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By Saidas Kher | 13-Feb-2024

Hello friends I am  sharing  few points of how actually one can choose a good horse to bet on it. Some people prefer jockey some go with odds Sone go with dress Sone go with family connection some go with pedigree but actually There are other  more credible strategies out there ,that can help you make a more informed decision how we can choose n bet.Here are some of the my  main attributes to consider when i looking for a winner or place bet. 

A) I always read the horse and ask myself first that Is he/she ran well previously at today's distance? - Will this horse be able to hold this handy... Remember some horses run well in low handy n Some in higher handy. Can he/she handle this track/racing surface?How many horses running together Because  Some horses can only show their best when fields are small in numbers.I always Look at horse's post position like? - sprint races around one turn usually I favour outside posts, whilst route races, which include two or more turns, at longer distances i favour inside post positions.i always check previous videos. I always look into the distances , which is an essential part of getting good horses . most horses will tend to have a limit to how far they can go before their stamina gives out. Choosing a horse with proven stamina can be hugely beneficial, especially when the ground is testing.

B) I never ignore the trainer and his current performance.I feel it is worth examining the trainers  Generally speaking, trainers that win tend to continue winning, and vice versa.The trainers are a key component in the winning , so always keep an eye on this factor.

C) I also look at who jockey is because the jockey is a core element in victory of a horse ,but I don't select horses on jockey I select horses on their merits, remember it takes time for a jockey ,to get a feel for the horse,especially its behaviour .And, of course, certain jockeys fit better with certain horses - for example  C. S. Jodha with JULLIET...So for me jockey is as better as his horse is. 

 D)  I always keep an eye on horses who are previous race winners. If the same jockey is riding that horse, than  chances are high for a place,atleat  But many times I  have seen 99% punters who play by name of jockey fall in trap of trainer planning of giving a horse to renewed jockey after that horse have won  at very high odds under lesser known jockeys. I have always  found it fails miserably. 

E)  I never trust bookie odds... I am very honest... Might be shocking to learn but fact is if I have taken out a horse n planned to play,  I go for it at any odds might be place only . Tell me Who invented odds?  No one knows?  Ask yourself n tell me  does bookie don't play mind games by falcuating odds every second. If you are confident keep odds aside n play as much your pocket allows. 

F) I always see the entire day card ...this aspect is very important and if we makes use of it properly than nothing like it.Without doubt, one should definitely consider the race card and its form and features when picking a horse.When looking at a horse’s profile, always look at  handy and plates he carrying ...Always see his last race finishing Numbers don't get carried away with reports of mock race because I found mock race totally a misleading bullet. I always Consider the context of the form before making any decision. 

G) I don't know how many will agree with my paddock system of selection. I never play "Early to Lead Horse", Follow this you will find  99% early lead horses don't come on board..so for 1% I can't risk my money.I am honest, I always see is my horse in paddock or not.

This is my personal view .sharing with all my forum friends hoping it can be good for them also to become a independent selectors..

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39 Replies

Prinit said ...

19-Feb-2024

Mr Kher.. I play UK races only based on horse paddock looks. I win 3 out of 8 times. It works well where every horse is a trier all the time.

Ajoy Shah said ...

15-Feb-2024

@All.

Been going through the thread and found that it is now becoming egoistic.

Truth is majority of us have burnt our fingers and are searching for the right method (if there is anything like that) of making money from this sport, some playing last few decades and some relatively new. Yet no perfect methodology is found ,not only here but anywhere in the world. The number of variables are just too many. And the Funny part is we have actually no control of any of those variables.

We don't own the horses,nor trainers nor jockeys,we don't actually see the track works, etc. So we have absolutely no direct say in the races at all. We are only onlookers. We are betting amongst ourselves ( example the Tote)The bookmakers are a conduit for making money for the above  and the rest of them. Just for a moment think that no one bets in any races, what will the result at the races? 

No offence meant to anyone please. These were just my thoughts. 

PS. I just thought of an idea of which I will open another thread. Please do voice your valuable opinions.

Saidas Kher said ...

