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By Gt | 04-Apr-2020It's a request to our senior who can show us the method of handicapping and the working ways, which will help all those who are not aware and in such times can learn to apply for better results. No in a single post but by a tutorial format which can be followed and also raise qst n concerns , someone who can teach us in a easy simplest applicable understandable format please.
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Sun said ...
16-Apr-2020@Chanakya
My interest in this race is 2 fold One the Rating which Handicapper will allot as it carried 7Kg and whether it can be treated as Weights Raised as in a Handicap race Or being Terms Race the Weight Raise is ignored.
Secondly the comparison of time clocked with other Maidefns Race
Glasgow Prince said ...
16-Apr-2020Friends, the drage effect of weight has another angle to it. The drag effect of a unit of weight increases as the weight carried by the horse increses. My experience is that the drag effect becomes more pronounced when the horse carries 55 kg and higher.
Chanakya Kaushik said ...
15-Apr-2020@ Sun,
I don't understand the 'intensity' of your interest in this ordinary race. However following are the details asked by you.
Race 147: The Willingdon Sports club Trophy.
The terms are:
for Indian horses 3 year old only
weights- colts & geldings 50kg.; fillies 48.5kg.
Penalties:winner of 1 race 3kgs, winner of 2 races 5 kgs., winner of 3 or more races 7kgs.
N.B. : If the top weighted acceptor is below 57 kg. it shall be raised to 57 kg. and the weights of other acceptors shall be raised relatively
that is all.
Sun said ...
14-Apr-2020@ Chanakya,
With quite a good years of Racing I do know that in Classics irrespect of a horse's previous performances it is set to carry Fixed Weight as per Terms.This is OK when a 2/3 year old is into its second season.But Poonawalla Breeder's Multimillion is run within few month's of its career and we find Penalty for Wins like in Rno 122.May be time to look at Terms.Perhaps the race is an incentive for owners who purchase a good breed anumal for astronomical sums to recover part of their investment.Is this statement is supported by Facts?Perhaps ITR can throw some light.
Regarding Rno 147 I down loaded and looked at Prospectus but nothing is mentioned there and a Remark "To be Published later".If I go to Archives for 16th Feb I could bot see Terms of Race for this 3 Year Olds Race.Kindly share the Page where Terms of this race are published
Thanks.
Chanakya said ...
14-Apr-2020@Ksmrow,
your 13/4 3.55 pm refers...
I presume , (may be wrong?) that the data given by you pertains to US tracks or other foreign tracks...
I also understand that to compensate for a 'unit distance' called 'beaten length'- 1/2 length is taken as the standard unit. To compensate for the beaten lengths the weight relationship to these beaten length is given by the formula - 1 kg for 1000&1100M,, 1.5 kg for 1200m,2 kg for 1400m , reaching 4 kg for 2400m...
In US most races aare run on dirt tracks which are faster than the turf tracks of that country. Moreover, they don't run 'wating' races as are run in India,. the 'pace' in those races does not vary more than 10 to 15% from begining till last lap,while in india all route races are run 'sincerely'only in last 1000m or 600m...
Therefore this scale can not be used in Indian racing. However we can always learn something from this data by combining it with our experience...
Gt said ...
13-Apr-2020Dear Gentlemen ,
Thanks so much to each and every one, very kind of you to share your experience and thoughts on handicapping,
Am a race lover, this would help us all for picking better winners,
Appreciate ...... : )
Sun said ...
13-Apr-2020My feeling is that the Drag Values in the book may be applicable to Foreign Horses.
For us a Simple Working for knowing Time per 1/2Kg can be arrived at by Dividing Time Clocked by Body Weight of Horse plus Handicap.
Further Drag effect on a 0-20 Clas horse and a 80+ Class horse are not same just as it is not same for 1000 Mrs and 2000 Mtr.
If we take the Body Weight of individual horses it becomes difficult to Normalise and hence I take 450 Kg at all centres except Mumbai&Pune where the Min Bottom Weight being 49 Kg I take Body Weight as 451 Kg .So at bottom Weights we come to a round figure of 1000 (in 1/2 Kg Units)
@ Chanakya Regarding my other query I think the race was open to Foreign Horses and hence the Weight is raised as if a foreign horse were to run.May be a look at Prospectus may throw some light.For that we have down load and go to that page cumbersome.In other Web Sites you can directly go to the Prospectus for a Race Day.
