Hello Chanakya,

I have always believed in performance on track to be the true value to judge a horse ( on hindsight ). They reflect the correct picture. Remaining are inconsequential for me. Inconsequential in the sense that since the performance is already known the other factors play a minor role.

All the DI Index and so on and so forth, I believe, do not represent the true values. The final proof lies in their performance and I use that to judge the calibre of any horse.

regds,
Cruise

@ Cruise<,

your pointers  about Burden of Proof (BOF)  are  correct but  wher  will you  put  him  as  per  Roman's  numbers - C,Sor P. Though  the  sample  is  small  but  taking  view  of  larger  period when  he  was  active which  Roman 'class'  he  can  be  placed without  any  ambiguity...

Hi Godzy,

I deliberately gave War Hammer so as to check whether you would be able to pin-point the error. But then that ploy of mine failed.

The broodmare sire of War Hammer is Bold Russian.

However, the remaining are factually. correct.

regds,
Cruise

Cruise_Bangalore

Great write up. I expected this sort of reply from you. You have now substantiated with your claim.

Your write up is for new-comers and all punters, who will also acquaint themselves with pedigree records. Everyone must have been missing such write ups for a long time.

Appreciate it.

Hi Godzy,

Am glad to see you retain the zest of old. I recall many of the run-ins that we have had in the past.

Here it seems you have declared WAR on me and are keen to HAMMER me for my views. Well, the BURDEN OF PROOF ( onus ) lies on me in clear the AIR for voicing my SUPPORT  of War Hammer's victory. You digressed from that to only speaking about the staying ability of the gets of late Burden of Proof.

Well, no harm in that.

You see Godzy, unlike you, age seems to have taken a grip over me and my memory ain't as sharp as it was when young. You need to help me out by giving the answers of the following questions. I would appreciate it immensely.

Since you question the staying ability of Burden of Proof, I'll start with The Stayers Cup ( 3000M, Gr.1 ). You will agree that winners of the mentioned race are deemed as true stayers.

Let's get going.

1- CAPTAIN MORGAN won the 2017 edition of the Stayers Cup. Do help me in finding out as to who was the dam sire of him. Speaking of Captain Morgan reminds me of the recent Deccan derby winner Consigliori.

2- CONSIGLIORI won the Deccan derby right from the word go. He made every stride a winning one. Would that be possibly without inheriting stamina? Check out the broodmare sire of him too.

3- In the same breath do check out the dam sire of WAR HAMMER who annexed the 12f Bangalore derby on the bygone Sunday.

4- The 2011 edition of the Stayers cup was won by ARABIAN PRINCE. Do find out the sire of him and let me know. He also happened to be the winner of the Golconda derby ( 12f )

5- Which horse beat the mighty Jacqueline ( winner of 4 Indian classics ) in the Bangalore derby ( 2009 )? Oh yes, I do recall that. It was Aboline.
You will be surprised to know that the Burden of Proof is the sire of Aboline.

6- Who is the highest stakes winner ever in the country? I meant the equine one and not you as a punter. We have read of that ( your glorious success ) in this forum many a time. So, please concentrate on the four-legged one. Clue: He is trained by master trainer Padmanabhan ( the best trainer currently in India. He stands next best to legendary trainer Rashid Byramji ).

7- Which horse has won the gruelling St.Leger trips the most? Check out the sire of him. Hint: The horse is revered as the god of desert.

The questions seem to be getting too many. We'll cut short and further questions will be posed in next.

Before I close for now Godzy, I would like to bring to your knowledge that the Burden of Proof gave a derby winner in his very first crop ( Fantabulous King - 2004-Bangalore derby ). He also sired the fillies trial winner Lindsay as a freshman sire.

From that till as of recent, Burden is the only stallion to have given a derby winner with his first crop as well as when aged 20. No other stallion in Indian racing history has done that.

That will do for now. I shall be back soon with the rest. Meanwhile I'll be waiting for your answers.

regds,
Cruise

@Godzy, 

Belittling a Stallion in Indian situation is not fair. As it is not many Trainers take the trouble of preparing horses for long distance races. Many would not like their wards to run in a graded race. Here horses are prepared and run in sprint races,  irrespective of their pedigree. 

Burden of Proof was a well performed Stallion, who proved his mettle time and again over the years. 

Another Kunigal Stallion Bold Russian was considered by many as an over hyped Stallion .Of course his premature death did not help matters. But then,  he produced Saddle Up,  perhaps the best performed Indian Horse abroad. It is another matter that,  while he ran in India, Saddle Up himself was much underrated and had to live in the shadow of other horses. 

Only Desert God and Salazaar are exceptions. Otherwise, Burden of proof, is at the most a miler. Nothing to boast about it.

Razeen, Riyahi,  Malvado, Multidimensional, Sledgefield,Lord Admiral, Admiralfleet are real stayers.

@godZilla

the answer is desert god

Hi Godzy, Are you new to the horse racing. I never thought you will be so naive... Just two examples.ABS FABS EVEREADY CALCUTTA DERBY STAKES WINNER ON 28.2.2009. SECOND ONE AGOSTINI BANGALORE DERBY WINNER ON 26.01.2014.

GOOD MORNING,

War Hammer is a champion and folks don't be surprised if runs in Indian Derby.

Cruise Bangalore

Can you name one Burden of  Proof progney which has or had won a 2400 mtr Race , other than SALZAAR ?

@Godzilla,

Below is the list

Desert God, Agostini, Arabian Prince, Sur La Tete, New Alliance, Abs Fabs, Chase The Sun etc

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