My dear SSPP:

I am sorry if I have hurt you unknowingly. We in the sense we havea small groupof retired people blessedwith good pension and not much responsibility since we have done our best for our children.

You see SSPP we do not earn 50K every race day. Last Kolkatta Race we fancied Imran Chisty and Trevor all clinched the deal so we had 50K.You have misunderstood we do not throw the full another day. Our limitation is is just 10 or 15K only. We do not carry big amount also.

Your sustained effort is appreciated.Righ from 1975 by following MAM and his jockeys like V.Shinde, Aslam Khader Trainer RR Byramji and Jagdish etc., we have accumulated fauirly a goodamount. We do not touch other people Horses. We play from ouraccumulated amount only a small fraction say 10 to 15K  and we do recover loss. We are not born rich we have worked and earn money.

I feel sorry that I have hurt you bit deep and our posting shows or reflects your feelings. 

I do not depend on my income from Races. Coming and going within the our fancied jockey only. The problem comes only for those who play all Races. How much money we have accumulated due to David Egan ? you know that is why i put up a thread Thanks giving in the Forum. If you are selective and play win and place you may not lose muc.

But by Principle GAMBLING gets you no where  I agree. 

Please do not keep anything mind I am not a personas you imagine.

We do not count or eat alone. We spend quite a lot for charity and ailing people in the hospital. 

Best Regards

ayyarnet 

For Those who think they can.make  quick money it is a trap.

For those who can control their urges, keep cool, analyse logically, and wait for the right race , this can be a methodical investment that can very satisfying pursuit  Dr.Sagar and Anushree come to mind readily.

It all depends on ones attitude , skills , hardwork and ability to spot an opportunity.

Racing gives an opportunity on almost everyday.

All it takes is a change in our perception . Just  try to understand oneself and the business of racing. 

Failures are part of life. If we don't learn from our failures and fail to improve ourselves , the blame squarely falls on ourselves only.

@ Ayyarnet, I have been advocating "keep away from racing" here, only with an intention  to all classes, the rich, middle and the poor. Here, the tich becomes the poor in no time, and you and I are no exceptions. You have been wuoting all throigh your message "we" bit I fail to u derstand who you are trying to take in support of? At 77 years, if you have a .onthly income of rs.one lakh, God may have thought  "let this man go and give a portion of it as dakshina in the race course". Where from this "we" comes? Can you show me another two people, except born millionaires, who come to race course at your age 'still earninh rs.one lakh or more'? By criticising me to the hilt, you can't climb heights, isn't it? It is only after I disclosed here sometime before that once I made a peti from the bookies but out of greediness I lost the peti the next day itself. Why I said that? Those who make even 1000 rupees ttoday tend to give it back to yhe bookies tmrw, such is the racing tendency. I had also said that it was thr only instance when I bet a peti. Then why you want to cry that "you play petis"? You talk about nonsense like "positive" energy while entering thr course. Take it from me, all you gather inside the course is "negative". No ine can be a good friend from inside. To ve clear, everyone has grown so greedy that he wants to win but at the same time want to see others lose. Perhaps you also belong to the same category. You talk about Shri Karunanidhi banning racing. Had that stayed and late MAM not moved the Supreme Court, today thousands of families would have been saved from big catastrophes. For people like you, who earn rs.one lakh at 77 years, value of money is noy known. You people can spend money like water and keep digging out deapite losses but to satisfy your ego, keep claiming that "I won rs.50,000 today". For you, racing is noy hobby, it's  a fulltime venture. So my advice is not at all for 'gone'cases like you. I cry for those who earn rs.500 a day and lose it in full in the course. I cry for those young doctors and rngi eers who have by mistake come in and lose their ways. You born rich will never understand the feelings of the poor. Better stop replying to my posts and don't try to correct me. After 20 years, when I turn 77, I may not behave like you in this column. That's  for certain. It's you who engaged in wild character assassination in the name of replying yo my post but get perplexed when you get it back nicely. I have also toured across the world and visited  many race courses. However, that doesnt qualify a person to spit venom. Please understand that at least in this ripe age which usually breeds only ego. 'Ayyarnet' or 'ego'net? 

Dear SSPP:

Your mere admitting your loss is not enough but accept you were an irresponsible vagabond without any scant respect for moey threw peti by peti and then having lost all obtained wisdom of taking sanyas from Races. 

We are not like you but responsible people with decent income and we can afford to play at races within our limit.

1. We do not depend on income from Races for our living

2. We do not play all Races and attend all centers

3. Attending Races are only just a Hobby for us and we are not mad Gamblers to bet peti by peti.

4. We play selected horses with fair chances of winning ridden by our favorite jockeys only. Even if we lose no problem since our favorite jockey wins frequently we have possibility of recovering our loss.

