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By Bhadri | 18-Jan-2021Is there any chance War Hammer and Black pearl go face to face.
If it happens who can rule the track.
My choice was War Hammer
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Blaise Fernandez said ...
23-Jan-2021Hey guys after seeing ur comments on Black pearl not winning i feel upset on wht basis u feel the horse wount stay and cant win the Prestigious event coming up soon.
I still will go with my small horse to win the major event as my final decision.
(BLACK PEARL --- INDIAN DERBY WIINER 2021)
Golden Viper said ...
22-Jan-2021B Pearl came under the whip to beat a class 4 horse.
I do not think he will be going anywhere except CAl..
like Multitude will remain like a frog in the well not daring to come out of CAL
Ruchi said ...
21-Jan-2021BLACK PEARL ,I am telling you guys,will not run the INDIAN DERBY.it will be disaster if he does.A miserable 3 rd or 4 th at Best
R Venugopal said ...
20-Jan-2021Hi , from my opinion first of all comparing War Hammer with Black Pearl so soon is ridiculous .. War Hammer have already Hammered everyone in Bangalore track ( Most tuff track in India) , in Mumbai track he just felt his shoe may have changed from Steel to Aluminium .. Now coming to Black Pearl , horse bred to stay , good turn of foot , I feel it's all because of his dam Alvarita , running style is very very similar to Adjudicate , Sire is son of great Galileo .. If it has taken stamina from Great GrandSire then definitely this will be prime contender to Indian derby , but it's clock time is not impressive 2:34 whereas Hall of Famer clocked 2:28 in Kolkata but somehow she managed to win , what about Rosina Trafalgar please check the timings .. I know some races will be slow pace but another fact is a colt below 440 kgs carring a weight of 57 kgs for a distance of 2400 mtrs with a good clock time is only possible if Black pearl have a great fighting spirit Heart .. now he don't have exposure on other tracks , if at all he don't like Mumbai track when he comes directly to Indian derby inspite of his stamina abilities ,he runs green then matter closed , jockey also can't handle him straight .. Born Queen being a filly she is showing all qualities that she is the derby material , she is fighting it out with Colts n it's never easy for a filly to win Indian derby .. Let's hope for now that atleast Black Pearl has to give tough fight to her .. u never know within last two weeks of Indian derby a super horse may emerge like Rochester or Star superior .. but as of now it's time to think about horse who can beat Born Queen and Invitation will be the answer for War Hammer vs Derby winner 2021 .. It's My Opinion .. War Hammer is far far superior when compared to Black Pearl but Frankly I feel happy if this horse wins Indian Derby just because Adjudicate missed that ,atleast Alvarita trying this time by her Son , Sire Planetaire already showing he has stamina in his foals by coming on board above 1600 mtrs in Bangalore track , that's great .. Born Queen is showing her class n giving respect to her sire Tazahum ( who is no more ) .. Every Horse has a story of their own with their trainer jockey owners breeder as well as parents .. By Thinking Broad mind let's applaude who ever wins Indian Derby n let's accept the fact that better horse won on that day ... Play Safe n Enjoy sport .. Thank you all
Balboa said ...
20-Jan-2021Well everyone is entitled to their opinion, either Black Pearl wins or not only time will tell. We all have our own fancies for the ID which is in a months time. Until then sit back and relax.
Ps : Black pearl is so gonna run the indian derby!
Pharlap said ...
20-Jan-2021Don't have much to say about this comparison.
However, I can hardly find black pearl not doing anything what was asked for by the rider, in the last race.
Of course, the Jockey would like to have better conscience by riding him again when a chance arise.
Pharlap said ...
20-Jan-2021Don't have much to say about this comparison.
However, I can hardly find black pearl not doing anything what was asked for by the rider, in the last race.
Of course, the Jockey would like to have better conscience by riding him again when a chance arise.
Jp said ...
20-Jan-2021BLACK PEARL will definitely run in Indian Derby going by the scripts going on these days in racing. With the late MAM horses are entrusted to a TRUST, the way the trustees are exploiting the trusts assets to their personal assets development in case of several other trusts, this has started happening in this Trust also. The number of horses running in the Managing Trustee's name in Chennai , Bangalore ,Hyderabad and Kolkata will give an answer. Also the number of horses that ran in MAMs colours changed to Managing Trustee and back is also taking place. This Managing Trustee had single digit horses in his heydays and has not won anything big , maybe an odd Ooty classic or in Hyderabad. I am not sure. So he may have a dream to lead a horse in a big stage in his name & colours and Black Pearl could satisfy this dream. Suraj will have a dilemma in choosing if Black Pearl, Lagarde and Born Queen are accepted to run in Indian Derby. If Be Safe can lose he and his clan are capable of scripting Black Pearl's defeat. Moreover, for reasons best known and less spoken, the favourites in Indian Derby bite the dust more often nowadays and that can be an excuse for Black Pearl' s defeat than by merit.
