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By B.v.s.prasad | 02-Jul-2018
Nobody can beat "HAMMERSMITH" in The Lady Doctors Fillies Trial Stakes, she will easily cinch the cup.
52 Replies
Glasgow Prince said ...
08-Jul-2018Raghavan, Kumar,
You are right about the Adler Plate. I stand corrected.
Kumar_blore said ...
07-Jul-2018
@Glasgow prince,
In the Adler plate after the withdrawal of fine barrister there were 8 horses,but wasn't the same in Teodoro race.kashkha was withdrawn well before the race,yet 3 places were given in that race.....no idea what was the reason.
Thanks
In the Adler plate after the withdrawal of fine barrister there were 8 horses,but wasn't the same in Teodoro race.kashkha was withdrawn well before the race,yet 3 places were given in that race.....no idea what was the reason.
Thanks
Raghavan said ...
07-Jul-2018
@ Glasgow Prince/VK Santhosh kumar,
Thank you. My reply was considered satisfactory to you. However I must admit that what I replied was only guess work.
BTC was not following the logic "betting starts at 1O am". But, they might have modified the rules at par with Mumbai.
@Glasgow Prince,
There were 8 horses [not 7] even after scratching of two horses, Industrialist & Fine barristor..
Thank you. My reply was considered satisfactory to you. However I must admit that what I replied was only guess work.
BTC was not following the logic "betting starts at 1O am". But, they might have modified the rules at par with Mumbai.
@Glasgow Prince,
There were 8 horses [not 7] even after scratching of two horses, Industrialist & Fine barristor..
Glasgow Prince said ...
07-Jul-2018SVK,
It has also happened in the Adler Plate on the same day wherein Industrialist was withdrawn in the morning and Fine Barrister was withdrawn at race time leaving only 7 to run. Three places were paid out in this race as well.
Chanakya,
The above instances don't seem to match with the rule.
Chanakya said ...
07-Jul-2018
Glasgow Prince,
The RWITC ( followed by others) rule book says:
In a race where 8 or more runners are 'declared' to run and 'come' under starters order but at the race time one or two are 'withdrawn' the payment for first 3 placed runners will be made by tote AS WELL AS BY BOOKMAKERS.
If the withdrawal takes place before the start of the race, or runners 'coming under starter's order' - tote/book makers are not liable to pay for 3rd. place...
The RWITC ( followed by others) rule book says:
In a race where 8 or more runners are 'declared' to run and 'come' under starters order but at the race time one or two are 'withdrawn' the payment for first 3 placed runners will be made by tote AS WELL AS BY BOOKMAKERS.
If the withdrawal takes place before the start of the race, or runners 'coming under starter's order' - tote/book makers are not liable to pay for 3rd. place...
Glasgow Prince said ...
07-Jul-2018Raghavan, your guess may be right. In the Colts Championship won by Sir Cecil, only 7 took part, there were no withdrawals and only two place dividends were paid out.
Santoshkumar Vk said ...
07-Jul-2018
G.P.
Mr Raghavan is correct.
This 3rd place payout in a 7 horse race has occured in The Rare gem plate alone.
I too am of the opinion the withdrwal of Kashkha was a late one,I.E after the ticket sales for the races started at 10.00 am.
Regards
Mr Raghavan is correct.
This 3rd place payout in a 7 horse race has occured in The Rare gem plate alone.
I too am of the opinion the withdrwal of Kashkha was a late one,I.E after the ticket sales for the races started at 10.00 am.
Regards
Stop Fooling Punter said ...
07-Jul-2018
The rule in RWITC regarding place win bets is very clear for bookies.
To get a place bet of 1/4 win bet has to be equal bet you cannot back place only .
It does not apply if fav is evens or less.
Last shocker bet confined to rs 400 only that too each way.
I find some where are just desk workers and doubt if even go to the race course
leave alone give lift to losers after races
To get a place bet of 1/4 win bet has to be equal bet you cannot back place only .
It does not apply if fav is evens or less.
Last shocker bet confined to rs 400 only that too each way.
I find some where are just desk workers and doubt if even go to the race course
leave alone give lift to losers after races
Raghavan said ...
06-Jul-2018@ Glasgow Prince:
At the outset, I say that what I am speaking is purely guess work.
Bookies offering only 2 places is in order. Only 7 runners faced the starter.
At what time Kashkah was withdrawn, I do not know. BTC was paying place payout for only 2 horses in such cases. Whether there is any change in dividend policy I do not know. Indeed it was surprising to me also when 3 place payouts were announced. May be the rules have been modified. If the race card is showing 8 horses then 3 place payouts even if 1 or 2 horses were subsequently withdrawn.
Mumbai tote: If the withdrawal is announced after betting started [1O am], then 3 payouts. This was the rule earlier also.
Glasgow Prince said ...
06-Jul-2018I have a query about place dividend. As far as I know, place dividend is paid out on the first three places if a minimum of 8 horses participate in a race - at least in Western India. However, in the current Bangalore season dividend has been paid out on first three places even though only 7 horses participated. Three place dividends were paid out in Bangalore as well as by RWITC. However, the bookies paid out only for the first two places. What is the correct position? Has there been any change in rules? I rarely play place and hence I am not very familiar with change of rules if any.
Manish said ...
06-Jul-2018
Raghavan,
You clearly nailed it.
ITR,
Final nail on the coffin.
You clearly nailed it.
ITR,
Final nail on the coffin.
Indian_turf_record said ...
