@ITR,

Yes I observed in some cases. Now if we extend the logic for any race A winner with Full Jockey can be replaced by AJ of 5kg allowance to Win again but it does not happen so. Reason?? People can say next is not for horse's pet distance. Even it was same distance also horses won't Win This has been my subject of study. How much advantage a horse gets with Jockey Allowance?

My opinion it is negligible For a horse to Win again the time clocked should be sufficiently better than Normal Time for that class and for that distance at that Rating on the Normalised Handicap

Hello Sumant,

Thanks for the clarification.

At Rwitc and Btc, it is 6 kg. I am certain of that.

regds,
Cruise

5 kgs Statutory Winning Penalty after publication of weights is applicable at Kolkata, Hyderabad, Mysore and Chennai ... Am not sure about RWITC & BTC ... It should be either 4 or 5 kgs

Hello Sumant,

Thanks for stating the rule regarding the penalty a winner shall carry post the publications of weights.

Is it the same for all turf clubs of India or, is it specifice only to HRC?

Would appreciate the clarification.
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Hello Chanakya,

Sorry, did not notice what you had posted. My apologies for the lapse.
You too got it right.
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regds,
Cruise

Hello folks,

Sun got it right. Scramjet carried 50 kg ( 54 Kg assigned weight + 5 kg winner's penalty ).

So, unlike Rwitc and Btc, it is 5 kg at HRC.

regds,
Cruise

In all Handicap races, the winner of a race after publication of weights shall incur a statutory penalty of 10 handicap rating points corresponding to 5 Kgs. Should this addition result in the rating of such horse exceeding the upper rating limit of the race, thus contravening the conditions of eligibility will make the horse ineligible to run in that race.

@ Sun

     Yes. It is possible and permissable to negate or minimise the statutory penalty by making use of an Apprentice jockey's allowance. Folowingi s an example is one such case. It occured at Mumbai in 1973 and concerns a horse called BASANT (trained by Byramji) who won two races with just one day's gap.

MUM 26 Jan - WON Pachora Plate Cl VB. Handicap 51.5 carr. 49.0 jockey B. Vishwanath

MUM 28 Jan - WON Serenade Plate Cl VB. Handicap (incl. statutory penalty)  59.0 kgs. carr 56.5 kgs. jockey Ahmed Khan

 It varies  from  club to  club. RWITC normally  used  to  give  a penalty  of  6 kgs. (12 points) while HRC was  giving  5 kgs.  But  one  thing  is  sure  that  it  will  not  be  more  than 6 kgs. whether the runner  has  won  by  a  shorthead or  a  distance...

Hello ISR,

You have failed to understand my query. Let me explain it to you briefly.

Scramjet won a race on Monday ( 1st Mar'21 ) after weighjts were ALREADY published for today's races. Since Scramjet has been declared as a starter, as per race card, then it calls for a statutory winning penalty.
It is that I seek.

regds,
Cruise

It is 5 kg no doubt on that. 
At RWITC revised ratings are posted sometimes on the same day and hence I thought it is rated 

My computed rating is 44 so 0.5 kg advantage 

@ Sun

      I am not sure of the present position but I do remember cases long ago when the apprentice allowance was 7.5 kgs. in Western India. That allowance more than compensated the penalty. I cannot readily recall an instance but I am checking records and will revert one way or the other.

Scramjet has a fair chance.

Now an academic question if Statutory Penalty is 5 Kg, can this be nullified by opting for 5 Kg Allowance Jockey? Is there any restriction on Jockey to ride such a horse?

If no restriction does it mean that AJ allowance and the horse's performance are not corelated ?

Hello folks,

Thanks for the feedback but it has so many variations which has made the answer to my poser more difficult to comprehend.

Ksmrow says it is 6 kg whereas Sun believes it will be 5 kg and now GK Chavali claims it to be 4 kg.

I am sure there must be some clause which clearly specifies the penalty to be carried by a winner asfter publication of weights.

Would anyone to be aware of that?

regds,
Cruise

It's 6 kg penalty....it will definitely run...and play as a good thing.

I went through the increase  in rating points in respect of Downtown gal, Craze horse, MIRANA etc; after winning and I noticed  8 points increase.

I think handicapper users his discretion over and above the minimum penality.

In Hyderabad the handicapper normally penalises 8 or 9 points to a winning horse whereas in other centers it depends on how well the horse has won and the handicapper uses his discretion so that all the horses have equal chance. In my opinion the penalty is 4 kg. Extra.

Hi,

I think Scramjet will get withdraw tomorrow. You think about other horses.

Regards

Heera

Just now I looked at the card. Though Rating is shown as 33 only it will run at 43  Rating that is 5kg more than published weights 

Statutory penalty comes into picture if a horse is running on consecutive days before Handicapper has a chance to revise the Rating 

Here the Revised Ratings are published for all horses If not only this horse's Rating might have been revised. Otherwise it is 5 kg like Bangalore 

According to the prospectus in IR ,it is 10 rating points corresponding to 5kgs. In case the horse exceeds the rating points of the class,it will become in eligible to run in that class. Thanks for putting the question and I was able to go through and help myself and answer. I still remember backing few horses of Aziz Mohammed/Vasant Shinde combination who used to run a horse on Saturday and Sunday. Saturday it used to win as odds on and on Sunday with statutory penalty at 5/1. I just don't remember any other.

Hi, Yes 6kg in hyderabad also ,if connections wants still to run scramjet has to carry 60kg.