15-Feb-2024

@Mr Govindrajan sir,

@Mr. Godzilla sir,

@ Mr. Ashuash sir,

@Mr. Ksrao sir, 

@Mr Arun Boxy sir, 

@Mr. Veteran Punter sir, 

@IIM Blue sir, 

@Mr. Jitendar sir, 

@Mr. Sun sir 

@Mr. Sunik R sir

@Mr. Azim sir

@ Mr. Fazal sir

And everyone in this forum

With all due respect,  I have posted this article just to get feeling is what I do how many also others are having some same or equal complications.... We All have some different style n this we all know.. I was not sharing that this is best way to play I was sharing that these are my personal feelings... 

@Govindrajaan sir you know very well how much I respect you n i have always accepted open heaartdly  to you that I held very high respect for , Mr. Godzilla sir Mr. Ashok Mysore air Mr. Arun boxysir  Mr. Sps Mr. Thundetstrile Mr. Sunil R sir,  MSsAnushree n last but not least Mr. Sarat Sharma of trackeagle...

 Sir I am just a tinytot or say a mosquito in this forum... The respect you all have is actually the reflection of your success....

Mr. Jitender sir I never want to show I know much better than others because we all know their is actually no formula to play horse racing it's actual how one plays 

I shared my thoughts but I did not said or will never say that what I am doing is absolutely correct way.... I have bad experience with mock races that does not mean other too will have when I shared I thought people will come up with suggestions how to look into mock races but instead I became throne of eyes.... 

To everyone in forum I request let's keep the atmosphere as classroom where all are students no one is master.... We all together can do lots of great things ...For example in Delhi race my choice was number 5  but when it got withdrawn I checked with Mr. Govindrajan sir tips n Mr. Ashok Mysore sir n went with Accumalte in 5th race n  HALCYON in 6th race.... What that means we all are helping each other. 

Many people n punters In this forum will agree that many many times when we were totally broken it was tips of Mr. Godzilla sir which helped us.... It's common factor we all know sometime when our selection does not click we try to add someone's selection n try to make out. 

My dear friends n all senior members I request you all not to take me in wrong way. As said earlier n again repeating I am just a small mosquito in this dense forest... Love you all and extremely sorry to those whom if I have hurted... Have great season.... God Bless you all

Chase said ...

15-Feb-2024

@iim blue: Rightly Said Sir!

Godzilla said ...

15-Feb-2024

Jitendra

What's the experience you are talking about? With experience you should appreciate guys like Saidas Khers, instead of finding faults always  Even on my choices, you will give a totally negative response even without a study. I mean to say negative attitude comes always from you spontaneously.

Experienced people will not have criticism in their blood. One should shun the habit.

 

Ashuash said ...

15-Feb-2024

Racehorses can be unpredictable, unreliable and can turn out to be specious or inconclusive. 

Predicting the winner of any horse race especially any pattern handicaps with any degree of certainty is difficult,

Frequently impossible, unless you have the systematic effect and a disciplined understanding of Race Card.

It requires lots of Mathematics calculation and other parameters, but the points mentioned here [will or may not] be useful but to my knowing, it will be very usable, while working out the race card and also any system of handicapping.

Methodology:

1] How to read a race card for the day?

2] How to identify the equipment change and his effective / ineffective of that particular horse?

3] How to identify the horses which have a setback?

4] How to read the track work and his effective / ineffective?

5] How to read the previous running style of horses?

6] How to read the Handicap of horses and his effective / ineffective?

7] How to analyze the jockey change which will have effective or ineffective in horses?

8] How to identify 2nd or 3rd of a particular race?

9] How to Implement all this in Racing

10] How to Mange Money Management in racing?

Process:

1] How to view a race card [and mark any of that horses] for the day?

This area is extremely important to understand how the race card going to be for the day and also gets first hand information regarding factors such as trainers, jockeys, equipment's, time between runs and prize money, sponsors and interlinks of connections horses.

A] We should consider how various handicap / Trophy rated classes for the day has been framed and also the division of races including terms of race.

B] We should have glimpsed with trainers engagement for the day. [Can be adroit at race time for any chances for double, if there have won earlier in the day.] 

