etc..
Today India Derby Proved all Wrong.
Its All About Connections and How to Get Punters Money...
Mistry's Hats off to you for your Incredible Doosra...
If this is Horse Racing Works.. No Need to look for all the above mentioned Conditions. Just Looks at the Owners, No of Horses Entered and Play the one at Longer Odds...
Today India Derby Proved all Wrong.
Its All About Connections and How to Get Punters Money...
Mistry's Hats off to you for your Incredible Doosra...
If this is Horse Racing Works.. No Need to look for all the above mentioned Conditions. Just Looks at the Owners, No of Horses Entered and Play the one at Longer Odds...
Srinivas said ...
03-Feb-2018
manifold
Svkraju said ...
03-Feb-2018
@ MAD MAX and MANISH
BE COOL. This PETI or PITTY guy saying my count down start. Still i can say one thing LET HIM LIVE ON HIS OWN DREAMS like a frog in the well. All the best to him.
BE COOL. This PETI or PITTY guy saying my count down start. Still i can say one thing LET HIM LIVE ON HIS OWN DREAMS like a frog in the well. All the best to him.
Andy said ...
03-Feb-2018
AGGREGATED ALL THE WAY
Munesh said ...
03-Feb-2018
Regarding tote playing. long time back I was in Lawly Institute. OOTY.In this club, card games are played with huge stakes.Side by side some very rich industrialists from Coimbatore are playing for small stakes.I enquired why these tycoons are playing for peanuts when they can afford the very high stakes. The reply I got ' they need not earn money from gambling. they just want to pass the time.
Mad Max said ...
03-Feb-2018
@ Manish
Everyone knows at BTC there are no legal bookmakers.
90 to 95% Bangalore punters are legitimate tote players.
If any beggar using the services of Private Bookies they are doing illegitimate business to evade the tax. They are not patriotic people. We should aid the law enforcing departments to account them. How dare this man is insulting the majority punters of BTC..? I want to meet him as fast as possible.
Everyone knows at BTC there are no legal bookmakers.
90 to 95% Bangalore punters are legitimate tote players.
If any beggar using the services of Private Bookies they are doing illegitimate business to evade the tax. They are not patriotic people. We should aid the law enforcing departments to account them. How dare this man is insulting the majority punters of BTC..? I want to meet him as fast as possible.
N.shrikant said ...
03-Feb-2018
As Indian derby come closer as usual there is an big flash on Favorites LIL,p.force,Manifold.But every dog has his day.Out of 12 contender one Dark horse is there who can turn the tables of favorite.Predict the Dark one,outsider who can challenge the favorites. In the year 1983 "Nelston" redden by jockey Vasant Shinde won the Indian Derby at longest odd 100/1.So the suspense will reveal on 4th Feb.
Manish said ...
03-Feb-2018
@Raj,
I am not a tote player but still do not agree to your demeaning of tote players standard. Every person plays to his pocket.
Your comment shows nothing but your hollowness. If you are that daredevil, tell your bet and the amount in advance, alongwith the centre you play and mind it, if your bet fails, be ready for getting battered in this platform.
By the way, you did not answer my question about your settlement.
I am sure you wouldnt know because this aspect is known only to those, who actually deal in big amount with bookies.
I am not a tote player but still do not agree to your demeaning of tote players standard. Every person plays to his pocket.
Your comment shows nothing but your hollowness. If you are that daredevil, tell your bet and the amount in advance, alongwith the centre you play and mind it, if your bet fails, be ready for getting battered in this platform.
By the way, you did not answer my question about your settlement.
I am sure you wouldnt know because this aspect is known only to those, who actually deal in big amount with bookies.
Raj said ...
03-Feb-2018
@ svkraju
Your count down has begun long back. Why get involved that does not concerned you. Mind your business . After all another tote player.
Your count down has begun long back. Why get involved that does not concerned you. Mind your business . After all another tote player.
Abbas J said ...