06-Jul-2018What is the use of knowing all about tongue-straps, bits, airflow, etc if you don't know if HAMMERSMITH is a 'he' or 'she' ?
Azim said ...
06-Jul-2018
Raghvan
100% agree with u. U just nailed it brother.
100% agree with u. U just nailed it brother.
Raghavan said ...
06-Jul-2018
Godzilla,
Your current knowledge is quite adequate. I do not think you should take the trouble of interacting with trainers/jockeys.
Some pretend that they know everything. They were giving selections. But actually, there will be not a single paisa bet on those horses. Everytime, the results are announced they rush with profit claims.
A case in point is Malavika. They said they got O.7O odds on that horse for place. Whether the odds displayed were O.7O or O.5O or double dash no body knows. When questioned about that, they said it is the rule in rwitc that bookies should necessarily give place odds at 1/4th win odds.
The fact that he cites a non existent rwitc rule to get O.7O odds for unit bet is proof enough to know that there was not a single paisa bet by him. He shamelessly claimed dividend on that and also mentioned about positive ROI.
As far as my knowledge goes such facility is only when a punter plays each way. How they give place odds as per punter's dictates is something only they can answer.
Well. The race was over. Malavika finished 3rd. This punter jumped in joy. Claimed O.7O odds on Malavika. He had tipped that & presumed that the horse has saved place money. He immediately and shamelessly claimed O.7 ROI.
He said that he bet 2OOO roll on Spontaneous eddie, Rogue-one place, Glynderburn & South paw, that gave him 3.4 lakhs. When questioned that even assuming that he had bets as claimed the dividend is 2 lakh plus, he shut his mouth.
O.7O odds a lie. Unit bet on place a lie. Bet + Odds that 1.7 units dividends a lie. O.7O return on investment a lie. Roll bet a lie.
Everything that comes from their mouth is a big lie. They ask you to avoid talking to perennially sick persons. Indirectly, he is advertising that the only person capable to answer is himself and we all should listen to him. Better beware.
Your current knowledge is quite adequate. I do not think you should take the trouble of interacting with trainers/jockeys.
Some pretend that they know everything. They were giving selections. But actually, there will be not a single paisa bet on those horses. Everytime, the results are announced they rush with profit claims.
A case in point is Malavika. They said they got O.7O odds on that horse for place. Whether the odds displayed were O.7O or O.5O or double dash no body knows. When questioned about that, they said it is the rule in rwitc that bookies should necessarily give place odds at 1/4th win odds.
The fact that he cites a non existent rwitc rule to get O.7O odds for unit bet is proof enough to know that there was not a single paisa bet by him. He shamelessly claimed dividend on that and also mentioned about positive ROI.
As far as my knowledge goes such facility is only when a punter plays each way. How they give place odds as per punter's dictates is something only they can answer.
Well. The race was over. Malavika finished 3rd. This punter jumped in joy. Claimed O.7O odds on Malavika. He had tipped that & presumed that the horse has saved place money. He immediately and shamelessly claimed O.7 ROI.
He said that he bet 2OOO roll on Spontaneous eddie, Rogue-one place, Glynderburn & South paw, that gave him 3.4 lakhs. When questioned that even assuming that he had bets as claimed the dividend is 2 lakh plus, he shut his mouth.
O.7O odds a lie. Unit bet on place a lie. Bet + Odds that 1.7 units dividends a lie. O.7O return on investment a lie. Roll bet a lie.
Everything that comes from their mouth is a big lie. They ask you to avoid talking to perennially sick persons. Indirectly, he is advertising that the only person capable to answer is himself and we all should listen to him. Better beware.
Azim said ...
06-Jul-2018
CHANAKYA the old man who never strikes pretend to be a great handicapper who wins millions in one day lol. And when he posts the selection 90% of his selection is out of board lmao.
Azim
Azim
Chanakya said ...
05-Jul-2018
@ godzilla,
tongue strap does not affect breathing because a horse BREATHS THROUGH NOSE and CAN NOT breath through mouth...
Tongue strap is used so that he can not affect the BIT which CONTROLS his movement to left or right, thereby inconviencing the rider to control the movement of the horse to get a better position...
one advice: interact with some trainers, jockeys etc. to remove some wrong ideas, you may have...
Secondly: Never, I say never recommend a runner with ordinary pedigree and 'poor' track because few punters may lose...
there are fools who follow a favorite due to a hype - why should you follow them? Many of them write a foolscape page size 'baqwas' to remain in 'news' - ignore them...
remember - Hammersmith is not an issue - infact he is nothing more than a donkey...People will forget him but your followers will remember what you said about him...
Perenially sick people have come from other site to wash their sins and forget conveniently what they said or did earlier but forget many remember what they said or did...
tongue strap does not affect breathing because a horse BREATHS THROUGH NOSE and CAN NOT breath through mouth...
Tongue strap is used so that he can not affect the BIT which CONTROLS his movement to left or right, thereby inconviencing the rider to control the movement of the horse to get a better position...
one advice: interact with some trainers, jockeys etc. to remove some wrong ideas, you may have...
Secondly: Never, I say never recommend a runner with ordinary pedigree and 'poor' track because few punters may lose...
there are fools who follow a favorite due to a hype - why should you follow them? Many of them write a foolscape page size 'baqwas' to remain in 'news' - ignore them...
remember - Hammersmith is not an issue - infact he is nothing more than a donkey...People will forget him but your followers will remember what you said about him...
