ASHOK sir,

Uncertainty is the only certainty in racing. Nothing is safe in this game. I'm75 years old. 48 years experience in this field. Better quite the game &relax.

Well said Mr Precisely, appreciate...an old and true story which was published in HT somewhere 13/14 yrs back....it goes like this...Hyderabad Trainer SK Kassam had taken a Jackpot ticket of rs 5...after the race he was sitting in an resturant with his friend and continue to look at his JP ticket in which all his first 3 leg of the jackpot are bankers and all 3 won at odds 8/1( like that)...4th leg he had 4 horses( all the 4 horses cames 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th) but the horse which won at the 4 the leg was his own horse @ 40/1( was not in his JP)...last leg he had 3 horse and all are on board...he lost the JP...

4 years ago, during Pune season I was playing snooker with a top class trainer. After the game we sat for a drink at The Turf Club. We were just having casual conversation since we know each other for almost 20+ years. The reason to give this background before sharing my opinion is that there was no reason for trainer to lie to me. 

We were just talking about betting in general, he said "See l as a trainer know my horse in and out. So I know when it is ready to win. But it doesn't mean it cannot loose at all. There are many uncertainties in racing which are beyond your control. So I always tell my owners when we are on try. But I say the horse should win. But they are also experienced enough to know that when I say should win, there is a micro chance of loosing as well in this "should". Because I don't know what other horses are going to do. What if my horse is fully prepared but gets a bad check and by the time it recovers the race is over and it loses by neck. This is just one thing I am saying there are several others". He said bet what you can afford to loose. 

So basically I would recommend if you are not a owner, a trainer or a multi billionaire don't bet in millions to make money in racing. Basically play the bet to enjoy it. Even if you loose you should not be stressed by it. You should be able to go home smiling. Play it for trill and excitement. People have lost everything they had in chasing money by gambling. Better invest those millions in gold or real estates. The returns would surely be better over a period of time than gambling. 

I have seen a lot of certainties loosing by Shd. Inspite of jockey and horse giving its best. But that day they were simply unlucky. I have even seen horses which were tried in place winning at longer odds and the owner, trainer and jockey being clueless about it. 

There was a incident I remember in Hyderabad. There was a horse running in last race. I don't recollect the name, since it's almost 6/7 years back. But the owner was a friend and he said it should place. So I played it in place at 4/1 in Mumbai. Win odds were 20/1 some even offered 25/1. The place also was at constant at 4/1 till the race flagged. At the 100 meters from finish there were 3 horses fighting and this horse was 3 lengths behind 4th. Since he was asked to try in place the jockey was trying hard to atleast pass one of them. In the last 50 meters the horse flew and won by a lenght. The 3 horses fighting were in close finish for the places. Now imagine even owner or trainer had no confidence that the horse can win. When the jockey returned for a winning photo, he also looked blank. His reply was I was trying to pass one of them who seemed tiring, but the horse responded so quickly that I had no option than to win. Or else I would have been suspended. That's understandable. 

This is racing dear. Nothing comes with certainty. 

@Ashok, your final analysis of the method of playing viz, only top Jockies,only top trainers etc is really not feasible. In most races you will have at least 2or 3 of these running in the same race ,so whom will you bet on?  Actually we as punters have absolutely no control on the running of the races or horses,we are only spectators, trying to understand the owners/trainers, jockey's understanding between themselves. They are definitely not winning or loosing for the stake money on offer,they make their monies from the punters purse!. Coincidentally we all have our good days and we feel we now know the method to read the races but we all know  the debacle after that. 

If it's any method,I think,and it's only my thinking,is that forget horses,play with mathematics! As everyone knows the average win percentage of favourites is 30% . So in a day it is about 2/3 favourites. You need to fix an amount of winning beforehand. Say it is 2k or 5k or more per day. You play as per that amount,either play or eat . Mostly in the first 3 races either a favorite wins or loses.(Avoid the big big days please). So accordingly invest as per your pre-planned winning amount that you aspire. Basically no need to study your brains out nor concerned with the horses.  

Again it's just what I have learnt during my 40 years of racing.Of course learnt the hard way after burning my fingers! Now 68 and not running after money.

But strictly after that stop for the day.

All these million stories il.never believe , no fool will wage one million either once or multiple times , like Godzilla said worry about your family and food instead of wasting money , 

Did anyone see my bets yesterday and if someone had to blindly follow me they would have made trillions enough to buy  a big mansion 

I gave as follows 

1)goldiva(1) for win and silver braid (3)as threath , we'll goldiva came 2nd and silver braid out.

