No body answered/clarified my point. Why did the stewards took so much of time to announce the result? If the camera failed what happened to the official timer? On what basis  the timing was declared in the result? Why the timing for first place only and not for the others who finished the race which is the normal procedure.

Simply because the results were announced we cannot take it as the gospel.

@ Manish,

I think Godzilla has gone to race course.   He said he had his bet over phone. Either way let us cheer his winnings. 

@ S C Sharma

It seems you are not in any mood to take back your statement.  O K.  You stand by your version.  Hope you will treat this episode be treated as closed chapter.

Sharmaji

Why there is no defence from your side in the thread Good Horses turned duds ? I expect your views on the same. 

Sharma Bhai Saheb

Freedom of speech or writing prevails all over the world. Even top leaders like President Trump and PM Modi are not spared and the media and opponents use choicest words in criticising them.

I feel you will recommend legal action if someone is not able to control and farts. 

From your write up, I guess, you become emotonlal at the slightest matter, which you cannot digest.

Look at manish, he provokes and pokes me from the begining. I take it in my stride and move on.

Life will be pleasant, if you dont take things seriously. Be a sport.

Raghavan: .You have every right to express dissent, protest and appeal but not in a way like everything is manupilated as alleged by your learned friend. In every sport all are not winners but losers say everything is manupilated than why you are participating? You doubt the fairness and still want to play? Your learned friend number of times created doubts and confusion in the minds of punters and he has no guts to appeal and fight where it is to be? He must thank RWITC that they have not taken any legal action. I agree with your contention that even court decision can be put for review through appeal. But at HT forum no decency, decoram is maintained. What words are being used for other fellow writers and when they reply in the same language and expose them they simply runaway. Be sportive and enjoy the sport and if you doubt everything which is not in your favour than nobody can help you. I am forced to clarify because so many unrelevent things are blown out of proportion to justify one man right, and who always in my opinion is not right. I have full respect for you and personally I am not against anybody till he supports  truth.

raghavan sir

I dont need any "regret" from anyone. As far betting over phone, one can do it, over the kind of relationship you maintain. I need not elaborate.

Its my pleasure I may go to RC or not.  Hope I need not take permission from manish.

@Raghavan,

the point what godzy makes are basically silly.  He should stick to the point and not make unnecessary comments.  In the earlier thread, he says, that he has stopped visiting Race course for the past 1 year and more.  (Though, occassinally, he makes claims of his winnings).  Then he says that he bet.  When i reminded him of his earlier bluff, he resorted to cell phone bet.  Tell me one bookie, who takes a 5000 bet on phone?  Sometimes he will say that he will stop tipping as his tips are not appreciated or so on, as is people will go on hunger strike if he does not tip.

These silly comments makes me laugh and i just like poking him on his mistakes and contradictory statements.

Technology improved, we can change the results in photo finish .

Manish,

Godzilla had backed 5000 on Bunting.  That point I will agree.  I hope others also agree.  

Now you are raising a doubt because on an earlier occasion Godzilla was critical of bookie's behaviour.  Godzilla is in spot.  He has tried to explain that his bet was through his cell phone.

Actually, Godzilla might have visited the Race Course.  There is nothing wrong if he had thundered that he will not visit the race course, but broke that promise.

I may add one thing.  Quitting race betting is the most easiest thing in this world.   There are many who have quit race betting at least 100 times.  At least half of the punters must have sworn on Lakshmi, Saraswathi, Mother etc that they will not visit Race course again.  In less than a week they will reappear.  So, no fault on Godzilla even if he had visited Race course, ignoring his earlier promise.

Continued...

@ S C Sharma,

What  race judges said has to be accepted.  That is correct.  We have accepted.  (of course not I, there was no betting at BNG).  The decision of stewards is always correct and binding on all.  Bookies paid to those who backed Arashi.  It is a settled issue.  But do you mean to say we are not supposed to even post a dissent note?   Some decisions even by Supreme Court are questioned/commented by well meaning people.  And this is race stewards decision.  I do not think it should be held sacrosanct.  

S C Sharma,

When the camera failed, there is no way a human eye can correctly identify the winner.  So, RWITC hastily decided on the winner.  No human eye can be so sharp to identify the winner in such close finish.

