Basically for classic races horses have to rest min 15-21 days from previous participation.

Veteran Punter

Point noted regarding fillies , I have updated in my data. Thank you so much for educating people like us. 

I hope in coming racing days I will be able to use these data and update my skills.

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Lim Blue

I was wondering , when will this topic be pointed out . Yes indeed ,you are absolutely right saying " trainers  **all depends on the philosophy of the trainer. With valuable horses trainers carefully design their itenary, so that the horse could reach it's peak form at the right time. Ordinary horses tend to run more often and in some centers (Mysore & Ooty) horses run frequently with the sole aim of bringing the handicap down. Trainers like Narendra Lagad run their horses frequently with the aim of winning prize money for the owners and that has served him **

Please read this 

https://www.indiarace.com/Home/oneResultByRaceNo?venueId=1&event_date=2024-03-13&race_no=131

Read the racing incidents , how the trainer has escaped with explanation.

To everyone

Please note the below given link.

https://www.indiarace.com/Home/oneResultByRaceNo?venueId=1&event_date=2024-03-13&race_no=131

Read the racing incidents , how the trainer has escaped with explanation.

@Thunderstrike

Highland Rule, Cordon Bleu, Jacquelin, and Astrea are all of the female gender.

To refute the myth that fillies need a longer break between two races, I cited them.

@JP

Well, I have the exact dates on which Cordon Bleu scored her aforementioned classic victories. It is gleaned from the book written by Maj Nargolkar, highlighting the exploits of the legendary trainer R.R. Byramji.

Bangalore 1000gn - November 21, 1987
Bangalore 2000gn- December 2, 1987
Bangalore Oaks - January 2, 1988
Arc De Triomphe, January 26, 1988
Indian derby - February 7, 1988

Over a 36-day period, she emerged victorious in three extended 12-furlong classics.

@JP

Bangalore 1000gn and 2000gn are held on consecutive weekends, if my memory serves me correctly.

Jacqueline won four, not five, Indian classics. The Indian St. Leger was claimed by Change of Luck, who pipped his stablemate, raging-hot favourite Becket, on the post with the flare of a nostril seperating them.

Bangalore winter classics are not run with 1 week interval. So Corden Blue never ran every week. Only Jacqueline ran the 1000 and 2000 in Mumbai with a gap one week. Jacqueline is the only horse to win all the five classics in Mumbai and lost by a short head in the Mumbai Invitation. Corden Blue won the Bangalore Derby and won the Indian Derby after a gap of one week.

Seetharama Rao

Point noted. 28days

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Praveen Yadav

I wanted to know how a horse can perform on both days ? So , you mean to say a horse running on both days if in merit can be considered but if the same horse runs after 6 days then it should not perform . Right ?

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Mishti

Point noted.

And thank you so much will be referring to the site for trackwork purpose.

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Lalwani Bihari 

Point noted. But in Hyderabad they make horses run for both days and still they perform.

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Passion And Patience 

Point noted. I will check this with coming results.

"For Colt and Gelding minimum 14 Days Gap ,and for fillies and mare min. 21 Days of Gap is required for racing . This Gap is for fit horses only."

Very good information. 

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Veteran Punter

Thank you so much . Very informative. I didn't reply to thread because I didn't want to interrupt you ,pepps and JP.

What I have understood that The gap is more important in case of filly instead of colt. 

A colt can perform without gap . 

Thank you for sharing information with regards to Late trainer Mr. Uttam Singh  and Trainer Mr. Pesi Shroff 

Noted : "there are no hard-and-fast rules regarding the gap required between two races for a horse. It all depends on the class and form of the horse"

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JP

Point noted with regards to trainer Aziz Mohammad. Thank you

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Thank you all for sharing your inputs.

With regards to Kolkata races 19th March

Failed horses compared to their previous race run recently 

Filly/ mare : MAGNITE , 

Colt/ Gelding /rig : SUN GOD , KINDRED SPIRIT

Horses who performed with gap less than 21 days

DRD 16 days gap

SHEZ R STAR 5 days gap

ITALIAN GOLD 15 days gap

SUPARAKIGA 5 days gap

DUBAI KING 15 days gap

DUBAI STAR 5 days gap. ( Here the last run itself was experimental , the jockey was just pushing and covered so many lengths from final bend, I had a doubt they are trying for longer distance. But race days gap made me think twice)

Today  20th March also in Kolkata there are  horses running with 5 to 15 days gap, but as it clear only Bangalore, , Mumbai and Pune centres it might effect.

