Dear reader

Yesterday  have given Number pattern for Sunday Mumbai meeting of which

1.)4 winners i.e 1-3, 3-3 ,6-7& 7-7 of which 7-7 was 10/1.

2.) 2 came 2nd i.e. 2-2 &5-4

and one failure 4-1.

Ranga,

So you had a profitable day at Kolkata.  A good number of winners as per your claim.  I am not sure whether you were taking pot shots at numerology masters or stating the true facts. 

The problem is even if you are taking pot shots at numerology masters, we can express doubts about only your claim of win in the last race!   Whether it is joke or fact, on 16th, Kolkata horses were punter friendly in at least 4 of the 7 races. 

I had jackpot ticket for 360/-, with 6 horses nominated in 5th leg.  But Shelar (no-5) scored, that I had not included.  Got 64 x 6 consolation.  

Larry,

My posts were not written with the idea of belittling your confidence in numbers theory.  You see, every racegoer will have his own fixations about any theory. However authentic, there will be naysayers in respect of every theory.  But you persue according to your intuition and do not worry about doubt masters like me.   We only expect you to take sportingly our dissent note.  Keep posting your ideas whenever possible.  

Best of luck.

@Raghavan,

You’re absolutely right, it’s primarily racing merits, and then, application of numerolgy.

Let me give you one more example. On Sunday, for Bombay races I was strong on 1/8, and I had tipped Flying Visit, and Kariega as good bets, purely because I could not see beyond them based on racing merits, and their draw nos were 1 & 8, so that made them my day’s best bets.

Now CRK went one step ahead and tipped Transform along with these two because he was strong on no. 3, and all of them were card no. 3.

Now if I knew how he derived that no. 3, and if he had an idea about how I was strong on 1/8, these three horses were confident roll bets for both of ua because all three were card no. 3 and draw nos 1 or 8.

I’m just trying to say that numerology plays a very important part, and many a times when I find that a horse picked on racing merits failed, and a huge fluke has won, 90% of the times that has turned out to be very strong based on numerology, and it’s only because it did not show any racing merits that I did not work out numerology there, because obviously, working that out for all the horses is not possible for lack of time.

Mum 6th win either 3 or 4.

Mum 5th. Win 12 good.

Mum 4th. Win/place no.6 Turaco. No.5 has come on board last race so a good chance. Will disregard other horses for win.

Mum 3rd. Win 7.place1.

Dear Readers

Today's Mumbai  Number pattern

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1-3,2-2,3-3,4-1,5-4,6-7&7-7

all the best!

Friend's yesterday I have used numerology to maximum advantage. 

My first bet was 9 win. Draw 5. It won. Second race played 1 as 1-6 draw =5 it won????

Third race draw 6 as usually draw number repeats once a day. Fourth race horse 7 draw 3=4 tallied to winning horse # in 3rd race .

Fifth race horse 2 draw 6. By dividing I got 3. Which tallied to 4th race draw 3. Draw 6 was strong 2 winners so repeat logic again  .6 the race 4 drawn 8 won. Difference was 4. Tallied to race 5 where horse 2 draw 6 won. Last race draw 10 was easiest as in previous race no 4 won . 6 th race. 6-4=10

By the time I could count winnings it was past midnight. Got up late. Hence posted late. Use same logic today. Earn millions.

Larry,

I can grasp only this much from your post.

"Study the race card, shortlist the top contenders by using conventional methods (past performance, track work, jockey profile), and then take a decision based on which number is strong on that day".

In other words, you are saying that it will be profitable if one looks at strong numbers also as an additional criteria particularly when we are in dilemma as to which of the shortlisted horses we should bet.

I do not know about the numbers.  Instead of numbers, I used to go by odds.  Let us suppose that I consider no-7 as the possible winner (out of 10 runners), and the horse is favorie or 2nd favorite, I used to bet 2000/- on that.  Sometimes 5000 also.  But if it is quoted at 8/1, 10/1 or 15/1 etc, I used to skip that race or bet maximum 500 for place.  (For the past 21 months I have completely stopped betting for win/place). 

All along, I was under the impression that you are canvassing only for strong numbers  to locate the winners.  Thanks for your clarification that the number theory you are speaking is only additional pointer and not the main pointer.  Mr Ajoy Shah also more or less said the same thing.  

Best of luck.