If you do not know how to play and narrate your sobbing stories may not serve any purpose. It is like a lady who could not dance found fault with the stage theory only.

However we respect your good intention to correcting the people giving your example after quitting races how you are leading a Happy Life. We are pleased to hear that.  Your message to be addressed to Middle cass or Bit low class people who have very little income. Due to addiction they lose every thing.

Here in our forum allof us are responsible people having a decent income and we are engaged in usefulactivities. Racing is only a HOBBY and not indispensable or essential for us. We go to Races just for sports interest and NOT with an intention to become Ambani or Tata. 

Even after quitting races under the pretext of helping or saving punters you are writing why this horse is not running  etc., This shows even though lyou have left betting still Races attracts you or you get stimulated out of sportsman interest. We appreciate.

Major victims are only workers or middle class people who have liitle resource. No use of your breast beating here. Readers  of this forum are fairly educated occupying a good post. Percentage of Race goers reading this forum may be a small fraction only. Because you need computer Literacy and Internet access  Hence your message  may not produce any significant effect except few supporters for you from dead broke club.

We really appreciate your continued or sustained interest and effort to prevent people going to races. But you are dialling a wrong number.

If you really want to save people from addiction please write an article in THE HINDU or Times of India on the Impact of Races among Common people. You may even put an ad in the Race Books advicing all to not to waste their precious money in Races. We will appreciate. You may even distribute pamphlets at the Race course to create an awareness among the public. We will welcome. I have monthly income income of Rs 1 Lakh and I can afford But we do not bet in peti. Even if we get little income we spend for fun and enjoyment only. We do not throw all for betting.  

First please understand mostly people from middle class with little income only affected people you have to educate them or create an awareness that Races are not good for them. We will appreciate and support you also.

Please be kind enough to restrain yourself  from personal acck in this forum. I did my MBA from Bombay University my two sons are working USA and my daughter is working as a Doctor in Ireland. I am nota person  as you imagine. We have been brought up spiritually by our parents. Racing of course i got into it as a Hobby due to my friends circle. I have also visited many Race course outside india Epsom, Honkong, Penang and Singapore.

Please be kind enough restrain any personal attack in this forum.

If you want to help or save public please do it in the proper way by creating awareness about the impact of Races or Betting in Races. We will appreciate and welcome your efforts.  We welcome your posting related to any horses and not negative vibration and it is like  entering a temple and prwaching aesthetic principle to the visitors.

Even Late Chief Minister Karunanidhi tried his level best to abolish races in Tamil Nadu and closed down MRC for a few months. He even erected a statue for abolishing Races at the Anna Salai Chennai. Statue still exists even today. But Late Dr.MAM took up the matter to the Honble Supreme court and resumed races in Taminadu. In order to prevent all he increased the Entrance ticket fee to whooping Rs 100/- Now it is reduced to Rs 40/- at MRC Chennai.

We do not discourage even if you can help a few people also it is worth. Once Mother Theresa said poverty is like an ocean my effort can only remove a drop in the ocean. I am happy let the ocean be a short of that one drop. We wish you all success and offer  felicitation for your good  work. Please restrain spreading negative vibrations and personal attack  here.

Thanks in advance.

Best Regards

ayyarnet

Dear SSpp, The problem with you is of mindset. You lost in racing as not studied well...

Finally gone to the feet of we'll set relatives and begged for pardon. Nobody called you to race course.it is your internal gambling will dragged you.

So please stop  and advice....because you are not qualified to do so

Ayyarnet sir,  please refer to your post dated 28.02.2020. This is another good post which may help a punter to improve his betting strike rate significantly if follows the tricky points given in the above post. There are many other good expert available in this forum,  and  we punters in general expect that these expert will continue to give their good points/winning strategy in horse racing. Once again thanks to ayyarnet sir,   with regards.   Sailesh 

CORRECTION

Friends please be kind enough to read the line:

Play safely and NOT with an intention to strip Book Makers.

The word NOT was not typed. I regret for the mistake.

Thanks

Hi Friends, See how hollow and  superstitious 'Ayyarnet' sounds? He advocates going to race course with a positive frame if mind i.e, "I will win" attitude, then you can win. Please tell me who goes inside telling "I will not win"? But the fact remains that by the end of the day, say 5% faces look bright & happy, while the remaining 95% if punters go home battered. I fail to understand why this man refuses to accept truth. Now suddenly hw comes with a claim that he made 50K profit in Kol races? Tmrw he may say I made so much in Invitation weekend. Just presumptions. I at least accept the truth that I lost in racing, quit, rebuilt myself & leading a happy life with two own houses, two cars and a good job, both for me and my wife. Ask him, he will say all through his 45 years of racing, he has been making money (because before entering the course he tells himsrlf "I will win"). It's hard to make such people understand the reality of racing. I'm sorry. 