C] We should have glimpsed with the jockeys engagement of the Day and also which trainer or connection. [This will provide us with an idea whether there are trustworthy riding to them or not. ] [if any change, has to analyze what purpose. ]

D] We should also mark connections horse who is giving sponsors for the day. [It doesn't mean their horses have to win or placed but we have to study carefully merit or demerit of that horse]

E] We should mark the drawn numbers which coincide with Horse No. [If that card is a little bit confusing or tough especially in lower class or big Trophy Races, this point can come in handy, such that, we have to study these horses carefully]

F] We should mark the Positive or Negative Shoe and also equipment changes. ]

G] We should be the horses who're -- trainers and connection have placed more than ONE of that particular race.

H] We should have glimpsed at Racing Incidents and marks the horses if any.

I] We should have glimpsed at the allowance Jockey list and mark that Jockey who is nearer to the target. [This will also help to study that contender for the day how it stands]

J] We should mark Handicap allowance weight and also over weight of that jockey, side of that horse.[This will help [adding or subtract] of previous weight with present weight]

K] We should mark any horses which are running the first time after gelded. [This will be utilized to because if it is betting in range it will run cool, but if it is at longer odds especially moral intention of track work like gate practice and mock race will be in fighting line. ]

L] We should mark "SIRES or bred" which are informed and also suitable distance.[Especially useful for 2 years old and 3 years old terms race]

M] We should mark all the horses which are having track works.

N] We should study all the horses in that race with previous 2 or 3 runs and Mark [ if it is positive trend] including Jockey change / Distance / Handicap weight [+ or -] including rated. [Example: Running in Same class or promotion or Demote]

O] We should round of [younger horses are] of that race. If 3 years preceding is running, it will be worthwhile to study that animal before going ahead of older horses. [It will or may not] be gainful for lower class or any center. Still we will be inclined of that card in the fitness of younger horses. ] [If 2 or 3-year-old animals [running the first time without any track work] and won the race or by fighting line.] 

2] How to identify the equipment change and his effective and ineffective of that particular horse?

[This pattern is also very important to delete or add in our list of selections of that card]

Shoes: Before bestowing explanation regarding change of shoes always wants to clear that positive or harmful doesn't mean Aluminum or Steel. Here we look with the horses of previous runs how it is running with that Shoe. There are plenty of horses which have run extremely well with a steel shoe and also other horses have not run well with Steel Shoe, seem like opposites. Some horses have run well aluminum shoe but have not run with Steel Shoe. There are horses which have won or in fighting line with both the shoes. [We have to check previous runs how it ran the change shoes]

Here, we should find, if there gets no change in Shoe of that respective horse which we have marked on our card how it has run in previous races. If it is noteworthy tendency TICK, IT or CROSSED it. [Nowadays technology has vastly improved with one mouse click, we will get the details] [we can shortlist of horses in this race]

.Might be the object of Steel shoe how it is running. [We should be a little bit cagey, but, they have not given the track work after that run but change to steel shoe can be omitted. ]

Equipment's:

[This pattern is also very important to delete or add in our list of selections of that card]

I just want to clear that positive or Negative doesn't mean any equipment ON or OFF. 

Here I look with the horses of previous runs how it is running with that, said equipment. There are plenty of horse which has ran extremely  good with that equipment and also other horses have NOT Ran well said ON equipment., same like opposite. Some horses have ran fine with said equipment ON but have NOT Run with side equipment off. 

There are horses which have won or in fighting line with both the said equipment ON or OFF. 

[We have to check previous runs, how it  has perform with change equipment]

We  have observe lots of equipment changes irrespective of horses running well or not namely [Blinkers on or off] [HD on or off] [CNB on or off] [VSR on or off] [TS on or off] [XNB on or off] like this.

[This will give a clear picture once we check how it has Ran previous races with this kind of Equipment's] [If any horse which has won with these blinkers and change off Next outing we should be careful of selecting this kind of horses, but after few Runs again there will change the equipment but it will Run good Race.

Irrespective of equipment ON or OFF but how it fits for that horse is the most important thing. ] 

If it is a noteworthy tendency TICK IT otherwise CROSSED IT.

We can shortlist of horses,  In this Method.

3] How to identify the horses which have a setback?