Perenially sick people have come from other site to wash their sins and forget conveniently what they said or did earlier but forget many remember what they said or did...
Raghavan said ...
05-Jul-2018
@ Azim,
You taunted those who tipped Hammersmith. I objected to that. Certainly you could have avoided taunting them. Anyway I am sorry, if I were too harsh on you. Certainly this site is more enjoyable if there are no snide remarks from anyone.
Mysore. One of the most beautiful centers in racing. Too many reputations have taken a beating there. Remember Desert God & Searjent in arms?
Regarding Esoterical. I do not remember the context wherein I opposed or supported Esoterical. Similarly I do not remember about either supporting or opposing you.
BUT ONE THING I AM SURE. THERE ARE NO WINNERS IN THIS VICIOUS GAME.
Once in a way you can win a big amount. On that day you are going home with a broad smile. You will forget for a brief while the 1OOs of miseries that the same game has inflicted on you. If I have not grilled Esoterical, at best that may be my idea not to start a long debate with him. Anyway, if you felt that he has made a dubious claim, you could have questioned him directly.
I have totally forgotten that issue. O K. There is a chance I have taken sides then. [though normally I do not take sides]. But you should have ignored that part and continued the debate. As long as you do not use dirty words even in the heat of debate, there is nothing wrong if you expressed your doubts against any claim.
You taunted those who tipped Hammersmith. I objected to that. Certainly you could have avoided taunting them. Anyway I am sorry, if I were too harsh on you. Certainly this site is more enjoyable if there are no snide remarks from anyone.
Mysore. One of the most beautiful centers in racing. Too many reputations have taken a beating there. Remember Desert God & Searjent in arms?
Regarding Esoterical. I do not remember the context wherein I opposed or supported Esoterical. Similarly I do not remember about either supporting or opposing you.
BUT ONE THING I AM SURE. THERE ARE NO WINNERS IN THIS VICIOUS GAME.
Once in a way you can win a big amount. On that day you are going home with a broad smile. You will forget for a brief while the 1OOs of miseries that the same game has inflicted on you. If I have not grilled Esoterical, at best that may be my idea not to start a long debate with him. Anyway, if you felt that he has made a dubious claim, you could have questioned him directly.
I have totally forgotten that issue. O K. There is a chance I have taken sides then. [though normally I do not take sides]. But you should have ignored that part and continued the debate. As long as you do not use dirty words even in the heat of debate, there is nothing wrong if you expressed your doubts against any claim.
Raj said ...
05-Jul-2018
This once again shows how much superior Bangalore trainers are. 4 out of 5 Hammersmith should stay in Mysore he looks like a dud.
Chanakya said ...
05-Jul-2018
@ Abbas J,
Interesting info and data. Unfortunately it will go overboard in case of 99.9% of readers...
@ godzilla & others,
A first timer, running a mock race in 1m 29s ( class VB) time can never win...
track work,even if COOKED, will indicate the outcome in the real race...
Interesting info and data. Unfortunately it will go overboard in case of 99.9% of readers...
@ godzilla & others,
A first timer, running a mock race in 1m 29s ( class VB) time can never win...
track work,even if COOKED, will indicate the outcome in the real race...
Godzilla said ...
05-Jul-2018
Guys
Reliably learnt that Hammersmith ran with Tongue Strap which was declared just before loading.
I dont know whether it is an offence. There are doubts whether the horse was not comfortable with TS.
The Stewards should investigate and the truth should be known to one and all. If this is true, the horse in all fairness should have been withdrawn. Mysore Stewards owes an explanation.
Reliably learnt that Hammersmith ran with Tongue Strap which was declared just before loading.
I dont know whether it is an offence. There are doubts whether the horse was not comfortable with TS.
The Stewards should investigate and the truth should be known to one and all. If this is true, the horse in all fairness should have been withdrawn. Mysore Stewards owes an explanation.
Vvb said ...
05-Jul-2018
There was announcement before race ,horses in paddock .Has anybody considered ?
Equipement chenge for Hammersmith---tounge strap added which was not in mock race, same has not suited to him ,so ran zigzag.
I played Sakura for same reason.
Equipement chenge for Hammersmith---tounge strap added which was not in mock race, same has not suited to him ,so ran zigzag.
I played Sakura for same reason.
Azim said ...
05-Jul-2018
Godzy
Yea here not the matter of wining a losing.we r discussing the topic let it be discussed completely in a healthy way.
U r talking about sea quest and comparing it with Hammersmith.there is lots of difference between sea quest and Hammersmith. Sea quest played by only trainer owner and close club members becoz they hide this horse till last time. And about Hammersmith pessi created hype over this horse and loots punter money. That's what iIwas explaining never run behind hype horses.
Raghvan
M not justifying my choice read it carefully godzy stated that oomph is pace maker this time he came from behind and finish 2nd.even venus bay finishes ahead of Hammersmith.
And Yea u truly said there are no experts only donors they known as a punter.
And uInever claim m better tipster than anyone.there r thousand of people who r experts and better than me and many more.
M not happy that Hammersmith loss the race uIwas just explaining how people runs behind hyped horse and how gone mad by just one mock race.
And raghvan u r the one who oppose me in chanakya thread too when one guy claimed named as ESORERICAL from mysuru that he earn approx 3_4 lakhs in one month by racing and iIchallenged him to proof.he got one winner in 5 bets in Mumbai season that too fav and u were telling he is in plus. Brother he posted 11 bets in Mumbai season out of 11 he failed in 10 bets. U never replied after that on that thread y?? Just to apposed my statement don't bark always see the facts and than talk Mr raghvan ??