Chanakya Kaushik said ...
13-Apr-2020@ Ksmrow,
Thanks for the clarification.
@Sun,
Weights in Terms races are assigned as per the terms of the race irrespective of the fact, whether a runner is a winner or a maiden. For example in a Derby colts & geldings are assigned 57 kgs. while fillies are given 55.5 kgs.( sex allowance of 15 kgs.) which makes a winner of 2 or 3 races with rating of 70 or 80 to carry same weight as a non-performer of class IV who has also accepted to run. It is not unfair, because the 'terms' of race is known to the connections who still want to run their 'weak' entry for the race...
your first point. The terms of race 147 says - colts & geldings to carry 50 kgs. and fillies to carry 48.5 kgs. ; with a note ' if top weighted acceptor is below 57 kg. it shall be raised to 57 kg. and other acceptors shall be raised relatively'.
The top acceptor's weight at declaration was originally 50 kg because it was a non-winner and therfore the weights were 'raised' by 7 kgs. for all acceptors. I hope I've clarified your doubt.
Ksmrow said ...
13-Apr-2020@CHANAKYA,
Wrong understanding by me not in the line of original extract for-sprint,mile,intermediate,Long,Extended took as
[upto1200;upto1600;upto2000;up to 2400;2600&above].
Generally applied scale to losing margins or in length 0.5 beaten margin as half a length for 1000 to 1100 mts weight reduction of 1kg horse can cover up1/2length and for 1200mts horse needs 1.5kg reduction to cover up beaten margin so on was my view.
Beaten Margin
up to 0.5
1.......1000 to 1100
1.5......1200
2.........1400
2.5..... 1600
3........1800
3.5.....2000
4........2400
4.5.....2800
5........3000
Now read original extract below and come to your own conclusion
DRAG EFFECT OF WEIGHT
Generally applied scale to losing margins
Sprint
M ile
Intermediate
Long
Extended
up to 1200m
up to 1700m
up to 2200m
up to 2600m
beyond 2600m
1 to 2
1
1
1
1
3
2
2
2
1
5
3
3
2
2
6
4
3
3
2
7
5
4
3
2
8
6
5
4
3
9
7
5
4
3
10
8
6
5
3
11
9
7
5
4
12
10
8
6
4
Beaten Margin
up to 0.5
1
1.5
2
2.5
3
3.5
4
4.5
5
Measurement of beaten margins expressed in units of 0.5 kg.
With the knowledge of the effects of weight over different race distances it is possible to equate the margin of victory or defeat as a measure of weight.
The application of simple mathematics to any race result whereby a race rating is allotted based on (1) the actual weight carried by a horse (2) less the weight value of the margin of defeat. This gives every horse an actual 'weight value' for his performance in that race.
Once these relative weight values have been determined for each horse in a race the handicapper now uses his judgement to effectively quantify the overall value of the race.
appreciate your comments.
Sun said ...
13-Apr-2020@ Chanakya
I could not understand ksmrow's post on this aspect but for your query my working taking 1L as 0.18 Secs the Weight Equivalents are
1000 to 1100 1.5Kg
12 to 14 Slightly More than 1 Kg
16 1 Kg
While on the techinicalities of Haandicapping I have a doubt and hope you can throw somelight.
RNO 147 of Mumbai No doubt it is a Terms Race but all horses participating were maidens then why Weight Raise of 7 Kg
Poonawall Breeders Million Race A Winner of 2 races and a Maiden carry same weight.One may say it is as per Terms of Race but is it not an Unfair Competetion?
Thanks.
Chanakya said ...
12-Apr-2020@Ksmrow,
your 7/4/20, 9.59am post,
The information you have posted is good and informative and a beginner as well as an experienced punter can benefit from it.
I've a doubt or a problem with the drag effect of weight. you have used a scale of 0.5 for beten margin which is normally given in lengths.
1 for 1000 & 1100
2 for 1400 etc.
My query is :
Is 1 length = 0.5 kgs. for 100m & 1100m and 2 kgs. is to be tken for 1400m?
please clarify.
Pds said ...
