That query can be best answered by Sagar ji.

Chase

My apologies, I didn't pay attention to the racing incidents. Will not repeat the same mistake.

Sir, can you tell me about the racing tracks of 

Mumbai, Pune , Kolkata , Delhi , Bangalore , Mysore.

Like after final bend , how much distance from winning post ? 

Thank you, will try to make sure no over thinking.

Once again sorry for not reading the racing incidents.

Full of Observations!Full of questions!

Again asking questions withutsharing one's own reasoning. Reading too much inevery small detail? Indulging in Overthinking ?

This is the official  report on that particular inscidece: "  observed that App. N. Bhosale (UNTITLED, dr.8) lost his left stirrup as the start was effected and failed to regain it throughout the race. After questioning, App. N. Bhosale stated that since he had kept his balance on his toes his left leg slipped out as soon as he jumped out. App. N. Bhosale has been cautioned for the future."

If youcan closely observe in slow motion , you can see that his left leg is free, not inthe stirrup, andhehad a tough time balacing by hugging  the horse with his left knee. He did well and the horse did well too because it is front runner .

Chase 

Sir, thank you for the information.

Point noted " While racing the jockey never sits on the saddle ,all his weight and balance are on his feet in the stirrups, holding the reins and balancing. The only time he sits on the saddle is when going to the starting gate and while jumping out from the box. "

Sir,  can you check the 03 Feb 2024 , race no.89 ( The HPSL Bhojpuri Cup )

UNTITLED , why was jockey trying to sit on the horse for few moments. Remaining all jockey's were keeping their hips in the air . Is there something to note in riding style of the jockey?  Why was this jockey riding differently compared to Remaining Jockeys in that race ?

Thank you

1. Just observe the jockey taking off the saddle and going to theweighing room. How easily he drapes the saddle on  just one arm and walks? The racing saddle is light weight made of synthetic material , no wood , no iron other than the stirrups. Just over 1kg at best. While racing the jockey never sits on the saddle ,all his weight and balance are on his feet in  the stirrups, holding the reins and balancing. The only time he sits on the saddle is when going to the starting gate and while jumping out from the box.

2. Steel shoes can weight from500 g each to upto 800 g depending upon the quality of the steel and the  size of the hoof. Aluminium shoes are lighter- not more than200 gs each. Just try walking with heavy boots. 

Chase

Sir , 

Few more questions , if possible please do answer

1. What is the basic weight of saddle without jockey and lead weight ?

2. What is the weight of steel shoes and aluminium shoes ? ( I have observed changed in shoes results improved performance)

Thank you so much for your guidance and knowledge.

Very nicely said " If you look for individual trees you will completely miss the forest " 

I am actually trying to understand individual trees' role in building a better forest ecosystem.

Trust me I am at learning stage, I need proper guidance . Probably experts like you can guide me. I mean I can google and learn, but then getting inputs from experts and then cross check with Google might help me .

Yes , I am disappointed with most of the people  for not letting others to learn . With years of experience if somebody still complains and quarrel with someone doing good because of jealousy, then it's time for that person to quit this profession. I am actually suprised that people think selections posted here will impact the odds "\(•~•)/". Like seriously !!!

This platform is for learning and discussing on racing related issues. But sadly people try to market themselves. I wonder how much loss they are in ?

I don't claim to be  or don't want to be the best tipster. My ultimate aim is to crack the Jackpot , Forecast , Tanala and Other combination with low budget. If I can't then there is no use of me to read all the races. And yes I can't be winner for all the races but probably combination may work . I am just trying my best to increase my success rate.

I wish to seek more guidance and knowledge from people like you in future.

Thank you so much.

@Thunderstrike: Asking some very good questions.

To ask such questions you must already have some fair knowledge in the matter.

I have a suspicion that you are just testing your own knowledge , without revealing it to others.

So be it. This is a dog eat dog world.

Racehorses carry weights as assigned by the handicapper. The handicapper allots the weights based on comparative rating. Ratings go up or down depending upon the performance of the horse. That means the form. But form is temporary. Class of the horse is permanant. The handicapper is guided mainly by the form of the horse. He is not overly concerned about the inherent class of the horse or its performance in distances unsuitable to it or by the ineptitude of the calibre of the rider. That is where the trainers' acumen in placement of the horses in races of different distances at different weights with different jockeys comes into play.

The horse carries the weight in different ways : the live weight and the dead weight.

A horse assigned a weight of 60 kgs if ridden by John or Srinath or Antonyraj , 56 kgs is contributed by the weight of the jockey, the live weight. The rest 4 kg is by the lead weight inserted into the saddle pouch - the dead weight.

Now suppose the same horse carries a 47 kg jockey. The dead weight will increase to 13 kgs. 

John or Srinath or Antonyraj are skillful riders. Their weight will not hamper the performance of the horse , rather their skills will contribute a lot. But the dead weight does not contribute anything other than dragging down the performance .

A 500 kg horse can easily carry 60 kgs compared to 390 kg horse. Specially if the horse runs in a class down - a class 4 horse running in class 5 for example. More particularly in sprints ranging from 1000 meters to 1400 meters. Longer distances ? Yes horse body weight and handicap weight may matter if the distances are longer.

Exceptions  like Juliet , a light weight mare , that can carry weights despite distance. She is a exception. That is one reason that she has endeared herself to one and all cutting across the  rivalries. For Juliet , age , weight and distances don't matter. She just loves to race,to compete and to show her mettle at every oppurtunity.

When looking at the weights , look at the weight of the horse, weight of the jockey , distance to be covered, the running styles of the horse , the skills of the jockey etc.

A lot of factors determin the performance. If you look for individual trees you will completely miss the forest.

@Thunderstrike. Question you r asking is  basically what handicaping is all about! 

Thundetstrile where are these gentlemen whose name you took 

Govindrajan is still their 

MISHTI does not knows difference between shoes n playes

No one sensible punter have ever looked into such things in bags n will never look only those who working  in administrative office knows. 

Tell me a horse winning @60 kgs in class 5 gets reduction of around 5kgs if promoted... Same way horse running at 51 kgs gets additional of around 9 kgs when demoted.... It's just common sense no rocket science... So what people will help you in this.... Brother horse racing no one master so don't try too hard otherwise you will be always loser... Almighty save you 

Change in weight + or - does not matter to the horse. It only matters to the horse connections psycology and make their decision accordingly.

Subject Basic weight for Horses in Madras, Ooty, Hyderabad, Bangalore, Mysore is 50kg for Handicap races Term 3years old penalty according to check prospects it will very each centre.for Tems Graded races rating will not be considered for this also check in prospects. Basic weight for Mumbai Pune, Kolkata, Delhi is 49 kg.rest is just add minus basic weight + remaining rating of the Horse for example for Rating of a horse is 28 in Mumbai at class 4 ,20  to 46  add 8 rating that is 4 kgs u will get 53 kg and check if the race is weight lovered by or weight raised.rest i will share next time.admin please post.thank you 

Nigel

I am sure Ravi Gowande and S K Sagar both will have knowledge on this.

Also we have Veteran Punter , Govindarajan, Godzilla, Misthi, Chase and many more with some knowledge about my query. 

Let's hope to get some knowledge from the experts.

Thunderstrike we are punters not official please share such things with official of your club centre n i feel only 2% will be able to give answer. 

And of weight increase or depressed as punter I can say Delhi is only centre where weight is not a factor else weight is most essential.