Friends:

Many Racing enthusiasts might be having sufficient funds already with them. They do not depend on income Races.  They are investing little as per their capacity and bet on fancied horses ridden by their favorite Jockeys. bLast Kolkatta Race I made 50K. C.Alford made treble Imran chisty gave a double all fancied horses came through. If I say some pathetic club people will say this old man is lying. 

We want successful people with us with a positive attitude and not from the pathetic  dead broke club. Let them open a separate website for them to narrate their sobbing stories. We want good business people with a positive attitude.

While entering the course if you think Races are bad and money will be lost then I can guarantee you are bound to lose.

On the contrary if you come your selected Horse will win you will return home with ample cash  it will certainly happen.

All Racing enthusiasists are not not who come to races for easy cash  They have already sufficient cash in their possession. Loss in a day or two will never bring them to the streets. They are all responsible people  play safely to certain extent only and with an intention to strip Bookmakers.

We had a friend who observed meticulously the running of a Horse Idealist in Mysore and informed all as ONE ONLY and gave explanation clearly. The Horse won twice  We all made little money due to his observation.We want such interested people and NOT from deadbroke pathetic club members. Birds of the same flock fly together. Let all the deadbroke group go with SSPP.  We like smiling people with positive attitude looking for a good life.  Hearing pathetic stories also a infectious disease and it will spread like corona virus.

Let there be positive thinking successful people here.

We treat our Book makers as friends only and NOT enemy who have come to rob our money. 

I suggest our friends NOT TO GET seduced with so many phools designed to drain our pocket. Stick to win only and bet any fanciedhorse with a reputed prominent jockey. and never bet all races. The idea in betting with frequently winning jockey is even if you lose also no problem because he will win soon and you can recover your money. Leave all other phools like Jackpot Treble and all these dilute your funds and concentration also. Select two or three prominent Horses and play WIN only including DAYS Best from media members and go home, It is not obligatory you must remain till the last race. 

Before leaving home please make an affirmation in your mind

Today will be a good day

Today I win at the Races

All my selected Horses will come through with flying colors

I will be meet successful who will add success to me

Mone comes to me easily and frequently

I will use my funds to help other needy people

I pray for the welfare of all my friends.

You need not accept my views and atleast take a test drive

and then give your opinion.

Happiness only will fetch you Happiness.

Best Regards

Ayyarnet

Best Regards to all 

ayyarnet

This seems like an interesting debate. I particularly liked the line of Ayyarnet when he said  "Problem comes once we find the taste of winning...............". That is what gets a punter hooked.

It is surprising that so many punters from modest or even poor economic background throng the race courses. Some feel that in other forms of legalised gambling like lottery one has to depend totally on luck. On the other hand in racing they feel one can get 'khabar' and bet. As such they try to get friendly with syces, stable boys, jockeys and the like. Similarly, these same people who are connected with horses and stables pass on whatever information they have  to their friends and others in exchange for money or other favours.

Many white collared people go  to races to find an escape from the drudgery of their daily lives. Even a serious race goer - by serious I mean who tries to learn the intricacies of racing - gets addicted in a different way. He tries to develop his own method, keeps fine tuning it and making course corrections. Every time he realises a mistake he feels he has finally solved the puzzle and found the golden key only to discover another shortcoming in his method when his next bet fails. There is nothing wrong in this. In fact this can provide immense fodder to his intellect. It is like any other jig saw puzzle but far more challenging. It is when he starts thinking in terms of petis and quick money that he gets on dangerous ground. I am shocked to read here that most race goers take loans from others and are perpetually in debt. This is entirely unnecessary. If one can't make a success of betting with his own resources what makes him feel he can win with borrwed funds?

The feeling of guilt many race goers have is because of the social stigma attached to racing in our society. From what I have gathered in this thread SSPP lost a lot and has succeeded in giving up betting on horses. Punters who have lost heavily are bound to have regrets. However, the very fact that he still comes back with racing topics shows that it is not only betting that attracts a serious race goer to racing.......it also provides unmatched intellectual stimulation.

A nice battle of wits between two sections of people on the pros and cons of racing.

While SSPP and his supporters are enlighting the dark side of racing, the other section headed by KINGSFORk involves in showing the brighter side of this sport.   

I concur with the views of SSPP who rightly stated that there is no meaning at all in a punters life.  A  punter had usually neglected his office, family, friends, and even his own dignify in view of his involvement is punting.in racing.

But whatever is said and done on this topic, we cannot change the mind set of a punter overnight for he has already in deep waters unable to extricate himself from the clutches of the demon.