@ Larry ,

On 15.3.2019, you mentioned that 2 and 7 will be prominent, which it did. The rulng numbers on that date were 3,6, and 9. Can you kindly explain how you worked out 2 and 7 as the prominent numbers of the day ? Would be obliged to know. 

Thanks

Dear Readers 

Number pattern can't be given before beginning  of first race of day. You have to await for result offirst three/four races & after looking result thereof and see in what pattern numbers are coming for first four placing & their draw Numbers , you can select numbers for win and/ or place but not before you verifies  basic marit of horse(horse past performance, rider's skills, trackworks,owners and trainers past recods).You can avoid  playing   on money hot  favourite if it  card/draw number doesn't  follow  pattern but rather eat the same.

All the best.

Mr Raghavan,

Just to answer your query, on 15th, for Bangalore races, I had posted

"I know, yesterday wasn't that great for my numerolgy studies, however, just one tip for the day. Be very strong on numbers 2 & 7.

3 & 6 may strike in some races, but 2 & 7 will be very prominent. Most of Trevor's mounts have these numbers, so Trevor's fans can go strong on him."

At the end of the day, 2 & 7 indeed were the master numbers for the day, having won in 5 races (either card no. or draw no.), and not being off board in the remaining races. There would't be a single Exacta ticket which passed without 2 or 7 being in the combination.

Now, I was already strong on the numbers 2 & 7, for the day, and that served as my primary influence while making my choices,

As regards your obsevations that one would  have to look at about 60 odd horses to satisfy the numbers theory, well that would be the case for one who has absolutely no knowlede about racing merits; what I'm talking about out here is primarily racing merits, and then application of numerology.

Previous post is incomplete,He used to back huge amounts according to that numbers.It looked like he is winning for some time.That time he even purchased some 15 or 20 discarded horses from that racing baron there.Later what i came to know is that he lost heavyly and transferred a movie theator in Adayar and lands near Pondichery to that  grey haired short Scindhi book maker, to settle the dues.After reading about gambling on numbers this story came to my memory.Brothers, paths are different destination is the same

It is about 20 or 25 years back in Madras race course.One gentleman joined our group in the members enclosure, Big punter category.Every now and then small and big book makers used to come and  say hello to him.One short Scindhi gentleman with grey hair is his bookey.He has never bothered about who is the jockey,trainer or owner.Everyday he used come with one number.He used back

This discusion on Numerology applied to Racing is time immemorial.Unless you had a guru who has some knowledge on Handicapping,most punters hunt for such methods when they start their racing.

I fall in that category and had the misfortune to come across a book by Rasojan(name not sure). Then I graduated to Kabala of numbers and then to Astro Numerology as applied to racing.My very first race I had a winning bet and then for a decade and half I meticulously followed their theories and added my own methods.Alas it was a disaster.

Then I broke off my path and shifted to Handicapping.With lot of effort I gained a reasonable level of skill whereby I have my own system of Ratings and had some success.Now a days due to other pre-occupations I am not participating on Selections Thread but my firm belief is that a calculations based appeoach is always recommened compared to chance repetition of numbers.

Analysis of numbers and organising them into patterns is easy after the races but on the race course your mind will be totally confused with lots of numbers.

This is my personal view.

@raghavan. Will write predictions on this post for tomorrow Mumbai before each race as there is no other forum to post in real time. I have stopped punting as offcourse centres have closed in Mumbai  n it's a headache to go to the course, I don't even buy the book.

Thank u @larry for your post. 

all punters select various tools to come up with a winner like Handicapping,    Jockey, trainers,big owners, gambling groups etc. Numbers theory also will assist as a added tool to select. Of course as said before,studying the book is the first basic requirement. After shortlisting horses we come up with a few which have a chance to win. Any methodology which can narrow it down further is definitely most welcome. This was the premise of my posting this thread. No  one is 100% perfect otherwise most punters and myself included would be multi millionaires (I am positively not).

Larry

First about my bets.

In race no. 1, I took  box forecast (1,2,7).  8 tickets.  480/-.  I also took 127/127/127/11,8 exacta.   For 120/-. No-7 was board out.  But no-11 scratched.  And I got 60/- refund.  For forecast, I got 1648/-.  A somewhat satisfactory amount.

Next race I risked 400/- .  Gone.

Third race : Skipped.

Fourth race: 1,7/1,7,8/1,8,7 .tanala 10 tickets 400/-. Got  2240/=. 