Yea here not the matter of wining a losing.we r discussing the topic let it be discussed completely in a healthy way.
U r talking about sea quest and comparing it with Hammersmith.there is lots of difference between sea quest and Hammersmith. Sea quest played by only trainer owner and close club members becoz they hide this horse till last time. And about Hammersmith pessi created hype over this horse and loots punter money. That's what iIwas explaining never run behind hype horses.
Raghvan
M not justifying my choice read it carefully godzy stated that oomph is pace maker this time he came from behind and finish 2nd.even venus bay finishes ahead of Hammersmith.
And Yea u truly said there are no experts only donors they known as a punter.
And uInever claim m better tipster than anyone.there r thousand of people who r experts and better than me and many more.
M not happy that Hammersmith loss the race uIwas just explaining how people runs behind hyped horse and how gone mad by just one mock race.
And raghvan u r the one who oppose me in chanakya thread too when one guy claimed named as ESORERICAL from mysuru that he earn approx 3_4 lakhs in one month by racing and iIchallenged him to proof.he got one winner in 5 bets in Mumbai season that too fav and u were telling he is in plus. Brother he posted 11 bets in Mumbai season out of 11 he failed in 10 bets. U never replied after that on that thread y?? Just to apposed my statement don't bark always see the facts and than talk Mr raghvan ??
Stop Fooling Punter said ...
05-Jul-2018
Some here are not willing to accept their blunders in spite of warnings by many of us here. listed signals below.
Pessi not present though he has been going to ooty for his horses.
Zervan 2nd string jockey give mount inspite of Trevor being there.
Pathetic mock race horse fully ridden.unlike such races.
Odds preopen .70 open .90 closing 1.3 a very clear indication.
Some here kept on giving warnings regrading H''SM ITH YET
Few wore not only blinkers but shut their eyes to reality
Congrats to those who saw through Pesis game. Losers will keep weeping only and blaming some here for what?
Pessi not present though he has been going to ooty for his horses.
Zervan 2nd string jockey give mount inspite of Trevor being there.
Pathetic mock race horse fully ridden.unlike such races.
Odds preopen .70 open .90 closing 1.3 a very clear indication.
Some here kept on giving warnings regrading H''SM ITH YET
Few wore not only blinkers but shut their eyes to reality
Congrats to those who saw through Pesis game. Losers will keep weeping only and blaming some here for what?
Raghavan said ...
05-Jul-2018
Azim bhai,
Godzilla and his camp followers were beaten. No doubt about that.
But I find your justifying your Choice Oomph a bit amusing. Except those who pointed Sakura as possible winner, all others are sailing in the same boat.
Oomph finished 2nd. And those who selected Oomph have no business to mock those who selected Hammersmith.
Experts?? There are no experts in racing world. Only donors. They [donors] are collectively called punters. The best tipster will be proud if 1/3rd of his choices win. You should not evaluate the competence of experts because of their miserable failure in one race. That too when you also has done nothing better.
That Oomph is a runner up does not in any way makes you better tipster than those others. In a big filed [12 or more runners], the runner up is quite good performance. Not in a five horse field. If you are satisfied that Oomph has beat Hammersmith, then those who selected Venus bay also can feel satisfied for the same reason.
We have no regret that Hammersmith failed. That is not our first failure. That will not be last. A horse, who had credentials won. You say it is owner's doosra. Such self serving arguments will impress no one.
Godzilla and his camp followers were beaten. No doubt about that.
But I find your justifying your Choice Oomph a bit amusing. Except those who pointed Sakura as possible winner, all others are sailing in the same boat.
Oomph finished 2nd. And those who selected Oomph have no business to mock those who selected Hammersmith.
Experts?? There are no experts in racing world. Only donors. They [donors] are collectively called punters. The best tipster will be proud if 1/3rd of his choices win. You should not evaluate the competence of experts because of their miserable failure in one race. That too when you also has done nothing better.
That Oomph is a runner up does not in any way makes you better tipster than those others. In a big filed [12 or more runners], the runner up is quite good performance. Not in a five horse field. If you are satisfied that Oomph has beat Hammersmith, then those who selected Venus bay also can feel satisfied for the same reason.
We have no regret that Hammersmith failed. That is not our first failure. That will not be last. A horse, who had credentials won. You say it is owner's doosra. Such self serving arguments will impress no one.
Godzilla said ...
05-Jul-2018
Azim
Sea Quest won on debut with a record breaking performance. Hence most of the guys believed that Hammersmith can also do a Sea Quest. Nothing wrong in it.
Neither your choice Oomph nor the guys who supported Hammersmith won. As such there is no explanation required from both the camps.
Bury the matter. Let us move on like wise guys.
Sea Quest won on debut with a record breaking performance. Hence most of the guys believed that Hammersmith can also do a Sea Quest. Nothing wrong in it.
Neither your choice Oomph nor the guys who supported Hammersmith won. As such there is no explanation required from both the camps.
Bury the matter. Let us move on like wise guys.
Azim said ...
04-Jul-2018
Mr godzy
It seems only u felt that m challenging to all..
I was just explaining those who blindly supports Hammersmith including u on a basis of just one mock race in which zervan fully ridden out that filly.he won by 4 lengths and some of our good friends gone mad wow just go for it hammersmith Hammersmith Hammersmith.. It's just a wild thinking and lack of knowledge&madness brother.