Nevertheless, I appreciate the efforts  taken by SSPP in a goodwill manner to save the people from this glittering sport.

We should bear it in mind  ALL THAT GLITTERS ARE  NOT GOLD.

My dear friends:

Everybody understand fully well that Gambling is bad and ruin your financial structure.  In Racing we do not gamble blindly but we do invest a bit based on previous recod of the horses and trainer and reputation of owners *( for example Ms.Ameeta Mehra, Dr.Cyrus Poonawalla) and the ability of Jockeys. For all these you need to understand the concept and how races are conducted. Any one can not afford to own a Race Horse. You eed lot of money to buy a Horse, pay training Fees to Trainers and Riding Fees to Jockey. Whether you win or not you have to incur all theses expenses.

Nobody is forcing any one to go for Races. There are many avenues available for revenue and earn a livelihood. People go to races who have little spare money to watch the thrill and entertainment and meet like minded people at the course. We do respect our money (Laxmi) We do not throw in peti by peti madly and then post here sobbing their story and advocate every one not to go to Races. By principle good intention it is OK and major victims are middle class people. Few years ago Late Dr.MAM increased the entrance Ticket fee to MRC Chennai to Rs 100/-= for enclosure just to prevent people to come to Races only. Now we pay Rs 40/-

Simply telling often and often criticising and then stimulate interest why this Horse did not run and how this Horse fared well at the races eposes his hypocritic mind. If you like Races oK and if you o not then leave it and get lost.  You must learn and and take your chance. Many Race books and media provides Days Best and if you follow these tips also you can few Races. Problem comes once we find the taste of winning we go on indulge in every Races and lose. Jackpot is almos tlike  hanging Carrot before a Donkey without knowing a few Races are fixed to filter the tickets. Club also introduce so many Phools to drain the pocket of punters.  Because of these once a punter enters a Race Course his conscious mind is altered to some extent by un known forces and often in a confused state whether to select which horse. If you decide well in advance play a selected race where chances of winning is good. 

We all knew very well Racing gets you addicted and you ruin your financial status. This is applicable for those Mad people who throw in peti by peti without any common senses and then decide to  take sanyas and asking all to follow him and then  quietly stimulate all why this horse is not included. For a person who took sanyas from Races what does it matter whether a particular Horse runs or not. 

Even today inspite of all sponsorship manipulated Races still Clubs are in trouble with their Balance sheet. It is easy to criticise the club and you must know how many people club is feeding and how many labourers are earning their livelihood and in addition club is also providing funds for charity. 

Actually this forum is meant for discussing about Horses and their ability and anlayse the running of the Horses  etc., and NOT for any one who is a critical on one side and shows interest on the other side.I had good friendship with many Racing Journalists like Aziz Currim bhoy - Cecil Fernandes - Pegasus  from Times of India  and even founder of Afternoon Despatch courier evening Paper - Busybee  They are all very nice people never indulged in throwing peti by peti at the Races and then wrote Racing is bad etc.,  I am really astonished how Racing Journalis can afford to throw in Peti for betting ? 

I request ADMIN to allow posting from people who have little interest in Races and NOT who are against the Races and spread negative thoughts and theirsobbing  past history here asking all tomtake sanyas.

I suggest our friends to read the book - The Art and Science of Making Money

Very nice book and I derived benefits by reading this book. It is available in the internet and you can also read free on line from www.scribd.com

Best Regards to all

ayyarnet

Earliest punter understands racing is most expensive form of entertainment

which takes your time and money he is better off.

@sspp

You can't earn your daily bread by watching a movie/gambling. Its another kind of entertainment which provides the daily bread for millions of professionals & laborers, stop cursing the industry because of few addicted foolish punters think like that.

Please do remember our childhood story:

One afternoon a fox was walking through the forest and spotted a bunch of grapes hanging from over a lofty branch.

“Just the thing to quench my thirst,” he thought.

Taking a few steps back, the fox jumped and just missed the hanging grapes. Again the fox took a few paces back and tried to reach them but still failed.

Finally, giving up, the fox turned up his nose and said, “They’re probably sour anyway,” and proceeded to walk away.

Moral: It’s easy to despise what you cannot have.  Nothing comes easy without hard work.  So, Work Hard and reach your goals.

Old Generation says it is game for King and King of games write then Game will remain King ???? forever because of punter only bottom line is money only and that is of punter only. this is how we are King .

Sir, kindly continue your good topics. Yes, there will always be positive as well as negative replies. Accept them gracefully.