12-Apr-2020Dear friends,
I am doing this business of handicapping, racing, training my own horses and on top of all doing serious punting for the last 55 years and am ok with it.I would like to give you one very important piece of advise, which I think non of my very experienced and knowledgeable friends have brought out and that is the crux of the whole sab cheese. You can learn any amount of theory and all the knowledge about horses, breeding, preparation, handicapping, jockeys, trainers, owners and all the tricks of the trade incl bookies and big punters/ mafia etc etc, but ultimately your betting technique is the most importat requirment, you have to master it, other wise it is the same sob story. Here in, every race you are playing, you have to mentally work out and calculate how not to lose and be safe also and winner too. If you cant do that leave that race and you will be fine. Just ponder on this point and come back with comments and you will realize every thing. Good luck take care.
Ksmrow said ...
12-Apr-2020Posted by ksmrow On : May 15, 2013
Subject :BANGALORE 3YR OLD RATINGS
We can asses 2/3 yrolds potential after one or two runs for that you must synchronize time clocked and able to read the race properly from all angles, after youngster runs once twice or thrice we can get basic strength of youngster from there further improvement possible unless a set back in training, injury or any physical disorder. If we can transform basic strength into rating we can see where the youngster stands in open class races. One who believes timing clocked by horse is yardstick to measure its potential. For those interested in rating of Bangalore based 3yrolds here is my workoutlist.
1.CzarofRomance(77)
2.MiracleMemories(75)-
3.Albertino(72)
4.Murioi(69)
5.Valerion(65)
7.Apparition(64)
8.Jerseyshore(64)
9.Ace Bucephalus(64)
10.Turf Striker(63)
11.Perfect Soul(63)
12.Strengthand Wonder(60)
13.Striking(60)
14.SolitaireRoyale(60)
15.Artorius(60)
16.Agostini(60)
17.Duma(61)
18.Alcazaba(59)
19.Lightofsuccess(58)
20.Cristoffe(57)
21.WindSurfer(57)
22.RoyalSalute(57)
23.Aumento(56)
24.Isn’tshespecial(56)
25.aceangelstar(56)
26.Charlatan(55)
27.Sunglow(55)
28.Chevad’or(57)
29Surlatete(55)
30.ManofVision(54)
31.Cashmyway(54)
32.Kafika(54)
33.Boronzino(57)
34.Scarleto’Hara(54)
35.AbsolutePleasure(54)
36.ForeverHonour(53)
37.RoyalSarot(53)
38.Strombolite(53)
39.Mantara(53)
Ksmrow said ...
12-Apr-2020@SUN, Thanks, yes we can do that what you said in fact attempted to give my rating to 3yr olds based on their potential time(sync time)In the years 2013 and2015 just before Bangalore summer meetings in the HORSE TALK THREAD.To be frank I never look at official handicappers ratings other than terms races we should understand their limitations guided by certain parameters and they have to work with in that.
Sun said ...
11-Apr-2020@Ksmrow,
Hats off to you for succintly explaining all the Factors in Handicapping.In your post you referred to Phil Bull Timeform.Longtime back I picked a Timeform Book which I think is a Weekly Publication and gives Rating of all horse after a Week's Racing.You compare the Current Rating with the Published(Running Rating) Rating of Race Card to make a choice.Can we attempt such a Rating for the horses running.Here I am not referring to Official Ratings but a Rating which takes into account the Times Clocked on a Standard Scale and Weight&Distance Handicapping.Your views please.
Sun said ...
11-Apr-2020@GT (Continuation)
For assesing the Quality Factors you must be able to read the mind of Owner/Trainer that means you have to be a Psychologist.Whether a horse will be tried to upset the Favourite calls for a Good Handicapping and Risk-Return analysis that goes in the minds of Owner/Trainer.If the horse at Longer Odds tried and loses by a Whisker the Penalty it gets may jeopardize its chance for the entire season.
To analyse like this after good Mathematical Ground work is the crux of the problem and that is why many people are losers.They may bet huge amounts on Favourites and Lose&Bet only a small amount on an Upset This goes on and finally they conclude Racing is losing proposition.
Whenever a Favourite Loses most people say that the horse was not tried with Half Knowledge Handicapping.This can go on.
Thanks.
Sun said ...