There is no hard and fast rule. It all depends on the philosophy of the trainer. With valuable horses trainers carefully design their itenary, so that the horse could reach it's peak form at the right time. Ordinary horses tend to run more often and in some centers (Mysore & Ooty) horses run frequently with the sole aim of bringing the handicap down. Trainers like Narendra Lagad run their horses frequently with the aim of winning prize money for the owners and that has served him well. 

     If a horse can track everyday, why it can not run frequently?. After all, a horse is born to run. But then, trainers have their own ideas. They forfeit the prize money by allowing the races to run void for paucity of entries. Very strange! 

   More than three decades back there was a talented gelding Smooth As Silk with Sardar Singh stabled at BTC. As a 4 year of he was placed 4 th in a Colts Classic and won Class 1 race at bottom weight at BTC. Then he was sold to MAM and all was forgotten about him. 

        More than a year later, he reappered in Ooty, at the bottom of Class 5 B. He ran on 10 race days continuously, Wednesday, Saturday, Sunday.... and so on and on and won every time and of couse at 30 paise each time!. 

@JP

How could you forget Cordon Bleu, who won five classics almost every week?

She won the Bangalore 1000gn, 2000gn, Oaks, and Derby and then annexed the Indian Derby.

The horse jointly owned by MAM which ran in all 4 Derbies in a span of a month is Cupid. This horse was ridden by Vasant Shinde. MAM  was the first to spot the talent of V Shinde and the first Derby won by him was Half A Crown in Madras. MAM presented him with a new Fiat car. This was the first car of Vasant. He bought a first house in Bangalore and it was named by him as "ROYAL TOUCH" the first winner in his career. Last month I went to Bangalore and happened to pass that side. The house appears to be painted recently and the name Royal Touch still remains and so the house is still in his name. After a stint with MAM he was swapped with M.Jagadish from RRB. Jagadish had a long innings with MAM and was short of 1 classic win to complete a century of classics when bad back sprain/pain forced him to retire.

War Hammer and Zuccareli won the Bangalore Derby on 26th January and won the Indian Derby next week. Jamari also ran both the Derbies and won at Bangalore and finished 3rd in Mumbai.

There is no stipulation or mandatory time gap between two runs. I think it was trainer Aziz Mohammad who used to race his wards on consecutive days with jockey V.Shinde. The horse used to win on day one and carry the stipulated extra weight for winning and running in the same class on day two. It used to win on day two also. MAMs horse finished second in Hyderabad Derby by a short head and took part in Mysore Derby within 2-3 days and won the Mysore Derby. Diabolical owned by MAM won the Hyderabad Derby and within 7 days won the Indian Derby at Mumbai. He jointly owned a horse(forgot the name) which ran in all the four Derbies (Kolkata , Madras, Bangalore and Mumbai)  and finished in top 4 in all the Derbies.

@Pepps

Yes, you are right. I mentioned the dam of Astrae instead. Hence, am reposting.

@Thunderstrike

The late trainer, Mr. Uttam Singh, has stated openly in print media that fillies require more than 21 days after a gruelling run. He was known as the King of Fillies, as he was a champion at getting the best out of them.
His filly, Highland Rule, won the Indian 1000gn and 2000gn within a span of seven days. He could have repeated the feat with Indian 1000gn winner Potential Champion in the 2000gn but for the rank bad ride by Robin Corner.

The current King of Fillies, Pesi Shroff, did the same with Jacqueline. He had tried that with ASTREA (Placerville - Priceless Asset( earlier, but it ended in disastrous consequences. Astrea ran second in the Indian 1000gn and then ran in the Indian 2000gn a week later, finishing second, but she could not bear the strain and broke down and never raced again.

Strength To Strength won two group races, the Sprinters Classic on the first day of the 2004 Invitation Cup weekend, and then repeated the same in the Super Mile Cup the next day.

