There is something better then astrology even way easier - tic tac toe - use this method will save time - results willl be on par-same- 

For me it's not ended. Looking at the website. You can cross check my selections..after this thread. I will update very soon.

@ Ajoy Shah Ji

The thread has not ended as there is no end of learning but the only crux is that the regular input has to come from people like you and other experienced contributors. The thread will come to an end if seniors and knowledgeable punters will stop sharing their reservoir of knowledge.

Once again lot of thanks to you and others like Thunderstrike, Larry, Ravi Gowande, Sun for parting and teaching their knowledge and with sincere hope that all will keep doing that in this very thread itself. 

A request to all others who keep finding winners may be not through Astrology or Numerology but by other methods to contribute and teach.

Regards to all.

Hi Ajoy, I keep checking for any activity, but there's none. 

Hi. Has this thread ended? Thought we would be learning from here. 

Dear Larry

If clearly my selections for the 10th March. 

I took number 2 and 7.

2 being the strongest , also kept number 1 in consideration because it was Sunday.

Read Ravi Gowande and your post on top weight  horses very late. Could have done better.

But I am gonna do research on the site you mentioned . Because I lost the jackpot by not keeping number 6 in 4th race   remaining in last leg i always keep five horses. My banker DEXA was also withdrawn.

Need understand why number 6 ? 

Thank you Larry and Ravi Gowande. Will do some reading and ask doubts

Dear Thunderstrike, 

On 9th you had a question for me, as to why no. 10 was showing up prominently, well, a bit of an explanation

That day, 9 was the date, ruler was 20, and day number, Saturn was 8. Now as I mentioned earlier, the purpose of me trying to find a link between these numbers is to try and figure out before the 1st race as to which number/s would be prominent, but that does fail at times, and it did that day, but the numbers had 20 as the ruler, now I missed out, in my earlier post, to convey how to deduce the higher numbers, so here it goes.... 

Higher nos for 1/8 are 16/17, 32/33/34/35,

for 2/7 are 14/15/28/29/30/31

same way, for 5 are 10/11, 20/21/22/23.

Basically, it's just doubling the numbers. 

So the ruler that day being 20, on the lower side we had 2, and on the upper side we had 5/10/11, etc. I hope this clarifies things. 

Actually, the way to go about for me is, find the link number, and also keep in mind all the strong numbers for the day, most of the races would be won by one of those numbers, either as card no. or draw no. 

Hope you find that site, renaissanceastrology, useful, it's quite effective but time consuming hence do not do that, but if you do, and find something strong for any day in future, please post it, I'd definitely keep that choice in mind. 

@Bhan,

In simple terms in Timing Analysis we try to estimate the Time likely to be turned out by participating horses at today's race Distance at respective Weights (after adjusting for Jockey Allowance being claimed now)

Towards estimating Times we take the Time turned out by a horse when it Won OR finished  closest to Winner in recent past max 5 previous races.

Today's Participating Horses may have run at different Distances,in Different Classes carrying Different Weights on Days with different PNR readings.

The challenge is to bring them to a Datum to compare Time likely to be turned out today to make a selections

I have given a detailed process in another post initiated by me to Normalise Times to a Datum Distance of 1600 Mtrs and PNR of 3.6.You can have a look at it

Thanks.

Vedic Astrology/ aspects are useful for individual analysis. Western aspects are useful in racing. Western astrology is more precise with mathematical calculations and plenty of softwares available. Use western aspects. Tomorrow Mumbai looks to be not good for favourites. New Moon day. Normally Highest weight horses win, on full moon day low weight horses win. 

Ravi Gowande

Pedigreestar 

@ Ravi Gowande JI

Sir, thanks for your reply. However there is one more querry - aspects which you are referring to are Western Aspects (Trine, Sextile, Square and Conjuction) or Vedic Astrology Aspects (Jup. - 5,7,9; Sat - 3,7,10; Mars 4,7,10). Please clarify.

Sir, please start giving good and bad days for punters and strong and weak favourites without bothering about those who just want to criticize, no one can please all, there would be people who would ridicule - don't worry, keep doing the noble work. Once again thanks a lot.

@ Sun Sir,

Sir, I had always kept you in high esteem in the matter of Ratings & Timings. If possible please elaborate your method in SIMPLE terms. Thanks.