Ruchi said ...
20-Jan-2021@ VIVEK ..you say BP will win...then you yourself mentioned that all its wins were easy EXCEPT DERBY RUN WHICH WAS LABOURIOUS.
Well '" LABOURIOUS" in a two horse race ,that too the horse it struggled to beat was his own bracket mate?
Further all the while it has run against the same bunch,same horses and most importantly at KOLKOTTA,where most of the horses it beat are high class DUDS.BP is a mediocre horse and I still maintain that especially after its last "Laboured" win the Connections won't dare to venture ootside Kol.if at all they do...then we will get very good odds for LAGARDE,BORN QUEEN,ASHWA BRAVO/ who seem to be the only frontline contenders at this stage.,as people will go for BP and bookies will enjoy
Sudhakar Mudiraj said ...
20-Jan-2021Hello All,
Time to get compensated for all those who backed Julliete last year in indian derby... Back Black pearl without any hesitation.. meet you all after Black pearl's triumph in indian derby .
Regards
Sudhakar Mudiraj
Vivek said ...
20-Jan-2021Hi Everyone,
Looking at Black Pearl's Derby run, even I was forced to change my mind about winning his India Derby chances, but distance is certainly not an issue for BP and also it was his first run over 2400 mtr. So at this point of time, nothing is sure.
Comparing War Hammer with BP will not be wise, as WH has proved himself at every stages and BP is yet to go a long way.
Considering all, now there are only 2 top horses which I can think of for Derby as of now and they are Lagarde & Born Queen. But I will not be surprised if BP beats them all as it was only the Derby run which was laborious, others were very impressive. None of the Poonawala horses I can reckon for Derby trip.
Even Lagarde 2nd run was a shocker but after that everyone has seen what Lagarde has done.
Last but not the least, a big question is, who Suraj will chose to ride... ?? This might solve the puzzle atleat half if not complete.
Let's wait & watch.
Regards,
Vivek
Win Legend said ...
19-Jan-2021Black Pearl will certainty not win the Indian derby.... This is certain...
Cruise_b'lore said ...
19-Jan-2021Hello follks,
Elusive Pimpernel was owned by the Calcutta-based industrialist Late Deepak Khaitan but was certainly not stationed at Calcutta. He was trained by the legend Rashid Byramji and was stabled at his yard at Bangalore.
War Hammer has proven himself pan-India but Black Pearl is yet to do so. Hence, comparison of the two, at this stage, appears premature.
regds,
Cruise
Adrian said ...
19-Jan-2021Sorry to say Elusive Pimpernal was a Bangalore horse
Bhadri said ...
19-Jan-2021Recent Track Report
14 Jan 2021 BAN War Hammer(Antony Raj ) 1-39 1200 In 1-23 1000 In 1-8 600 In 38.5 Well In Hand. (-6) 1400m Inner Sand
09 Jan 2021 BAN War Hammer(Antony Raj ) 1-35.5 1200, 1-20.5 1000, 1-5.5 600, 38.5, Impressed. (-9.5) 1400m Inner Sand
15 Jan 2021 KOL Black Pearl(Hindu Singh ) 1-8.5 600/51.8, 400/33, Moved At Half Pace Canter. (8.5) 800m Outer sand
13 Jan 2021 KOL Black Pearl (Hindu Singh), Namiki (Hasib Alam ), 2-6 1400/1-47.6, 1200/1-33.4, 1000/1-17.6, 800/58.2, 600/43, 400/27.4, Former Started Distance Behind And Easily Finished 8 Lengths Ahead. (6) 1600m Outer sand