11-Apr-2020@GT
By this time you must have got an iidea of Handicapping.In myview there seems to be lot of confusion in Handicapping&Winner Picking.To me Handicapping can be viewed as Science while Winner picking is Art applying Quantifiable and Qualifiable Factors.The Post of Ksmrow is the best one to get an idea of Handicapping.It calls for lot of Data Collection and Preparing suitable Models for arriving at Empirical Values for elements of Data.What I mean is as Ksmrow has explained the increase in Weight will delay a horse but it may not be a Linear Equation.Similarly the delay in Time for 1/2Kg is not same for all distances.We need lot of Data Points for each horse which may come about over a period of Time but by that time horse's fitness might have changed.So it is only Approximation that can be arrived at.
Qualifiable Factors are too many but we have to presume that they are not there otherwise we cannot pick any horse.If a factor like Interference comes into Play we have to consider it as bad luck (To be continued)
Chanakya said ...
11-Apr-2020@ GT,
Handicapping is a method to analyse and assess the various factors or parameters which affect the performance of the runner of a race and then compare these with other runners of the race and then try to find out the best from the bunch...
It is not possible to master or even understand it well by few sessions or within few days or few months - even now, in this computer age. Yes 'learning' is possible within these periods but I'm sure that is not your aim. Your aim is to use the learning to make a profit from the game.
Crk, Abbas and few others have given some useful points to begin with. My advice will be to understand first what handicapping is with the help of books,free or paid tutorials, freely avalable info from the internet and by doing 'home-work' later on this information and data...
Some books which may help are : 'A tresury of American turf' by Henry Bomze, Bhutaney's book on Indian racing, Ray Taulbot's books and few more you can pick up from Amazon.com. But remember - these books or articles on the net help only in understanding the game , do not provide the winners!
Finally, in this game learning is a never ending process; because NOW it is managed and CONTROLLED by 'get rich quick' teams at most if not all racing centers - WORLDWIDE, not only in India- that is Bharat...
Pds said ...
10-Apr-2020@GT, I hope I dont rub the wrong side of some of the good and experienced Race lovers and handicappers by being little out spoken when I offer my comments on the gambit of handicapping for Horse Racing. I very strongly feel that a good handicapper must be:
1) Quite well educated and an intelligent person.
2) The person should be good at maths.
3) He should be a flexible and quick thinker.
4) He should be very serious about learning all the nuts and bolts of Horse Racing and various betting techniques, training techniques and all sorts of tricks of the trade( this will need lots of time and effort and is the most important and difficult part of Horse Racing)
5) Must start with a very moderate budget till you are confident of your self. Always have good control on your self.
6) Attend some good coaching classes, a number of courses are conducted in cities like Mumbai from time to. time. Look for that
7) There are quite a few points brought out by Sunddar and other writers in previous columns, you can take those also for guidence.
8) Extremely difficult job if you want to do it well and successfully. You be prepared to work hard.
Good luck
Abbas J said ...
08-Apr-2020Hello All,
Some thoughts about Handicapping the race
Form
A "sharp" horse could have finished strongly, stayed among the leaders, finished “in the money” (1st, 2nd or 3rd) or recovered from a bad racing trip. Conversely, a horse showed dull form if it gave up, looked sluggish or chased the pack. Horses with sharp form have the lowest odds and hence return the least money per bet. Also, often horses will race off a "layoff." A layoff is a rest varying in length from usually two months to a year or more. In this case, workouts, horse appearance, and trainer patterns are the best guides to whether the horse is ready to run after a rest.
Class
Horse races occur at different levels of competition. Generally, high caliber horses are entered in races with other high caliber horses and slower horses are entered in races with other slower horses. But a horse can move up or down in class, depending on where the trainer decided to enter the horse based on the results of its last race. Note that the strength of the same class of race, such as a Maiden Special Weight race, will vary greatly from track to track, as well as from race to race at the same track, making this too an inexact determinant of class.
Post-position or draw
The horse nearer the inside of a race track will have a shorter distance to run than a horse on the outside track, although it is also more vulnerable to being cut off by horses that start off faster and head to the inside rail.
Jockey
A better jockey can make a difference between a winning horse and one that loses.
