@Golden Viper,

You are right- in  every  race course  almost 70 to  80% people  buy  the  race book before  entering  the  race course...

I wonder  - How  can  they  win?

  Most  of  them  - if  not  all of  them, are  going  to  lose is - for- written  by  Brahma ...

Impossible  to  change  the FACT...

@ Cruise_ Bangalore,

Pedigree  analysis  has  become  more  complicated  and  difficult  after S Roman has has  dissiciated  himself from  his  numbers...

Change with  time a universal truth and  therefore  needs  some  changes  in  the valuation of  pedigree by  Roman  numbers  or  some  other  methods...

Today 'S' 'P' are  missing  from first  2  or  3  generations  but runners  are  still winning races at 2000m+ with faster  time...

corrections, correct  interpretations, changes  are  needed - who  will  do  that ?

Do  you  have  an  answer?

' .. 

Hello Folks,

There is only one CONSTANT in a race horse and that is the bloodline ( pedigree ).

Rest all are VARIABLES be it the owner, trainer, rider, racing centre, odds, equipments, racing centres, shoes, and other factors. Punters tend to give more importance to the mentioned factors.

I am surprised that nione have considered bloodline to be supreme.

regds,
Cruise

An example to my post earlier..

Div 1 & 2 in Delhi. Played Win/Place after 1st race. 

Hancock race no.147 - 2nd

Master Becket race no.147 - 3rd Favorite 85PS.????

@ all

My  intention to give importance to  skill is not to bring  down  any  other  approach to  find  a winner  but is an  advice  to improve  the - method/study/system   a punter  is/was using  to  find  a winner to END  UP  WITH  POSITIVE  ROI.........

Every punter  uses  some 'method'  to  succeed in  this  game  to  make some  money. Winning a  race  is  NOT  his  aim - coming  out  from race course  with  PROFIT IS  THE  ONLY  AIM...

I don't  need  any  correlation  or  confirmation of  previous  paragraph...

Let  us  accept  ONE  TRUTH...

Most  of  the  punters  will lose everyday/everytime/everywhere...

only few  punters will  come  out  as  winners -everyday/everytie/everywhere...

what  does  it  mean?

The  losers FAILED to  develope the  skill  needed  to WIN , while winners used knowledge/understanding/information(public)  to  improve their  skill and BECOME  WINNERS... 

@ Krish,

I agree  with  your  points - there  goes a 'mental war'  between  bookies  and  punter when odds  move  up as  well  as down.  A punter  needs  the  skill to  'decypher'  the intention  of  the  bookie who  many  times  try  to  mislead by varying odds...

I don't  bet  on  a  favorite whose  odds increase  by  more  than  50% at  the  start of  race ... also even  if  the  odds  go  down if  the  favorite  does  not  satisfy my system i ignore that  favorite..

@ Bharat Raj, 

You  have  given  very  sensible points but  I don't  agree that racing  is  'roulette' which simply depends  on  luck but  in  racing  skill gives  a punter the  'winning edge' ....

@ Raja David P.,

thanks and I reiterate - skill  only can  make  a  punter win, nothing  else - luck  will never help  in  the  long  run... 

@ Mak_ 95,

good points...

@ Ajay shah,

 What  was  true  in  1988-89 is  stil  true  in  2020-2021...

@ DR Harun,

I don't  think  you  are  a  doctor, but  that  is  not  the  issue. I'll  advice you not  to  make  sweeping  statements , especially on subjects/issues/ competitions where you are  a  failure...

My  point  is - if  I am unable  to  win, why  there  are  some,  who  are winning  regularly? what  do  they have/know which I don't have/know  must  be analysed impartially. A  winner  must  be  having  SOMETHING  MORE ( knowledge/intelligence/skill/understanding)   than  the loser who  lacks these qualities...

A perenial  loser  will  blame  everything/everyone except  himself for  his stupidity/mistakes/inability to expose  his frustration and  try, unsuccessfully, to  belittle those  few  winners... 

The statement you need skills and study in racing is very true and correct.

I do not know of other centers but in Delhi 80 % buy books before entering the course. How they manage. Back back down favs or eat favs[ colour gone bad] still over all losers.

Please make your own system but do study before hand.

Study the last 2 run race videos

Watch the horse wt.any thing above 12 kgs shows neglect by the trainer .specially so if the horse is already on top wt.

See the horse coat must be shining and not dull

Other points have been well covered by many.Make racing a game to enjoy.