02-Feb-2018
Hello All,
Indian Derby my choice is here
Horse # 4 PERFECT STAR Owner Dr M A M Ramaswamy Chettiar Of Chettinad Charitable Trust Rep. By Dr.A C Muthiah Trainer KARTHIK GANAPATHY
Jockey DAVID ALLAN
Indian Derby my choice is here
Horse # 4 PERFECT STAR Owner Dr M A M Ramaswamy Chettiar Of Chettinad Charitable Trust Rep. By Dr.A C Muthiah Trainer KARTHIK GANAPATHY
Jockey DAVID ALLAN
Sagar said ...
02-Feb-2018
Once again race is between Sana ,prevalent force and lady in lace where in if guided nicely Prevalent stands tall. don't waste ur money in any other horse.and I will quit racing if any other horse wins.
Rajesh said ...
02-Feb-2018
Rochester, Sana, and zenon will surprise all.
Savio said ...
02-Feb-2018I feel Castle Bridge isvtaken to Bangalore for the Derby
Mad Max said ...
02-Feb-2018
@ Hi All Horse Talkers
Pune is a major betting centre, last season the Leading Bookmaker there made a total turn over of Rs 60 lakhs only. This is disgusting this guys is shouting from roof top winning 60 lakhs per day from race course. Please show his place, and make his exit from HT.
Svkraju said ...
02-Feb-2018
DEAR FRIENDS [ MM, MANISH, JIMMY ]
He himself dont know what he says. A PROVEN ZERO . No need to break your heads.
all the best
He himself dont know what he says. A PROVEN ZERO . No need to break your heads.
all the best
Harin Baxi said ...
02-Feb-2018
What a master stroke by trainer Bharat Singh, first he didnt run his horse Castlebridge and now he has entrusted Trevor to ride Sana,this just goes to show how serious he is about wanting to win the Indian Derby.
We all know what a pathetic ride Dashrath had give Sana in the Kolkata Derby,hopefully Trevor extracts the best from her.
i had said on this post and the other also that its a one horse race....SANA.
We all know what a pathetic ride Dashrath had give Sana in the Kolkata Derby,hopefully Trevor extracts the best from her.
i had said on this post and the other also that its a one horse race....SANA.
Stop Fooling Punter said ...
02-Feb-2018
S.lanka simply too good sir!
Raj said ...
02-Feb-2018
@MM,Manish,@jimmy
When will you guys get graduated to at least Rs 1000 standard?
A u all not sick of living on tote wins?
@ Manish
I do not take more than Rs 2000 to course
If u think bookies give and take laks inside ring u need to start racing all over again kid .
Mm is getting involved unnecessarily bcz he is frustrated without a win since months.
The so called ACE tipster who was challenging all has been reduced to ashes. Get over this and work hard and use brain then anger .
@ Jimmy thinks he is the only one who goes by car to his own home after race.
Pitiable !!!!
All three have shown tote player mentality.Its below my dignity to be discussing my bets with jatatka sabis .
LIL will not win!!! For sure
When will you guys get graduated to at least Rs 1000 standard?
A u all not sick of living on tote wins?
@ Manish
I do not take more than Rs 2000 to course
If u think bookies give and take laks inside ring u need to start racing all over again kid .
Mm is getting involved unnecessarily bcz he is frustrated without a win since months.
The so called ACE tipster who was challenging all has been reduced to ashes. Get over this and work hard and use brain then anger .
@ Jimmy thinks he is the only one who goes by car to his own home after race.
Pitiable !!!!
All three have shown tote player mentality.Its below my dignity to be discussing my bets with jatatka sabis .
LIL will not win!!! For sure
Siva Lanka said ...
02-Feb-2018derby results are out
NO : 3 GRAND PASSAGE WIN
NO : 8 DAFFODIL SECOND
NO : 2 BIG SUR THIRD.
JUST IMAGINE THE PUNTERS REACTION ????????????
SHIVA.
Vino said ...
02-Feb-2018
YOU CAN SEE A PERFECT STAR IN THE SKY AT 5.33 pm AND THE WINNING POST OF MUMBAI RACE COURSE WINNING THE DERBY.
THE FOLD WILL FOLD ITS LEGS AND THE LAZY LADY WILL BE LAZY.