Other factors
Other factors affecting the outcome of a race are track condition, weather, weight that the horses have to carry, daily bias of the racing surface, and many more factors that the handicapper cannot know. The track condition is closely linked to the weather as rain/snow and the amount of sun affect the firmness of the turf or the condition of the dirt. A wet track is usually denoted as "sloppy". There are cases however when a roller is run over a wet track (if the rain has stopped) and such a track is denoted "sealed". It is difficult to measure some factors with data.
Ksmrow said ...
07-Apr-2020This not my own may be useful to interested in handicapping,
Handicap is a race in which the weights to be carried by the horses entered are adjusted by the handicapper for the purpose of equalising.
HANDICAPPING - Art or Science ?
A bit of both - It can never be an exact science because OPINION as well as FACT is involved.” According toLate Phil Bull TIMEFORM fame,
WHAT IS HANDICAPPING REALLY?
As the name suggests, handicapping on merit means that a horse's allocated weight in a race will have been earned by the measurement of his previous performances. This means that the revealed ability of the animal is the primary basis for determining his handicap rating.
If we take a human example,
Assume Man A runs against Man B over a distance of 100 metres.
Both have a good start and Man A beats Man B by 10 metres.
Next Man B runs against Man C and wins by 10 metres.
So when A and C line up the result should be predictable:
On available evidence A should beat C by 20 metres, all other things being equal. Now if A carries some weight and races against B - there is a dead heat.
To get the same result when A meets C, it requires A to carry twice the weight.
MERIT THEORY
If A beats B by 10 metres, and B beats C by 5 metres
Then what would the “handicap” be?
If it is known that 5 kg stops the average runner by 5 metres then on ‘MERIT’, the Weights in a merit handicap would look something like:
A carries 15 kg B carries 5 kg C carries nothing
Predicting who wins is not straightforward - the runners are now “COMPETITIVE”
VARIABLES
To complicate the example further the distance can be increased from
100 metres to 400 metres.
A will have a problem: the weight on his back will slow him down more and more the further he runs. So to achieve the same result as over 100 metres, the weight on his back will have to be reduced.
But what if B and C are much better suited to 400 metres than to 100 metres, and A cannot run that far at all?
In other words a change of distance could create circumstances for which historical information related to the old distance cannot be used.
Some horses are better suited to certain distances than others. Some carry weight better, because of age or build. Some cope better when the ground is soft, others only when it is hard. Add to these other factors such as the horse’s well-being, fitness, race tactics, jockeyship etc. and the size of the problem of handicapping a race faced by the handicapper becomes clearer.
MERIT HANDICAPPING
Merit Handicapping involves rating adjustments based on FACTS as well as
JUDGEMENTS.
Facts are:
? The actual weight differences between the horses.
? The actual margins between horses at the end of a race.
? The drag effect of weight over different racing distances.
Judgements include:
? Did he get a fair start?
? Did he have to race wide?
? Was the pace of the race true or false?
? Was the horse impeded during the race?
? How did the horse act in the going?
? Was the horse racing over a suitable distance?
? Was a large margin of victory truly representative of his superiority?
Hence, Merit Handicapping is a method of allocating weight impediments to equalise the chances of horses, based on measurable facts in conjunction with the interpretation of race results.
ANSWER:
EQUALISING CHANCES of COMPETITORS
What is Handicapping really?
MEASURING MERIT
The measurable factors are the actual weight that the horse carries, the margin of victory or defeat, the drag effect of weight over different racing distances and the age of a horse.
Some non-quantitative factors, subject to interpretation by the handicapper, are things like the quality of opposition, the pace of the race, the effect of having raced wide, being hindered during the running, the impact of the going and the apparent well-being of the animal.
Of the measurable factors the drag effect of weight needs explanation. It is apparent that it is more difficult to carry weight the further one goes. In horse racing it is generally accepted that one kilogram slows a horse down by one length over one mile (1600 metres). Distances shorter than this necessitate the allocation of more weight to achieve the same one length 'drag' on a horse whilst less weight is required over longer distances.
DRAG EFFECT OF WEIGHT
Generally applied scale to losing margins
Beaten Margin
up to 0.5
1.......1000 to 1100
1.5......1200
2.........1400
2.5..... 1600
3........1800
3.5.....2000
4........2400
4.5.....2800
5........3000
Measurement of beaten margins expressed in units of 0.5 kg.