12 Jan 2021 KOL Black Pearl(Hindu Singh ) 1-40.5 1000/1-19.8, 800/1-6, 600/49.2, 400/32.2 moved at half pace canter. (10.5) 1200m Outer Sand
25 Dec 2020 BAN Born Queen(Suraj Narredu ) 1-45 1200, 1-29.5 1000, 1-14 600, 43.5, Well In Hand. (Even) 1400m Outer Sand
13 Dec 2020 CHE Born Queen(S. Kamble ) 1-7.5 800/55.5, 600/40.5. Moved fluently. (-7.5) 1000m Inner sand
05 Dec 2020 BAN Born Queen(Suraj Narredu ) 1-13.5 600, 41.5, Caught The Eye. (-1.5) 1000m Outer Sand
02 Jan 2021 BAN Lagarde(Suraj Narredu ) 1-42 1200,1-27 1000, 1-12 600, 43, Retains Form. (-3) 1400m Outer Sand
01 Jan 2021 BAN Lagarde(Shreyas Singh ) 1-15.5 600 In 45 Moved Well. (0.5) 1000m Outer Sand
12 Dec 2020 BAN Lagarde(Indrajeet ) 1-28 1000 In 1-12 600 In 42.5 Improved. (-2) 1200m Outer Sand
10 Jan 2021 KOL Into the Spotlight (rb), Star Superiorr (S. Hossain ), 2-11.2 1400/1-50, 1200/1-34.2, 1000/1-18.8, 800/1-3.8, 600/47, 400/32 former was four lengths ahead. (11.2) 1600m Outersand
05 Jan 2021 KOL Star Superior(Suraj Narredu ) 1-59 1200/1-35, 1000/1-19.2, 800/1-3.2, 600/47.2, 400/32.2 eased up towards end. (14) 1400m Outer Sand
10 Jan 2021 KOL Silver Bracelet(Hindu Singh ) 1-29.4 1000/1-14.6, 800/58.4, 600/45.4, 400/29.4 moved smoothly. (-0.59999999999999) 1200m Outersand
09 Jan 2021 KOL Silver Bracelet(Hindu Singh ) 2-16 1400/2-1, 1200/1-39.8, 1000/1-23, 800/1-8, 600/52, 400/33 moved at half pace canter. (16) 1600m Outer Sand
14 Jan 2021 KOL Zoya(B L Paswan ) 1-45 1200/1-30, 1000/1-15.2 800/56.2, 600/43, 400/26. Note the last three furlongs. (Even) 1400m Outer Sand
12 Jan 2021 KOL Zoya(B. L. Paswan ) 2-17.5 1600/2-0.2, 1400/1-45.2, 1200/1-33.8, 1000/1-19.4, 800/1-3, 600/46.6, 400/32.4 eased up towards end. (2.5) 1800m Outer Sand
14 Jan 2021 HYD Ashwa Bravo(Gaddam ) 1-28 1000/1-12, 800/56, 600/42, caught the eye. (-2) 1200m Sand
05 Jan 2021 HYD Ashwa Bravo(P Trevor ) 2-1 1400/1-44, 1200/1-28, 1000/1-12, 800/56, 600/42, an eye catching display. (1) 1600m Sand
16 Jan 2021 BAN Cosmos(Suraj Narredu ) 2-1.5 1400, 1-45 1200, 1-30 1000, 1-15 600, 45, Retains Form. (1.5) 1600m Outer Sand
09 Jan 2021 BAN Cosmos(A R Pradeep ) 1-39.5 1200, 1-25 1000, 1-11 600, 43, Retains Form. (-5.5) 1400m Outer Sand
14 Dec 2020 PUN Iron Age(Hamir ) 1-03 600 38, outstanding display. (-12) 1000M Inner Sand
12 Nov 2020 PUN Iron Age (Sandesh), Be Frank (Raghuveer), Flameoftheforest (S.Kamble), Kariega (Kishore), Wind Whistler (C.S.Jodha), Grey Falcon (Aniket), Cognosco (Neeraj), Hilad (A.Prakash), Wild Flower (Kaviraj), Tough Cop (Ayyar), Dont Mess With Me (Amit), Romania (Kirtish ), 1-07.90 600 34 (10 ? Ls, 3 ? Ls, Long Nk, L) Wild Flower lost about 2Ls at the start & Romania jumped & did not raise an effective gallop.
06 Jan 2021 PUN Raees(C.S.Jodha ) 56 600 40, Unextended. (-4) 800M Inner Sand
18 Dec 2020 PUN Raees(C. S. Jodha ) 55 600 41 Urged. (-5) 800M Inner Sand
Win Legend said ...
19-Jan-2021The Indian Derby will be clinched by Trevor Patel... Mark my words fellas....
Turfking said ...