VINO.
THE FOLD WILL FOLD ITS LEGS AND THE LAZY LADY WILL BE LAZY.
VINO.
Ashutosh said ...
02-Feb-2018
SANA will win.....
Aravind said ...
02-Feb-2018
Derby card s out.but still MAN not decided abt jockey for Aggregated.all top jocky r engaged.he will bring some one from Abroad or withdraw his mount?
Mad Max said ...
02-Feb-2018
@ Manish
I still remember one of the top bookies got award from RWITC last year shown total turnover of Rs 60 lakhs or something.
This man called Raj is Crazy, do not weigh his words anymore. He himself says he is called Petti Raja, in fact in BTC whoever bet in lakhs are called Petti Rajas. So here so many Petti Rajas. If you ask any private bookies here who is Petti Raja, they will say... shit, here all re Petti Rajas. Dont talk about him. Why waste time?
I still remember one of the top bookies got award from RWITC last year shown total turnover of Rs 60 lakhs or something.
This man called Raj is Crazy, do not weigh his words anymore. He himself says he is called Petti Raja, in fact in BTC whoever bet in lakhs are called Petti Rajas. So here so many Petti Rajas. If you ask any private bookies here who is Petti Raja, they will say... shit, here all re Petti Rajas. Dont talk about him. Why waste time?
Savio said ...
02-Feb-2018
Outsider will win the Derby
Manish said ...
02-Feb-2018
RAj,
You are a big day dreamer and make me laugh too. I am a regular punter in DRC where the max. betting takes place, but never seen a actual transaction of 60 lakhs taking place after race or in the evening too.
Now you can say, that you got the money at a place other than race course. Okk. accepted.
Now if you are such a big punter, please tell me how the settlements took place in the period november-december 2016, immediately after demonetisation. And now dont say, that you stopped playing during that period.
Jimmy Karanjia said ...
02-Feb-2018
@Raj,
You post truly amuses me, and speaks volumes of your racing knowledge.I'd rather collect a few hundreds and thousands, very happy with that BTW at the bookmaker not a tote window. Mr. MadMax said he is a tote player so are you insulting him?? hehehe well done!
Those, like you, who know the joy of collecting 25 to 60 lakhs at a time also face the sorrow of begging and borrowing, selling their cars and houses and living on the streets. Fact of racing life,. I have seen it happening to the best of punters and owners so what are you??
Coming back to the winner of the Indian Derby, we will see what happens and who gasps for breath on Sunday. Dont get so excited if Manifold beaten a donkey field in the oaks by 4 lengths. The average rating of the Oaks field was 57.8, in case you understand rating, that is a middle weight class III rating. That is what your great filly has achieved. PF and LIL are rated 100 each which is the highest rating in the Derby field, you say they come from C grade centers? Like I said earlier, I dont bet big hence I will not need pain killers, prefer living a natural stress free life, but you surely keep your phone on coz on Monday and Tuesday you will be receiving calls from your book makers..
Cheers,
Jimmy
You post truly amuses me, and speaks volumes of your racing knowledge.I'd rather collect a few hundreds and thousands, very happy with that BTW at the bookmaker not a tote window. Mr. MadMax said he is a tote player so are you insulting him?? hehehe well done!
Those, like you, who know the joy of collecting 25 to 60 lakhs at a time also face the sorrow of begging and borrowing, selling their cars and houses and living on the streets. Fact of racing life,. I have seen it happening to the best of punters and owners so what are you??
Coming back to the winner of the Indian Derby, we will see what happens and who gasps for breath on Sunday. Dont get so excited if Manifold beaten a donkey field in the oaks by 4 lengths. The average rating of the Oaks field was 57.8, in case you understand rating, that is a middle weight class III rating. That is what your great filly has achieved. PF and LIL are rated 100 each which is the highest rating in the Derby field, you say they come from C grade centers? Like I said earlier, I dont bet big hence I will not need pain killers, prefer living a natural stress free life, but you surely keep your phone on coz on Monday and Tuesday you will be receiving calls from your book makers..
Cheers,
Jimmy
Irfantoshi said ...