Only an highly experienced punter who understands the various ups and downs of racing will comprehend this. Especially today's racing which is dailyhighly robbery. I myself helped a few poor individuals to stay away from racing and taking care of their families, but a few always come back. Let's face it, 99% punters are loosers, but few admit it. I also personally ran my household expenditure from racing for a few years, but now cannot, due to the made-up and pre-determined racing. Most of the punters never consider this and still feel all races are run genuinely on merit. Yes, we do our bit, that gives us satisfaction, wether it helps or not to others. Let's leave it to them.

SSPP,  Why do  contradict your statement ? You want everyone to quit racing, ok good thought, agreed. Why do you bother about Sprinters Cup entries ? Why do you classify Class 1 race and VB race ? Why do you say Chennai and Ooty races are better than other centers ?

You keep on spreading negative vibration in HT which is of no use. Everbody knows that any form of gambling is dangerous. Just because you lost heavily that doesn't mean everbody will lose everything. If you play in pettis that is your mistake. You want more profit so you bet in pettis. Who asked you to do so ? 

Advice the punters to restrict centers, bets and amount. Tell them not to attend daily. 

I think you must be living in a place where there is no racing activity.

Hi Friends,

     Nice to go through about a dozen reply posts. I find at least a couple out of these 12 have given up racing in the recent months and that itself is a big victory for my "Stop Racing" campaign, isn't it? My interest in horse racing without being a punter stems from the fact that I had been a 'racing journalist' for many years. And, it also doesn't prick me when I join this column without losing either in terms of money or prestige. Those who realise have no hesitation in conceding to the fact, while others pretend to be 'blind'. My campaign will continue....

     @ IIMBLUE

     You are absolutely right, racing is for the retired ones and pensioners, who cannot afford to invest in a big way and who also come to a place like race-course to spend time for a cinema ticket's cost. You seem to have analysed several racing realities very well. When you say "for working professionals, it's a nightmare", I felt like patting you on the back, simply because several young doctors, engineers and those holding reputed positions have already lost their way inside several race courses in India. My appeals are to that age group of people, who need to do a lot for the smooth and successful upbringing of their families and not for 77-year-olds who have hardly anything to lose in this world anymore. When you said "A punter is an all-round loser", I found a lot of truth in it and when you concluded "seen only ruined lives around here", I was quite astonished by the power of your language. You have summed up racing life in just one line and few words. Brilliant Sir !

     @ Kulkarni datturao

     I am so happy to know that you have given up racing and are also leading a happy life. You can continue to have interest in racing, as a 'rank outsider'? Hahahaha... All the best to you Sir !

     @ Cena jugaad

     You sound pragmatic Sir. Even a decade or two before, racing was not favouring punters. For that matter, racing is full and full "anti-punter". That's why almost 99% of the punter community is in a hapless condition. Some refuse to accept the fact due to ego.

     @Abhishek

     I liked when you started that "I don't agree with you" because that's how I too started my post. But when you go on to say that "for me racing has always been profitable", I stopped and laughed. It's true that if a punter plays selectively and within his resources, he can control his losses... but never dream about making profits in this industry Sir. Therefore, let 'making a lot of assets' be there for the time being my good friend. Very contrastingly, you say you are only a part-timer. How come a part-timer make a lot of assets. So if you become a full-timer, you will be among the richest in the world, isn't it?

     @ Saggittarian

     Hi Sir, how are you? I see your posts very seldom these days. I also know you are quite young (at least compared to me?). When I refer to 'dignity', I am not trying to undermine a punter in any manner but just trying to reflect on reality. See how many punters - a majority of them - stand ashamed at work place, home and elsewhere. The only place where they breathe freely is the race-course. When I was active in racing, I have seen a large number of people losing everything in life. Those who come gold-ridden were soon seen debt-ridden. It happens in most cases Sir, and that really pains. 

     @ Lucky Laxman

     I have read in 'Ramayana' that Laxman is a red-hot character. Hope you aren't so? "Nobody is going to listen to you", you said but see here Sir. Even out of the about 12 posts, three or four of them have openly agreed to the plain truth. The septuagenarians who claim to be making money for 45 long years are the most blessed souls on earth Sir. Please don't get carried away by their egotic remarks. Try to see the reality and take your own decision. I have not compelled anyone to quit racing. Did I? At the same time, how can anyone chain me from expressing myself Sir?

     @ Venu

     I will soon come out with a post on "How to come out of this mess?". You must definitely air your opinion after reading that, okay Sir?

     @ Punter

     "Punters are King"..where Sir? No king keeps falling into debts. Kings make wealth but we punters drop them into the drain, isn't it? New Gen Kings???

     @ Kiran

     Yes Sir, no one asked me to become a punter. Having become one and also successfully managed to relieve myself from the burden, is it wrong to come with advices here and there? I am sorry if that's hurting you in any way Sir. Better ignore my posts?