With the knowledge of the effects of weight over different race distances it is possible to equate the margin of victory or defeat as a measure of weight.
The application of simple mathematics to any race result whereby a race rating is allotted based on (1) the actual weight carried by a horse (2) less the weight value of the margin of defeat. This gives every horse an actual 'weight value' for his performance.
In general term's sprinters mature more quickly than stayers, and the scale takes this into account. From a handicapping point of view the immaturity factor must be taken into consideration when assessing a young horse's performance, and where necessary the appropriate compensation should be credited.
ADJUSTMENTS TO RATINGS
In merit handicapping a horse's rating is adjusted based on performance. There is no arbitrary or standard penalty.
In handicap races it can be assumed that the winner has 'beaten the handicap' and as such his performance will not be used as the yardstick to rate the race.
Vinay. Gowda said ...
06-Apr-2020Dear GT,
Will give you one Kohinoor secret to handicapping. Buy or download race card. Don't attend the course and never check the results. Just select a horse you want to bet and SCRATCH or underline it. Do these for one whole season. Check the results at the end of the season.
Rules to be followed scrupulously.
1. No cheating
Check the percentage of your winnings if it is 50% and above irrespective of odds you are eligible to swim in Ocean.
You decide which centre you want to bet, which class, etcetera..
Kingsfork said ...
06-Apr-2020Vinay.Gowda
What's wrong with you? are you ok? why you act like stupid!. we are here to share our experiences that’s it, if you don't agree it's ok, No one forcing you to agree with me.
Why Are you so personal? Do you want know about me then google my name, you will get all my details? or If you have any other wish let me know.
Vinay.gowda said ...
06-Apr-2020Kingsfork,
From all the merit centres you have chosen Delhi and Mysore it shows how much serious you and your selections are.
I am dumb or not have already proved in some contest. I don't know for which state you are king I think you are the only citizen in your country where you have yourself crowned King. Well it doesnt matter..I suggest you to read my post clearly , did you post the topic if not then why you are offended? It shows your IQ. Ohhhh you are upset about scratching...I think you have forgot mention scratch till it turns into gangrene or it turns into cancer like you have already done... Please for godsake don't give scratching advice to anyone one might not know what to scratch and try scratching other things...... Enjoy quarantine days... Be safe - playsafe - song and dance - don'tbreaktherules- Mr HANDsome.
Santosh Kumar said ...
06-Apr-2020what is the method of hadicaping
Heera said ...
06-Apr-2020Hi PKB,
I mean everyone is not perfect in handicapping. Hence everyone is loser in this subject.
I terms of losing money or not, is sometimes you win and some time you lose.
Regards
Heera
Crk said ...
06-Apr-2020GT,
I would suggest that you buy...BETTING THOROUGHBREDS by STEVEN DAVIDOWITZ, second edition, 1997. A very useful book to serve as an introduction to learn, assimilate and put into practice. One may think such an old edition book would not be relevant to the present day racing, trust me, nothing is more further from the truth. Playing blindly without understanding the basics is harakiri;Guaranteed failure and just a matter of time. ! An investment in good racing books and the requisite time in learning would be a good first step. Let no one tell you otherwise.
Meanwhile, i would also recommend you to look up a free website...PRACICAL PUNTING, an Australian racing website, wherein lot of articles on practically all aspects of racing can be read. These articles are by senior racing experts and really worthwhile.
Do these two things, and hopefully, you may be in a position to answer such queries later on.
A word of caution... There is no guarantee of success, but you may score a healthy percentile! SureLy GT, you know what I mean!
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Happy Reading.
Seetharama Rao said ...
06-Apr-2020SN0.1. TO READ RACE RATING WHICH MEASURES THE QUALITY OF THE HORSES WHICH COMPETE IN A RACE, HIGHER NUMBER IS BETTER.
SN0.2. CLASS RATING WHICH MEASURES THE ACTUAL PERFORMANCE
IN A RACE, HIGHER NUMBER IS THE BETTER PERFORMANCE.
3. PERFORMANCE: TO READ CAREFULLY TWO OR THREE MONTHS.
4. RATING 80 AND ABOVE IS GOOD FOR SELECTION.
DSEETHA RAMA RAO
Vinay.gowda said ...