02-Feb-2018
Lady in Lace - 5/2
Prevalent force and Manifold - 3/1
Aggregated - 5/1
Themis - 8/1
Rest all 10/1
Prevalent force and Manifold - 3/1
Aggregated - 5/1
Themis - 8/1
Rest all 10/1
Harin Baxi said ...
02-Feb-2018
Zenon will not run on board ,period...its one horse race SANA...
Ayyarnet said ...
01-Feb-2018Friends:
Whatever may be our forecast and calculations can go wrong as far as Derby is concerned.Present situation is completely amazing.
Indian Derby is almost like Diwali for Mumbaikars. Even a non racing people also visit Race course with fashionable dress. Betting level also will increase. Everything depends on betting level. If the betting level exceeds beyond certain optimum level then the Book Makers will decide the winner. This year derby we do not have a Horse like BESAFE - considered as unbeatable one. However if the betting level goes beyond certain level even for LIL also can lose. After all they want money only. They can get either way also instead of getting from the club they can get more from outside also.
Regards
ayyarnet
Vishal said ...
01-Feb-2018
Hi respected HT friends..i seriously wanted to post a big one for this derby..but some other person has been using my name n jotting his illiterate mind n disrespecting some senior members on the forum..I wanted to start well fresh n make my name in this forum n move further ahead..but some goons have a problem..n they won't let.. So excuse me friends I will appear with different name..THANK U VISHAL
Neversaynever said ...
01-Feb-2018
My pick is Manifold and LIL.
PF has always had made up races. He was clearly passed twice by LIL in the Deccan Monsoon Derby but the filly wasn't allowed to win.
Sana seems to be the dark horse as she has been bred to stay and comes with alot of potential.
Themis seems to be very temperamental and deserves a chance for a place bet.
Anyhow, paddock parade must be taken into consideration as to understand the readiness of the animal.
PF has always had made up races. He was clearly passed twice by LIL in the Deccan Monsoon Derby but the filly wasn't allowed to win.
Sana seems to be the dark horse as she has been bred to stay and comes with alot of potential.
Themis seems to be very temperamental and deserves a chance for a place bet.
Anyhow, paddock parade must be taken into consideration as to understand the readiness of the animal.
Chancepedance said ...
01-Feb-2018
Just a humble request to all the LIL fans whatever may be the result please don't go cursing the jockey after the race. The Be safe episode was ugly and pathetic. May the best horse win and may you all play the winner.
Golden Gir said ...
01-Feb-2018
Rrajesh-Manifold is not a certainty in place-so save your money
Jp said ...
01-Feb-2018
PF won the Hyderabad Derby over 2000mts. Since then so much has happened and other horses have improved. PF won the SI Derby in Chennai. I am not impressed with the win to consider it as favourite for the Indian Derby. It is all speculation by us and it may be different when the bookies open the odds. I remember in Bangalore in a million race , the horse ridden by Y.S.Srinath was 40/100 favourite which surprised many and the horse ridden by B.Prakash belonging to MAM was the second favourite at 6/1. It was Prakash who won.Ifeel the following will be involved in finish.a) Lady in Lace,b)Manifold c)Perfect Star d)Zenon e) PF.This is not the order of placing.
Raj said ...
01-Feb-2018
@ Jimmy
After all tote players always want HIGHER odds. No wonder you want one for that looser LIL .They are pathetic to watch while collecting few hundreds for few hundreds investment. What do u know the joy of collecting 25 to 60 lakhs at a time????
A horse from a 3 Rd rate centers winning Mumbai derby is too much to ask for . PR and LIL will be gasping for air at 2300 mts when Manifold challenges them from outside. Keep pain killers with you.
It's 2.28 mnts race. Not 2 35 or 2.36mts.
After all tote players always want HIGHER odds. No wonder you want one for that looser LIL .They are pathetic to watch while collecting few hundreds for few hundreds investment. What do u know the joy of collecting 25 to 60 lakhs at a time????
A horse from a 3 Rd rate centers winning Mumbai derby is too much to ask for . PR and LIL will be gasping for air at 2300 mts when Manifold challenges them from outside. Keep pain killers with you.