Regards to all.

@Bhan,

No Physics No Chemistry Just 10Th Class Arithmatic is all what is required to do Calculations

Make it simple 

Point of fortune is an Arabic Point mathematically calculated based on Ascendent (Eastern Horizon) and position of Sun and Moon. It is a very important point. Plenty of online  free programs also who can calculate this for you. Mercury, Venus are also give results but 3 outer planets Mars, Saturn and Jupiter gives good payout. Point of fortune well aspected with Venus Favourites wins you can back for sure. Mercury is unrelaible some times. Pluto well aspected with Point of Fortune will give 100 to1 odds , Jodi Gull and Jack Pot carried forward. However Horses Like Set Alight, Jacqueline, Juliette etc have Pluto very strong in their birth chart. Occassionally Neptune is aspected with Point of Fortune then either major manipulation, doping incident,or exceptionally talented riding by jockeys. I will start posting Good or Bad day for punters, Planetary aspects for astrology students but few people here are not for any healthy debate or discussion. They want to criticize others

Ravi Gowande

Pedigreestar  

After sending my earlier post, checked my browser, and found what I was looking for, so here's the website.... 

https://www.renaissanceastrology.com/planetaryhoursarticle.html

Dear Thunderstrike, 

You asked about planetary aspects at race time, and I had found a site which helps with this, however, I don't remember the site name, please try Google, there definitely is a site, which I used to refer to. I will check on my browser if I have any bookmark for the same, and if I get it, will post it. 

@ Anilxk Sir and Sun Sir,

First of all my sincere regards to both of you and then I would like to know is there no alternative/system for those who have not studied Physics, Chemistry and Maths or there is one?

Respected Anilxk Ji, if Planets positioned light years away from earth can cause High Tides in the ocean, can't the vibration/rays of these effect the earthy living beings?

Please reply.

Regards to all.

@ Ravi Gowande Ji,

Sir, many thanks for your input in this thread. If possible please explain "Point of Fortune", does it mean the Ascendent Rising at that particular time or does it mean Xth House Cusp of that particular chart. 

While mentioning the Aspect you have only mentioned about the Three planets whose orbit is outside the orbit of earth. Does the aspect of only these three matters or the direct aspect of inner planets Mercury, Venus also gives the same result. Finally only Direct Aspect is to be considered or the Additional Aspects of these three planets also give the same results.

If possible and convenient please clear these doubts.Thanks.

Regards to all.

Sun , it will take time for me to reply on the topic. I am waiting for my laptop to be repaired. It's been 5 days. Hope to get the laptop by this weekend or next week . Very difficult to calculate on phone .

Also weight of horse being constant. Has some issues. I will revert back on that .

Also the speed variation you are adding for each 100m need to be re-check by me .

Different track has different speed after final bend.

I will surely get back to you on this.

Thank you, I am trying to find the best method with less failure rate

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Bhan , Thank you. I am just trying to minimise the failure rate. So trying to find out all the methods and check how I can minimise the failure rate. Even I am hoping other experts to join in this thread to help me and others to upgrade their skills.

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Ravi Gowande sir , thank you for your input. Yes 75% is a good strike rate.

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Mr Larry and Ajoy Shah ,

I am still waiting for planetary aspects for time of the race being run. Hope so Mr Jitendra will share some input. For now I have read these and noted and will be replying at the earliest . Thank you

Today's Banglore races. Since 3rd race number 3 is hot favourite to Win,of we go backwards placings of the first two races should be something like this.

1st - 3 -2/7

2nd - 2-3

3rd - 3

Mr. Larry, Mr. Ajoy Shah

Thanks. Thanks a lot for answering my querry on Link Numbers and to both of you Sir for sharing your knowledge and experience for the benefit of others. I always used to wonder why Mr. Ajoy Shah gives his preferences on a race to race basis but now it becomes clear that it is based on the progression of numbers. Please continue with your noble work of teaching like this.

Once again my heartfelt thanks to Mr. Thunderstike and once again a request to Mr. Jitendra and Mr. Ravi Gowande to participate in this discussion and contribute with their valuable knowledge and experience.