2)espernza (4) for win , quicker (1) and opus dei (5) either win or place,  but esperanza(4) won 

3) I said  a fight between suoestar(4) and golden dAanxer (7) well it was a fight between them 

4) Ardakan (4) I gave for win and Ataash (4) 100% place,  well both came 1st and 2nd 

5) I gave Elgicro (5) and dream alliance (4) for win and evaldo (3) can be joker , well 5 did not run but dream alliance won 

6) I gave Chelesa (5) each way 

7) I gave Preciso (6) s my days best and coin empress (4) as place 

Now if I had to play the jackpot I would have easily got it , but I attended a function  , but earlier I sat , made my selections and posted 

So like I said you don't need millions to bet , all you need is strategy and analysis to make your final choice, a little wage on a selected bet say one bet each race and definitely you will. profit , however last moment I requested my friend to back Chelsa at both ways and roll the money on last race 6 ,, now lease don't ask me how much I betted .

@ASHOK D C,

If you are following top jockeys please set the best order of jockeys. Here according to you and your order is SURAJ, TREVOR,SANDESH, AKSHAY, NEERAJ, VIVEK @ ANTONY. Next select the race with not more than mounts of above stated 3 top jockeys. Now out of 3 jockeys avoid the jockey with lowest or odds on favorite reason he has motivation to ride such low odds and one or two other jockeys. You might fail one or two time  then there will be good success. Good Luck to you. 

I'm really sorry to hear that you lost such a significant amount in one race. I suggest you limit your risk by taking just 10% of your loss, which is ?1 lakh, and play five races with ?20,000 each. Aim to win at least three of those races. This way, you’ll understand the effort needed to recover ?10 lakhs and learn to avoid making the mistake of investing such a large sum in a single race again.

Regarding your analysis, here's a suggestion: always prioritize the horse’s strength, and then consider factors such as the trainer, owner, and jockey. This approach has helped me avoid significant losses. I know you shouldn’t have made this mistake, but it's done now. Focus on repairing your losses; it may take some time, but this experience will teach you what to avoid in horse racing.

Additionally, remember that your ?1 lakh investment should yield a profit by winning at least three out of five races. If you lose two attempts, that will result in an additional loss of ?2 lakhs. At that point, you should seriously consider your next steps. Avoid making large investments to cover your losses; instead, start small.

@pure handicapping 

One suggestion for you, brother you're genuinely a good analyst, and your race selections are often spot on. But when you're already doing a great job, why complicate things by pushing too hard?

Take the recent example of Flamingo Dream. You backed it strongly and even urged people to arrange funds and bet on it. Imagine if someone had come forward after the race and said, “I lost 1 million because I trusted that analysis.” How would you have felt then?

Thankfully, nothing serious happened  maybe God saved you and your reputation. But if it had gone wrong, someone with a conscience would carry that guilt for a lifetime, knowing others lost everything because of their confidence.

So, this is just a sincere suggestion for your own good don’t encourage people to bet beyond their limits or with money they can’t afford to lose. It’s not about Flamingo Dream winning or losing. Even if the horse had at least placed, it would have softened the blow.

But when a strongly recommended horse runs off the board, and people have followed it blindly, it creates problems  not just for them, but for you too.

Again, no hate here —just speaking from the heart and wishing the best for you.

I have laid out the following rules for myself --

1)In a race card  play only 2/3 races.

2) Never play Class 5,Class 4, 1000 metre races.

3)If a 3 year old runs for the first time in a class race it will not win unless or until it is a superior horse.

4) In a race day   select 3 year olds races for placing bets. Mostly 3 year old races are run honestly.

5) Racing is unpredictable.Never ever play huge bets.

Mr. Chowdhury,

In one earlier post you have claimed having been in racing for 40 yrs. If for 40 yrs you are betting on this scale, my congratulation to you for lasting so long. Also, considering your experience, I am not able to understand why need guidance of Horsetalkers most of them being small time punters and amateurs like me.

Friends,

I have never asked for a tip from you.... though I understand and believe that some of you are really genius and can be ranked as a "GENIUS SPECULATOR"..... 

The only thing I beg from you is that you take part (theoretical) in a GAME.... And SPECULATE a horse as of you are betting a million.... with some conditions imposed by me.....