It's 2.28 mnts race. Not 2 35 or 2.36mts.
Stop Fooling Punter said ...
01-Feb-2018
I fail to see so much of fuss being made here over one race.
The fact is I find horses prerace preparation have been hidden from us.
So we have no idea of their readiness so tackle this rs 1 crore plus race.
So I am going to skip betting on it.May the best horse win.
The fact is I find horses prerace preparation have been hidden from us.
So we have no idea of their readiness so tackle this rs 1 crore plus race.
So I am going to skip betting on it.May the best horse win.
Bluebubbletron said ...
01-Feb-2018
One can never rule out the possibilities of an outsider, Considering...
ZENON for will be fruitful, having said that.
MANIFOLD seems to have a razor edge above LIL.
Sana seems to be a spent force just trying to make amends on this Turf she has to run out of her skin and if she does, well.. who knows.
PREVALENT FORCE has everything it takes to be a fav on paper and may seem like the one to beat but I think that it is the one horse that will take a lot of money down the drain in this race.
AGGREGATED will be at the post fighting for the verdict.
My bet will be on Zenon.
ZENON for will be fruitful, having said that.
MANIFOLD seems to have a razor edge above LIL.
Sana seems to be a spent force just trying to make amends on this Turf she has to run out of her skin and if she does, well.. who knows.
PREVALENT FORCE has everything it takes to be a fav on paper and may seem like the one to beat but I think that it is the one horse that will take a lot of money down the drain in this race.
AGGREGATED will be at the post fighting for the verdict.
My bet will be on Zenon.
Prinit said ...
01-Feb-2018
VVB, many have. One that comes to my mind right away is Indicment.
Mad Max said ...
01-Feb-2018
@ Jimmy
Main point is your horse LIL whether wins the Derby or not ? NOT WHICH HORSE WILL OPEN FAVOURITE. Few predicted their odds, I also predicted the odds, it can be wrong, it can be right, but don't divert the attention from main point. You are not a bookie, I am not a bookie, we all are just forecasting the odds as per our study. Now coming back to betting. I am a small Tote Player, mainly my area of interest is Jackpot.
Main point is your horse LIL whether wins the Derby or not ? NOT WHICH HORSE WILL OPEN FAVOURITE. Few predicted their odds, I also predicted the odds, it can be wrong, it can be right, but don't divert the attention from main point. You are not a bookie, I am not a bookie, we all are just forecasting the odds as per our study. Now coming back to betting. I am a small Tote Player, mainly my area of interest is Jackpot.
B.v.s.prasad said ...
01-Feb-2018
Dont worry guys MANIFOLD will definitely lift the Indian Derby, forget about Jodi prevalent & Landy in lace.
Mad Max said ...
01-Feb-2018
@ Munesh
I am just modifying the sentence you written to make it more specific.. "Lady in Lace has beaten bangalore summer derby winner Manifold unextended in 1000 Guinea at Hyderabad".
Do you know at that time I was one of the two who tipped Lady In Lace to win over Manifold. The present day supporters of Lady In Lace unitedly attacked Pesi Shroff for hooking favourite Manifold. Refer Horse Talk archives it will prove the naked truth. All of a sudden these JO JEETHA SIKANDAR GROUP started blindly supporting LIL. They are now little confused because Prevalent Force's record. Kya Kehna ? Yeh sab doobne wala hai.
I am just modifying the sentence you written to make it more specific.. "Lady in Lace has beaten bangalore summer derby winner Manifold unextended in 1000 Guinea at Hyderabad".
Do you know at that time I was one of the two who tipped Lady In Lace to win over Manifold. The present day supporters of Lady In Lace unitedly attacked Pesi Shroff for hooking favourite Manifold. Refer Horse Talk archives it will prove the naked truth. All of a sudden these JO JEETHA SIKANDAR GROUP started blindly supporting LIL. They are now little confused because Prevalent Force's record. Kya Kehna ? Yeh sab doobne wala hai.
Rrajesh said ...