06-Apr-2020Kingsfork,
Out of all the merit centres you have chosen Delhi and Mysore it shows your IQ Lolz.
Basic steps to select a horse? That too from you? You are so dumb to even read simple english leave aside racecard. Did you post the topic? You are too dumb to get admission to kindergarten... Get a life...
Sirf Naam rakhney se koi raja nahi banjaatha !..
Vamshi Krishna said ...
05-Apr-2020Good Luck.
Pkb said ...
05-Apr-2020Sir Heera sir everything is ok but please explain every punters are looser overall how
Kingsfork said ...
05-Apr-2020Vinay.gowda
Do something better & show off your smartness.
you are so dumb, you don't know. these are basic steps to shortlist the real contender.
First, learn reading the race card then teach me.
Anil Xk said ...
05-Apr-2020If you are so eager to learn handicapping, join for any courses conducting by RWITC .
But it is better to read and re read race book thoroughly, at the least two books before jumping into betting.
Vinay.gowda said ...
05-Apr-2020Kingsfork,
You forgot to mention scratch your head after scratching all the horses in book. Lolz.
If you have not had any skill then you would have not found this passage and posted your boring topic.
Pretending to be dumb is more dangerous than being dumb..
Heera said ...
05-Apr-2020Hi GT,
We don't have any authorized handicapper from punter group. You don't expect any thing from punters because all are loosers.
It is better if you keep yourself from this study....I am in racing from the past 10 years done all kind of studies. Came across owners, cutters etc It's waste of time.
Learning by loosing money is waste of life. Please don't do this.
The best way is follow only five horses from each center and play till it Win.
Regards
Heera
Kingsfork said ...
05-Apr-2020HORSE FORM & ON JOBBER FOR DEL/MYS
1-SCRATCH (A) SHOES ON MONEY TO CURRENT (S) SHOES
2-SCRATCH NEVER PLACED UP TO 3RD WITH (S) SHOES
3-5YR & OLD NOT PLACED UP TO 3RD IN-HOME DISTANCE, HECK INDIA RACE.COM FOR HOME DISTANCE. IF DIFFERENT HOME DISTANCE SCRATCH
4-KEEP ON WITH (S) SHOES
5-NO COUNT CURRENT MONTH LAST YEAR PERFORMANCE
6-NO AGE RESTRICTION HERE
7-SCRATCH 5YR & OVER NOT ON HOME DISTANCE BUT ON IN OTHER DISTANCE
8-SCRATCH LOST BY 15 LENGTH & OVER
9-NO COUNT BEYOND LAST 5 RUNS
10-PREFER RECENT RUN AGAINST RUNNING AFTER LONG GAP
11-PREFER A SHOES AGAINST s SHOES
12-BANGLORE & HYDERABAD HORSES RUNNING AT MYSORE DEDUCT 300 FROM RACE TOTAL TIME WHEN COMPARING EXAMPLE;1600MTR CLOCKED 10346 -300=10046.
REMAINING HORSES DO HANDICAP OR NUMEROLOGY ETC.
PLACING MAY BE CERTAIN BUT WINNING REQUIRED GREAT LUCK.
FOR OTHER CENTER WILL POST IF NEEDED.
L. Shyam Sunddar said ...
05-Apr-2020Dear Mr. GT,
Racing is a game of skill and intelligence, Each person uses his/her own intelligence and theory from the previous records of each horse. On the other side of Racing, it's a liscenced gambling and there is no specific or approved method to learn about racing handicaps. All the seniors are still learning to choose the winner. It's a better option to learn racing out of your own interest and intelligence from the previous results and the present data about the horses in the race card. You can go for racing as a hobby or out of passion but not in the sense to make money. If your expectations are to become a millionaire, then you have to be a billionaire. But still there are many sites in the internet. Just to give you a hint, You have to follow up the timing clocked for each horse at a given distance with the given weight. Now it's upto your interest, skill and intelligence. And a sincere advice is to learn anything from your own interest and experience is the best method.
Cruise_b'lore said ...
04-Apr-2020Hello folks,
First and foremost, one needs to acquire a working knowledge of bloodline ( pedigree ).
Those serious in acquiring the same may go to indianstudbook.com and buy the latest publications.
Without bloodline knowledge it would be akin to feeling around your way in a dark alley.
regds,
Cruise
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