This horse had placed 11,11 10,9,8,7,6(The best) in the last several outings in the same class 4. Today it becomes fav and wins by 9.5 L.
That means it can win at the will of owners and trainer.
No enquiry? What kind stewards we have? It should have been disqualified.
Or null and void.
Too pathetic that there is no control over anything at BTC.
21 Replies
Jp said ...
14-Mar-2018
Lagad horses need no track since he keeps running them every week or fortnight. MKJ horses win without track. The others are FAA,JODHAS. But,we people ignore some best tracking horses. Eg: Corfe Castle with the best mock race/track it was ignored and available @ 7/1. Maybe the best tracked horses are not tried and we end up losing.
Godzilla said ...
14-Mar-2018
The following trainers horses will win without preparation:
I Ghatala .. in Bangalore
IA Sait and Lagad .. In Pune
L Diselva .. in Hyderabad
Darashahs .. in Mysore
Perhaps they might be giving 'CHOR' tracks. It has become a habit
with these guys.
The other day in Mumbai H Daji gave sufficient swimming track to Texas
Gold and won at nourishing odds.
I dont know what do they gain by hiding a Horse and misleading punters.
Azim said ...
13-Mar-2018
@raj original
Harley queen is always an average horse u can see this horse performance in start of her career..gowda spoil this horse now the change of the owner and trainer taking this horse seriously and this horse can go up to class 3.
Jp said ...
12-Mar-2018
This trend of horse with no form or having run better races before and suddenly winning as favourite was a trend started by a Chairman of the club years ago to give a feeling that the race was not predetermined. There was a jockey and now a trainer when he is to win such races making the horse favourite.
Pds said ...
12-Mar-2018
Dear Raj, one of the vital parts of the Race reading is the paddock parade reading of the runners. You should start learning about it as this technique is
being very much used all over the world and it is not very simple that can be picked up just like that. Pl don't be rigid, in this field for over 50 years and still there is so much to learn more.( A very good case study of top class preparation was the top condition of Themis on 11 march and we all have seen the difference in its performance----). Any way, I always go ahead to offer my suggestions to our friends in this field.
Kumar_blore said ...
12-Mar-2018
@Stalingrad,
Tried explaining the same,if people are not ready to accept you need to move on.There are numerous such horses which has performed well after shift in owners & trainers.
Cheers
Stalingrad said ...
12-Mar-2018
To all,
I wonder when you senior HT's make a light comments on the sport..
In my view, the sport has changed its dimension since the days small time owners are started riding the trainers. Now a days punters themselves investing money on B class old horses and feeding them in a right way and cutting themselves a nice slice and the cycle goes on.
In Harley Quinns case, the horse was in Narayan Gowda's stable and Babu Krishna was the owner. Noe Bhoomi reddy took the horse and the stable swithed to azar ali and after they took an amateur S Imran finished it 6th and a good indication of horse's progress after switching the stable. Last week every book gave it a first choice, No.1 rider was on saddle hence there need not be worried much to think on horse performance.
Moreover both in human and animals, the surroundings and the way they brought up matters a lot in their performance. Being you people the seniors I need not to explain how the atmosphere and people in and around Narayana Gowda's stable..
Raj-original said ...
12-Mar-2018
@PDS
Extremely well prepared how do you know that? Just bcz few fake track work outs?
The problem for me is did the well bred criteria happened just in this race but not in previous 15 races?
Is the Suraj the only jockey who could have won it? All are other jockies were born just yesterday?
You also need to grow up in racing and understand racing at least a little.
Pds said ...
12-Mar-2018
Friends, My only advise is, that most of you must know for sure that Horse Racing is not so easy to understand and learn, it is very complicated, you have to get into it very seriously to make head way and in roads. As for the Harley Quinn, it is quite well bread. was extremely well prepared, was ridden by a top jockey and was running after the mandatory gap of more than 21 days from the last run. So where is the problem??
Raj-original said ...
12-Mar-2018
@Riquewihr
One word reply. Pathetic.If a horse can win just bcz thousands nominate it, what can I say about few brain dead in racing!!!!
Can you justify it's win? Not after another 1000 years.Grow up .(not only in racing !!!)
Talk is cheap!!!!!
Crk said ...
11-Mar-2018
In any sphere of economy, it is useful to remember the rule of 80..20. I.e. 20% generate 80? of the result.Hence it is better to concentrate on the 20?.
With regard to to racing, look out for the top Trainers and top Jockey's and focus your study there.
One is not here to write a thesis ..So, short listing with 80...20 rule in mind makes sense. That is what Godzilla is doing.It is his way of finding winners and he is quite open about it.Accept it or move on.
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Kumar_blore said ...
11-Mar-2018
I agree with Fido dido.
harley queen was literally not tried from past year or so,it had come down a lot in scales.trainer & owner were utter waste,once the horse changed stables the new trainer had a ready made winner with little adjustments,hence after its last run trainer sensed it added an equipment and without taking any chance hired a top jockey to do the job.i was very confident on it's chances,so were many others who tipped it.