In Racing Incidents we will get all the horses which has been observed Example blood vessel / lame / slowly off / cut injury or miscellaneous injury / did not raise a fluent gallop trainer was informed to show it mock race / erratic course / bruised the false rails / if the horse has won but there was inquiry trainer was informed to ensure a better performance in future like visa and other incidents. 

[These remarks have to mark the said Horse as discuss in How to read a race card. ]

Blood Vessel [If there is BV it will be difficult to perform better in at-least 3 races. The track work indication will bestow a clear picture still first outing after BV will run an unofficial race. ] [If it is a progressive tendency TICK IT or CROSSED IT] [We can shortlist of horses in this race. ]

Lame [I think there should be at-least 2 gate practices and soundtrack work to accept on our short list of horses in this race. ]

If the horse has won and there was an inquiry [I consider normally this contender will be in fighting line in Top 3 bases on intention of that card. ]

Additional miscellaneous injury [If there is NO track work after that Run we can cross it this type of base on the tendency of the card. ]

4] How to read the track work and his effective and ineffective?

Is this pattern, there will have a matchless method to check the track work of horses. Some will go with the best timing of track work and different methods. ]

I prefer horses which will be bestowed track by Rider Boy (RB), Trainer OR Same Jockey who will be astride. Nonetheless, some horses will be bestowed the track by some other jockeys, such cases, in my workout I will keep it has defaulted contender. "Depends upon the moment of the odds or the double of that particular owner etc. It will be borne in mind.

Rider Boy: The cause of bestowing to RB is that first preference weight of rider boy will be around 60kg. If that particular horse had a Impressive  or Good track work with RB The horse should find themselves in the fighting line, if Run on Merit.

Same Jockey. The reason for preferring the same jockey is that, any co-ordination is required and both can be nauseating and it will be very empathetic at the Spur of the Moment.

(I have list of Track work Style based on that it will be taken into consideration)

Effective:

a) Impressed

b) Easily held

c) Urged or Slightly urged [Mumbai and Pune]

d) Stared 5 lengths behind the finished level or ahead

e) Good Gate Practice

f) Easy [at Mumbai and Pune] [Not in any other center]

g] Good [-]

h] Worked Impressively

I] Worked attractive or attractive display

j] Note

k] well in hand [-]

l] Excellent Display

m] worked well

n] Superior or better [at Mumbai and Pune]

o] Moved Well [-]

p] Moved Fluently

q] noteworthy pair

r] Handy [at Mumbai and Pune]

 s] Excellent [ - ]

 t] Strode out well

u] Hard Held [ - ]

v] Ridden out

w] Caught the eye

x] Pleased

y] Retain form

z] Eased up

The rest will be substandard to my understanding.

5] How to read the previous running style of horses?

I will give preference to the contenders for having a superb forward Run in previous runs and also observe on spare horses that race how they have performed after that race. [If positive jockey astride and also advantage in handicap weight base on previous race. It will be taken into consideration]

Base on distance suitable of that horse - preference will be bestowed less than the aforementioned distance.

A] Weakened [TS ON added or already installed will give more preference]

B] Fell back / Went Back

C] Gave up

D] Dropped Back [TS ON added or already installed will  give more preference. ]

E] Improved [Preference will be given to same distance or Added Distance]

F] Covered Good Distance [Depends on the track work and also Added Distance]

G] Improved Slightly [Same distance or Added Distance]

H] Start to Finish / Set Pace [Less Distance]

I] Receded [After forward Run with same distance or Added and less Distance]

J] Moved along the fence

K] Finished or Ran or Ended [Depends on the track and also Added Distance or Same Distance]

L] No Show [If it is Demote and level matches]

M] Failed to quicken [Depends on trend]

N] Rearhorses

O] Warmed up [added distance or Pedigree sutable]

[Once we mark the contender of that race with these words, check the video of that particular race out there and check what exactly happen and plan accordingly to TICK IT or CROSSED IT. ]

6] How to read the Handicap of horses and his effective and ineffective?

A handicap is an unbounded subject, but there is no need to break our head. A simple calculation is [Previous weight - Present weight is Handicap weight [Preference is - if it is Reduced or same weight and if it has increased of previous weight can be ignored but have to check previous races how said horse has performed with the Present weight.

Now a days 3 years older horses which have won has also won in penalty of weight but have to check the tendency of the card.

