@ Srikanth.

I have said "what is this half tax?". It was a question in contempt against the existing system. Let Mr Veda do 1OO things. But let that be within rules.

I do not want to dignify your other points with comments. They are returned back to sender.

I agree with Mr.Savanth. Mr.Veda and his team have done a lot at HRC for the betterment of the punters. Mr.Raghavan and Jrao might not have done nothing in their respective race courses for the sake of punters but making negative comments against him. First of all do something for the punters, if you are capable.

@ Mr.Raghavan: In ur first thread you have exclaimed what is this half-tax and in ur second thread u are telling that u know very well what is the half tax. When u know very well of the half-tax, why u have commented saying what is this half tax?. U have agreed that u have never played at bookies and agreed that it is very difficult to bet at 32% tax and suggested to the others not to bet at all and if one must bet then pay 32% tax. Who are u to suggest like that? If u have some principles and idealogy, u follow yourself and do not try to rub them on the others. If u are so particular that all the punters should pay at 32% tax, u should propegate ur idealogy among the punters by standing in the bookies ring as suggested by Mr.Savanth, and u will be kicked out of the bookies ring. This comment is either silly nor naive because if u want ur idealogy has to be followed by the other punters, u should propegate it. Ur comment a representative of punters should avoid such points outright is not correct and u are directly supporting the bookmakers who are collecting half tax at their will and pleasure and Mr.Veda and his team represented to make them collect uniform rate of half-tax which will be beneficial to the punters and what is wring in it? U cannot stop betting at half tax and u have agreed that the punters are addicted to playing at half tax and then is it ur intention that the bookmakers shall continue the collection of at their will and pleasure? U are talking about the rules and these rules are only applicable to the race punters and they are not applicable to the politicians and business magnets who are evading tax of crores of rupees and why u are not raising ur voic e against them also? U appears to be a senior punter and as u are from Bangalore, please put ur efforts and try to do something for the punters at ur centre and also as there are no book makers at Bangalore, do not
bother about what system is prevailing for laying a bet with bookmakers at the other centres. Mr.Savanth has not tried to silence u by shouting but has told what is the reality. If u are not playing the bet with Bookmakers nobody will force u to do so and at the same time it is none of ur business to force the others not to bet with bokmakers.

@ Mr.Jrao: All the above comments are also apply to u. U are calling all the punters as criminals and u should apoligise to all the punters. U appears to be from Hyderabad and have u ever tried to do something for betterment of the punters? Why are u coming to race course? Is it to do some charity work and donate something to race club? Do not try to pass unwarranted ramrks.

Both of Ur people have no moral right to comment against Mr.veda and his team who have done a lot for creating several ameneties for the punters and also to bring about changes in the procedures in HRC and that too ur people without doing anything to the punters community.

The gentlemen who have participated in this thread on this subject should write specifically is there any thing wrong asking the club to direct the book makers to adopt uniform rate of half-tax, which is beneficial to the punters.

@veda,

it is learnt from a reliavle sources that the entry tickets will be enhanced considerably in which the
cell phone permit is included . roughly entry rupees 50 for grand stand and members stand entry ticket will be 200

@ Praveen S,

The punters are so accustomed to 1/2 tax that even if the Government makes tax 3%, they will pay 1.5% to the bookies but do not pay even a single rupee to the Government, Turf club.

CID.. While taking up Race betting with the Govt,Pl do not forget to ask when the citizens of my beloved Mother Land will get 15 lacs promised earlier.once I get 15 lacs I promise you I will bet with Tote only.

28% GST on turnover is a loss to Government also. Had the Government kept GST at 12% the turnover in the tote would have risen and Government would have been getting more money as tax than what it is getting at 28%. But who will put this piece of information in Arun Jaitley's ear.

I have taken a screen shot of this thread . This is to highlight to the relevant authorities The tomfoolery and daylight robbery going on across all bookmakers enclosures pan India despite the presence of various government tax departments and officially posted within the turf clubs to see that the commercial aspect of horse racing aka betting is conducted within the strict parameters of law.
I will see to it that this matter reaches the highest levels in the finance ministry, the powerful SIT, and will ensure that the income tax authorities are pulled up for their negligence. The much harassed IT officers have steep tax collection targets and this piece of information. Should come as a godsend to them.
Patrons please rest assured , the bookies will be raided out of existence . Bookie mukth bharath will be a reality.