When people call themselves very intelligent in gambling can't pick such a gamble I wonder if they are really that smart.
Dreams said ...
11-Mar-2018
I wonder if the horse is so superior why they given the ride to Suraj in this set and why he accepted this race ? Answer is very clear , except the owner the connections were sure the horse is superior and if the owner came to know the potentiomal a huge gamble in store with an ordinary jockey . Here they might have told the owner take a good bet and not a heavy bet and they made sure the horse won in such a margin that will distroy the handicap chances of this horse in future . Poor owner might bet again and lose his money bcos of this run it qualified to a tough time ahead . Do you think they will win like this in any of their fav or big connections horses ? Never .
Regarding the Trevor shp , it was the fav in the first run and we all know who took and went the money generated by this horse in that race . Now it’s recovery phase . He will recover his loses in 60 paisa fav by backing again win on a already failed fav or eat on even money and recover his money lost . Think twice and play . Many races are running not according to merit .. according to the logic of game
Godzilla said ...
11-Mar-2018
ram iyer
I would neither take credit nor brick bats. I will remain humble. Yesterday was one of those days where the apprentice bagged the main event. How many such did you come across - can you specify ?. In 7 races, three are generally won by Trevor, two by Suraj and one by Srinath. Thats the percentage of top jockies. Left out would always be won by Neeraj, Chouhan and CSJ.
You have a weak case to defend and for heavens sake dont argue with me for argument sake. There is not even a spark of intelligence in your presentation.
Ramiyer said ...
11-Mar-2018
Dear Godzilla.
Your favourite nominee trevor lost on money favourite to john.Yesterday Naveen and Nazeerul won .they are not inyour list add that also.It is a pity from a person having 40years of racing still advocates for jockeys rather than horses.
Supreme general was ridden by trevor also.
If it fails today dont blame the jockey.If it wins today dont take credit also.
Fido Dido said ...
11-Mar-2018
@ Raj Original
You seem to be in a hurry to give your verdict about Harley Quinn. Do you know that right from its 1st run the horse was under the care of V Narayan Gowda the notorious trainer. It moved to Azhar Ali and a new owner & see the difference.
The answer has to be given by Narayan Gowda and his previous owner as to what were they doing with the horse when it ran 23 times before it won yesterday.
Mano said ...
11-Mar-2018
even capricious ridden by john on first run beating peluche ridden by Trevor was fixed, the previous night to the race owner and trainer had fixed this race, this was the information..
Godzilla said ...
11-Mar-2018
Raj-original
One thing I want to make it clear to all. Its the Jockeys nowadays who win the Races and not Horses.
The top pedigrees are:
Trevor, Suraj, Neeraj, Sandesh, Srinath, CS Jodha and PSC in that order. The other jockeys are irrelevant and also become in "Also ran category"
When I was tipping Trevor mounts, ram iyer was not comfortable. Now he will understand.
In Hyderabad, Akshay Kumar will not win on favourites but on longer odds.
Today Supreme General who came close second to Temerity and clocked 2 mts 29 seconds for 2400 mtr trip, with a feather handicap should not lose. But it will not be backed due to Bhawani. Had Trevor entrusted with the job, the odds for Supreme General with such low handicap will be 75nP favourite.
Poor rest of the jockeys, they are almost entrusted giving track work in regular Races for the Champions to ride and win later like Suraj did yesterday.
Its like those days Maharajas eating after the food is tasted by the chef.
Raghavan said ...
11-Mar-2018
@Raj_original
"Harley quinn had no merits. Still won by massive margin". Let us say your argument is 1OO% right. Then, comes the question- which horse had merits?
Whether the results were pre determined or not we have no answer.
It was favorite. May be Suraj factor. And it delivered. My 2O treble tickets gave me dividend 1O8 each. My bets were 5-3,6-4.
Do not put any questions to BTC on such silly races. A bunch of non performers lucky enough to be remain in class IV, ran a race. And the favorite obliged. That is all. Suraj Narredu followers who had tough time earlier, went home smiling. Next time it may lose by 25 lengths.
Disqualified? null & void? On what grounds. Can it be proved that all 12 riders had consensus that Haley quinn be allowed to win?
@GC Raj,
Again the same question to you. Which horse had the merit?
And when you say these type of trainers should be suspended for life time, what actually you mean? Whether you target trainer of Harley quinn should be suspended OR whether the trainers of other horses to be suspended?
Result: Majority of punters happy. And owner/trainer of all horses in that race happy.
Riquewihr said ...
11-Mar-2018
Raj-Original,
Check POG Contest and other Regular Bangalore Selections thread and see so many many Horse Talkers tipped that horse. Those analysing with jaundice eyes can only see 11,11 10,9,8,7,6 finishes. Instead of complaining, learn from the successful tipsters. At least ask for their opinion and views. They will reveal it to you.
Gc Raj said ...
11-Mar-2018
dear original RAJ
I fully agree with you,other than suraj is riding today no indications for that horse to win like that, how many horses suraj won while riding first time on them.these type of traners should be suspended for life time
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