01-Feb-2018
MANIFOLD in place 2-1 ....looks a certainty in place
Manish said ...
01-Feb-2018
LIL had some setback days before, so I dont think, it stands a good chance here. PF should open as the favourite at around 1.5 to 2. LIL could be second fav. wtih 3 to i, (thnx to the hype). Manifold will be around 4.5 to 5 and rest over 10 to 1, with a lone exception could be aggregated at about 8 (due to desouza).
I hope Manifold does a mahetji. I like Sana too, only if Dashrath singh is not booked to ride. He definitely lacks big race temparament.
I hope Manifold does a mahetji. I like Sana too, only if Dashrath singh is not booked to ride. He definitely lacks big race temparament.
Stop Fooling Punter said ...
01-Feb-2018
VVB has a point sadly I do not recollect anything
The right source is our ITR.
I am sure have will have the records.
I may even skip betting on this race. Why risk your money and to prove to whom. There are many other good races. Follow the top 4 trainers
The right source is our ITR.
I am sure have will have the records.
I may even skip betting on this race. Why risk your money and to prove to whom. There are many other good races. Follow the top 4 trainers
Jimmy Karanjia said ...
01-Feb-2018
Madmax,
FYI.... I am not a big punter like all you big guys out there, I am passionate about horses and love to study races I dont bet big at all. Come this Sunday I am not going to the derby to make or lose money. I am going to cheer my filly, play a Rs. 3000 bet on her and hope she runs a hell of a race, win or lose. I will still have a car to drive back in and a house to go back to unlike all you big punters who give shouts in 'peti's and Khokha's
So dont worry about how much money I will make from this Derby, be more worried about how you will be ducking and avoiding book makers calls on Monday.
You are completely wrong if you think Lady in Lace will open 13/10 favorite, that will be the odds on Prevalent Force, wait and watch!
Jimmy
Smart-still-poor-punter said ...
01-Feb-2018
Hi Noble Eagle,
Thank you once again for coming up with this timely post. See the response it has been evoking! Great!
I feel as if the race has already started and everyone's favourite horse has begun galloping...! but unfortunately all of us will have to wait till the D-day. Isn't it?
Hype or no hype, book form points to a straight fight between PF and LIL, and the latter enjoys a slight edge... repeat a very slight edge. That's all
Thank you once again for coming up with this timely post. See the response it has been evoking! Great!
I feel as if the race has already started and everyone's favourite horse has begun galloping...! but unfortunately all of us will have to wait till the D-day. Isn't it?
Hype or no hype, book form points to a straight fight between PF and LIL, and the latter enjoys a slight edge... repeat a very slight edge. That's all
Munesh said ...
01-Feb-2018
Mad Max sir earlier before hyderabad derby also there is same hype around Lady.she has beaten bangalore summer derby winner Manifold unextended.but hyderabad book makers made Prevalent odds on and generous with Lady.they proved to be wise.these bombay wallas are no different.it is not the emotion that counts.cold statistics.money matters
Vvb said ...
01-Feb-2018
Pune derby winner never won mumbai derby .So LIL out.
Search --Upset horse only-----Agragted/Manifold--latest winner
Search --Upset horse only-----Agragted/Manifold--latest winner
Jimmy Karanjia said ...
01-Feb-2018
Oh I forgot Mr. Mad,
If you think my filly will open favorite you are completely wrong. 13/10 or 1 1/2 ? Are you out of your mind? Prevalent Force will open that price and thanks to all the hype around Manifold by people like you, I am hoping she opens second favorite. Lady in Lace should be 3 or 4 to 1, thanks to all the hype created by a less knowledgeable person called Jimmy Karanjia and an expert like Mad Man
If you think my filly will open favorite you are completely wrong. 13/10 or 1 1/2 ? Are you out of your mind? Prevalent Force will open that price and thanks to all the hype around Manifold by people like you, I am hoping she opens second favorite. Lady in Lace should be 3 or 4 to 1, thanks to all the hype created by a less knowledgeable person called Jimmy Karanjia and an expert like Mad Man
Vishal said ...