5,6,7 Three races.  Lost 1100/-.  

8 & 9 skipped.  

So, I played 6 races.  Skipped 3.  Lost in 4 races.  2 races my selections proved right.  

Perhaps, in those 2 races,  there may be several thousand winners.  The forecast in the first race was horse no 1-2.  And according to  cctv display, the fancied horses are 7,1,2,11.  So, I just took forecast (712).  In the 4th race also,   1,7 & 8 were top three fancies.

I am not belittling you.  You are coming with certain theory and claim the results were according to pattern.  I do not have any knowledge on number's theory and just asking some direct & sharp questions.

You have given lengthy explanations.  But, that hardly matters.  In race betting we want only one number.  If you give 4 numbers (2,7,4,5) and also say that horses with card no and/or box no 2,7,4,5 are very strong then I must say in a card of 9 races we may have to bet on over 60 horses.     

If you had success by following number's pattern, then my congratulations.  

Mr. Ajay Shah,

May I take the liberty of writing on your behalf to try prove to some pessimists and naysayers out here how strong numerology is.

Let's look at today's reults.

1-9-2-1-7-7-2-5-4

5-5-9-4-1-2-2-2-4

Considering the 1st 4 races....

Draw nos for first two races was 5, draw 9 won next race, so considering that the pattern of 5 should complete the trend, I considered 9+5=5 and 9-4=5, so I was strong on draw nos 4&5, and we had draw 4 winning and draw 5 placing 2nd.

We had a trend in the card nos as well, though it was a bit difficult to figure out, but I was lucky enough that the first number (1) that I tried matched the draw (4) that I got above. The trend that worked there is 9+2=2 and 1+1=2.

Now moving on to the next 4 races.

Card nos for races 5,6,7 were 7-7-2

Draw nos were 1-2-2

In the card nos we had two 7s, now along with 2 it's 5 that completes the sequence of 7, also, in draw nos we had 2 and 2 (a vertical force of 2), which means either 2 or 7 were strong, but 2 completed our trend, so that came across as a good bet.

Talking about vertical force, we had a successful one in card nos as well wherein 7-7-2 won 4th, 5th, and 6th race.

Lest someone comes up once again with the excuse that it's easier to figure out the pattern at the end of the day, thought that I'd let them know that I've been indulging in numerolgy at races from the time I started off in racing, so it's not a novice wasting time just to gather attention. In fact, if you guys check my post for 15th March Bangalore selections, I had mentioned that 2&7 would be prominent, and was pretty strong on Trevor's mounts because of those numbers, and the result was that 5 out of 9 winners had 2/7 as card or draw no, and there was not a single race that 2/7 did not place.

A long one, I know, but there might be many for whom these observations would be useful, and I wish them all the very best.

My purpose in posting such a lengthy one is because when I started off I had nothing like this forum, or anybody else for guidance, but today, with the knowledge that I have, if I can impart a bit of that to someone who cares to learn it, and if they profit from it, that would make it worth the time I spent in posting this.

Even today I e 15 03 19 Trevor Patel's winning mount in Races No. 5,6 &7 all had  draw No.2.Is it just coincidence  or  particular Number pattern?!

VNS,

My bets on 14th:  First race 400 gone. (6-1, 1-6 forecast 20 tickets each.  2nd race another 180/= (jackpot) gone.  Only Nostradamus would have nominated No-10 in leg 2. Then skipped.  And thereafter took 3 treble tickets 7/2,3,4/3,4,8.  For 270.  Collected 900/-.  The 7 was banker & horses in the following legs  were the top 3 fancies.  Did not follow any theory of numbers. 

What I wanted has been more simply and with much clarity has been said by Dr Bashaar.  My thanks to him.  Whether, such patterns can be guessed or thught of one day in advance.  Obviously  no. Ajoy shah waits for completion of 2 or more races before he can predict the result of subsequent races.   I wish him all the best. 

Ajoy Shah,

Your theory might have worked in your recent trials.  Anyway, would like to hear from you when you can catch a fluke (8/1 or more),  purely based on pattern.  

Also if the 2nd place horse jumps to 4th in the 2nd race u can be certain that number will come 2nd again in 3rd race.

See the numbers favour a horse to win but if it is not on job or trying than cannot help.