It is also a request to all other Senior and learned fellow readers to share their methodology of finding likely winners, be it based on Handicapping principles ,Speed Ratings, Analysis of Odds or any other method, may be in this thread or through a fresh thread. A majority of punters are on a loosing side and sharing the knowledge and experience can only help.

Regards to all.

@Anilxk

I share your views.Only thimg is how to use the Data availble is the issue.No Handicap Race is a One Horse race,there lies the challenge to pick out of horses coming into reckoning by Calculations

@Thunderstrike

I like your curiosity to learn different mrthods to solve the Racing Puzzle.Incidentally I am eagerly waiting for your response on Timing Analysis Thanks.

Astrology is a science or not is debatable point for many but it works at least for me. For common punter with low budget best way to earn money is to use combination tickets. Tanala, Forecast, Exacta,Jackpot,etc. If you see the hong kong races where it is regulated by the govt and horses are run on merit you will find 3-4 horses at the finish lines very close with each other and payout for combination ticket is huge as considerably less manipulation.

Divide the races between Favourite or Fluke first based on astrological parameters. 75 % times it is right occasionally it goes wrong but 75% is good strike rate. Favourite means first 2-3 horses on tote board. every locality there is point of fortune based on time of race. If that point is aspected with  strong Planets like Mars, Saturn, Jupiter payout is always very good. Favorite with Point of fortune aspectedwith strong planets  will give good payout in combination tickets.

Sepharial an English astrologer has written a book Silver Key 120 years back based on  studies made on English Racing. He has given plenty of methods which are useful. But you need to know astrology. For purely numbers Rasajo has written a book on Numerology which is very useful and published by Taraporawala in Mumbai. It gives good results if followed properly. But problem is you need to be present at the race course to use the method given in that book. It works pretty good.

Hard work is required in all this. Even though I do not do speculation personally much I have earned money from RS 2500 to 12500 with an investment of Rs 30-300 multiple times even on Derby Day I won the jackpot with an investment of Rs 300. But first better to check with your own horoscope speculative money earning is possible for you. Those lucky aspects present in your own horoscope or not. Only then speculate or enjoy Racing. 

Ravi Gowande

Pedigreestar.  

Dear Bhan, just addressing your query about the link number. 

Taking Thursday, 7-03-2024 as our reference. 

Thursday's number is 3, date is 7, ruler is 7+3+2+2+4=18

So the numbers to be considered are 3, 7, 4&9(lower numbers of 18). Now earlier, the way I used to work is wait for 2/3 races, check which of these numbers rule, and decide on the number/s to follow, but this link bit I feel helps me before the start of the day to figure out which number/s will rule. 

Please refer to my detailed post on the other thread to comprehend what I mention below.

So let's take each number. 

For 3, the pre-affinity no. is 1/4, out of which 4 is in our follow list, and 5/10 is the post affinity no. which is absent, so link is not complete. 

Now 4, pre-affinity no. Is 2/6/7, and 7 is present in our list, and post affinity no. 3/6, and 3 is present in the list, so link is complete, 7-4-3, so that makes 4 one of the strong number. 

For 7, pre-affinity no. is 5/8/9, and 9 is present in our list, and pist affinity no. is 4/9, and since 9 is used as pre-affinity, we use 4 as post-affinity, so link complete, 9-7-4, so that makes 7 our other strong number, but since 2&7 are linked, both were strong. 

Please note that only in case of the numbers 2&7, even if one of them is strong the other becomes strong too, and also 11, for other numbers I do not see this happen too often, maybe because these are the numbers of the Moon, the ruler of all planets. 

There are a few other things that you have asked, and others may ask, so let me wait a few days, and then spend some time answering all the queries together. 

Sorry forgot to continue after 5 th race. 

So after 11 winning and number 8 came on board -4th. I missed this too. See after number 1 had done it's part in the first 3 races( where it came first and after that in no other races )it showed up by its negative number 8.  It jumped and won. I was actually fixated on number 5 (because it had come in the  4 placings first race). I felt that time it won so I had also posted 5 in the 6th race for win/place .It came 2nd.( Both were Lagads horses).

One more thing that I have noticed,numbers of the 1st race will mostly come the whole day. And if ever a higher number like 11-12-13 etc comes either 2nd 3rd or 4th in the 1st race,be rest assured that number will 100% win on that day. 