Regarding oomph run whole racing industry and public knows about DOOSRA.sakura and oomph from the same owner may be he goes with better odds.we all knows oomph always engage with front runner this time Trevose set himself last may be 2 lengths away from the field. Still he manage to beat so called Hammersmith.
If it's not DOOSRA still oomph beats Hammersmith by good margin so u r not in a condition to argue with me brother.
All centers always back hyped horse this industry is not for giving money to the people this is for gaining money from the people. What happens with hot favorite most of the time we all knows still u r arguing about all papers and centers brother.
Regarding zervan what zervan can do if horse is not responding he can not jump from the horse and pull 442 weighted filly till the wining post.
Jockeys are there to guide the horse stamina strength and ability is all related to the horse not to the jockey. Hope u understand.
And for ur kind information iInever follow the track work page of BOL book. I never goes with the mock race.70%may be it's wrong but 30% ihave seen track work created confusion among punters there are many examples.
If real racing can be made up than y can't mock race Mr godzy???
It seems only u felt that m challenging to all..
I was just explaining those who blindly supports Hammersmith including u on a basis of just one mock race in which zervan fully ridden out that filly.he won by 4 lengths and some of our good friends gone mad wow just go for it hammersmith Hammersmith Hammersmith.. It's just a wild thinking and lack of knowledge&madness brother.
Regarding oomph run whole racing industry and public knows about DOOSRA.sakura and oomph from the same owner may be he goes with better odds.we all knows oomph always engage with front runner this time Trevose set himself last may be 2 lengths away from the field. Still he manage to beat so called Hammersmith.
If it's not DOOSRA still oomph beats Hammersmith by good margin so u r not in a condition to argue with me brother.
All centers always back hyped horse this industry is not for giving money to the people this is for gaining money from the people. What happens with hot favorite most of the time we all knows still u r arguing about all papers and centers brother.
Regarding zervan what zervan can do if horse is not responding he can not jump from the horse and pull 442 weighted filly till the wining post.
Jockeys are there to guide the horse stamina strength and ability is all related to the horse not to the jockey. Hope u understand.
And for ur kind information iInever follow the track work page of BOL book. I never goes with the mock race.70%may be it's wrong but 30% ihave seen track work created confusion among punters there are many examples.
If real racing can be made up than y can't mock race Mr godzy???
Godzilla said ...
04-Jul-2018
Azim
Your tone of write up seems to be challenging to all. That should not be. Where is your choice Oomph with Trevor on saddle, still searching for a maiden win. When Sandesh is the retainer of KND, how did you recommend Oomph with Trevor. I suppose you have not comitted a mistake here.
Hammersmith was running green and Zervan was looking pathetic in settling the horse. The horse was running left and right. Some horses win on debut and some needs additional equipment in improving the running.
All Centres backed Hammersmith and the entire media did anticipate a win of HS on debut. People in the whole world are not fools.
Your tone of write up seems to be challenging to all. That should not be. Where is your choice Oomph with Trevor on saddle, still searching for a maiden win. When Sandesh is the retainer of KND, how did you recommend Oomph with Trevor. I suppose you have not comitted a mistake here.
Hammersmith was running green and Zervan was looking pathetic in settling the horse. The horse was running left and right. Some horses win on debut and some needs additional equipment in improving the running.
All Centres backed Hammersmith and the entire media did anticipate a win of HS on debut. People in the whole world are not fools.
Azim said ...
04-Jul-2018
Congrats to those who chose Sakura.oomph from dhubjiboy and Sakura also. They goes with suitable odds.
But what happened with Hammersmith followers. Los its really pity howmost of the our friend gone mad with just mock race and chose the foolish filly.only one thing was in favor of Hammersmith she is a full sister of Windsor forest that's it. Mock race is mick race and real race is real race. Jago grahak Jago.wake up guys.
But what happened with Hammersmith followers. Los its really pity howmost of the our friend gone mad with just mock race and chose the foolish filly.only one thing was in favor of Hammersmith she is a full sister of Windsor forest that's it. Mock race is mick race and real race is real race. Jago grahak Jago.wake up guys.
Godzilla said ...
04-Jul-2018Hammersmith ran like a dud. Zervan was not able to settle the horse in the straight.
Ace1 said ...
04-Jul-2018ANYONE but HAMMERSMITH
Old Boy said ...
04-Jul-2018
Watch the mock race of Hammersmith and then compare with the run of Oomph in PBMM.
First jockey of Manjri, Trevor is booked on Oomph. Shroff is preserving all his horses for Pune season and they are just summering in south.
Oomph must prevail over this FRIENDLY field for her maiden win.
Good luck to connections.
First jockey of Manjri, Trevor is booked on Oomph. Shroff is preserving all his horses for Pune season and they are just summering in south.
Oomph must prevail over this FRIENDLY field for her maiden win.
Good luck to connections.
Starone said ...
04-Jul-2018
SAKURA RIDDEN BY A SANDESH SHOULD WIN THE RACE.......
SAKURA HAS ALREADY WON 1400 M VERY COMFORTABLY....
A SANDESH PARTNERING KND'S HORSE ....PREFERENCE OVER OOMPH.....
HAMMERSMITH WILL WIN SOME OTHER DAY....AT GOOD ODDS
TODAY ONLY SAKURA...................
SAKURA HAS ALREADY WON 1400 M VERY COMFORTABLY....