The Book Makers ring in most Clubs, is occupied by non playing people causing all type of hindrance to regular punters. Pl come and visit Guindy Race Club(worst in the earth) There should be an entry fee for the Book Makers Ring.( minimum 50 Rupees)

@ Savanth,

I know very well what is that half-tax. I am against people betting at half tax.
And my idea was to convey that is bad arrangement in club. Even if 5OOOO people bet at half tax that does not become legal.

At 28% gst + club charges, it is very difficult to bet; I agree. But, what I suggest is do not bet at all. If you must bet, then pay 32% tax.

Your other statement that I should stand in center of bookies ring and preach the punters only to bet at 32% is too silly/naive. I can not change my views. If you consider that what I say is wrong, by all means ignore it. Or come with valid arguments. Never come with arguments that all are betting at half tax only. Everybody knows it. The mere fact that a letter on these lines is appearing in this thread is proof of that. What I am saying is the representation made to the HRC by a representative of punter should avoid such points outright. In fact the representation should be to insist bookies to collect full tax on all bets irrespective of volume of bet.

And, HRC/ and any other turf club is run by corrupt people who will approve any dubious request by the bookies. They are turning a blind eye to the illegal business under their nose. In the meanwhile bookies go home with bag loads of money every day. You are the loser. And, do not take pride in cutting your losses by 2O% [32-12].

"What a punter gets by betting even money horse at 32%". Arre baba. It is rules. It should be followed. All tote players and all those who bet below 1OOO are paying that 32% tax. If you say the returns are too low, then do not bet. No one is compelling you. Do not try to silence me by shouting.

People who bet at half tax may think that they are smart. It is not so. They are betting at half tax because bookies allow it. Their limitation is fully exposed if and when bookies insist on full tax.

I am from Bangalore. There are only illegal bookies doing business here.. Anyway my all betting only at the tote. In this current GST era or earlier.

What Veda represented is hundred percent correct. The bookies are pocketing the extra percentage of half.tax and exploiting puinters. @ Mr.Raghavan: Have you ever lay ur bet by paying 32% tax? Donot u know that the system of half tax is prevailing in all race centres and strangely u are putting a question what is this half tax, as if u are an innocent person. Why u are asking the management in this forum to reduce the stall fee instead of putting a representation to the Club? I donot know from which place u are hailing, at HRC the punters waging their bets with bookies at half.tax only and u will not find a single person playing with 32% tax. What punter will get by playing a on-money favourate with 32% tax? Why would not u stand in the centre of bookies ring and preach the punters that they should be on the right side of law and they should pay 32% of tax and the punters who are laying bets at half tax will throw u out of the ring. Who are u to say that only those who can afford to pay full tax has the right to do business with bookies

@jao: Will u arrest the evasion of tax by punters and request them to pay full tax of 32%? Every punter coming to race course with the hope of earning money by laying their bets and is it not gambling? Are u coming to play the cricket in the race course? The above comments posted for Raghavan will also apply to u. He is trying to minimise the burden on the punters and u are asking him to apolize? U have to apolize to all the punters as u are trying to increase the burded on them.
Veda has done a lot for betterment of the punters by representing to the Chairman, HRC and ur people instead of doing nothing discouraging him by posting deragatory remarks. Have ur people ever put any representation to the HRC for betterment of punters? Instead of barking in this forum do something before u make any comments against a person doing a lot for the sake of punters.

what is this you are requesting to officially evade tax you want to make people criminals proposing tax evasion on gambling dominated horse racing. dont think everybody come here are pure gamblers and have the mindset of yours. sorry you must apologise

Hello All,

Common guys what you talking about here for TEA, I think tea is reasonable price if they collecting rs 12 for a middle size cup. Tea is standard and tasty and Mirchi and other bhageya is ok. How many tea's you are drinking in four hours one or two. And talking about safe the money on Tea. The contractor has to pay a big fee every year to HRC and worker's and Milk prices and raw tea prices are gone up. Bookies is cheating HRC and Income tax dept, Like if you bet Rs 2000 with bookie you have pay 12% tax which is rs 240 and bookies give you Rs 200 card and entered in book sheet rs 200 and pay tax 32% which is rs 64. You pay 2240 for 2000 bet. Bookies is big tax cheater here.
for original bet rs 2000 plus 640 tax . you cheated 400 tax and bookies cheated 176 . It's better stop playing the racing at all. Good Luck all.