Demote horses have had to see the difference of handicap level out there and check the horses from preceding races how it has performed with that weight and distance. If some horses have Not Run in demoting class that level needs to be adjusted with 6 kg of preceding races and see the weight depends on class even analogous applies to terms horse to Handicap Race. 

We have seen some horse after won or placed in terms of race has directly gone to 40 to 65 or higher classes. Nonetheless, it will be scheming for these horses be on fighting line but sporadic cases may be shining. Base on the tendency of the card can be crossed it or take it.

We have further seen double promotions horses, here also, if the level is not matched it cannot be taken into consideration.

7] How to analyze the jockey change which will have effective or ineffective in horses?

This pattern is, the most noteworthy area where much concentration and intelligent has to be taken care and find out whether the jockey riding in this trainer or connection is a regular one.

Once we see the analysis of the horse and the jockey, we can get an idea along with the track work's intention if the same jockey is working in a track work. 

While checking the video which was examined in 5, we will get an idea that jockey change is Right Perspective  or ineffective.

We cannot make much, if there is a thorough going preceding change in jockey riding whether top jockey or unreliable jockey astride owing to abundant reasons. 

8] How to identify 2nd or 3rd of a particular race?

One simple answer to this is, if the same connection with same trainer has more than 1 and less than 3 then the betting range horse has to analyse and also another 2 horses and check the racing incident of the betting range horse whether any ineffective notice and give more attention to other 2 runners and find out the jockey riding skill and the track work's intention.

Definitely one runner will be omitted by default and another one has to check with your liking  post what kind of analysis they are on that horse.

It will be considerably complicated if there are more that 5 or 6 runners in a race with Same Trainer and connection and also connection placed with another trainer. Race time indication also will be confused, but the study of that horse was cool regular jockey of that stable who has won before at longer odds and check it out the intention of that horse.

9] How to apply all this in racing.

Check in Implementation section [3]

10] How to Manage, Money Management in racing?

This pattern is the Multi Dollar Question and also it is a very gigantic subject not only in racing but also in our day to day activities and also Business Line. [As long as] we are controlled by the guidelines not only in racing but also in day to day activities, it will go smoothly?

Once we cross our limit then the situation goes awkward.

Discipline and determination are more important  "NO ONE IS ABOVE RACING" and EVERY DAY IS NOT SUNDAY and RACING is not a matter ot a DAY. IT IS FOR SEASON."

3.Implementation:

Once all the process done, we can dilute at-least 4 or 5 contenders in that race. See selected horses with your racing books from fleeting glance where you get an idea what kind of glance, that is mentioned to that selected horse if any. If it is a noteworthy tick ok. Otherwise Wait or cross it.

Once you have 3 horses in your short list of that particular race, check again with your favorite post and selected horses matching. Fi

gure out what kind of analysis given to your selected horse. 

If our selected horse is in the Right Perspective Tote indication may be in a positive trend. Rest depends on luck.

This is my view and any feedback About actual HANDICAPPING but for me after all this the two thing which is important for me is PENETROMETER READING for the day and FALSE RAILS POSITION. 

SIMPLE EXAMPLE IF A HORSE HAS FINISHED IN 1:26.00 RUNNING AT 3.2 PENETROMETER AND TODAY IF THE GROUND IS A BIT HARD OR SOFT SAY 3.6 THEN U HAVE TO DEVIDE THE TIMING WITH 3.2 AND CONVERT IT FOR 3.6 .. ITS MY WAY AND IT IS WORKING FOR ME .. IF ANYONE FEELS USELESS THEN THEY CAN CONTINUE THERE OWN WAY .. 

CHEERS ????????

 

 

Ksrao said ...

14-Feb-2024

Saida sir

My second question

Just recollect the era of legend MAM RAMA SWAMY.

Particularly in Chennai 7 out of 8 races were of the combination MAM/ R Foley/B Prakash. That too at 30 paisa or 40 paisa. During that time just think that what was happened to your points. Were they applied.

Arun Boxy. said ...