A SANDESH PARTNERING KND'S HORSE ....PREFERENCE OVER OOMPH.....
HAMMERSMITH WILL WIN SOME OTHER DAY....AT GOOD ODDS
TODAY ONLY SAKURA...................
Abhay...pune said ...
04-Jul-2018
H NO-4-SAKURA
Abbas J said ...
04-Jul-2018
Hello All,
I think Sakura will win the race if he runs late, Due to Mayson never run more than 6 furlong / 1200 meters race.
Horse # 4 SAKURA
MAYSON(GB) - SMOKE RING(IRE)
gr f
Mr & Mrs K N Dhunjibhoy Rep. Five Stars Shipping Co Pvt Ltd
Trainer S S ATTAOLLAHI Jockey Sandesh
Information about MAYSON(GB)
Racing silks of David Armstrong
Sire Invincible Spirit
Grandsire Green Desert
Dam Mayleaf
Damsire Pivotal
Sex Stallion
Foaled 16 May 2008
Country Great Britain
Colour Bay
Breeder Highfield Farm
Owner David Armstrong
Cheveley Park Stud
Trainer Richard Fahey
Record RUN 18 TIMES : WIN 5-PLACE 4-SHOW 3
Earnings £417,649
Major wins
Abernant Stakes (2012)
Palace House Stakes (2012)
July Cup (2012)
Mayson (GB)
b c 2008 Invincible Spirit (IRE)-Mayleaf (GB)(Pivotal (GB))
OwnerMr David W Armstrong
TrainerRichard Fahey
BreederHighfield Farm LLP
Last WinNewmarket Sat, 14th Jul, 12 20/1, P Hanagan
Days Since Last Win2181
Last RunLongchamp Sun, 7th Oct, 12 2nd, 3/1Fav, P Hanagan colours
StatisticsRunsWinsPlacesWin %€Earnings€1 Level Stk
Lifetime (Flat)185727.78%€411731.42€15.89
Past FormEntriesNewsQuotesRelated ToForm Timeline
2012
2014
2016
2018
Show All RunsWins OnlyDate Course ConditionsRace ResultJockeyORClass
07Oct12 Lon 5f Good to Soft 2y+ F(291K)9-10[3/1F]bf2nd of 18, nk behind Wizz KidP Hanagan
14Jul12 New 6f Heavy 3y+ F(400K)9-5[20/1]1st of 12, 5L to The ChekaP HanaganRated 1101
30Jun12 New 6f Heavy 3y+ F(55K)9-7[7/1]5th of 9, 13.75L behind MaarekT HamiltonRated 1101
16May12 Yor 6f Good 3y+ F(106K)9-7[7/2]13th of 13, 52.77L behind TiddliwinksP HanaganRated 1101
05May12 New 5f Good to Soft 3y+ F(55K)9-0[7/2F]1st of 16, 0.75L to DefinightlyP HanaganRated 1101
19Apr12 New 6f Good to Soft 3y+ F(33K)9-5[4/1]1st of 10, 3.5L to Jimmy StylesP HanaganRated 1001
31Mar12 Don 6f Good 3y+ F(33K)9-2[13/2]3rd of 14, 2.75L behind The ChekaT HamiltonRated 1001
05Nov11 Don 6f Soft 3y+ F(30K)9-3[12/1]2nd of 16, nk behind Sirius ProspectP HanaganRated 1001
21Oct11 Dun 5f Standard 2y+ F(40K)9-11[7/1]4th of 13, 1.06L behind Nocturnal AffairD Nolan
01Oct11 Asc 5f Good 3y+ F(35K)8-12[11/1]3rd of 16, 0.31L behind Move In TimeF M Berry1
17Sep11 Ayr 6f Soft 3y+ Hcap(120K)8-13[14/1]21st of 26, 18.03L behind Our JonathanP Hanagan2
13Aug11 Rip 6f Good to Soft 3y+ Hcap(70K)8-13[40/1]3rd of 19, 4.25L behind Pepper LaneD Nolan2
18Sep10 New 6f Good to Firm 2y F(66K)9-1[28/1]6th of 7, 5.50L behind Temple MeadsN Callan1
30Aug10 Rip 6f Good 2y F(30K)9-2[7/4F]bf2nd of 7, nk behind Bathwick BearP Hanagan1
14Aug10 Rip 6f Good 2y F(10K)9-5[5/4F]1st of 5, 0.5L to Chilworth LadP Hanagan3
27Jul10 Goo 5f Good 2y F(60K)9-0[11/2]4th of 12, 2.38L behind ZebedeeP Hanagan1
29Jun10 Ham 5f Good to Firm 2y Mdn(4K)9-3[1/7F]1st of 5, 5L to Baby DriverP Hanagan5
11Jun10 Yor 5f Good 2y Mdn(10K)9-3[13/2]2nd of 10, nk behind Imperialistic DivaP Hanagan3
Symbols Explained
ts2 Tongue Strap vs2 Visor hd2 Hood es2 Eye Shield ec2 Eye Cover cp2 Cheekpiece bl2 Blinkers tt2 Tongue Tie bf Beaten Favourite on Last Run
The superscript number on headgear bl2 indicates number of times worn. A plus bl+ indicates more than 10 times where as red background bl1indicates first time.
Regards
Abbas
I think Sakura will win the race if he runs late, Due to Mayson never run more than 6 furlong / 1200 meters race.