     @ Siva Ramakrishna

     I take your comments with a positive feel because I know you see racing with lot of honesty. However, this industry is not as honest as you want it to be Sir. I speak from personal experience only and it's for you and others to see the truth in it. No attempt to 'convert' anyone Sir? Got it?

     @ Ayyarnet

     I have used your reply in a few replies above Sir. Being 77 doesn't quality you to talk nonsense here Sir. You are fully of ego and at this age it's very difficult to keep it down. Still, all the best Sir !

     @ Original Rocky

     Thank you so much for your remarks Sir. Tread a very cautious path in your second innings because many teams lose in second attempt. All the best !

you write articles on horse racing all the time.  Then u must be checking all the replies.  You respond regularly.  Now you have started studying horses and wonder why Amorous White is not running.  and then you say, that you are enjoying life outside racing.  Sorry to say but still you are languishing in the racing world.  all bogus talks of life outside racing.....

I write under my own name and have been a "SILVER JUBILEE PUNTER" at horse racing tracks all over India except Madras and Delhi also having visited Hong Kong's "Sha Tin" racecourse on Hong Kong Derby Day. Honestly i have never earned any income from horse racing which was a expensive hobby from my professional occupation as a "Marine Engineer" sailing on ships and now my own boss as a "Investor" but definitely not in "Horse Racing" as a "COMMON PUNTER". Since the last 3 years i have quit betting on horse races keeping in touch with the sport through the "Internet Media" and attending the annual Indian Derby.Thanks to "Horse Racing" that i kept myself mentally occupied during a very bad phase in my professional and personal life.PLEASE DON'T SAY THAT HORSE RACING IS ONLY RUINIOUS AS IT DOES HAVE ITS BENIFITS ALTHOUGH AT A EXPENSE AKIN TO SPENDING IN 5 STAR HOTELS.Thanks to "HORSE RACING" that i became a successful "MONEY MARKETS INVESTOR"  and Big Bull Mr Rakesh.Jhunjhunwalla would agree that there is not much difference between "HORSE RACING" and "DAY TRADING" on "STOCK MARKETS". His horse "Wizard of Stocks" placed 3rd in "Indian Derby -2020" and he is a hero to Stock market investors.Although i must have spent lakhs of rupees on the racecourses during my hobby as a "PUNTER" i have no regrets as the sport educated me on the many subtelties of life and business. Ahoy !

Seasoned punters will always be running short and will definitely 'request' his near relative, close friend etc for a short sum of money.  Totally unaware that with each such loan, he is losing credibility.  

Well.  It can not be helped.  Happy are those punters who do not move around relatives/friends socially.

But, I want to defend those punters.  

Tell me SSPP, whether each and every punter will be as lucky as you are?  I think, your wife was earning, she had some gold in her posession and you were able to get a new job that too at a place where there is no racing!

(Of course please excuse me if I have mentioned anything wrong in the previous paragraph).

I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT ANY HORSETALK MEMBER.  PLEASE DO NOT GET ANGRY BECAUSE OF WHAT I AM SAYING HEREAFTER.

Once a man starts betting , he is cursed to carry that habit till he reaches the graveyard.  First it will be relatives & friends from whom he obtains loan/s.  Then wife (father in law), then banks & co operative societies, then chit funds, credit cards and other financial intitution, and then private money lenders who charge interest between 4% to 10% per month.

I am speaking generally where  a middle class man is virtually ruined because of his betting habit.  Of course, apart from racing habit, if  he is a  liquor party, then extra expenditure that too daily basis.

Now, let us move to his personal life.  Minimum dependants three.  Wife & two children.  He has to provide  them minimum two meals a day, one tiffin, two coffee, share auto fare for children etc.  If only this much of liabilities, well and good.  What if his children are grown up?  He has to provide for their education.  (minimum B E degree), and if one of his children is daughter, then he has to conduct her marriage.

I think a man has to save at least 30 to 35 lakh rupees to provide for all the above.  Suppose he somehow achieves that.  Will he hear any good words from his friends & relatives.  Perhaps even his wife may not be appreciative of him even if he achieved that.

And wherefrom he can expect that much cash.  He may be earning 45,000 to 50,000 salaries.  So, he borrows & bets, borrows & bets on horses hoping to become rich.  But race bookies are not his friends.  They are least bothered about his financial condition.  They know only one art.  To loot the punters.  That punter may be his (bookie's)  own son or father.  They do not differentiate.  They do not show any lenience.  If one does not want to lose his money he should never go within one mile radius of race course.  

Everyday, every minute he will be under pressure.  From money lenders, fom nagging wife, from credit card companies.  What he can do if the salary that he recieves is not sufficient to even pay for his known monthly liabilities.  

And, I have deliberately omitted one aspect.  HOUSING LOAN.  Just think about the pathetic state if apart from above liabilities, he has borrowed Housing loan also.