HRC my be an autonomous body. But it has no powers to go against a central Law.

What is this half tax. Ensure discipline and ask them to collect tax payable to Government as per Law.

Even I agree that 28% GST taxation is too heavy. Also there is club charges in addition to that 28%. But only those who can afford to bet at that tax rates has the right to do business with bookies.

HRC management may say stall fees are higher and hence it is not bothered to go strict on bookies. Whom they are trying to fool? If they are so fair minded, then let the HRC management reduce the stall fees. It is clear as daylight that they get good haftha from bookies.

If we are to point fingers at HRC management and demand corrective, it is our duty to be on the right side of law. You are showing middle finger to law. Then with what face you are asking them to be fair?

Club charges 4O/-, GST 28O/-. So for 1OOO bet you have to pay 32O/-. You are cheating the Government of 28O/ and paying a bribe of 1OO/- to the book maker. Also you are cheating the club 4O/-. Effectively, you are asking the management to be fair even though you are cheating the club and the Government. To me, you are on extreme weak wicket.

exorbitant rates in canteen/fruit stall: Nowadays only 8 races maximum. Which means 4 hours. Carry one bisleri water bottle while entering the race course. Perform upavasa-satyagraha for 4 hours. Do not buy even 1/2 tea. Difficult to follow in initial days. But, one week, your body will be adjusted to the new routine. Canteen contractor will be forced to have a rethink on price.

Instead of giving subsidised rates to the racing public, the club allows the canteen contractor to increase rates on all items every few months.

This has to stop or else the club should subsidise the small amount and look after the welfare of the punters. It is nothing much for the club to do so.

About 50% of the public in the bookmakers ring do not play at the bookies, but simply stand and make a big crowd and creates much difficulty for the genuine punters who play in the ring. A seperate fence should be put-up surrounding the book-makers ring and a nominal fee of Rs 10/- or Rs 15/-should be collected from punters entering the book-makers stalls.

Chairs are insufficient, and many are disappearing. A minimum of 100 extra chairs are needed surrounding the ring.

Wall fans at the ring are not put on, even in this summer heat.Chairman has to look into this aspect too.

Hope the officials look into these matters.

One more thing HRC is paying rent for five floors building in lower tank bund race club where as it is using only three floors from the past two years two floors rent money is wasted end of the day it is the punter who is paying the rent not the club. And the off course tote center of lower tank bund does not have proper bus facility every one has to change two buses and walk more than 5 minutes in the scorching sun earlier at Ranigunj the tote premises was bad but bus facility and train facility was available you don't have to walk a long distance to reach the tote.

HRC is charging more tax and commission from punters who play at tote because of this the tote punters are suffering more.
If a punters bets 1000 rupees at bookies he is paying 320 rupees as tax and commission but if he bets in tote he paying 450 rupees as commission on 1000 rupees bets 130 rupees extra from betting in the bookies. HRC is charging 45% as tax + commission for tote punters. This is the problem which hurting punters badly and benefiting bookies. I hope you share this problem with the race club immediately. HRC is deducting 32% from collection suppose the tote collections for win pool is 10 lakhs HRC is deducting 330,000 from the pool only 670,000 is distributed back to winning horse punters. As per GST if a punter bet 100 rupees he should pay 28 rupees as tax the club should collect 28 rupees from the punters the way bookies do but HRC is deducting 28 rupees from 100 rupees bet than my bet amount 100 - 28 is 72 only according to GST rule punter should pay 28% on 72 rupees which will be around 20 rupees but HRC is charging 28 rupees means 8 rupees for 100/- bet 80 rupees more for 1000/- bet.