Spectacular Quest won the Sprinters Classic and finished third in the Super Mile Cup a day later during the 20006 Invitation Cup weekend.

What I am trying to convey is that there are no hard-and-fast rules regarding the gap required between two races for a horse. It all depends on the class and form of the horse.

I do hope the above is to your satisfaction.

Priceless Asset was trained earlier by Jim Foley and later by Dallas Todywalla. She was second in 1000 Guineas but did nor run 2000 Guineas. She won good races afterwards.

Priceless trained by Ganapathy was unplaced in 1000 Guineas and never ran again. 

Both Priceless Asset and Priceless were owned by MAM. Shroff did not have trainer's license when they were racing.

@Thunderstrike

The late trainer, Mr. Uttam Singh, has stated openly in print media that fillies require more than 21 days after a gruelling run. He was known as the King of Fillies, as he was a champion at getting the best out of them.
His filly, Highland Rule, won the Indian 1000gn and 2000gn within a span of seven days. He could have repeated the feat with Indian 1000gn winner Potential Champion in the 2000gn but for the rank bad ride by Robin Corner.

The current King of Fillies, Pesi Shroff, did the same with Jacqueline. He had tried that Priceless Asset before, but with disastrous consequences. Priceless ran the Indian 20000gn after finishing second in the Indian 1000gn a week earlier, but broke down and never raced again.

Strength To Strength won two group races, the Sprinters Classic on the first day of the 2004 Invitation Cup weekend, and then repeated the same in the Super Mile Cup the next day.

Spectacular Quest won the Sprinters Classic and finished third a day later during the 20006 Invitation Cup weekend.

What I am trying to convey is that there are no hard-and-fast rules regarding the gap required between two races for a horse. It all depends on the class and form of the horse.

I do hope the above is to your satisfaction.

 

Thank you all for the Inputs, still I need to understand will a horse performance affect if it is running within 8 days of its previous run.

Today in Delhi few have performed and few didn't even touch the frame.

Tomorrow again in Kolkata we have few horses running after recent runs.

Please kindly help me understand. Thank you

@Thunderstrike


Everything is contingent upon the horse's form and ability. For your understanding, I will give you a few examples.

Speaking with any racing professional will reveal their belief that fillies need a longer break.

Although the late Trainer Uttam Singh publicly acknowledged the aforementioned, his filly HIGHLAND RULE went on to win the Indian 1000gn and 2000gn in just one week.

Over the course of seven days, Pesi Shroff's trained filly, Jaqueline, won both the Indian 1000gn and 2000gn. The opposite was true for his filly Priceless Asset, who finished second in the Indian 1000gn and never racing again soon after her failed bid in the Indian 2000gn, as she broke down soon thereafter.

Strength To Strength of the male gender won two group races on successive race days.

 

Banglore, Mumbai and pune racesgood

Lalwani bhai hyderabad horses run every week please check only bangalore nmumbai have time limits

Sorry Mishti it's just kolkata where because of fever horses they run horses on regular basis but in centre like Delhi hyderabad mysore chennai horses are ran on regular basis

For Colt and Gelding minimum 14 Days Gap ,and for fillies and mare min. 21 Days of Gap is required for racing . This Gap is for fit horses only.

MINIMUM 3 to 4 Weeks * * GOOD CENTERS LIKE : MUMBAI / BANGALORE / HYDERABAD  * * REST ? ? ? 

@Thunderstrike

I don't think there is any thumb rule regarding gap required for a horse to perform well in centres like Delhi and Kolkata. I may be wrong here. As the number of horses are less in these 2 centres as compared to other centres, you will see most of the horses running practically every week. Atleast in Delhi you will find races where the number of horses participating are more than 8, but in Kolkata you will see the number of horses participating in a race is ususally less than 8.

I am not sure if there are videos available as Delhi Race club website does not have them available, but you can get the track trial details and other many information (like position of the horse at bend and final placing, etc.) at:

https://originalvelracing.com/meeting/delhi/winter/2023/18

I hope this helps.....

Dear sir 

In invito cup mostley same horse perform both days and always in place

Regards

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