01-Feb-2018
@ MADMAX
I challenge you Lady in Lace will not be the FIRM favorite.
And I think instead of worrying about how much money others will earn from the derby race, you should worry about your own pockets...
From the crap that you keep posting, your pockets should only have holes, and big ones too...
Cheers
Vishal
Esoterical said ...
01-Feb-2018
Open race may be lowest odds of favourite 2.5
But I personally like xenon too improve ....i play it 25k win 25k place good luck to all
But I personally like xenon too improve ....i play it 25k win 25k place good luck to all
Aravind said ...
01-Feb-2018
When Mumbai session started every punter wrote about Castle Bridge for Derby.but now it's nowhere.writers conveniently forgot and brought LIL and Prvelant force in Chances.Bother horses were run more than six races and must have good experience.but Stamina? Aggregated ran only 3 races and consider it's Stamina to handle this field.It shd replicate Elusivepimpernal coz both from Kolkata.
Hyderabad Challenger said ...
01-Feb-2018
Zenon one horse race :-)
Mad Max said ...
01-Feb-2018
@ Hi Guys
Lady in Lace will be the FIRM favourite at 13/10 or below 1-1/2. It is because of all the hype made around this horse by Jimmy Karanjia and his Bookie Colleagues (?) and also the mighty Vivek Jain writing an article about its prospects in RWITC website immediately after 1000 Guineas victory (which I reproduced in Horse Talk some time back). So there is no doubt Lady in Lace will be the favourite, followed by Prevalent Force around 18/10 to 2/1. Like Smart-still-poor punter said Manifold will be around 5/1 or 6/1. Rest of the runners including Aggregated 7/1, Rochester 8/1, Themis 10/1, Perfect Star 12/1, Sana 12/1, Daffodil 15/1, Zenon 20/1 in that order.
Look at Jimmy's choices. Earlier he used to make VAKALATH of Lady In Lace, now he is little confused, hence conveniently picked PREFAVELENT FORCE also. So he is having the most popular fancied Jodi in his kitty, let us wait and watch how much he is going to win from this Derby?
Lady in Lace will be the FIRM favourite at 13/10 or below 1-1/2. It is because of all the hype made around this horse by Jimmy Karanjia and his Bookie Colleagues (?) and also the mighty Vivek Jain writing an article about its prospects in RWITC website immediately after 1000 Guineas victory (which I reproduced in Horse Talk some time back). So there is no doubt Lady in Lace will be the favourite, followed by Prevalent Force around 18/10 to 2/1. Like Smart-still-poor punter said Manifold will be around 5/1 or 6/1. Rest of the runners including Aggregated 7/1, Rochester 8/1, Themis 10/1, Perfect Star 12/1, Sana 12/1, Daffodil 15/1, Zenon 20/1 in that order.
Look at Jimmy's choices. Earlier he used to make VAKALATH of Lady In Lace, now he is little confused, hence conveniently picked PREFAVELENT FORCE also. So he is having the most popular fancied Jodi in his kitty, let us wait and watch how much he is going to win from this Derby?
Stop Fooling Punter said ...
01-Feb-2018
Godzilla every horse has a chance to win here.
What some here are complaining why hide it from the racing public
We all know derby horses have been tracked well but vey few shown on the RWITC website
What some here are complaining why hide it from the racing public
We all know derby horses have been tracked well but vey few shown on the RWITC website
Munesh said ...
01-Feb-2018
forget about others.Prevalent and Lady will open as 1st and 2nd favourites.pressure will be more on Hyderabad beauty.they will end up as equal favourites I am a fan of Lady.but taking into account the kind of improvement made by Rochester I will put a small bet on Rochester and enjoy the race
Smart-still-poor-punter said ...
01-Feb-2018
Hi Noble Eagle,
I appreciate the way you have played the role of a bookie. The odds are worth declaring in the opening stage. Congrats!
However, if I am your rival bookie - say Ramanathan vs. Lulla in Chennai - I shall offer 2/1 for Prevalent Force and 2-1/4 for Lady in Lace. Manifold, the real one capable of upsetting the applecart herein, will be at 5/1, and Aggregated can be taken for 8/1. All others at 10/1 and above.