It's a GAME where WE (You and me both) will be enriched .... First of all we will understand the value of money... And the fear for IT.... You can bet on... WIN... PLACE... FORECAST....TANALA....SHP...etc.... an amount of money .... Which at the time of betting will seems to you as an amount which will not effect your life even if you loose.... But that's absolutely WRONG..... In the long run these small amount of money will ruin you.... will ruin your family.... (Even if you are very cautious).... Because that's human propensity..... If you are really out of that LAW.... Then you don't require horse racing to make you filthy RICH.... You will excel everywhere.....

Now about me....(Sorry for beating my own my own drums) I am 62 right now .... Being a consultant (MBA from JONKA) ... I carry a descent life.... And moreover I belong to that ELITE club of (.01 percent all over the world ) who are a WINNER .... (After more than 30 years in horse racing speculation)...

Now the reason for starting this GAME is to get a benefit to enrich our self..... Even if we bet a small amount but treat that small amount as equal to a MILLION.... Then we surely understand the value of money and the way we speculate.... Giving a winner in every race ..... A 50/1 longshot as a SURE PLACE prospect.... And say " BET and stand in the Q".... Bet any amount.....etc...

If we treat our BET as a MILLION..... Then we will respect our BET.... We will have a fear factor for our BET..... and we will take utmost CARE before we BET..... We will raise the BAR(parameters) of our reasoning for the said BET..... 

So let us open a forum .... BET A MILLION....

.....and try to be honest ....try to respect our BET..... give value to our money.....do not take a CHANCE ( in speculation.... It is always taking a chance .... Nothing is certain.... but what I want to say is that .... the chance should not be jumping into a conclusion rather it will backed by a strong reasoning.....)

Now it's all upto you.....

Play superstar to recover your loss.

Good Luck.

@ ashok..here are 3 bets you can split your 10 lakhs on

Esconido

Arkadian & 

Golden dancer

U play today pune

1st race 6pls 1petti

3d race 8eachway 1petti

6th race 2pls 1petti

Enjoy the race

Betting on place is the most foolish thing ordinary punter can do.Istrongly believe place betting is only for trainer or owners.There is no logic by which one can spot place.

Bro,

If you cant judge yourself dont be depended on others and risk your money on others ideology. Sooner defenitly you will be penniless. Try to understand and be patient learn and learn you will get success. Gaining in racing you need so much discipline and patience. All the best try to play yourself .

My sincere advice is don't waste your hard earned money, if you get free money or if you are minting money or if you are a richest person in the world, then only you have to play million in racing, which is not a certain one

If you play Pune go with pune merit horses don't go with Bombay performance. Yesterday mostly horses focused on Bombay records but results is very confused. Today My Example 

6 - 13 STAR IMPACT

Ashok

Racing you win some lose some 

Patience is key to success 

Horse selection is immaterial if you don't understand odds movement at the time of race.

It's game of odds 

Odds translates into money 

Nothing else matters 

Best horse lose at short odds

Donkey horse wins at longer odds in same race

Gambling never supposed to be sureshot money making business. 

Money management is more important than handicapping because everyone entering race course are good at handicapping. 

If all of them makes money then bookmaker will go bankrupt daily. 

Manish jain on Facebook is best tipster charging nominal 550 per month. 

I am his member since 2020.

Profitable is keyword in this business.  Thanks. 

Hello Mr. Chowdhury,

There is nothing wrong to invest a million on tge horse which you have been following up for for a long time and considering track work , jockey, pedigree, connections, distance etc...all in favour..

But you need to ensure that you had won atleast 5 million from the horse race earlier so that if this 1 million  goes away, you would not regret to that extent..

So plz create your wealth first from horse race and invest that amount into racing rather from your hard earned Black money..

Sir play atleast 10 millions on Esperanza today, and use all profit on El Greco in next race 

Nan272

I have played million 3 times in my life  won on Majestic once at 4.50/1  on another's occassion 7 peti on Bullgun i@9/1 Pune derby in 2016 and once 1 million at Mysore race( I don't remember that horse)

I played Sargent at arms 50/100 ,    1million at Mysore which I lost..

Advice.: Nothing is guaranteed in racing. Slow iat the start. Getting stuck at gates,jockey loosing whip,shd loss, disqualified jockey owner trainer adjustments  etc etc are always there .

There is some Paradox will make you loose. You will get only what is written in your fate. 

Never ever think you can recover what you have lost in racing. It's never ,never never possible.

Stop betting milloons even if owner ,trainer or jockey himself advices. Even they don't know if they can win on that day.

You will over come this loss. Don't think of it toooo much.

Mr. Chowdary,

Every one has his or her own reasons for doing anything. None else can question, criticize or comment on it. But people , even wise ones wag their tongue generally to say that they are better . 