Hi Friends

Ours is an open society which accepts all thoughtlines. If somebody think that planets positioned light years distance can influence horses , they can.

For me racing is purely science and data based.

Chemistry

Physics

Mathematics

And luck for last 10 m

@Larry. You asked how I got 11 &10  in the 5th and @Thunderstrike you had query why 3rd race 1 won. Ok. Just writing the placements on which basis you will understand and also will give you a tip which rarely fails. 

1 2 4 5.    1 3 2 5

2 1 3 4.     2 5 1 4

1 3 4 2.      1 4 2 3

6 2 4 5.      4 3 5 1

11 10 2 8.  11 5 6 3

First one of the tips is: Always any number which has come 1st and immediately goes 2nd  or 4th WILL win.(Coming 2nd is best)But remember such  number should have started from winning place. A number which has come say 2nd or 3rd or 4th initially and has won and gone 2nd is not a certainty. Such a number will go back to its initial place in the subsequent race. So @ Thunderstrike in the 3rd race number 1 won. Because it jumped to 2nd place immediately after winning. It had to win. I posted that confidently in that thread.

Now Larry, the 5th race. See the numbers placements. 1 had finished it's jumps. 2 started from 2nd position and won then went 4th and ended 2nd ( from where it started,). 3 or 6 just won. 4 is consistently coming 3rd and 4th position. So that leaves us with 5 ,10,11, and 5 had just shown up in the 4th position after the 1st race. So was definite that the 5 and it's opposite higher number has to come. Since 6 had come earlier, normally if a higher number has come in the earlier race, the next race too a higher number comes. So it has to be 10 or 11. Also as per study I had mentioned 11 in the morning post . 

I missed out the 4th race winner as I got preoccupied with number 2 but then saw it ended from where it started,that is 2 nd position. Even it's draw (number 3) ended up from where it started.. 

Mostly any number will show itself 4. ,times in a day. And they will jump in a particular manner and place themselves exactly from where it starts. 

There are quite a few other pointers but it will be too long to explain here. 

Hope this helps and becomes profitable to all of you.

@ Mr. Thunderstrike, Mr. Larry,

To begin with thanks to  these two gentleman, for starting this thread and specially to Mr. Larry for generously providing his inputs on this topic and subject. Would have been great if Mr. Jitendra and Mr. Ravi Gowande too had also come and had taught some tricks from their store house of knowledge and experience,

Mr. Larry, would be greatful if you could shed some more light on Link Numbers also because without that the whole exercise would not be as effective as it should be. Another request to you is could you please check Race No. 8 of 3rd March and explain how come No. 12 didn''t come in first three. If you remember Mr. Jitendra had clearly mentioned that No. 3 and 12 are strong on that day and in addition Race No. 7 was won by No. 4 (Magento) which has affinity with No. 3/12.

Once again thanks for providing your inputs and again a request to Mr. Jitendra and Mr. Ravi Gowande to participate in this thread and share some part of their knowledge.

Regards to all.

Bhan

Larry

I have gone through your post and will try to understand and get back to you at the earliest in this thread.

Just wanted to mention one more thing that I missed out, when considering the nos. 2&7 do consider 11 too. 

Ajoy Shah and Thunderstrike, thank you. Just wanted to add something to my post, in my affinity numbers I made one mistake, actually 10 and 11 are followed by 1&8, so please bear that in mind. I did mention that if one is patient the numbers do bail you out, and it happened in the 6th race, with no. 11 in both card and draw no. I was confident that 1 or 8 would win, but because 1 had draw 8 I went stronger on Atomic Angel, and played half the amount on Zacapa, one at 17/1 and the other at 15/1, and Zacapa obliged, and I recovered my losses for the day and made a decent profit, and was about to leave, but Akshay's mount was at 12/1, couldn't resist, and played just a 1K bet on him, but lost, but because of following the affinity numbers I walked out of the race course a winner, so all I want to say, as Ajoy mentioned, patience is the key, and also, as rightly said, it takes about 3 races for us to figure out which numbers are strong. 