14-Feb-2024

@ saidas kher there is no horse selection by pedigree or form or fitness racing is fixing going by your selection now a days if your selected horse wins in first race for eg Raptor in Mysore your near and dear will post we won we are leaving for home thankyou Sai you are the saviour and if your choice wins in the sixth or seventh race your followers post we recover all our loss thank you Sai sir you are great,how much amount they have with them to recover in sixth race. Ok no offence Sai sir I can give you many race numbers date every details how races were run on that particular day 4th October 2018 Mysore dasara sprint race forum opened by Raj original his only choice was Flying show according to him he won many petis that day,what happened to accolade,tutankhanum, Trevor Suraj. In Pune race wild fire in race no 13 South paw was the favourite body weight increase at the time of race.gelding name SNOW trainer can't name him in a three horse race lost. So please once again I apologise to you as in some products this is mentioned injurious to health,Horse racing is dangerous so please gamble sensibly.Admin sir please post this thankyou.

 

Veteran Punter said ...

14-Feb-2024

@Saidas Kher

Let me narrate to you an incident from Mahabharatha that you should understand, assimilate, and follow.

It goes as follows:

When Guru Dronacharya was teaching archery to his pupils, which included the Panadavas and Kauravas, he placed a stuffed bird on a tree, called each of his pupils, asked them to hold the bow and arrow, and told them their target was to hit the bird's eye on the tree.

As each one came forward, he asked them what they saw when they took aim at the target. Most of them answered the bird, and he took the bow and arrow from them and asked the next pupil to come forward.

When Arjuna's turn came, he answered, "I see the bird's eyes". Guru Drona then told him to go ahead and shoot.
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You should stay focused on the task at hand and not worry about anything else.
Try it, and you will be a much better punter than you already are.

Advice from a true veteran punter.

Govindarajan S(chennai) said ...

14-Feb-2024

 

@ Saidas Kher, 

COOL

Concentrate in your hardwork and give your best selections.....it will tell.

 

Govindarajan S(Chennai)

 

Saidas Kher said ...

14-Feb-2024

Mr. Jitender iread what I wrote about mock race.. Non of the horses have won in next outing after mock race.... And leave everything within an hour your experience have come down from. 50 to 40.  ...anyway don't know where it will end... Let's have competition you give your tips I give mine til invitation n let's see whose horses comes on board more often... Odds wo t master... Centre won't matter... But both of our tips shall be minimum 4 hours before race starts.. R u ready... If I loose I swear I will never share my tips n if you loose you will never poke your nose in others tips ...Say are you ready to compete with 10 years experience guy... It's open challenge to you... 

Jitendra said ...

14-Feb-2024

@ASHUASH..your question of whether " weight" matters well..you have totally defeated the Handicapping that each and every Turf body works over follows.

This question of your really surprised me beyond imagination.

Nextly you say additional weight does not matter the why the statuary penalty of 5 kgs to a winner of that was the case the horse would gave continued to win irrespective of penalty.... kindly request think your logic ....

If that was the case why have different classes,why have different weights ,why some are bottom of handicap sonr top weight 

I hope by now you would have understood what I am coming to

Jitendra said ...

14-Feb-2024

MOCK RACES FROM BANGALORE AND RESULTS....

Mock race dated:12/8..

AUGUSTO WON AT 30/1

MOCK RACE 1/9

D THIRTEEN TWELVE:: WON

SOCRATES: WON

COPPER SUNRISE: WON

MONEY EXCHANGE: WON

MOCK RACE 27/10

IMPERIAL BLUE : WON

KNOTTY DANCER: WON

MOCK RACE 3/11

ERIDANI : WON

VICTORIA PUNCH : WON

MOCK RACE 30/12

ASCOVAL : WON AT 15/1..(First run after one year but won on strength of a good mock race)

So my friend I am 40 years senior and .....

Iim Blue said ...

14-Feb-2024

Mr. Saidas, well researched piece. But then everyone has his own way. 

    In my experience, I have found that the Trainer is the most important cog and it is beneficial to follow the trainer. 

           A trainer is in a best position to access the ability of a horse. You talk about studying the entire day's card but the trainer study's the entire season's card ; then he sets the target race for the horse. 

All tracks, swimming exercises, mock races are run for the benefit of the trainer to arrive at his targeted race. And then then the question arises, why he should share the winning horse with tipsters / punters?. He would like to keep the information to himself, unless he is a nonbetting type and the owner is a sporting type!. 