@Dr.Bashaar

Have explained sequences theory in reply to @raghavan. Just putting down some basics to enable to understand. Can't give placement before races.only after couple of races. Write down horizontally the 1st 4 placing of race 1 and the respective draw numbers and continue writing below.

1) a winning number which jumps to 2nd or 4th will win again in next couple of races.

2) any number which appears in the first or second race ,will jump and come back to that position only 95%of times.

3)check the 1st 2draw numbers of 1st race. Again 90% times u will notice winning draw to repeat or the 2nd number repeating in the same position.

4. 1 n 8,2 n7,3 n 6, 4 n 9 and 5 n 10 are + n - respectively.

5. 2 is followed by 4,3 by 5, 5 by 2. Is generally the pattern.

There are many such theories to understand. 

With quite accuracy u can predict failing of a favorite for lay betting. Instance if u notice a number jumping only one place at a time and the win or draw number of fav is in the 3rd place in previous race u can confidently lay.

It's a wait n play system. 

It was only observation  based on topic " racing & number"

@raghavan. There are quite a few theories and pointers when dealing with these numbers which is not possible to explain here. However following were results of Mumbai races on given dates.

On 7th. Just win sequence was

5-3-4-2-4-3. U should write it vertically for better grasping. Pattern formed only on the 5th race .So after 3-4-2-4 u can expect either 2 or 3 to come to complete the sequence. 3 won.

On 10th it was 2-3-1-3-1-2. Again pattern was formed on 4th race. So in 5th race expect either 1 or 2 to win. Once 1 won in the 6th race u could be quite certain that 2 will win as it completes the sequence. See getting 2 or 3 wins plus few places is maximum u can get in a day. Once a sequence is complete we have to wait again. So 7th race no.4 is a new number.

On 14th. It was the draw numbers which was forming sequences. They were 8-7-8-2-8. (2 n 7 r positive n negative respective). Draw Number 8 won then jumped to 4th place in 2nd race(1 n 8 r same) and so it came 1st in 3rd and again jumped to 4th n came 1st in 5th.

Horse 10 had draw 8 in the 3rd race. But it is difficult to play such a horse thinking it has done nothing.

Like I said patience is required in this system. U have.to wait  a few races to understand the numbers. I do not follow day or names or planet numbers so cannot pinpoint in the first few races. Apart from pure sequence there r certain ways a number jumps etc which not possible here. 

Race and numbers is baseless and punters study has is enough and random repeat of the winner number can be looked by glance on the racing day not an hour before but hour later.

Yes @raghvan. Will post how those winners came.  

Mr.VNS,

What Mr.Raghavan has asked is ..whether such pattern can be predicted before the start of the 1st race ?(sothat more punters can use it for their benefit ) ( well it may not be very easy ..fine ). As and how the day ( trend ) progresses, you may be able to predict it. ( depending on the previous race results) ..fine.

Now my question is ..if Trevor's horse with draw number 6 lost in the 1st race, how much confidence one can have to make a lay bet in the 2nd race ( just because the draw number is 6 ). I believe that racing is not that easy.

At the end of the day,after all the results are announced it is easy to keep the numbers together and arrive at the trend. What Mr.Raghavan has pointed out is..whether there is any such formula with which one can predict the outcome of the next race ( based on the previous race results ) and take a solid jump.

For eg. Your own theory.. if the favourite horse with a particular draw number loses in the 1st race and if the same jockey is riding the favourite horse in the next race  ( with same draw number ) can we be rocksure that it wont win ? ( from today onwards ) I doubt whether we can take such solid decision ( based on numbering alone ).

Mr.VNS,please dont interpret that I am challenging your observation..No.please dont interpret that way. Your observation is good.No doubt. But whether we can utilise this theory in the next racing days ( if we come across a similar situation ). I feel that even if we conclude with say 150 theories ( yours is one among such ).. there will be always a 151st hidden theory, which may come to surface on that particular day ( when all the 150 theories that you have been able to store till then may become ineffective on that particular day ) Isnt it ?

Please accept my apologies if I have made you feel bad. Sorry in advance.

Dr.Bashaar

Races in Mumbai on 14 05 19 shows amazing number story;

1. Trevor Patel rode 5 mounts;

2. 3 well backed mount 1-6,2-1&4-5 lost & all had draw No. 6.

3. 2 Chance bet 5-2 & 6-2 both won with good odd ,had draw No.8.

isn't  is amazing?!