@Larry. Indeed a good post by you. Helping each other and learning everyday goes without saying. Had started this method around 1988 or so and had quite a good following at the course . I always leave the first couple of races for the numbers to place themselves and then get a clearer picture. In all these years have noticed that in a day atleast 1 confident bet can be made  and we need to follow that. But we tend to play every race and many times become biased. The kind of outsiders we get following numbers is really astounding. Of course like everything else in life,sometimes the numbers go absolutely haywire and that should be a indication to stop for the day. Study the card,shortlist the winner's and then see if the numbers are supporting. Sometimes it is the card numbers and sometimes it is the draw numbers which work . To deduce the pattern they will take is the main lesson we need to learn. 

Larry good work but sorry can't go on it.... I am sorry... In my 20years I played racing but not like this n will never  go... Good way to start new bussiness... I am seeing your tips today n i hope it stands good... Now please say whether to play place or win because place your choice won't give because all are half money favourite will all win

I'm posting this not only for Thunderstrike, and for Ajoy Shah - both having shown interest in a few things, be it about numerology, or about the way I go about filtering my choices – but for anyone else who'd like to grasp something about racing, not saying that I'm an expert, but just sharing things which have worked for me, and possibly might work for you guys in future.

At the onset, please let me make a small request, this post is to encourage learning, because there's no end to learning, we learn something every single day, and even with racing it's the same, because today, even after being in the field for a few decades I feel the need, the urge to learn something new, and most of what I've learned is from this very forum, when earlier, this forum was a source of enlightenment, and lots of learned people shared their knowledge, but unfortunately it's not the same anymore, so because I've learned so much from here, I feel like sharing some things that I've learned, because I'm sure there are many out here, who like me are keen to learn and hone their skills.

Well, the thread has been initiated on the basis of astrology, however, I'd like to admit, I know not the heads or tails about astrology, all I know is that astrology is the science of planets, and every planet has its unique number, and that, along with the numbers of the day and the ruler (addition of all the digits of the date, month, and year) is what I take into consideration.

There are some things I mention out here, which I've been following, which have worked for me at times, but many a times I have doubts if I'm doing it right, and the only person who I feel is more enriched with knowledge than me in this field is Ruchi(Jitendra), and I'll share an example towards the end to convey why I feel so.

Now as I mentioned earlier, the effective numbers for the day are the number of the day, the date, and the ruler, and as regards the number for the day I consider the following.

Sun – 1/4         Mon(Moon) – 2/7        Tue(Mars) – 9   Wed(Mercury) -5  

Thu(Jupiter) – 3            Fri(Venus) -6                 Sat(Sarurn) – 8

Now for the date and ruler I take today's date as an example…. 07-03-2024.

The date is 7, and the ruler is 7+3+2+0+2+4 = 18

So basically I have the number of Thursday, 3, the date 7, and the ruler, 18, which adds up to 9 (also, linked number 4 to be considered).

Before moving ahead let me mention about the linked numbers, which basically are the lower and higher numbers.

So 1-8, 2-7, 3-6, 4-9, 5-10&11, and in case of cards with bigger fields we also need to take the higher numbers into consideration, so 16/17 is 1/8, 14/15 is 2/7, 12/13 is 3/6, 18/19 is 4/9.

I know this may sound quite cumbersome for many, so for those who feel so please move on, but for those who are genuinely keen, I continue.

Now how to figure out which number is strong out of the numbers worked out for the day, this was my pain area for quite some time, but recently I worked out something, and that has been working for me, and that is to find the link number, that one number that links the other numbers for the day, and ever since I've followed this I've been getting good results.

I mentioned earlier about me valuing Ruchi's inputs, and I'd like to give an example over here to convey why I feel compelled to do that.

Last Sunday, 3rd March, the numbers to be considered were, date 3, ruler 14 (lower number 5, and higher number 2&7), and day (Sunday 1/4), and with these numbers, figuring out the link number was difficult, because there were many, but Ruchi, in his post had mentioned that Jupiter(3) was strong, and it actually was, at least for the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th races, and in the subsequent races the number 3 didn't have any worthy contenders, so obviously, just because there's number support does not mean that non-worthy horses start winning.

Now to find the link numbers, maybe this would help; every number has an affinity number, and the list is as follows.