This being a general observation, let me address the main content of your post.

My advise would be just start going through the card from the first race to the last.  At one point your brain picks up a winner on it's own. Why or how we don't know, but it does. This is called intuition and 100% it always serves you well. 

This is my experience in a life of 76 years as of now and into racing from 1969-70. Bear with me as I quote my first day experience. In those days the President of rusted to come to Hyderabad Race Course to present the Cup named after him. It being a 2400 meters race , it starts right in front of us . So I opted to go to the course on that day. I didn't know abcds of racing then, ( do I know it now would be a valid question) . I purchased a Origionsl Vel book for Rs. 3/- ( today it is 30/). Sat in the garden cafe of Paradise hotel , Secunderabad along with two friends who are as equal duds as me. Saw the runners for the Cup, and don't mknow why but declared to my friends that I will bet a Rs.109) on Horse number 8, ned BLUE MAX. Believe me I don't know anything about weight ,class , ,Owner, Trainer, Jockey etc. Went to the course and saw in this bookies ring that many a people were betting on a favorite, don't remember it's name , that too big amounts, and thought that it would be stupid and foolish of me to back Blue Max and went with the public choice. The race started and Blue Max won in a start to finish run at an odds of 8/1. There were many such occasions after that where r failed in not following my intuition and list money. 

So dear Sir, try this a few times , follow your intuition, and that may prove beneficial to you. Even if it doesn't you can only blame yourself, and not curse anyone else.

What says you Sir. Good luck, God bless.

First of all I wil never have the illusion that favourite will not try at cramped odds.....  If the win is at 12 to 1 the place must be 2.5 to 3 odds not 1.80 or less than 2, if it's so then bookie is playing with your mind and logic and reason.

I always think about that race only, i never think that jockey won last race and this race he will lose ..... 

VB races are junk and million is not worth to wage even on a top jockey or trainer. 

I really feel sorry for you but you have no one to blame other than yourself.  However, if you have a few more millions to invest, then this million can be recovered in no time. Or this is what all of us have been doing in racing for long years now. Chasing the money that we lost ! 

I had also lost heavily over the last 30 years or so but during the last Mumbai season I made chunks of money and totally changed my strategy. What I do since the starting of this Pune season (I play only Mumbai and Pune races) is that I play one selected day and give a break for thr next 15 to 20 days, no matter whether you make or lose money.

On the day I came up with a head post here on Pune races when 'Mirae' came second on the opening day (which I predicted strongly in my post here), I made 27k+. Now I will be attending Pune races only on August 15 & 16 and only with this profit as investment for two days. That way I enjoy racing thoroughly. If I make further profits, the winning amount alone will be my future investment. Suppose if I lose, I will again start with a new investment of up to 50k. However, I make sure winning or losing is very much under control and no millions in mind...just a few thousands.

You may also kindly try this kind of an 'intermittent' pu ting which will keep you cool. Maybe, in one year's time you will be able to recover your million loss with an investment of just one lakh rupees.

It's Better u Plz don't BET.

Chowdry

Your days of becoming bankrupt is not far off. Do you know the value of money ? When you have a million why do you want more, as after all you are going to have two square meals a day !!??

If you want to bet a million on place Esconido in the 1st race is the horse. The horse will get atleast 75 paise in place. It has not gone beyond 1600m and it's dam has not won beyond 1200m so I think there is every probability the odds will be good, I am playing win for thos horse, but not a.million rupees though.

Playing million is not thing here brother...

Winning and losing is part of game...wen we won it give confidence and if lose it  ..mind start  questions on wat is mistakes on bet ... because betting millon is not easy job only person know dat y he is doing dat....

After losing everybody talks about our betting style is bad u don't knw do bet like this dat etc.....

One word I can share in my 10years experience in this field don't ever play the horse in next run wch has lost in hands of top jockey.....it's runing in down class or anything easy cing in card it will win or place....don't ever try this ...it will 101per result in racing....

Play wat is anything to u good is win or lose u will learn In your own way...don't ask anyone anything in racing....just learning daily in this field it's not one day game.....daily new challenge with same horse same trainer same jockey but game different think twice before u do ....

Play one bet a day 101per u will live long with success 

Sorry 

We or only 1k.  To 10k 

Punters Sorry 

Kind Attn: Ahok Deb Choudary

I'm not sure why, but your post brings to mind something my moral science teacher once said: a fool and his money are soon separated. Please don't misunderstand me, but I want to share something I've learned from my long experience in racing—what you're asking for is nothing short of asking for the moon.