@ Vinay Gowda - handicapping - correct hndicapping  works truely and consistntly  from  classI to  class VB2...

It  has  worked  in  olden  days  and  still works  today...

@ Jimmy Karanjia,

You  are  an old  timer and  therfore  I'll  give  a mild  reminder that the  points  you  have  raised  are  very  valid  and  true  but  do  not  help a  punter...

@ Anil Xk,

I do not advocate  that  a punter  should  play  all races  of  the  day...

But I do play  all races  of  the  day  because  my  system - ENABLES me to do that !

What  I want to  say- rather  convey  is that to  win  from  races  you  have  to 'develope' a  system to  find  a  winner and  use  a  strategy to  make your  betting 'pay' - means  come  out  with  profit, NOT everyday; but  after  every  week or  every month  or  every  season or year ..........

Squanderer  was  a  great  horse - perhaps  best  Indian horse ever run  on the  Indian turf. He won  President  of  India  gold  cup at  Hyderabad - perhaps  within  a  week after  suffering  from  fever..

Ask RR BYramjee - he  was  the  trainer...

He  was  sent  to  the  stud but  NO ONE  GAVE  HIM A  MARE...

He  lived  happily thereafter.... 

I agree with Godzilla but like to add one or two. Skip 2 years old and 3 years old races and can bet on selected Terms races.

@ Faizan - winning from races  needs skillto  spot  winner or  place-getter, not  any  guesswork...

srinivas - by  betting on all races and  sometimes  on 3 runners  in  the  same race  I've  won  more  than  50 points(= Rs.1,00,000 plus) from  29/12/19  to 22/1/20. The  proof is available in  this  site and  selections are  available  in  tips threads...

L Laxman,- "laying' the  favorite  is  an  art - your  friend  may have  learned  it

@ K Koti - yes  an average punter  can not  win by  betting  on all races of  the  day  he  has  to  create a betting  strategy  to  achieve  that..

.

You can never make money in racing,if at all anyone claims he is lying through his teeth.Per se in gambling you at best may break even but to end plus is impossible.Be it Racing which is the worst one,in cricket i have seen blokes who lost big thanks to catch or catches going down or a misfield 4 which cost them a lambi bet,i have seen the same guy lose when a penalty was muffed and when a free kick hit the cross bar and bounced outside the line.Had all those bets gone through he would have ended huge plus but infact ended big minus.The rule is it never favours the punter come what may,i have seen the guy suffer and get hurt

Godzilla,

I do not completely agree with you. Class II races are very tricky and usually have outsiders as winners. If you see historically in western Insia Class II races are usually the scond last leg of Jackpots where an upset reduces the winning tickets significantly, Hence ectremely unpredictable.

Class I races are very difficult and usually no horse wins consecutive races the wins are distributed among the connections on a round robin bases. Unless you have horse like Oasis Star and Ruffina who can be backed with conviction whenever they run.

Regards,

Jimmy

Thanks, Prinit

Santosh  -  join Prakash gosavi's  class

Favorites.

Only way you can truly win overall is concentrating only on Favorites.Either Play or Eat them. Because you r concerned with only 1 horse in a large field so max.probability is always in your favor. The bookmaker 's real job is to balance the book and make a percentage of the book amount.Thats all.

You need to fix an amount u want to make in a day, maybe it 1000 or 10000 as per your capacity.And be very very Disciplined about this factor. Now u play the favorites till u win the amount u decided or eat the favorite till such time. Either way by  the first 3-4 races u will  reach your destination. Leave. Don't wait feeling that u know a certain winner in the other race and getting tempted. Trouble Is the greed. 

Such a person I knew way back in 1987-88 and that time all he would want is 500 a day. And he was successful.

I have following observation 

1. Lower class and Baccha race eat on money fav.

2. Higher class avoid fav above 1.5 odds.

3.Follow back down horeses.

4. Study owner/traineer/Jockey's performance on favourite.

5. Play place on your choice if  win odds are above 2.

6. Don't be implusive, be within limit. Avoid heavy betting to make loss good

beloved brother, well said, what ever you mentioned in your comment I will try to follow, hope and pray who ever agree with your advice will be gain profit.Thank you with regards,

2nd Favorite for place will be a better choice ausually. In Place we have 3 choices to get money but win we have minimum chances. If we are not able to select the horses for place, then why go for racing. 

@Jimmy

U r right. If we break up racing results it boils down to 2 things.