I will also give 1/2 money place on the first two horses, and 8/10 on Manifold.
I hope my bookie is not going raided. Beware of IT slueths...they are around!!
I appreciate the way you have played the role of a bookie. The odds are worth declaring in the opening stage. Congrats!
However, if I am your rival bookie - say Ramanathan vs. Lulla in Chennai - I shall offer 2/1 for Prevalent Force and 2-1/4 for Lady in Lace. Manifold, the real one capable of upsetting the applecart herein, will be at 5/1, and Aggregated can be taken for 8/1. All others at 10/1 and above.
I will also give 1/2 money place on the first two horses, and 8/10 on Manifold.
I hope my bookie is not going raided. Beware of IT slueths...they are around!!
Jimmy Karanjia said ...
01-Feb-2018
Raj,
Are you talking out of your senses or something?
Prevalent Force will be the favorite and rightfully so.He deserves to be the favorite. This will be followed by either Lady in Lace or your personal favorite Manifold.
I am thrilled with all the big interviews with jockeys trainers etc. David Allan has not even mentioned Lady in Lace in his selections. More interviews like these will fetch me higher odds on the Lady hopefully. Plus with all the buzz around her lung infection will increase her odds by a rupee or two. Your filly Manifold might just be second favorite and my filly Lady in Lace third favorite, I am hoping that happens.
They all have to beat Prevalent Force and my filly will be right there at the finish fighting it out.
Cheers,
Jimmy
Are you talking out of your senses or something?
Prevalent Force will be the favorite and rightfully so.He deserves to be the favorite. This will be followed by either Lady in Lace or your personal favorite Manifold.
I am thrilled with all the big interviews with jockeys trainers etc. David Allan has not even mentioned Lady in Lace in his selections. More interviews like these will fetch me higher odds on the Lady hopefully. Plus with all the buzz around her lung infection will increase her odds by a rupee or two. Your filly Manifold might just be second favorite and my filly Lady in Lace third favorite, I am hoping that happens.
They all have to beat Prevalent Force and my filly will be right there at the finish fighting it out.
Cheers,
Jimmy
Godzilla said ...
01-Feb-2018
Guys
Some of you say there is no track in Mumbai for some Derby Contenders, and hence these horses stands no chance in Derby. No patience at all.
All the Derby Contenders ran well and they have been given sufficient track at their respective centres.
Today is Thursday, most of the Derby Contenders would had preparatory final work. If not today, tomorrow. Thats enough.
Generally in Indian Derby, the Colts have always an edge over fillies.
Some of you say there is no track in Mumbai for some Derby Contenders, and hence these horses stands no chance in Derby. No patience at all.
All the Derby Contenders ran well and they have been given sufficient track at their respective centres.
Today is Thursday, most of the Derby Contenders would had preparatory final work. If not today, tomorrow. Thats enough.
Generally in Indian Derby, the Colts have always an edge over fillies.
Stop Fooling Punter said ...
01-Feb-2018
Raj you really caught him.
My bookies says derby is far away so much of racing before that
My bookies says derby is far away so much of racing before that
Starone said ...
01-Feb-2018
LIL & PF would be joint fav @ 3.25 : 1 and Manifold at 6 : 1, the odds are likely to drift on backing of either from the jodi . Besides any other horse would be > 10 to 1.
PLAY MANIFOLD - EACH WAY - place would be easily 1.25 ....
PLAY MANIFOLD - EACH WAY - place would be easily 1.25 ....
Raj said ...
01-Feb-2018
Even after crossing any stretch of imagination I failed to understand how did u arrive at these odds.
PR can never be a favorite. If it is, a 100% false fav.
We can happily dump it.
PR can never be a favorite. If it is, a 100% false fav.
We can happily dump it.
Aravind said ...
01-Feb-2018
Don't consider Sana in this set.Prevelant force LIL and Aggregated are three genuine fighters for this year Derby.rest all also ran catogary.since my close relatives function @5pm I will be missing live action in Mumbai.always my take is Aggregated.
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