Hence we have to take all publicly available information with a pinch of salt and there we stand  !! 

          Trainer is the king of the game!!! 

Skr said ...

14-Feb-2024

Dear saidass kher.

Really excellent analysis.First watching the previous runs and videos of the horses participating in the race is the most important factor.

Prakash Singhania said ...

14-Feb-2024

Mr. Jitendra either you did not read properly what Mr. Kher write or you somehow did not understand what he wrote. Your experience is actually showing at this age eye sight does not work properly he have not mentioned any rocket science he have just explained his experience..... Sir you are senior most citizen both in age n experience in this forum... Burning request please read again but slowly... 

Godzilla said ...

14-Feb-2024

Jitendra

I am attending Races since 1963, Jockies Dix and Dixon days. Started attending at Chennai, I mean. more than half a century of years. 

Its not that a 10 years experienced guy cannot compete with you in winner picking, if guys like Saidas Kher has a smart head above his shoulders.

Now a days I cannot compete with my grandsons in any field. They are far ahead. As such dont boast you have experience in your side. 

Saidas Kher said ...

14-Feb-2024

Mr. Jitendra I challenge your knowledge let's from this Bangalore race till invitation cup whose success is better. Let's see is 50 years experience of astro calculation is better than 10 years of raving calculation. Will you accept are you ready... 

Jitendra said ...

14-Feb-2024

Yes I checked not last (6 years ).by the by I am in racing since past 50 years as against your 10.

Yes N LAGAD is champion trainer for many years

Point is NL had 180 runners last season but won (18) races.....So following him is it profitable or otherwise.

The champion jockey take out a book at any centre..will have 70 + rides and less than 20 winners so following him profitable?

Ashuash said ...

14-Feb-2024

Everyone have spoken about everything but no one ever in this ht from the start have discussed about the two most important thing ... Which is the only thing everyone have to know about in horse racing .. People talk about weight ao much .. Does weight really matters ?? Say 0.5- 1-2-3-4-5 kelos ?? ??? A horse like animal dont even know the extra 5 kelo weight .. Weight really dont matter to me and who know weather its true or no ?? When they say in book horse + or - 5 or 10 kg up or down how can u trust the inside people what information they give .. Even in morning track the person who note down the timing who know if its true ?? He might say few seconds less and the same will be printed on the book ..after the race the winner jockey go and stand on the weighing machine they just show that on the tv .. But who knows the actually weight ?? Its like people trust only good tipsters word .. Am not saying its wrong if ur making money by trusting some ones study then its not for a long time . I like to study and fail rather copy and pass .. So let me get ro the point the two main thing which is important in horse racing is one penetrometer reading and second one is false rails ... Every day penetrometer reading changes and in every center .. So to calculate speed u need to know this and false rails is important to find which drawer number is best for the best horse and best jockey.. U all can google about this two i dont think u will find much .. And if anyone know they can explain there knowledge if anyone wants me to explain about this then i can.. Let me know who is interested...

Punter Since 1999 said ...

14-Feb-2024

Guys it's  all old story of racing knowledge the real fact is your fortune on that day which gives you or the misfortune who definitely makes you cry. Dear all enjoy your own fortune with your money only not of credits, it's real misfortune.  Be yours guys.

Veteran Punter said ...

14-Feb-2024

@Sun

I totally agree to your statement. It could bettered by stating if a demotee runs under an allowance-claiming rider.

Jockey said ...

14-Feb-2024

What do you think about Touch of Grey in calcutta invitational sir

Suresh Mumbai said ...

14-Feb-2024

Mr. Kher sir some people are born to rule the masses n no doubt you are in that category... Your tips your guidance your way of explanation is mind blowing. Absolutely beautiful sir... You are born genius..... I salute you sir 

Saidas Kher said ...

14-Feb-2024

@Now win from paddock only God can select horse not punter I look at paddock only to see is my horse not lead early.. Nothing more brother...

Destiny@1 said ...

14-Feb-2024

HOW MUCH TIME WILL IT TAKE FOR U TO CHECK THE ENTIRE  CARD THOURGHLY... 

Jitendra said ...