Arashi may be straight winner, dead heat winner or second.  I do not know.  We have race judges word that Arashi is a winner.  They could have decided 'dead heat' as a reasonable verdict.  No body would have objected, including those who had backed Arashi.  The only point I am repeatedly saying is when the camera failed, they could have taken that reasonable decision.

Godzilla is a very senior punter.  And he has opened a dialogue on seemingly hasty decision of stewards.  People are welcome to question his statement, but such questioning should be fair and reasonable.  I  think it shall be right on your part to post a 'regret' note addressed to  Godzilla.  I do not think that  Godzilla  is speaking though his wallet.  I do not say RWITC judges are wrong.  I only say that Godzilla's objection in this instance  has some merit.

Godzilla:

A small arithmetic calculation for whatever it is worth.  You would have won 40k if Bunting was declared winner.  But, if dead heat was declared, you would not have won 20k.  You would have got 22,500, (17500 profit).

So you backed Caveello Velace.  Congrats.  

5000 bet on a cellphone.  You are right, the bookies need to learn many things..

There is some element of doubt in the official result.Godzi gets my thums uo. If the photo finish camera was not working then the offcials should have gone with the official timing which gives upto 3 decimal like 1:11:431.If the two horses finish in the same timing then a dead heat given.In this race RWITC web results show only the timing of the winner and no timing for the rest.So in case of 2nd race. For all the races the timing for all the horses in each race is given. It has to be presumed that the timer was also not working. Do the people who are opposing Godzi have an answer ?

Official verdict is there So to in case of drug related disqualifications and revised results. The gamble goes and money is made or lost

People blindly shoudnt support the club.If they are wrong we have to point out and when we have a forum like this.t

Last year or so RWITC web carried the wrong horse as highest stakes earner and I pointed out to them and it was corrected the next day.

manish

We dont live in stone age. Agreed ? You will also agree without visiting RC, one can bet, using cell .

Write something sensible.

Mr Sharma

No one cries. We only highlight misdeeds. If you cant bear with the same, dont read. Thats all.

Punters analysis based on what they play and accordingly they applause and abuse, appreciate and criticise. But every one has to respect the verdict. If the verdict would have gone in favour of Bunting than those who played Arashi wouldwhave done the same thing as mentioned by Godzilla that the race is manipulated. Everything is shown you on TV and everything is on record with vedios. Simply because of a media report  or because you bacjed Bunting you can't blame RWITC and supporting the truth you can't make me RWITC spokesperson. Yesterday while appreciating LVR Deshmukh for five wins  somebody make me his spokesperson. The fact is if somebody doing and delivering good we must appreciate and when performed below his potential  and done something really wrong we equally criticised them.  This point is to be understood. Racing is not only playing and if results are not in favour than crying or abusing.

Mr. Sharma

I dont think RWITC appointed you as their spokes person.

Why do you bring Punjabi Girl into the subject. It clearly reveals you search irrelevant ammunition to fire at me.

SC Sharma

There you go with a big defence. Yesterday Pune Times substantiated with a clear photo, wherein not nose but Bunting is short head ahead of Arashi. Do you mean to say the press cook up ?

You are opposing for opposing sake. The commentator was wrong in mentioning Arashi Bunting five times. It all happens in excitement whereas the truth is otherwise. Many times the Commentator mentioned the wrong horse as the winner.  Will anyone declare a Winner based on commentry.

Please look at broader and realistic perspective than imposing faith on someone like Commentator.

Finally, I will make it clear that I dont have grudge on RWITC nor I heroworship anyone. I am straightforward.

@Godzy,

In the other thread you say, you had stopped visiting RC owing to bookies mismanagement, for the past year or so.  And now you say, that you visited RC.  Please decide, what do you intend to post.  Dont just write for the sake of starting a topic.

Star Contender

I dont think before backing PF heavily, you had gone thru Chennai Races Selection column in HT. I had tipped only one horse, namely for Guindy Gold Cup ..CAVALO VELLOCE as Days Best.

CV was tipped by me as Days Best, as the horse belongs to Mr. Arun Alagappan, who is a Chennai based tamil owner.