So, SSPP...

Do not view such hard core punters with so much contempt.  Their friends and relatives avoid them.  O K.  You need not give any financial help to them.  You need not show any sympathy, pity on them.  Leave them to their fate. 

When I say you need not sympathise with him, I also request you not to criticie them.  Tell me, what you can do?  If they approach you with their sob stories, hear them, offer them one cup of coffee or one meals and get rid of them.  Let him get whatever abuses from people who are not race bettors.  The best we race bettors can do is to not criticise him.

It is entertainment. People spend time and money on their hobbies. Going to the gym, buying expensive bicycles, trekking, climbing mountains, mt everest, watching movies every week, watching sports, etc etc.... Similarly racing is a hobby, where one can enjoy the thrill of watching high strung athletes both equine and humans vying for supremacy. A small wager to back your choice increases the thrill and enhances the joy if it wins. Thats it.  I think the lead post writer is having second thoughts on his decision to leave racing and hence keeps writing such posts to help convince himself that his decision is correct.

Ayyarnet sir,   I have learned a lot of good things about racing. Thanks  a lot. Please keep writing.  Regards,  sailesh 

Being in racing from the last 30 years,can say one thing straight nobody wins at the races,except perhaps the bookies and the club.Just play it like a sport with money you can afford ,it is not a business where you can win in lacs,if you play in lacs you loose in lacs.If you play in 50 and 100s you loose in hundreds.Keep on dreaming that you will win very big,you never will.

Fantastic write up and very well written..

It is 100% what I have been through but somehow I got myself out of the whirlpool of horseracing and salvaged whatever was left in terms of financial assets and relationships and rebuilt my life. Now I do selective punting only with money saved and budgeted for racing and with gods gods  I am winning. Obviously just a fraction of what I've lost but still, I am winning! And it can be fun too..

Dear SSPP

All fingers are not same height. If you fail in Racing this does not mean every one will be like your goodself. My point is either you like or do not like leave altogether. If you play in Peti no chance for recovery. You have confessed here you have played in Kolkatta 2 peti same day and then obtained wisdom  telling one Racing isbad.I 

 Then why you bother whether Amorous White Runs or not ? I think still you are haunted by your old days and that you are unable to leave Racing altogether. My dear friend sitting in fence is not good. If you do not like just leave it and be happy.

It is a well known fact Racing infects you with  addiction. It is a just a sport rather expensive sport. Sport embedded with gambling character. If you remove betting then you can count the number of people attending the Races.

Managing a Race program is not a joke. Race club will have to  balance many people - owners, Bookmakers and Public (punters) Manipulation can not be avoided. It is a fact on or two races are fixed or preplanned to filter Jackpot tickets. These are all part of the game. You must understand.

People lose because they play at all centres almost all Races. Major victims are low class and Middle class people on;y. They play small amount and continue to play and little income goes again and they always in status quo 

I am also in Racing since 1975 when MAM purchased Half a crown. We are surviving because we do not think about Races all that time. Play a few horses selected with previous Run Record plus jockey ship.

Even if you follow the DAYS BEST  given in the Race book most of the time 90% it comes out. The problem is you do not play just one Race you go on investing continuously. That is why we lose our money.

If you take casually then no problem. For example last Kolkatta Race most of the fancied Runners won the Race. Many people made money but today in Bombay Races odds were very poor  still we had 2 sure winners.It is some sort of cyclical nature. 

You say you are having good life after leaving Racing then why you bother whether Amorous White run or not ? I suggest you play virtually for example you are investing 50k  distribute your betting virtually and enjoy your skill. You need not invest actual currency. Enjoy racing from Home. 

Some time I too play at home with our family members  50 k to all and let us see who get more at the end of the races. Racing is just a sport   You can enjoy from home also with your Laptop.

everybody knows Racing provides addiction and it is dangerous in long run.

Please stop spreading negative thoughts in this forum. Of course you have freedom but please do not abuse your freedom/

We appreciate your suggestion to all to stop betting in Races 

We are unable to understand what you want the punters to take lesson from you  Dont go to Races but what watch from home. Is it so ?

Playing in Races is also an ART you must learn first. If you want to make little money you got to be a BUSINESS MAN like people involved in Share Markets.  I have seen at Mahalaxmi Race course many eminent people including Honble judges of the Court.   Everything is good and bad also it dependes on the angle you look at. Please understand.   

It is good and we appreciate your suggestion NOT TO BET in Races  But telling one thing and then discussing about horses  exposes your confused mind.  As one of our friend suggested here if you know or like any Horse please post your opinion but stop criticising and asking all not to go to Races etc. life will be affected this and that, Play safe and enjoy life.