Potential -of Horse

Intention- of various connections. 

The first we can study and burn the candle light. The second we can never know. And today it is the Intentions which are more prominent than potential.

Hi 

I am not heavy punter , I play in my limits. Thought of sharing few points which help in finding winner/place 

1. Connections - here the jockey and the trainer combination for a try. 

2. Division races ( 2 & 1 ) - mostly after division 2 , we can probably find winners from the same lot. I have played many winner like this. Nowadays ... Club also framing div1 first , don't know the reasons.

3. Horse finishing & Distance - a important point to notice here.. If a horse finishing from last and place or 4th for 1200/1400..will with all probability win an extended race. Recent: Showgirl (see its 2 previous runs) 

4. Aged vs youngsters - if an aged animal racing against youngster ... See the class of the previous win for older.. If above the current class.. Sure to place ... Mostly the youngsters need experience.

5. Eaten when fav - Mostly a loosing would redeem its failure earlier ... If it lost a race due to in..or sl. 

All the above plays an important factors ...if your "LUCK" favours and the intentions from the trainers is to go for it.

Play responsibly...Horse racing is a animated roulette..

Raj

In horse racing world there are 2 kinds of people. 1 horse players(many) are trying to win by placing bets. 2 book makers(few) are the one who accept bets and their main object is to see that horse should not win. Always tussel is going on between these 2 kind people. By studing past performance, handicap, speed rating, PNR reading, jockeys etc.etc.each and every one's focus moved towards first or second favorites. This is what bookies wanted and waiting for  temparing the race by all kind of tactis. In this HT flatform many thinks that rising odds means that horse has no winning chance thats what they schooled like that way. For these reasons one should practice any other method of winner picking. It may be numerology, astrology or any other system of winner picking. At the end one should be in profit. One high priced winner is far better than 10 low priced favorites.

Punters should concentrate mainly on terms race where the real racing takes place. 

Hey,

the best way to bet in horse racing is play only class 2 and above, choose one race per day. The more you play the more you loose 

or eat favourite place all the time. Double till you win. It will always be below 80p you will get good returns 

To make Money, a Punter needs to find a good job and start working seriously. Whatever skill you have or develop, you will never......and I mean never make money in racing. The biggest of owners have got destroyed so what are punters?

Yes, you can do handicapping, speed rating, horse form, trach work etc., but limit your betting to one or two horses in a day, whatever the odds.  This way you will minimize your losses, and sometimes even make money. If you play all races, I can guarantee you will only make big holes in your pocket. Your money ultimately is in the hands of three factors -

1) Owners and connections intentions

2) Jockey's intentions

3) Horses intent to win

You can do nothing about the above 3, the first two points lets not talk about, on the third point you do not know what a horse is feeling, whether he is in the mood to win, he is going through a set back, whether he is unwell on that particular race day, whether there is some internal bleeding resulting in breaking of a blood vessel after the race, whether his sugar or insulin levels are normal and so on so forth.

End of the day, see the horse in the paddock and take your call, but bottom line, play only one or two horses in a day.

Cheers and Be Safe

Jimmy  

1.Handicapping - rarely works in class5 i.e to 10-20%, in class4 20-30%, and so on.

Dear Chanakya, 

Any match to be  tackled with plan.As per your write up , you are very seriously doing it. The win ability is mainly depends on final decision, as the investment is own hard earned money.When ever I played more than three races I lost money, but when ever played a single horse , some time in the penultimate race mostly won , but greed make us to do bet on more races. 

Some people ,just believing that race is adjustment, really not.

Every improvement and non performance of runners to be explained by trainer in writing and vocally. 

And horses are not machines , they also have problems, which to be identified by trainer in time. 

An example , Smart chieftain is run always in company with priceless ally..because he is fond with that friend.

The great horse squanderer moved to hyd for race with out his companion, he suddenly lost interest in feed. Magical horseman Rashid byramji, understood it and flown his companion horse and make him happy.Thesevare some small instances of horse mind.

So same is applied to trainer owner also 

Race is purely science till last 20 Meyers where luck start to turn tables.

I remember horse called Axe owned by Shivappa and trained by cuts running as tote hot favourite in Bangalore summer, it leads by five lengths and going to win , but in last 50 m point it's leg locked in rat hole and lost all pace, finished a tame third, I invested heavily on tote for win lost miserably...after that never bet 5 digit amount on any horse.