1 & 4 is followed by 3/6           

2, 6, &7 is followed by 4/9        

3 is followed by 5/10/11                     

5, 8, and 9 is followed by 2/7    

10 is followed by 1/8

In case further clarification is sought, I'll do so later, because this post is already quite big, but there's one thing I'd like to share to convey to one and all how importantly numbers play a role at racing, and many a times, at least for me, if I'm patient, I do get at least one opportunity to get out of the red.

Now last Sunday, in the 7th race, something happened, which puts in a nutshell a lot of things mentioned above.

The results of the earlier races pointed towards the numbers 2 & 7 as the probable winner, and I'm sure Ajoy might have noticed that too, and me, being a bit strong on Subhankar, thought that he'd win, however, being a big day, an average jockey like Amyn Merchant might not get a chance, I thought, so I started looking at the numbers again, and I'm glad I did, because, in the 6th race, the numbers 2, 6, and 7 all came good, and if one were to notice the affinity numbers above, these numbers are followed by 4 & 9, and out of these, Magneto, with card 4, with Saqlain atop caught my eye, and decided to play it. Also, just following the affinity numbers I took 10 Tanala tickets each of 4-3-5 and 4-6-9, and the first one clicked, also, quite coincidentally, if we were to look at the draw numbers for these three, it's 5-2-4, once again, affinity numbers at play here. Now if I did have a bad day till then, this would have bailed me out, but I did have an amazing start that day, all thanks to Ruchi, who suggested that Shamrock is a lay bet, so I made good money on a 3-way roll of Miss American Pie – Lady Sunshine – A Star is born, and these were the only confident choices of mine, as posted, other than Shamrock, and it's just Ruchi's input that made me ignore Shamrock, and click that bet.

Guys, there's much more that I need to learn, and so do you too, and if you guys – Thunderstrike and Ajoy - are keen, and if you need any further clarification, please post that on this thread, I'll try to give my inputs whenever there's a query from your end.

Let me end this long-ish post by saying, "Let's help each other," and also, "we never stop learning," so for the nay-sayers, please refrain from negative posts, it's not meant for you'll, but for anyone who feel there's worth in what I've mentioned above, I'd be glad to spend some time for you guys, and clarify any doubts you have.

@Abel D Raj,

FYI, numerology helps to linking horse racing system to astrology. All racing outcomes are as per astrology. You pick a horse and then look for astrological matching NO NO. First select a horse as per astrology and play. Don,t expect your selection should match astrologically. Astrology helps you for high return. Here high return means it may win or SHP or THP or places. In the last Delhi 7th race, favorite win/place 1 Royal Baby(45 17) better or SHP/place 12 Tesoro(237 67) better? You should totally surrender to astrology then see the return. Please ignore anti astrological people. If you with little effort study Jitendras post, you will get high return giver horse. Good Luck To You!

Larry

Yes , I will follow this thread. I am eager to learn from you. 

Godzilla

Thank you for appreciation, I just want to test the success rate and then incorporate with my method.

Chennai king

Probably or probably not. I have to apply and check the success rate then only I can share my opinion. For now Mr Larry and Mr Jitendra have not failed with their astro calculation.

Abdel L Raj

As far as I know , planets have their own numbers . And numerology doesn't work without planetary aspects. But may be I am wrong. I am waiting for experts to guides people like me. Hope so it will clear your doubts too 

JP 

I completely agree with your statement except last line that it won't work for racing. Let me learn and apply to check the success rate, till then it will haunt me .

In simple terms, if your horoscope is good whatever you venture into becomes successful. Thousands are born at the same time matching micro second/nano second but only fraction of that becomes successful. Among the successful only fraction of that reach the top.Same time same horoscope and why is this difference ? This is the beauty of creation. Good astrologers are hard to find. Now you have so many astrologers and there are coaching centres. According to me astrology will not work for racing.

Our field is in numbers. So I feel it's best to have Numerology in place of Astrology. Are they interlinked?

I don't accept.... Astrology have and will never have any impact on horse racing.... Total time waste money waste if you play as pet astrological sign..... It's nothing but misleading. ...

Thunderstruke

Your tips are far better and don't venture into taking another route which according to me is absurd.

Hello Thunderstrike, 

I truly feel honoured by what you have mentioned, and rest assured, I will share a few things that have helped me, but I need some time, so please do keep visiting this thread to check on what I have posted, maybe in 2-3 days.