We have a software game you can become a Trainer buy horse select horse train your horse select your jockey and then put it in Races The game gives nice entertainment in your Android Mobile !

Since you have been in Racing for a quarter century you can give your suggestion  but avoid postmortem work  and spread negative feelings. Everybody knows Betting in Races is not good. No need for you to deliver a sermon all the time.  I always state here follow a frequently winning jockey  Even if you lose also no problem your money is safe because next time he will win and you can recover and possibility of earning also there. How many Races Jockey Davind Egon won this season. How many Races Trevor won  If you are bit selective you can  enjoy. Some times you can easily guess today they are just dummyon a particular day may not win etc., Tese things can not be taught one must learn by experience.

You are correct Racing affects personal life creates debts etc., But it depends on the person to person. You can not say all are losers. Losing is also a part of te game. Educated people do recover their loss and they do not indulge in postmortem work . Final point is Play safe and adopt your own strategy and enjoy life and avoid sobbing  after the Races.

Please tke every thing in good sportsman spirit. I am 77 and so I take the privilege of correcting you.

Best Regards 

ayyarnet

@ SSPP Sir,

      It's not only myself ... many of the HT followers respect you for your words of advice to stop betting on races... How many of them stopped?... Whenever you advise some may make claps and praise you, some may ask you not to advice them...

      You are saying that after you stopped betting on races, you are leading a dignified life... good... fine... but your mind is always here around racing... Your thoughts are roming around races... So psychologically you didn't come out...Why?...Why can't you lead a beautiful life without the thoughts of racing and horses?... I am sorry to question you like this though I respect you a lot about your knowledge... 

     For some people it's a time pass with a little amount who are afford to loose... For some persons it's an entertainment where they can forget everything and get some relaxation... For some middle aged like me it's a change and recreation... Of course I agree with you all these persons are loosers in the end... they know that they are loosing money but other than that they are satisfying with something...That's the secret of horse racing... All these persons are love to hear the voices of punters like this... "Common... Easy... Yah... I got it... In their mother languages also"... This is the biggest relief for them... They are all habituated for them...

     So don't say that "punters life has no meaning"...After 25 years of racing entertainment you are saying this... Punters are not only punters Sir... They have their life... With 20 or 30 examples you can't estimate anybody's life... 

      I am not against to your advises here... I lost more money on races... No doubt at the end of day 95% of the punters are losers, but they are entertaining some thing which they can't get out side of the race course... It's true... It's an addiction... It's a drug... It's their happiness to loose money for their soul satisfaction... It goes on... Goes on... and goes on...They fall in love with Race Horses and racing...

      With regards... Siva Ramakrishna.

any form of gambling is addiction no one asked u to become punter its our choice 

all gamble in life in different forms  this is one type 

if u want to  enjoy this just earn 10 k day keep 7 k in home  with three k u play u r luck that the funda 

its  sport where u should not  invest u r money to earn just pay with u extra income  to relive stresss in u r work 

see in this angle u enjoy the game 

 Punters are King and without them there's no racing in any part of the world. who enters the tote or club he is a punter and everyone is leaving on punters money the club staff the members the workers and even govt believe it or not. The selfish are this people who don't even know any of us.but live on us hundred percent. That's  truth and rest is hundred percent ???? false what happens to punter by club.

So I mean so very true 100%.  But how do we get out of this mess.  Thoughts are always revolved around racing.  

@SMART..... My sincere request to you is forget about punters.. No body is going to listen you... Think about your self and decide... I am in the racing field for the past 45 years and had seen many punters who committed suicide.... After seeing such untoward incidents I didn't stop racing... This is a very dangerous virus and no remedy at all... Frankly saying this is a PADMA VUYHAM and we all are Abhimanues only.. Once if you enter there is no other go to come out. So, my sincere request to you is post a good horse or other wise keep mum. Please don't feel other wise., 

A punter or all of them are losers, just because they are doing what they like, can they be described as non_dignified.

I don't agree with you..for me racing has always been profitable if you play selected races in limited amount..you will not agree but I had made a lot of assets by playing safe and still my career is going good with my part time hobby as punter.

Wonderful words from you sir

In those days it's has been seen like Sports nowdays Turfs clubs are just looting the Punters... In all possible ways.. including the burden GST also..

Sir you are right our mind always trickling .I left raceing sixmonths back. I am happy .

Racing is ideal for retired people and pensioners. Outside world does not care for you, but here no-one really asks, who are you?  You get plenty of people to talk around and good entertainment for the whole day, for the price of a movie ticket. 

For working professionals,  it is a nightmare. You cannot tell the truth to anyone,  be it at the office or at home. But you will be found out sooner than later. A punter is an all-round loser. 

Seen only ruined lives around here.