14-Feb-2024

See the walking style of the horse and observe the hoof mark of front legs and hind legs 

While walking in paddock due to sand bthe hoof marks of horse appear.follow the horses walking style.when the back foot moves forward and it's hoof mark falls on the hoof mark made by horses front foot it means the horse is fighting fit

Another important point in paddock looks is the horses ears..if fit it will be alert  and straight

Saidas Kher said ...

14-Feb-2024

One more thing Mr. Jitendra when did I said follow jockey. Your English is not weak read carefully what I wrote about jockey n yes trainer I go with winning trainer n it's beneficial for season if not for long.... Check n say.... Narender lagad is champion trainer in pine for 6 years trot so recheck n talk... 

Saidas Kher said ...

14-Feb-2024

Mr. Jitendar prove your mock race points..  Give example... Fir trainer just watch Laxman Singh n. R. J. SEQUARIA  VIJAY SINGH all good trainers n have good horses but are they winning. Before jumping read what I have written. Now send me 10% of horses name who have done extremely well in mock race n when they came into racing in first outing after mock race they have won... Please answer this it's very important for me LMAO to know if I am doing wrong I will change my view courtesy Jitendra 

Now Win said ...

14-Feb-2024

How to select in paddock do u hve tip sir..?

Sun said ...

14-Feb-2024

@ Jitendra

A Demotee which placed say 4th inn Higher Class cannot be ignored if distance from Winner is not very large.Such horses fetch good Odds.

Anurag Bangalore said ...

14-Feb-2024

Sir mind blowing  superb absolutely brilliant... I tell you sir very informative article you have posted... How simply you explained every aspect... You are genius sir.... Thank you very much for sharing such a practical knowledge with us... 

Santosh Sharma said ...

14-Feb-2024

Mr. Kher read your article near about three to four times n tried to bring flaws in it but honestly not able to get one.... Amazing experience you shared... Hats off to you sir... 

Jitendra said ...

14-Feb-2024

Another point.. following Jockeys and TRAINERS is a sure shot formula to lose.

A trainer like N Lagad has 180 runners perform season and 10 winners.Jockeys..the leading rider at Bangalore Antony Raj has so far  50+ rides and 16 winners..with around 12 places plus a leading rider will always be in top two in betting no value for return means normally the odds given will be below 2/1.if 50 percent of his horses fail you are deeply in red

Pawan Kumsr said ...

14-Feb-2024

True everything is true...neveg trust bookies the are also doing business... 

Abdul Haq said ...

14-Feb-2024

Good words sir I am impressed.... It's sign of maturity 

Sunainana Agarwal said ...

14-Feb-2024

Yes sai what you have written is actually practical way of playing the game.  I agree with you.  You always guide us also in simple language. Win n quit is given by you now early to  lead agreed it's true. Thanks Saidas kher we all love you lots 

Jitendra said ...

14-Feb-2024

My personal opinion is unless one has a sound Handicapping or Rating system..the other factors like LOOKS,PADDOCK LOOKS,JOCKEY,WUNNING TRAINER, WINNING JOCKEY are all secondary and have very little bearing on the outcome 

Secondly a Front runner at bend does not " win" is the most illogical and vague method of ruling out any horse.

On the contrary my tip is if one wants to get hold of long priced hidden outsiders..see the replays , concentrate on a) runners who were leading and faded out,it means horse is fit else it cannot be in first five leading bunch.

b) note runners that were sleeping till bend and then ," fly" and finish close to the frame 

The above is one of the logical way to approach racing.

Don't touch a devotee for a couple of runs 

Follow a promotee

A horse whose body weight goes up by + 5 kgs has to be avoided as it has been only lazing and no work.

Note horses who were in body weight+ a few kgs then after a couple of runs it's (-) that means it was on work and is fighting fit.

MOCK RACES are a very good indicator.Taje out a list of MOCK RACES RUNNERS you will notice during the season 80 percentage of them would have won during the season

 

Prakash Singhania said ...

13-Feb-2024

Mr. Saidas kher this knowledge only  a experience punter could have shared. This what actually makes you stand high above all.  I liked your paddock system.. This actually happens ...i have seen myself many times.... Thank you Mr. Kher for coming in our life.  Thank you 

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