Horse # 4 SAKURA
MAYSON(GB) - SMOKE RING(IRE)
gr f
Mr & Mrs K N Dhunjibhoy Rep. Five Stars Shipping Co Pvt Ltd
Trainer S S ATTAOLLAHI Jockey Sandesh
Information about MAYSON(GB)
Racing silks of David Armstrong
Sire Invincible Spirit
Grandsire Green Desert
Dam Mayleaf
Damsire Pivotal
Sex Stallion
Foaled 16 May 2008
Country Great Britain
Colour Bay
Breeder Highfield Farm
Owner David Armstrong
Cheveley Park Stud
Trainer Richard Fahey
Record RUN 18 TIMES : WIN 5-PLACE 4-SHOW 3
Earnings £417,649
Major wins
Abernant Stakes (2012)
Palace House Stakes (2012)
July Cup (2012)
Mayson (GB)
b c 2008 Invincible Spirit (IRE)-Mayleaf (GB)(Pivotal (GB))
OwnerMr David W Armstrong
TrainerRichard Fahey
BreederHighfield Farm LLP
Last WinNewmarket Sat, 14th Jul, 12 20/1, P Hanagan
Days Since Last Win2181
Last RunLongchamp Sun, 7th Oct, 12 2nd, 3/1Fav, P Hanagan colours
StatisticsRunsWinsPlacesWin %€Earnings€1 Level Stk
Lifetime (Flat)185727.78%€411731.42€15.89
Past FormEntriesNewsQuotesRelated ToForm Timeline
2012
2014
2016
2018
Show All RunsWins OnlyDate Course ConditionsRace ResultJockeyORClass
07Oct12 Lon 5f Good to Soft 2y+ F(291K)9-10[3/1F]bf2nd of 18, nk behind Wizz KidP Hanagan
14Jul12 New 6f Heavy 3y+ F(400K)9-5[20/1]1st of 12, 5L to The ChekaP HanaganRated 1101
30Jun12 New 6f Heavy 3y+ F(55K)9-7[7/1]5th of 9, 13.75L behind MaarekT HamiltonRated 1101
16May12 Yor 6f Good 3y+ F(106K)9-7[7/2]13th of 13, 52.77L behind TiddliwinksP HanaganRated 1101
05May12 New 5f Good to Soft 3y+ F(55K)9-0[7/2F]1st of 16, 0.75L to DefinightlyP HanaganRated 1101
19Apr12 New 6f Good to Soft 3y+ F(33K)9-5[4/1]1st of 10, 3.5L to Jimmy StylesP HanaganRated 1001
31Mar12 Don 6f Good 3y+ F(33K)9-2[13/2]3rd of 14, 2.75L behind The ChekaT HamiltonRated 1001
05Nov11 Don 6f Soft 3y+ F(30K)9-3[12/1]2nd of 16, nk behind Sirius ProspectP HanaganRated 1001
21Oct11 Dun 5f Standard 2y+ F(40K)9-11[7/1]4th of 13, 1.06L behind Nocturnal AffairD Nolan
01Oct11 Asc 5f Good 3y+ F(35K)8-12[11/1]3rd of 16, 0.31L behind Move In TimeF M Berry1
17Sep11 Ayr 6f Soft 3y+ Hcap(120K)8-13[14/1]21st of 26, 18.03L behind Our JonathanP Hanagan2
13Aug11 Rip 6f Good to Soft 3y+ Hcap(70K)8-13[40/1]3rd of 19, 4.25L behind Pepper LaneD Nolan2
18Sep10 New 6f Good to Firm 2y F(66K)9-1[28/1]6th of 7, 5.50L behind Temple MeadsN Callan1
30Aug10 Rip 6f Good 2y F(30K)9-2[7/4F]bf2nd of 7, nk behind Bathwick BearP Hanagan1
14Aug10 Rip 6f Good 2y F(10K)9-5[5/4F]1st of 5, 0.5L to Chilworth LadP Hanagan3
27Jul10 Goo 5f Good 2y F(60K)9-0[11/2]4th of 12, 2.38L behind ZebedeeP Hanagan1
29Jun10 Ham 5f Good to Firm 2y Mdn(4K)9-3[1/7F]1st of 5, 5L to Baby DriverP Hanagan5
11Jun10 Yor 5f Good 2y Mdn(10K)9-3[13/2]2nd of 10, nk behind Imperialistic DivaP Hanagan3
Symbols Explained
ts2 Tongue Strap vs2 Visor hd2 Hood es2 Eye Shield ec2 Eye Cover cp2 Cheekpiece bl2 Blinkers tt2 Tongue Tie bf Beaten Favourite on Last Run
The superscript number on headgear bl2 indicates number of times worn. A plus bl+ indicates more than 10 times where as red background bl1indicates first time.
Regards
Abbas
Arrrowoflight said ...
03-Jul-2018Hi friends, One horse for Mysore races on 4/07/2018.
Eat/Lay ==== Hammersmith .
Regards,
Arrrowoflight.
Azim said ...
03-Jul-2018
Hi guys
I saw the mock race of Hammersmith its fully ridden out in mock race. I think on debut to win in this field is too tough for Hammersmith. I feel oomph is more experience and have compete with far more superior field than the mock race of Hammersmith. Oomph will win this race in the hands of Trevor without any difficulty.
I saw the mock race of Hammersmith its fully ridden out in mock race. I think on debut to win in this field is too tough for Hammersmith. I feel oomph is more experience and have compete with far more superior field than the mock race of Hammersmith. Oomph will win this race in the hands of Trevor without any difficulty.