One should not see the merit of the horses nowadays but look at other angles. What I lost in Bunting, I made 5 folds on CV. 

I will reiterate since the Races are manipulated, we too should adopt different strategy matching with the manipulation. Ha ha ha ha.

Kangra will beat CV next time at Bangalore. Dont touch PF as many have become bankcrupt by betting on this horse.

I watched the video several times and tapping space bar i could stop the video  at the post. ARASHi was the clear winner by nose, in fact they should have shown the video in slow motion and stopping at winning post.

Even the coommentrator ended with ARASHI winnning but he added the word close finish which lead to confusion.

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hey Godzy

Stop crying wolf everytime.

There are so many decision which r more perplexing.

Example when in Kolkata one of Jaiswals horse took out the entire field, race was not declared void.

There was a certain race in Pune where a certain S Breux pulled the horse.

@Godzilla , As I have mentioned earlier in my post..In India the angles of camera r placed such that most often than not the horse on the outside will get the verdict..As for me I thought bunting gets the nod n not dead heat..but if u were in the ring u cud have hedged ur bet for sure when the bookies were offering a decent Odds for the photo finish..I did manage to hedge n stay quits for the race..but if bunting was given the verdict I cud have made some bucks..part of racing.but to a serious senior horse punter.. I suggest to always favour the horse on the outside.That is my serious reading..With all respect to all..THANKS GSL..

Guys Do you all think S. C. Sharmas comments are fair.. . I surely don't think so. Sometimes people get a little too personal for the discomfort of others. I'm sure he would understand what Godzy is trying to tell as a punter. 

GODZILLA: Judges are not aware you backed Bunting . Same way they are also not aware who backed Arashi or Bottega Louie. They took lot of time and shown the race more than once before declaring the winner. RWITC official web_site given the detailed placing and Arashi won by nose in a time of 1.11.861. The last half furlong race was so close and Sandesh and Leigh Roche put everything into it to get the final result in their favour. You cannot take credit from Leigh Roche for his brilliant riding. In fact commentrators repeated five times in last 50 metres Arashi and Bunting and ended the sentence Arashi and Bunting in a absolute close finish.                           On the other day in Kolkata when your pick Punjabi girl failed and performed poorly, instead of complimenting David Allan's riding you mentioned the race as manupilated. What we backed that has nothing to do with the result and we cannot doubt the fairness of judges. Still the recorded vedio is available at RWITC website. No doubt you picked the correct horse  at a good price but destiny favoured the other one. Accept waqt se pehle aur naseeb se jyada kuch bhi nahi....instead of blaming. Your analysis always end with blame game like " Pathetic Pune" that time also you levelled very serious allegation against RWITC. I totally differ and disagree with you. You are creating confusion and your questioning is not with good intentions. You are having a personal grudge against RWITC.

brother godzy, you would have made good 40k, see what srinath did to prevelent force, he purposely kept it inside and tried all his best to bring it from outside in the last 40 meters, when the race was over, he just took away my one lkh at 95 paisa.what d you say,

TRUE  OUR FATE IS IN THE HANDS OF THE JUDGES.

"THATS WHY PEOPLE CONDEMN RACING".

Dear Godzilla

U r saying as if u r in ur early days of racing..There are hundreds of incidents where Second came Horse by a nose was declared the winner...

In racing...u must be at race club on time...the horse that u bet must have a good start at the gates....even though the horse is in great form,all it's connections must be interested that day and attend the club with their families........no attempt of doosra must be made by trainer......the horse must really win....and even if it wins, it should be declared as winner.......and no objection or stewards enquiry must be opened on account of the race club losing large amounts to punters if it's a fluke...

All these points are there between u and ur 20k....u can lose anywhere!!

Sir I too played 1k at 8/1   it's clear win by sandesh but don't know why they gave for foreign jockey pls do somthsome for it or else it should be deed hit

I did not have a bet in this race but arashi won with much left in the tank Leigh Roche did not extend the mount so from my point of view the better horse won.

Godzi you would have made 40k by backing 5k @ 8-1 ..

There is no chance they could decide arashi winner when cammera failed both should have been winner but they have poured there money on arashi due to that this result