19-Jan-2021@ Srikanto Chakravarty
I understand it must have pinched you a bit by my quoting substandàrd kolkata horses. Frankly its a fact . Race No : 6 The cros Calcutta Champions sprint trophy. There was not a single local horse. The entire field was of horses from Bangalore , Mumbai , Hyderabad. I never follow kolkata races because the racing there just cant match up with Mumbai & Bangalore. Your mention of Elusive Pimpernel. Yes he was a great horse from Kolkata. But there are just a few more may be you can count them on your fingers. As you rightly said I am a NOVICE as I have just been avidly following racing since 1985. But I am still learning and may be not an expert on Kolkata racing scene.
Ruchi said ...
19-Jan-2021@GC RAJ
I fully agree with you.
1) ASHWA BRAVO:. did the trick at Chennai as fav and won as a champ next outing yesterday at decent odds
2)GOLDEN QUEST : did the trick at Bangalore as fav and then ran a tottally different race and nearly won when odds were good,in fact owner mate was hot fav ALLURING SILVER ( board out)
3) LAGARDE : UNBELIEVABLE,dead last in (4) horse 30 lengths behind and rider of such high calbre told in enquiry that he felt the horse will collapse. and that's why he stopped riding ( whom is he trying to fool,,)That day it was 30 paise.And next two outings it won two classics.....if this Is not humbug what is
There are 100 such examples more so post covid when races resumed.All the TOP FOUR riders ( of course with Connections support) are on a looting spree at all centres.They travel left and right to meet their aim.
Especially in Kol the lesser said the better.The four leading owners there hv horses distributed between (4) trainers so easy to....
Racing post covid is st the lowest ebb,see the races held in HONG KONG,MAURATIUS, AUSTRALIA.In every race we see finish where atleast first 6 to 7 horses finish in cluster seperate by just undr 2 lengths
Chanakya said ...
19-Jan-2021If Black Pearl accepts to run Indian Derby, should win the race...
Mahesh Gowda said ...
19-Jan-2021Well..Black pearl is a Hard and strongest contender in Indian derby..he has a very big heart..but still somewhere he struggled a bit to blew away his stable met cliffhanger a lower class horse..A Majestic Horse War Hammer has proved And Hammerd a Indian champion Colts And Champion Fillies on Mumbai Grass..Yes He is the one who do a Milestone in Indian Horse Race in Future...All d best War Hammer
Gc Raj said ...
19-Jan-2021Dear Ruchi
Defnitely Black pearl will run in INDIAN DERBY, will be the favourite,otherwise how other horses will get more odds, there is lot of discussion that top jockeys are assigned to some DUD horses in a race to get favorable odds for some connections ,also it is easy to EAT after getting good odds, this is the new trend in Indian racing now
Naren said ...
19-Jan-2021@ Win Legend
I beleive War Hammer has recovered well from the set back. He is tracking very impressively in Bangalore. If he is fit enough we might stand a chance to see him running this Derby weekend in Bangalore.
The Jokerr said ...
19-Jan-2021Hi
Not impressed by thr kolkatta derby, seemed like a farce. The two main contenders get dislodged, n then it was just a cakewalk.
The rin of Born Queen in S I Derby was impressive but there is lots of time for the Derby with the Hyderabad n Western India Oaks as well as Hyderabad n Bangalore Derbies still to be run.
Antibes won the oaks quite impressively n is a genuine stayer.
So the Indian to be run mid February is far off so better wait n watch
Win Legend said ...
18-Jan-2021War Hammer had a set back....
Prasannaa said ...
18-Jan-2021Black Pearl is from Galileo family so distance is not an issue. He s proved he has class.. Among all the winner or runners in Mumbai and Bangalore guineas, none appear to stay the Derby distance.. Winning Indian Derby should not be a problem for Black Pearl but he ll b facing the likes of Adjudicate,War hammer, Star superior in Invitation so winning Invitation would be bit tough..
Srikanto Chakravarty said ...
18-Jan-2021@Turf king- Sir, although I wouldn't fancy Black Pearl in Indian Derby. But please don't use the term "substandard Kolkata horses".Unless you are a novice you must have heared the name of Elusive Pimpernel who have dominatated every centres and broken every track records with that much penalty..I don't think India has ever seen such a picture of consistency....
Ramiyer said ...
18-Jan-2021Dear Fernandez.
I agree with your comments.Animals are also sentimental. After crossing the fallen Zoya both Jockey and Black pearl might have got mentally disturbed. Two horses fell down.Due to this agony it didn't run true to its potential.They went through the motion.