Barkath said ...
03-Jul-2018
Oomph will take this with ease
Kumar_blore said ...
03-Jul-2018
@Azim
Check Mysore race card for tomorrow,you will find the race people are discussing.
Thanks
Check Mysore race card for tomorrow,you will find the race people are discussing.
Thanks
Stop Fooling Punter said ...
03-Jul-2018
Facts one
MUM owners involved in this race. two
Gaikwad is a protégé of pessi In fact their horses are tracked together,
This is to beat the ban on number of horses with a trainer. COMMAN OWNERS ALSO.
A desperate Pessi has entered a horse in MYS summer meeting perhaps for the 1st time.
So race already decided between the two trainers .You all can keep shouting from the roof top of merits of any horse here.
So just enjoy the race and do not part with your money
MUM owners involved in this race. two
Gaikwad is a protégé of pessi In fact their horses are tracked together,
This is to beat the ban on number of horses with a trainer. COMMAN OWNERS ALSO.
A desperate Pessi has entered a horse in MYS summer meeting perhaps for the 1st time.
So race already decided between the two trainers .You all can keep shouting from the roof top of merits of any horse here.
So just enjoy the race and do not part with your money
Cute Girl said ...
03-Jul-2018
Hammersmith is a one horse race followed by Sakura
Azim said ...
03-Jul-2018
Guys but when will be the race we r discussing about yar. No handicaps nothing still we r discussing.
Racebro said ...
03-Jul-2018
Hi Guys,
SAKURA - is by MASON(GB)(Invincible Spirit/Mayleaf) winner of G1 6 furlong race in UK beating quality sprinters.
Sakura ran green in the opener and then Ooty 1000 guineas ridden by Parmar was not interested. Recent winner over 7 furlong with Sandesh.
Oomph is fully exposed therefore no chance.
I am confident its going to be SAKURA with Sandesh on board.
All the Best!
SAKURA - is by MASON(GB)(Invincible Spirit/Mayleaf) winner of G1 6 furlong race in UK beating quality sprinters.
Sakura ran green in the opener and then Ooty 1000 guineas ridden by Parmar was not interested. Recent winner over 7 furlong with Sandesh.
Oomph is fully exposed therefore no chance.
I am confident its going to be SAKURA with Sandesh on board.
All the Best!
Godzilla said ...
03-Jul-2018Golden Girl
Oomph winning...again 4 furlong pace maker......Go for Hammersmith. See the Mock Race and distance covered by Smith to win the race impressively by 4 lengths. Zervan has to only sit, horse will do the rest.
Godzilla said ...
03-Jul-2018
Guys
Zervan on Hammersmith should get odds of 2 to 1 in the small field. Bang with hammer on Hammersmith. It will make an impressive debut.
Be brave. Dont waver and back Smith.
Zervan on Hammersmith should get odds of 2 to 1 in the small field. Bang with hammer on Hammersmith. It will make an impressive debut.
Be brave. Dont waver and back Smith.
Golden Girl said ...
03-Jul-2018
Hammersmith can not win .Oomph is the horse to beat here.
Raghavan said ...
03-Jul-2018
Who will win? This will be answered on Wednesday. Hammersmith in the end may prove you right. But, no body has seen 'tomorrow'.
But, I do not see any reason for so much excitement. From the punter's view point odds would be dampener. On 1st July, in a race, forecast paid 2O/- , Trinella 38. Hammersmith is just a banker to me in my jp pool. Nothing more.
But, I do not see any reason for so much excitement. From the punter's view point odds would be dampener. On 1st July, in a race, forecast paid 2O/- , Trinella 38. Hammersmith is just a banker to me in my jp pool. Nothing more.
Jp said ...
02-Jul-2018
Zervan is riding because he duly followed HIS MASTERS VOICE in riding Captain Courage on Sunday in Tutu's win on Sunday which is owned by the owners of Hammersmith. It is a sort of thanksgiving. The odds also will be better since two other seasoned riders are riding in the same race on horses belonging to the same group. Hammersmith will win. Trevor on Sunday could have ridden CC but why was he freed to ride for anther stable from Chennai because if Trevor had ridden the same way there will be open blame on him to have allowed his retainer's horse to win. Zervan means that punters always will doubt his ability.
Azim said ...
02-Jul-2018
B v Prasad
With all respect brother I suggest u whenever u open a thread for the the perticular event and when u selecting a winner please try to give a valid reason with full explanation. One liner didn't justified the topic brother.
With all respect brother I suggest u whenever u open a thread for the the perticular event and when u selecting a winner please try to give a valid reason with full explanation. One liner didn't justified the topic brother.
Stop Fooling Punter said ...
02-Jul-2018
H'SMITH owned by Shapoorji yet in spite of Trevor there Zervan is riding WHY?
DH''BHOYS have 2 horses one of them will win
DH''BHOYS have 2 horses one of them will win
Godzilla said ...
02-Jul-2018Yes Mr. BV Prasad
Hammersmith is poised to score. Most likely Travel or Zervan will be partnering Smith.
Jp said ...
02-Jul-2018
Such a poor field with 3 horses belonging to one group.You can decide if you can decode the person who is going to decide which one should win. When is this trainer came to munch grass in smaller pastures? When there is nothing you have to keep your flocks together by grazing everywhere.
Manish said ...
02-Jul-2018
Dear BVS
There is not one but manny smiths, who can hammer down hammersmith.
There is not one but manny smiths, who can hammer down hammersmith.
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