Because our life is fully outside, playing huge amounts and living under severe pressure is no value.Judt invest wisely...if can't take a decision on particular card just have two round's of your favourite drinks and enjoy.

Faizan Patel 

I very much agree with your 4th point. Punters loose bcoz they want to play all races till they last penny in their pocket.i always wait for the kill don't I say win on all race days  but on whole aim a winner. I back my selected horses 1 or 2 that's it suppose my 1st horse wins I collect my WINNING and out. 

At the end of the day,the punter wants to be in profit.No matter how big he win but he doesn't want to be in loss.

As far as the selection goes,we(most of the punters) go with certain horses in mind to play inside and suddenly changes the mind due to number of factors like information,odds changing,seeing the public playing favourite etc.

The punter cannot win if he plays every race.As far as eating concerns the small punters like me cannot eat every favourite,if two favourites win consecutively then we are doomed for the day.

The only way a punter can win is to have sound capital and smart brain.He should know when to back the favourite and lay the favourite.The punter should keep a winning limit in his mind like suppose if i am in profit of 5000 i will just stop betting and watch the game.If i lose 5000 in the first  starting races i walk away.It will take some time to get this habit but its definitely worth it.

I see many experts give their tips in every race for the day,but i dont know if they play every race or they just give their tips.I mainly follow dharmesh ji and  i request him to give his best bet not days best but the best where a punter can earn either be win or place and it ahould me atleast 60p and above.

And i would request all the expert tipsters to give the lay bets also,so one can eat the horses,either it be win or place.

Thank you.

At the end of the day,the punter wants to be in profit.No matter how big he win but he doesn't want to be in loss.

As far as the selection goes,we(most of the punters) go with certain horses in mind to play inside and suddenly changes the mind due to number of factors like information,odds changing,seeing the public playing favourite etc.

The punter cannot win if he plays every race.As far as eating concerns the small punters like me cannot eat every favourite,if two favourites win consecutively then we are doomed for the day.

The only way a punter can win is to have sound capital and smart brain.He should know when to back the favourite and lay the favourite.The punter should keep a winning limit in his mind like suppose if i am in profit of 5000 i will just stop betting and watch the game.If i lose 5000 in the first  starting races i walk away.It will take some time to get this habit but its definitely worth it.

I see many experts give their tips in every race for the day,but i dont know if they play every race or they just give their tips.I mainly follow dharmesh ji and  i request him to give his best bet not days best but the best where a punter can earn either be win or place and it ahould me atleast 60p and above.

And i would request all the expert tipsters to give the lay bets also,so one can eat the horses,either it be win or place.

Thank you.

A punter wins and loses everyday.  Most important is  Financial planning. He should evaluate his choices and bet accordingly.  

One of my friend doesn't know about racing but he made money.... 5 years back he entered and within a span of 2 years lost more than 15 lakhs by playing only favourites... Then after 2 years started eating the favourites and recovered his entire loss and has earned more than 10 lakhs till date.... Even today he doesn't know what is handicapping.  Now he is mainly concentrating on racing only... 

Key points.

1. PNR reading, Weight, Distance.Class.Timing.

Don't consider the below things.

Odds, owner double, trainer double, Jockey double, doosra,teesra, pet distance, ran with ........,

Betting in each and every race, sometimes on 3 different horses in a race, will take you nowhere.   Grief is guaranteed !!!

Hi all,  please read  it carefully and give you're valuable reply.  I have only  3 year of experience in horse racing. I don't have much experience but when I am conclude center wise result I found one thing.

1-Banglore :- in first race play favorite place 90% come, if not then in second race it come surly, and cover you're money which is lose in first race, but remember if you earn in first race please out from racecourse. Note you can see result. 

2- Kolkata - same story but only in first race. You can see the result of these 2019-2020 seesion all favorite  come in place even 95% won. Note you can see results.

3- Hyderabad - same as Kolkata. Note you can see result.

4- Mumbai /Pune :- Attention on second favorite plce. Play one race earn money out from racecourse 

5- Wait for odd (means if the horse back play ) and special play trainer magn Singh horse. 

6-Madras /Ooty- eat any  favorite and come out from Racecourse 

7- Mysore Waiting for odd if backing play and out else eat favorite. 

These are my experience. Finally iam telling only thing play only one race in a day back or lay. 

Thank you.  please comment on my post. 

Let me learn good and tested handicapping from u?? 

Congratulations Chanakya! May you enjoy such success forever!