Just see the long strides in previous runs that was missing yesterday. It is a truly champion in the making.But till Derby field are know I can't say neither it will win or not.
If it runs it will be a hell of a race among Lagarde .Born queen.and some good hidden horses.
Subzero said ...
18-Jan-2021Born Queen.............The way she has a turn of foot reminds me of Adler.
Rajashekar said ...
18-Jan-2021Please You fellows no one knows what happens in a second so see watch wait Think and....... Sometimes not sometimes every time in race.im sorry not only in race we will be saying that I came to play this but I played that.dont say that???? so friend's be cautious Iam talkative Iam not good chatter try be strong I'm ending can't say more than that enjoy your way or change your ways.OFF
Turfking said ...
18-Jan-2021According to me Black pearl doesnt stand a chance in the Indian Derby. He has just raced against substandard Kolkata horses . So many mumbai & bangalore horses who find it difficult to win in their centres are raced in kolkata and they win with ease. Kolkata derby this year can easily be ranked as the lousiest race of the year. Absolutely sub standard and no class. Over the years many good Derby contenders have come from Kolkata but not this year for sure.
Blaise Fernandez said ...
18-Jan-2021@Ruchi
I totally agree with ur conclusion on the reply to my views but all of all hv diffirent views and this is a platform to express them as i hv in my previous thread.
All the best and may the best horse win but i stick with my small horse with a very big heart to win the prestigious event.
Beck17 said ...
18-Jan-2021Regarding the topic mentioned. Black Pearl is a phenomenal horse trained by Vijay Singh. But guys please remember that Mr. VIjays Singhs horses perform extremely well in Kolkatta but fail to perform outside prime examples being Dandified and Multitude. The true test of this trainer will be when his horses perform in centres other than Kolkatta.
Memerace said ...
18-Jan-2021BLACK PEARL VS BORN QUEEN
Ruchi said ...
18-Jan-2021BLACK PEARL mr FERNABDEZ,will not be entered in the INDIAN DERBY.
AFTER yesterday's run the owners will not even waste transportation charges for getting this one to MUMBAI.
If at all they take the risk it will be a futile exercise.It can show that type of acceleration only with Kolkotta duds.Actuaaly it is not accelerating but the horses behind are stopping.
Blaise Fernandez said ...
18-Jan-2021Black Pearl would hv won no matter wht in the Calcutta Derby. And dont go by the way it won yesterday as suraj knew tht its no use of exerting the horse as he had jus stable mate cliff hanger in front which he had to pass which was the worst amoung the other 2 horses who didnt participate.
Black Pearl will win the Indian Derby is my final conclusion.
Catch Me If U Can said ...
18-Jan-2021@RUCHI SIR.....
WAT UR SAYING ABOUT BLACK PERAL IN FUTURE WILL WILL FLASE FOR SURE ..THE RUN IN DERBY WAS JUST A MOCK RACE, WAIT AND WATCH HIS NEXT RUNS OUTSIDE KOLKOTA..... WILL BOOM YOU.... ALL DE BEST FOR NEXT CLASSICS IF U GOING AGAINST HIM .....YOUR FAN....
CATCH ME IF U CAN
Jp said ...
18-Jan-2021I don't think both will clash. No body knows whether Invitation will be held this year where there was a chance for both to participate. When Black Pearl runs in a better company in some other centre we have to watch how it fares. As of now it is a Kolkata Tarzan against Kolkata Lilliputs. I feel Born Queen's run in the Chennai Derby was more impressive against better opposition than Black Pearl's Derby win. Let us not compare Black Pearl with War Hammer now.
Ruchi said ...
18-Jan-2021BLACK PEARL ,from now on outside Kolkotta ,can be safely ruled out.
It's win yesterday was labourious ,it struggled to beat CLUFF HANGER who is nothing much.
There was abolute no fluency at all.
JUST FORGET B.PEARL ,it won't win a single classic out of kolktts
Srinivasan Varadarajan said ...
18-Jan-2021As far as I know No Chance, because after the deby win I have not seen WAR HAMMER on the track.
Azim said ...
18-Jan-2021Dear how can you compare Black Pearl and War Hammer. War hammer is great horse and Black pearl is yet to prove his metal. He won the Calcutta Derby with very small field and even Zoya would have given him a great fight but unfortunately she met with the tagic end. Black Pearl will not even place if he run in India Derby.
Zeddzzz. said ...
18-Jan-2021No Comparison. War H Iz Miles Superior To Black P.
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