Golden Viper,

I do not like bookies.  I only hope that online betting becomes a reality and also the only mode allowed of betting in future.  I am attacking bookies only because of their taking bets at 10%.   I have no personal enmity with them.

SSPP:

The two lakhs which is gained and lost too quickly is hardly my concern.  There are too many people who blew away 5 lakhs and above in one race.  That is when Be safe finished 2nd to Quasar in invitation races.

I have only sympathy for those who backed heavily Be safe.  But the list of odds on favorites flopping is as big as voters list.  So, how many punters I can sympathise with?

However, according to you, SSPP also deserves some hard hitting posts!    SSPP is a loser.  And, by what he has narrated so far, he has stopped betting in races; that too 6 years early.   So, I do not find any reason to question him.

SSPP  desires that races should stop.  But, too many people have invested too much on horses/trainers etc.   I do not take his demand for banning races seriously.   

The turf clubs oppose such a ban.  And, more importantly, the punters oppose such a ban.  The present lockdown is the biggest boon to punters.  

So, on what logic should I be critical of SSPP? 

Golden viper,

I've started ignoring even the  existance of these perennial losers like these  two who  have  become  permanent  fixtures  of  the  sites. Interacting with them is  sheer waste  of time..

@ Raghavan : When I foresaw that horse racing may not happen for the whole of 2020 as soon as Covid-19 broke out, 'Golden Viper' was among the first to 'abuse' me here. Now he wants to predict the same as he sees no other alternative. I find such characters to be real opportunists, who neither have the quality to speak the truth nor the guts to call a spade a spade.

@ Golden Viper, Have you heard the 'old is gold' classic number "satti suttadhada kai vittadhada, budhi kettadhada nenjai thottadhada.."? You can't stop me from advocating good lessons to fellow punters here. This is an open forum, if you can, try to come

up with valid counters rather than engaging in mudslinging. I am prepared for both.

Dear raghavan  congrats for a very  polite way of answering letters.

First bookies are out for this year atleast in all centers due to COVID  restrictions.

Pray tell me  is SSPP and Chanakaya  not the same coin with opposite ends.

So why have you spared SSPP[who because of his poor judgement  in betting lost money wants racing to be stopped ?

My only request to you is do not spare any one  in stead of targetting  one person

My best and humble regards ro you

Golden Viper,

What is th cause of your dispeasure?  I am targeting Chanakya  & co and bookies in 95% of my posts.  

Perhaps you desire that I tone down my rhetoric.  May be your intentions are good.  You are welcome to post your dissatisfaction.  

However, I request you to also put up with my hatred against (1) bookies and (2) Chanakya & co. 

Of course, there are too many horetalk members who are not happy with my scathing comments about the bookies.  That  I can not help.  I am speaking against bookies for the past 8 years.  No bookie has changed his business style.  Neither myself.

Regarding Chanakya & co, I am only conveying my displeasure about their bragging.  There are many tipsters in horsetalk.  Have you come across anyone who sing his own praises so often?  It is only because of me that Chanakya is not coming out with his lie of million gains every second day.  Of course my posts sound too repetitive.  It certainly can not be helped.

@Foolish-But-Still-Hanging-Around-Punter

Another good yarn. Keep going. You seem to be getting better day by day. What next?

@ IIMBLUE, Your observations look crystal clear. I know not many punters - as old as a withering Chanakya or as idealess as an eccentric and young Einstein - would like to hear anything about losses because that is what they have been experiencing in their daily lives. For them, success is a distant story and will remain so. Who cares for such I-know-only-to-criticise characters? As you have rightly said, every time a punter gets a win, he thinks all his predictions have started coming correct and that his horoscope has also changed altogether to set the platform for a bigger launch? Another interesting observation of yours is that at least 1,000 of the about 8,000 punters in Bengaluru race-course make their living by tipping for others. During my Bengaluru days in early '90s, a 60+ man, working as a syce he said, would come running to me and say "Saab, aap aaj theen me chaar aur chaar me paanch kelo, harega nahi Maa ke kasam". That's all, he will not even wait and leave the place. If you look at the odds, the horses will be among the top contenders, and by mistake if they win, he will locate you wherever you be

inside the course and start demanding money..that too in hundreds as if he had deposited something with us to play for him. I had to finally call the security police to get rid of him. I strongly doubt if the 'Chanakyas' and 'Einstein' also belong to these sub-standard groups??? (You can also add the venomous 'Golden Viper' to that list).

The heading ought to have been INVEST. LOSE and LIE through your teeth and master the art of deception!

@ SSPP ,

Only advice one can give to a newcomer is to quit ---now,  at this very moment. But no punter old or new is going to like it , one bit,  If one loses continuously,  he may quit. But the problem is , you win sometimes. Except that a horse could have won for many  reasons,  other than the one you are subscribing to. The result is in punter 's  favour but his logic is all wrong. Now he uses this logic and bets a  bigger amount in another race. Of course he loses  big and finds many other persons--jockey,  trainer,  bookie-- to blame. For him there is nothing wrong with his  methodology  , it is just that he is having bad luck!  The tide has to turn sometimes  , but here it never will!!. At the end of the day,  that is all you are left with --your methodology  , because cash parted company with you long back. Will this person quit,  at least now?  No. Because  , he would become a tipster as he does not want to waste the only thing he is left with ---experience  !

     In BTC, out of seven, eight thousand punters attending  , at least one thousand will be tipsters.  Pennyless  , they will always be in search of a new punter to share  their knowledge and his booty. By the time the new punter is wise to the action of these people  , he is halfway to the road for tipsters--  himself ! 

SOB  SOB   5th or the 6th time same story repeated.

He may have left racing but racing will not leave him. It is like a cnacer with him

Raghavan  please try and be sensible for a change. In every topic you bring in your hatred[transferred from bookies  to him] What has he got to d o here.

Hw BTC will start on 22aug is a mystery.  Jockeys are yet to get their licence.

BNG  sees a surge in cases so I do not think it will be possible soon

then enter a race course and keep repeating till stone broke and later

just keep INVEST,ING LOSING & LEARNING.

SSPP,

iN  A  HURRY  TO  POST YOU  MISSED SOME  WORDS: heading  should  be :

INVEST, LOSE OR  WIN, & LEARN... THAT'S HORSE  RACING.

hope  you  will  correct  the  mistake...

@ Raghavan 

     I only wish that the newcomers pick something reasonable (if they find them to be so) from my posts. As you have pointed out, there are a handful of punters, who are in no mood to accept their losses, but at the same time want to be critical of others who accept the same.

     For egs, look at how Chanakya keep glorifying himself without offering any evidence to vindicate his claims. I also could have said that from Rs.2 lakh I made Rs.20 lakh the next day and so and so was my "betting strategy". Such a false claim may get me few more well-wishers but what's the use? I will be cheating myself and also spoiling the ones who actually need some kind of counselling before they could lose themselves totally into racing.

     I don't know if you have noticed me refraining from reacting against those throwing brickbats at me of late. I know they are the most frustrated ones that can be found in the race-courses anywhere in India and why should I make them go mad by further damaging their reputation? 

     I have only one appeal to everyone reading my posts : Please understand the dangers of this one-sided investment (there are some who feel their lives are left behind in the race-course and the very sound of hooves can make them breathe faster?) and try to relieve yourself before you reach that point of no-return. 

     The Chanakyas and their chamchas will keep talking lies as long as horse racing is there but kindly don't fall a trap to such wolves' howl. 

SSPP,

You just convey your ideas.  Never be apologetic about that.  The newcomers may or may not be scared about what you post.  Of course, it is their cash & their decision.  

People have spoken rather derisively & contemptuously about your loss of   two lakhs!  Well.  They are free to articulate their views.  This is an open site. 

But, my point is, even that disapproval could have been worded in a polished manner. 

I agree with you.  Of course, I have not stopped betting.  

In any case, majority of posts that criticise you are from the punters who had lost several multiple of that 2 lakh.

So, if you desire that the freshers will do themselves good if they stopped betting, then boldly say so.  Do not compromise the serousness of your post by speaking that this post is not meant to discourage newcomers.

Of couse there will be cat calls & hootings.  Goli maro!

Invest, lost and learn.  it should be rephrased as invest, lost, learn and preach.